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Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 2:57 pm**

PK22 wrote: June 18th, 2025, 2:52 pm I tested, and you cannot insert a big blinker in front using backrakes, but I have yet to try inserting it behind or using forerakes.
Also, T + big blinker > 3 Ts + blinker:
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x = 13, y = 3, rule = B3/S23-a5
2o$3o6b4o$2o!

It's fuse-delayable:

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x = 88, y = 3, rule = B3/S23-a5
2o$3o6b4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4ob4o$2o!

Edit: Table-on-table.

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x = 46, y = 3, rule = B3/S23-a5History
.A15.A12.A14.A$2A14.2A10.2A13.2A$.A15.A12.A14.A!

Also, did you use T or glider rakes?

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 3:03 pm**

I simply tested if any of the 2 glider collisions had enough clearance, and they did not. A T rake might work.

However, I found a much more suitable reaction:

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x = 38, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
2o25bo9bo$3o23b2o9bo$2o25bo9bo2$2o25bo9bo$3o23b2o9bo$2o25bo9bo!

A pair of Ts can phase shift a pair of blinkers while pulling it. If we use two pairs and generate them using glider rakes, then we have a growing spaceship.

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 3:14 pm**

PK22 wrote: June 18th, 2025, 3:03 pm I simply tested if any of the 2 glider collisions had enough clearance, and they did not. A T rake might work.

However, I found a much more suitable reaction:
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x = 38, y = 7, rule = B3/S23-a5
2o25bo9bo$3o23b2o9bo$2o25bo9bo2$2o25bo9bo$3o23b2o9bo$2o25bo9bo!
A pair of Ts can phase shift a pair of blinkers while pulling it. If we use two pairs and generate them using glider rakes, then we have a growing spaceship.

The reaction would need at least 3 gliders.
Edit: Blinker-shifter

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x = 56, y = 52, rule = B3/S23-a5
bo$2bo$3o26$27bobo$28b2o$28bo21$53b3o!

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 4:14 pm**

Ok, here are three reactions, all of which could be used to build different growing spaceships:
1). Backrake big blinker insertion:

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x = 42, y = 42, rule = B3/S23-a5
2bo$obo$b2o20$29bo$30b2o$29b2o2$39bo$39bobo$39b2o10$37bo$37bo$37bo$37b
o!

2). A way of creating a T pair 4 lanes apart:

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x = 25, y = 13, rule = B3/S23-a5
10bo3bo$9bobobobo$8bo2bobo2bo$9b2o3b2o3$3o19b3o$2bo19bo$bo21bo2$10bo3b
o$10bo3bo$10bo3bo!

3). A splitting reaction - a T pair colliding with a blinker pair produces 2 identical T pairs:

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x = 77, y = 21, rule = B3/S23-a5
6bo3bo21bo3bo21bo3bo$6bo3bo11b3o7bo3bo11b3o7bo3bo11b3o$6bo3bo21bo3bo
21bo3bo3$22b3o23b3o23b3o7$2o$3o$2o7b3o23b3o23b3o3$19bo3bo21bo3bo21bo3b
o$2o7b3o7bo3bo11b3o7bo3bo11b3o7bo3bo$3o16bo3bo21bo3bo21bo3bo$2o!

Of course, pattern 3 would make a growing rake, rather than a spaceship, but the engine feels more interesting, and it means that we can adjust the speed of the backend by moving the blinker puffers apart.

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 10:16 pm**

PK22, have you made any progress on new spaceship speeds? If not, it's fine, but if you have found a new spaceship speed that would be awesome. Also, for a spaceship to count for goal 3, it doesn't need to be c/8 or slower, it needs to be slower than c/7, and I will change the goals to make this more clear. For count diagonally, the speed would need to be slower than c/7 times the square root of two, 1.41, 7*1.41=9.87, so c/10d DOES count. Lastly, if you cannot find any spaceships, you could try c/7d, which is a simple period that hasn't been attempted yet.
EDIT:
mods, can u please post on this thread? It would be AWESOME if a mod posted on the rule I made.

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 10:19 pm**

After a lot of trimming down in rlifesrc, here is a minpop 169 c/3d:

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x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23-a5
$25bo$24b4o$20bob2o2bob3o$19b3obo3bo$17b2o2bo5bo2bo$16bo2b3obobo4bo$15b
o4b3ob2o3bob2o$14bo2b3o5bobo2bo$13bo2bo2b3o4bo4bo2bo$12bo2bo3bobob3ob
o5b2o$11bo2bo$10bo2bo2bo6bobo$9bo2bo2bo6b2obo$8bo2bo9b2o2b4o$8bo2bo11b
o2bobo$7bobob3o13b3o$6b2ob2obo16b3o$7b4ob2o3bo$6bo3bo5b2o11bo$6b2obo3b
ob2obo$5bo4bo2bo$4b2o3b3obob3o$5b2o5bo4b2o$5bob2o2bobo3bobo$6bo10b3o$
6bo3bo8b2obo$6bob2obo8bo$10bobo7bo$10bo$13bo$12b2o!

Posted: **June 18th, 2025, 10:27 pm**

LuveelVoom wrote: June 18th, 2025, 10:19 pm After a lot of trimming down in rlifesrc, here is a minpop 169 c/3d:

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x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23-a5
$25bo$24b4o$20bob2o2bob3o$19b3obo3bo$17b2o2bo5bo2bo$16bo2b3obobo4bo$15b
o4b3ob2o3bob2o$14bo2b3o5bobo2bo$13bo2bo2b3o4bo4bo2bo$12bo2bo3bobob3ob
o5b2o$11bo2bo$10bo2bo2bo6bobo$9bo2bo2bo6b2obo$8bo2bo9b2o2b4o$8bo2bo11b
o2bobo$7bobob3o13b3o$6b2ob2obo16b3o$7b4ob2o3bo$6bo3bo5b2o11bo$6b2obo3b
ob2obo$5bo4bo2bo$4b2o3b3obob3o$5b2o5bo4b2o$5bob2o2bobo3bobo$6bo10b3o$
6bo3bo8b2obo$6bob2obo8bo$10bobo7bo$10bo$13bo$12b2o!

This rule clearly has a different maximum spaceship speed. This is probably because of the existence of s5a. We have s5i as well, does that mean we could make a 2c/3o or 3c/5o spaceship?

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 12:24 am**

ThePlayzr wrote: June 18th, 2025, 10:27 pm This rule clearly has a different maximum spaceship speed. This is probably because of the existence of s5a. We have s5i as well, does that mean we could make a 2c/3o or 3c/5o spaceship?

No, but 2c/7d and (2,1)c/5 are possible. I'm doing a llsss-recentering-wao search for (2,1)c/5 at mid-steps 17 autochoke 16 billion bytes right now, and it seems to be providing viable partials.

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 1:39 am**

ThePlayzr wrote: June 18th, 2025, 10:16 pm PK22, have you made any progress on new spaceship speeds? If not, it's fine, but if you have found a new spaceship speed that would be awesome.

No new progress on spaceships unfortunately, but I will start trying 2c/7d and (2,1)c/5 with ikpx2.

I think I will try and find elbow operations using a Python script, but what should the elbow be? Boat, loaf, blinker, or big blinker?

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 1:52 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 1:39 am I think I will try and find elbow operations using a Python script, but what should the elbow be? Boat, loaf, blinker, or big blinker?

Whats an elbow?

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 2:08 am**

A construction elbow is a target that we can perform operations on by hitting it with spaceships. Here, these operations will probably need to be pulling, pushing, duplicating a block, or releasing a spaceship at an angle.

In terms of the actual method of manipulating the elbow, I will first try p8 single channel T streams, and if that fails, I will find small salvos of Ts that we can use for operations, but that will mean a larger construction arm and a need for T duplicators.

I would appreciate if someone could do research into 1G or 1T seeds, since our constructor needs to be able to produce them.

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 2:09 am**

mmmmmmmmm wrote: June 19th, 2025, 1:52 am
PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 1:39 am I think I will try and find elbow operations using a Python script, but what should the elbow be? Boat, loaf, blinker, or big blinker?
Whats an elbow?

An elbow, in this case, seems to refer to a construction elbow, a still life that would been bombarded by spaceships to either move it or create objects (and keeping it at the same lane).

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 2:51 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 1:39 am
I think I will try and find elbow operations using a Python script, but what should the elbow be? Boat, loaf, blinker, or big blinker?

Which script?

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 2:58 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 2:08 am I would appreciate if someone could do research into 1G or 1T seeds, since our constructor needs to be able to produce them.

Me and ThePlayzr will do some research into this.

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 3:01 am**

Resu wrote: June 19th, 2025, 2:51 am
PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 1:39 am
I think I will try and find elbow operations using a Python script, but what should the elbow be? Boat, loaf, blinker, or big blinker?
Which script?

I will write a script myself to randomly make a T stream with gaps of 8n + 32.
No script for finding operations with arbitrary rules, spaceships, elbows, and conditions currently exists, but if there was one, then it would make alien universal construction far easier across many rules.

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 3:27 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 2:08 am I would appreciate if someone could do research into 1G or 1T seeds, since our constructor needs to be able to produce them.

What kind of 1G and 1T seeds do you want? What do you want them to produce?
Also, Resu, can you add the c/3d spaceship to the collection?

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 10:37 am**

ThePlayzr wrote: June 19th, 2025, 3:27 am What kind of 1G and 1T seeds do you want? What do you want them to produce?

I mean seed technology in general - splitters, OTTs, and lane shifters. Try colliding spaceships with pairs of Spartan objects and seeing what works.
As practice, try to find a seed for the common p8 - there will be syntheses on Catagolue in the 5Glider_stdin census, such as this one:

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x = 28, y = 30, rule = B3/S23-a5
5$16bobo$16b2o$17bo3$18bo$17bo$17b3o3bobo$23b2o$24bo13$15bo$14b2o$14b
obo!

I will write the script now. We will, of course, need technology such as duplicators, but we can cross that bridge when we get to actually building a constructor.
EDIT: Here are 2 (2,1)c/5 partials:

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x = 128, y = 76, rule = B3/S23-a5
84bobo$82b2obo$83bo2b2o$81bobo2bobo2bo$80b2obo2b5ob2o$81b2o3bo4b2o$81b
o7b2obo$84b2o3b2o$81b2o5b3obo$82bo3b4o$82bo5bo4bo$83b2o2bobo$82bo5bob
2obo$82bob6o3bo$4bobo75b2ob2ob3o2bo$2b2obo78bo4bobobob2o$3bo2b2o78bo3b
2o2bobo$bobo2bobo2bo75bo3b3ob3o$2obo2b5ob2o70bo3b2obobo4b2o$b2o3bo4b2o
73b4o3b2o4b3o$bo7b2obo74bo5b2o2b5o$4b2o3b2o77b2o3bo2bobo$b2o5b3obo76bo
bo4b5o2b3o$2bo3b4o79b2ob6obo4bo$2bo5bo4bo78bo2b2o6bobo$3b2o2bobo82b2o
6b2o$2bo5bob2obo79b3obob4o$2bob6o3bo80b2ob4o2bob2o$2b2ob2ob3o2bo80b2ob
o4b2o2b2o$4bo4bobobob2o84b7o$6bo3b2o2bobo82b2obobo3bo$7bo3b3ob3o81bo2b
o7bo$4bo3b2obobo4b2o79bo3b3o2bobo$6b4o3b2o4b3o80b2o2b2o$7bo5b2o2b5o77b
2obo$8b2o3bo2bobo79bo2bo4b3o$9bobo4b5o2b3o73b2ob3o2b3o$9b2ob6obo4bo74b
obobob2obo$12bo2b2o6bobo75bob3o2bobo$12b2o6b2o76b2o2bo3bob3o$13b3obob
4o77b2o2b2o5b2o$14b2ob4o2bob2o72b2o2bob8o$14b2obo4b2o2b2o71b7o7bo$21b
7o71bo4bobo2bobob4o$19b2obobo3bo71bo4bo5b4o$19bo2bo7bo78bob2o4b2o$19bo
3b3o2bobo73bob2obobo3bo$22b2o2b2o80bo2bo2bo$19b2obo85bo3b2obob2obo$18b
o2bo4b3o79bobo8bo$19b2ob3o2b3o78bo2bobobobo2b2o$19bobobob2obo79bob2o2b
o$21bob3o2bobo83bobobob2obo$18b2o2bo3bob3o81bobo6bo2bo$20b2o2b2o5b2o
78b2ob2obo4bobo$19b2o2bob8o80bo5b2o2bo$19b7o7bo80bo2b2ob2o3bo$19bo4bob
o2b2obo79b2o7bob4o$20bo4bo5bo80b4o2b2obob2o2bo$28b2ob7o75b3obo7b2o$25b
2o4bob3o80bo6b2o$27b3o2bob2obobo75b2ob3obo$26b2o3bo4bo78bo3b2o$28b2o3b
ob3o2bo77bo$28b3o4b2obo2bo72b3o$30bo2b2obobo2bobo70bo$29b5o3b2o3b4o$
30b2obobobo3bob3o$30bo2bo5bobobobo$33bob3o2bo2b2o2bo$36bo3bo5bo$33bob
2ob3ob2o$38bob3o$34bo2b2o$34b2obo$34bo!

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 11:23 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 10:37 am
ThePlayzr wrote: June 19th, 2025, 3:27 am What kind of 1G and 1T seeds do you want? What do you want them to produce?
I mean seed technology in general - splitters, OTTs, and lane shifters. Try colliding spaceships with pairs of Spartan objects and seeing what works.
As practice, try to find a seed for the common p8 - there will be syntheses on Catagolue in the 5Glider_stdin census, such as this one:

OTTs: (more will be added)

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x = 17, y = 15, rule = B3/S23-a5
bo$obo$obo$bo9$15bo$14b2o$14bobo!

Weird 1T seed for p2:

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x = 20, y = 8, rule = B3/S23-a5
18bo$18b2o$18bo2$2bo8bo$bobo6bobo$o2bo5bo2bo$b2o7b2o!

Edit: Sparking a boat turns it into a T:

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23-a5History
B2A2B$ABA2B$BA2BA$4BA!

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 12:24 pm**

(2,1)c/5:

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x = 42, y = 88, rule = B3/S23-a5
3b3o$2b2obobo$3bob3o$2ob3o4b3o$o2bob6o2bo$6bo4bo$b2o2bo6bo$b2o7bo$b3o
b2obo2bo$2b2o4b3o$2bo3bobo$2b2o3bob2obo$2bo5bobobo$b2obo2b2o2bob2o$2b
o2bo2b2o3bo$3b3obo3bobo$4b2o2b3obobo$8bo2bo$4b3ob4o$6b2o3bo$4bo3bo3bo
bo$3b3obo2b2ob2o$2b2o3b3o$4b3o2bo$b4ob2ob3obo$3b3o3bo$4b2o4bo2bobo$9b
o4bo$9b4obobo$9b3obo2b2o$9bo5b3o$8bo3b2obo$7bob3o3b3o2bo$7b2o4bobo2bo
2bo$9b4o2bobo2bobo$10bob2o3bob2obo$10bo4bo$9bo4b2obobob2o$16b2obob2o$
15b3obo$15bobob2o$13b3obo$12b2ob2ob3o$11b2o6bobo$11b2obo5b2o$10bo3bo4b
2obo$11bob2o4b6o$13bo2bo3bo2b2o$15bo6b2o$17bo2bo3bo$17bo2b2o3bo$21bo2b
3o$21bo3bobo$21b2ob2obobo$21bo2b4ob2o$22b3o4b2o$22b2o5b3o$25bo3bob2o$
25b3o6bo$27b4obobo$26bo3b3obo$25bobobo$23b3o6b2o$23bob5ob3o$23bo6bobo
$23b2ob2ob2ob2o$26bobob4o$25b4o3bo$26bo2bo2bo$25b2ob2o$26bo$26b4o3bob
o$25bo8bobo$26b2o2b3obobo$27bo4b2o$30b2o$30b3ob2obo$32b2ob4o$36bo$35b
ob2o$33b4o$36b3o$34b2obobo$37bob2o$33b3obo3bo$32bo3bo$33bobo$34bo!

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 3:39 pm**

The spaceship collection is missing (2,1)c/5. (It’s not missing 2c/7, I misunderstood the layout)

Posted: **June 19th, 2025, 3:40 pm**

LuveelVoom wrote: June 19th, 2025, 3:39 pm The spaceship collection is missing 2c/7 and (2,1)c/5.

It isn't missing 2c/7?

Posted: **June 20th, 2025, 1:52 am**

double loaf maker:

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 x = 0, y= 0, rule= b3s23-a5 
3o$ob2o$bo!

Posted: **June 20th, 2025, 2:41 am**

PK22 wrote: June 19th, 2025, 10:37 am
ThePlayzr wrote: June 19th, 2025, 3:27 am What kind of 1G and 1T seeds do you want? What do you want them to produce?
I mean seed technology in general - splitters, OTTs, and lane shifters. Try colliding spaceships with pairs of Spartan objects and seeing what works.
write the script now. We will, of course, need technology such as duplicators, but we can cross that bridge when we get to actually building a constructor.

Why pairs of spartan objects? why not single Spartan objects? Also, what's a spartan object? Is that just a common object?

Posted: **June 20th, 2025, 2:45 am**

ThePlayzr wrote: June 20th, 2025, 2:41 am Why pairs of spartan objects? why not single Spartan objects? Also, what's a spartan object? Is that just a common object?

See spartan.

Posted: **June 20th, 2025, 3:14 am**

The reason I suggested pairs is because I have already checked most single Spartan objects, and there aren't many OTTs besides the beehive, loaf, and pond, so we need to check pairs.

(3,1)c/7 partial:

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x = 26, y = 54, rule = B3/S23-a5
4bobo$2b2obobo$3bo3b2o$2b4o$2bob3o2bo$ob2o3b3o$3bo5b2o$2ob2o4b2o$3b2ob
2ob2o$6b2o$4bob4o$9bob2o$6bo3bo3bo$4b2o3b3obo$8b3ob2o3$8b3o4bo$10bo$
11bo2b3o$10bobo2b4o$10bo3bo2bo$10bobob2obobo$12bo3bobo$12bobobo$18bo2$
15b3o$14b3o2b2o$16bo2b2o$13b2o$14b2ob3o$14bo$13bob3o$13b4o$13b2o3bo$
13b2o2bo$12b2o2b2ob2o$17bob2o$13bobobo$14bo2bo2bo$14bobo2bob2o$16b3ob
3o$13bo2b2o2bobo$14b2ob2ob2o$14b2ob2obobo$16b3ob4o$17b3o3b2o$19b2obo2b
o$16b3obo3bo$16bobo$15b2ob2ob2o$16b2obo$16b2o!

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