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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 6th, 2020, 11:58 pm
by lemon41625
There seems to be a difference in behaviour of this

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#C [[ RANDOMIZE ]]
x = 0, y = 0, rule = B0123/S9L
o!
and this

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#C [[ RANDOMIZE ]]
x = 0, y = 0, rule = R1,C2,S9,B0-3,NL:T100
o!
Also can B0 HROT be supported on an unbounded grid (or at least rendered in a way that stops the background from strobing)?

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 7th, 2020, 2:34 am
by rowett
lemon41625 wrote: September 6th, 2020, 11:58 pm There seems to be a difference in behaviour of this...
Fixed, thanks for reporting!
lemon41625 wrote: September 6th, 2020, 11:58 pm Also can B0 HROT be supported on an unbounded grid (or at least rendered in a way that stops the background from strobing)?
I'll take a look.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 7th, 2020, 8:19 am
by bprentice
What is the correct URL for this important list of rule definitions?

https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Special:All ... space=3794

Is the list considered part of Pattern Viewer or part of LifeWiki? If it is considered part of LifeWiki, how do you get to it from here?

https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Main_Page

Why doesn't Golly use the list of rule definitions?

I tried to get the rule table for the following rule in order to run it in Golly yesterday.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4699#p103544

I was successful, but it was challenging and confusing. It would be useful if the Pattern Viewer Help described the rule definition list and how to use it.

Brian Prentice

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 11th, 2020, 9:48 pm
by MikeP
Sorry - I'll admit I've been lazy and haven't read all 69 pages of this thread.

1- Is the LifeViewer documentation available somewhere online, rather than scrolling through it all inside the application itself?

2- How can I make a really tiny one for looking at localised regions of a pattern? I tried to post this but I'd like to strip out all the controls and make it even smaller so it doesn't visually dominate the post.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 11th, 2020, 10:28 pm
by dvgrn
MikeP wrote: September 11th, 2020, 9:48 pm1- Is the LifeViewer documentation available somewhere online, rather than scrolling through it all inside the application itself?
Maybe it's a good idea to put a version of those scrollable Help files in the LifeWiki LifeViewer article.
2- How can I make a really tiny one for looking at localised regions of a pattern? I tried to post this but I'd like to strip out all the controls and make it even smaller so it doesn't visually dominate the post.
There's a convenient THUMBNAIL command that helps quite a bit:

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#CXRLE Pos=-14,-8 Gen=7
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 3 HEIGHT 240 ZOOM 16 ]]
x = 5, y = 3, rule = LifeHistory
A.A.A$2A.2A$.3D!

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 12th, 2020, 1:19 am
by bubblegum
Another suggestion: how about TRICELLS for switching triangular rule displays?
(or you could just repurpose HEXCELLS)

and remember the / hotkey (which on my keyboard is actually an é but you didn't need to know that)

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 12th, 2020, 4:11 am
by rowett
dvgrn wrote: September 11th, 2020, 10:28 pm
MikeP wrote: September 11th, 2020, 9:48 pm1- Is the LifeViewer documentation available somewhere online, rather than scrolling through it all inside the application itself?
Maybe it's a good idea to put a version of those scrollable Help files in the LifeWiki LifeViewer article.
You can copy the Help information from LifeViewer to the clipboard with Ctrl-C (Command-C on Mac) while on each Help page.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 12th, 2020, 8:28 pm
by Andrew
rowett wrote: September 12th, 2020, 4:11 am You can copy the Help information from LifeViewer to the clipboard with Ctrl-C (Command-C on Mac) while on each Help page.
Command-C on Mac seems to just cycle through themes (tested with Safari and Chrome on Catalina).
Ctrl-C works ok.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 12th, 2020, 9:52 pm
by dvgrn
I've put a version of LifeViewer help into the LifeWiki LifeViewer article. It could definitely use some more formatting work, and maybe it would be better as a separate article, but at least it's a start.

Hopefully this is a good idea and not just another separate thing that will have to be maintained...!

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 15th, 2020, 9:31 pm
by bubblegum

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 16th, 2020, 1:07 am
by Hunting
dvgrn wrote: September 12th, 2020, 9:52 pm I've put a version of LifeViewer help into the LifeWiki LifeViewer article. It could definitely use some more formatting work, and maybe it would be better as a separate article, but at least it's a start.

Hopefully this is a good idea and not just another separate thing that will have to be maintained...!
Ah, no! Now the LV article is insanely long! Moving that to Help:LifeViewer should be better, though, and instead of a simple table, it should contain more proper words and detailed explanations.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 16th, 2020, 3:01 am
by rowett

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 20th, 2020, 2:45 pm
by creeperman7002
Pasting in some rules causes LifeViewer to freeze:

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x = 1, y = 1, rule = SandpileMoore
P!


[[ TRACK 1/3 0 PASTEMODE 7 PASTEDELTA 1 0 PASTET EVERY 3 0 8192 PASTE P! ]]

@RULE SandpileMoore

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n_states:18
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute
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var d={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}
var e={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}
var f={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}
var g={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}
var h={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var i={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var j={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var k={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var l={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var m={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var n={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var o={9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17}
var p={1,9}
var q={2,10}
var r={3,11}
var s={4,12}
var t={5,13}
var u={6,14}
var v={7,15}
var w={8,16}
var x={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8}

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0,a,b,c,h,i,j,k,l,6
0,a,b,h,i,j,k,l,m,7
0,a,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,8
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q,a,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,9
2,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,10
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
by rowett
creeperman7002 wrote: September 20th, 2020, 2:45 pm Pasting in some rules causes LifeViewer to freeze
It's because:
  • the rule specified only has 18 states (0 to 17)
  • you're using PASTEMODE 7 (which is OR)
  • and you're pasting state 16 over state 2 and (16 OR 2) = 18
State 18 is illegal so LifeViewer gets upset at that point.

I'll have LifeViewer ignore illegal pastes in future but you need to fix your script.

Thanks for reporting!

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 25th, 2020, 12:59 pm
by praosylen
On Chrome on Mac, I'm newly (today) getting a bug, which seems to be exclusive to INT rules (but happens both for history and non-history rules), where trying to draw using any state results exclusively in drawing with state 0, which makes LifeViewer's pattern editing capabilities largely unusable for these rules.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 25th, 2020, 2:26 pm
by goldenratio
REDACTED

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 25th, 2020, 3:33 pm
by rowett
A for awesome wrote: September 25th, 2020, 12:59 pm On Chrome on Mac, I'm newly (today) getting a bug, which seems to be exclusive to INT rules (but happens both for history and non-history rules), where trying to draw using any state results exclusively in drawing with state 0, which makes LifeViewer's pattern editing capabilities largely unusable for these rules.
Fixed, thanks for reporting!

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 12:41 pm
by bubblegum
Multistate rules now draw with 1 if the selected state is not 0, and smart drawing is effectively off.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 1:58 pm
by rowett
bubblegum wrote: September 26th, 2020, 12:41 pm Multistate rules now draw with 1 if the selected state is not 0, and smart drawing is effectively off.
Please post a pattern that reproduces that behaviour.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 2:53 pm
by bubblegum
rowett wrote: September 26th, 2020, 1:58 pm
bubblegum wrote: September 26th, 2020, 12:41 pm Multistate rules now draw with 1 if the selected state is not 0, and smart drawing is effectively off.
Please post a pattern that reproduces that behaviour.

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#C [[ PASTET 1 PASTE E! 0 1 ]]
x = 3, y = 1, rule = LifeHistory
3A!

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#C [[ PASTET 1 PASTE B! 0 1 ]]
x = 3, y = 1, rule = DeadlyEnemies
3A!

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 3:13 pm
by rowett
Should be fixed now. Please hard refresh your browser and try again.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm
by bubblegum
I have another alias:

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loopy - MAPACD/JSDI//8AAL+/AAB//wAA/f+AgP//AAB//xCA//8IAP//AAD//wAA//8AAH//AAL//wCA//8AAvv7AAL//w
EDIT: Also, for whatever reason, LV thinks the multistate rule Gnats is HROT.

EDIT2: And the slider which controls the fill amount of the random fill, 100% is not at the end of the bar and it's possible, if you slide it slowly, to set it to 101%

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: October 7th, 2020, 3:58 pm
by rowett
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm I have another alias:
Thanks
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm LV thinks the multistate rule Gnats is HROT.
Because there is a Weighted rule alias called Gnats. See Help->Aliases->Weighted
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm And the slider which controls the fill amount of the random fill, 100% is not at the end of the bar and it's possible, if you slide it slowly, to set it to 101%
I can't reproduce this. Which device are you using?

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: October 7th, 2020, 5:15 pm
by bubblegum
rowett wrote: October 7th, 2020, 3:58 pm
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm LV thinks the multistate rule Gnats is HROT.
Because there is a Weighted rule alias called Gnats. See Help->Aliases->Weighted
Right, that.
rowett wrote: October 7th, 2020, 3:58 pm
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm And the slider which controls the fill amount of the random fill, 100% is not at the end of the bar and it's possible, if you slide it slowly, to set it to 101%
I can't reproduce this. Which device are you using?
Chrome on Windows 10. I think it's something with JavaScript although I'm not sure how it could mess up that oddly. Don't think it happens on Firefox.

Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Posted: October 8th, 2020, 2:38 am
by rowett
bubblegum wrote: October 7th, 2020, 1:09 pm And the slider which controls the fill amount of the random fill, 100% is not at the end of the bar and it's possible, if you slide it slowly, to set it to 101%
Please will you post a screenshot of both the slider at 100% but not at the end of the bar, and also the 101%.