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Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 18th, 2017, 9:07 am
by Bullet51
Ethanagor wrote:That's not a valid rule, at least according to Golly (or any syntax I've seen)
muzik wrote:...then how have people managed to search it and get objects to show up?
Just search B3/S1-ce.
Example soup:
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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S1-ce
bo4b2o2bo2bobobo2bo2b2o4bo$o3bob5o2b5o2b5obo3bo$6b2o6b3o6b2o$3bob2o4b
2o5b2o4b2obo$bo3bo2bo2bobobobobo2bo2bo3bo$3b2ob2obo4bobo4bob2ob2o$4ob
3o3bob2ob2obo3b3ob4o$3o2b2obo4b2ob2o4bob2o2b3o$bo2bo2bo3b4ob4o3bo2bo2b
o$bo3bo4b2obo3bob2o4bo3bo$2o7b2obo2bo2bob2o7b2o$3b2obob2o3bo3bo3b2obob
2o$3bo4bobo2bobobo2bobo4bo$2o2bob4ob2ob3ob2ob4obo2b2o$b2o2b4o4bobobo4b
4o2b2o$3obo5bob3ob3obo5bob3o$b2o2b4o4bobobo4b4o2b2o$2o2bob4ob2ob3ob2ob
4obo2b2o$3bo4bobo2bobobo2bobo4bo$3b2obob2o3bo3bo3b2obob2o$2o7b2obo2bo
2bob2o7b2o$bo3bo4b2obo3bob2o4bo3bo$bo2bo2bo3b4ob4o3bo2bo2bo$3o2b2obo4b
2ob2o4bob2o2b3o$4ob3o3bob2ob2obo3b3ob4o$3b2ob2obo4bobo4bob2ob2o$bo3bo
2bo2bobobobobo2bo2bo3bo$3bob2o4b2o5b2o4b2obo$6b2o6b3o6b2o$o3bob5o2b5o
2b5obo3bo$bo4b2o2bo2bobobo2bo2b2o4bo!
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 18th, 2017, 9:08 am
by Ethanagor
muzik wrote:Ethanagor wrote:muzik wrote:How many objects can you get to show up at all in b3s/C1?
That's not a valid rule, at least according to Golly (or any syntax I've seen)
...then how have people managed to search it and get objects to show up?
Well, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Golly can't run that rule in any algorithm.
EDIT:
Bullet51 wrote:
Just search B3/S1-ce.
Oh, OK.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 18th, 2017, 9:12 am
by muzik
Even then, both golly and apgmera work perfectly:
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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S
3bo$3bobo$bo$6b2o$2o$6bo$2bobo$4bo!
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 18th, 2017, 9:30 am
by drc
I think Ethan is trying to enter b3s/C1 instead of B3/S
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 18th, 2017, 9:32 am
by Ethanagor
drc wrote:I think Ethan is trying to enter b3s/C1 instead of B3/S
Yea, I also tried B3/SC1 but that didn't work. I'm a noob...
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 20th, 2017, 7:56 am
by Apple Bottom
Ethanagor wrote:muzik wrote:How many objects can you get to show up at all in b3s/C1?
That's not a valid rule, at least according to Golly (or any syntax I've seen)
It's a rule/symmetry combination: rule B3/S, with C1-symmetrical (i.e. a priori asymmetrical) soups.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 23rd, 2017, 3:38 am
by Saka
Can someone search B2en3ain5iy/S2-a3-ar4 please? Quite fast, has the following novelties:
p20 camelship
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2en3ain5iy/S2-a3-ar4
ooobbbooooooobob$
bbbbboobbbobbbbb$
bobooobbobobooob$
bbobooobobboobbo$
obbboobobobbbbob$
oobbobboooboobbo$
bbbooobbboboobbo$
boobooboobooobbb$
boobooobboobbboo$
boobbboooobbobob$
booobooboboobbob$
obooobbooobboooo$
ooboooobobbbobbb$
oooobooooooooooo$
bbbbbooboobobbbb$
booboobbobbobobo!
p48 oscillator
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2en3ain5iy/S2-a3-ar4
ooobobbbbbbobooo$
ooooobobooobbbob$
oobooobooobboboo$
boobbooboobbbbob$
boooboobbooboboo$
obbbobboobbbbboo$
ooobbooooobbbbbb$
obbbobbbobboobbo$
obbboobbbboboobo$
bobbbobbboooooob$
bbbobbooooboobbo$
oobbobbbbbbbbooo$
bboobboobooooboo$
obbbbbbbbbbobbob$
bbooobobbbbbbbbb$
obbobobooooooobo!
Big yl144
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2en3ain5iy/S2-a3-ar4
bbbobbbbbobbbooo$
ooobobbobobbboob$
bbobobobbboooobb$
obobbbbobbobbooo$
obbbboobboobobbb$
bbobbobboboboobb$
bobboooooobbobbb$
oooooobobobbbooo$
bbbbboooobobobob$
bbbbbbbbbobboobo$
obbobbobbbbobobo$
bbbobbobbbobooob$
oobboobboboooobo$
oobobbobobbobobo$
obbobobbboboobob$
obbbbboboobobobb!
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 23rd, 2017, 12:49 pm
by 83bismuth38
Apple Bottom wrote:83bismuth38 wrote:EDIT: sorry. I already tried downloading apgsearch but couldn't find the right version to match with golly. I also have no idea what ntzfind is. where do i download it?
For apgsearch, you probably want Aidan's
apgsearch-2016-1-21-v0.54+0.21i.py. You'll also need wildmyron's isotropic-rule.py, which generates the necessary rule files -- this was necessary because past Golly didn't natively support non-totalistic rules, and today it's still necessary because apgsearch hasn't been adapted yet to use Golly's native support instead of custom rules.
For more, see
the wiki.
it didn't work.
edit: also, this seems unnecessarily more complicated than one of you just searching the rule.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 23rd, 2017, 1:34 pm
by drc
83bismuth38 wrote:
edit: also, this seems unnecessarily more complicated than one of you just searching the rule.
That kind of came off as rude, and I frankly, along with most of the Life community (can't speak for them though), just don't find that rule that interesting.
In order to get any traction, you must demonstrate common intricacies.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: June 23rd, 2017, 3:55 pm
by Apple Bottom
83bismuth38 wrote:it didn't work.
What exactly didn't work? Where are you getting stuck?
edit: also, this seems unnecessarily more complicated than one of you just searching the rule.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 4th, 2017, 12:31 pm
by muzik
What's the slowest ship we can get to show up in B2c3ae4ai56c/S2-kn3-enq4?
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 8th, 2017, 8:54 am
by Saka
b2-akn3ai/s23-a4i please
Has a 8,6c/24 knightship, a p20, and other stuff. Only 1 odd period oscillator has showed up so that's something.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 8th, 2017, 12:39 pm
by Bullet51
Saka wrote:b2-akn3ai/s23-a4i please
Has a 8,6c/24 knightship, a p20, and other stuff. Only 1 odd period oscillator has showed up so that's something.
There is surely something:
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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B2-akn3ai_S23-a4i
3b3o$bo5bo$ob5obo$bo5bo$3b3o!
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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B2-akn3ai_S23-a4i
3b3o$3bobo$2obobob2o$o2bobo2bo$bobobobo$bobobobo$o2bobo2bo$2obobob2o$
3bobo$3b3o!
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2-akn3ai_S23-a4i
2b2o2b2o$o2bo3bo$2o2bobo$4bo2b2o$3bobo2b2o$3bobo2b2o$4bo2b2o$2o2bobo$o
2bo3bo$2b2o2b2o!
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 8th, 2017, 3:32 pm
by Apple Bottom
Saka wrote:b2-akn3ai/s23-a4i please
Has a 8,6c/24 knightship, a p20, and other stuff. Only 1 odd period oscillator has showed up so that's something.
Also has a a
diagonal period-100 dual blinker puffer:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2-akn3ai/S23-a4i
boboobbbboobobbb$
bobbbbbbbbboobbo$
ooobbbooobbbboob$
oobooobobbbboobb$
boobbbooboboboob$
bobbbobobboooobb$
obboboobbobobooo$
bbbbbobooboobbob$
obobbooboooooobo$
obobobooobbbboob$
boooboobbobbboob$
bobbobbbbboooobb$
obbbbobbboboobbb$
bbbobooooobboooo$
oooobbobboobbbob$
boobooobooobbbob!
(Maybe this should get its own thread though, if there's going to be many more results.)
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 11th, 2017, 7:10 pm
by drc
I have free cpu cycles to give up, and I really want a rule to search.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 11th, 2017, 9:28 pm
by praosylen
drc wrote:I have free cpu cycles to give up, and I really want a rule to search.
tlife, please. My computer can't handle it anymore.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 3:57 am
by muzik
drc wrote:I have free cpu cycles to give up, and I really want a rule to search.
Regular Life, since that tends to be the only one people are really interested in in the end
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 3:57 pm
by toroidalet
muzik wrote:drc wrote:I have free cpu cycles to give up, and I really want a rule to search.
Regular Life, since that tends to be the only one people are really interested in in the end
B3/S23 seems to me to be overrated. I would recommend something more like B34e5y7e/S23, B2i3-ck/S02-i3-ck or B3/S237e.
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x = 5, y = 5, rule = B34e5y7e/S23
3o$o2bo$ob2o2$3b2o!
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x = 7, y = 10, rule = B2i3-ck/S02-i3-ck
3bo$2bobo$bo3bo2$bobobo$2o3b2o3$b2o$b2o!
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x = 3, y = 4, rule = B3/S237e
bo$obo$obo$obo!
B37/S2-i34qy is a good choice too as it almost certainly will have the fame of the first non-totalistic rule with a caterpillar spaceship.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 4:09 pm
by muzik
But who doesn't want sexy, shiny badges? You can only get most badges from Life.
Although, the idea (if highly unlikely) of a caterpillar in another rule (which, based on the simplicity of the reaction, may have a chance of occurring naturally, although possibly as a puffer) is intriguing...
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 13th, 2017, 4:50 pm
by drc
Actually, the reason I only uploaded two hauls of B37/S2-i34qy, is because some soups are actually explosive, but barely. It's rare, though, and caught me by surprise. I can still try to upload some more hauls, I'll just have to monitor them.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 14th, 2017, 6:13 am
by drc
Okay I have a really interesting rule, B3-r/S2-ckn3-cknqy4-acknqwy5-ejkq6c7-c, but I'm half afraid it'll blow up my PC.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 14th, 2017, 9:00 am
by Saka
B2e3ai4r5i7e/S23-a4artz is nice. See Soup Search Results in Other CA (SSROCA)
Has various smoky xq16s, tablepulling xq8s, oscs, and smoky yls.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 14th, 2017, 12:50 pm
by Apple Bottom
Saka wrote:B2e3ai4r5i7e/S23-a4artz is nice. See Soup Search Results in Other CA (SSROCA)
Has various smoky xq16s, tablepulling xq8s, oscs, and smoky yls.
Nice. And much faster to search than B3-r/S2-ckn3-cknqy4-acknqwy5-ejkq6c7-c and (especially) B34e5y7e/S23.
I'll let it run for a while.
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 29th, 2017, 6:07 pm
by toroidalet
Can someone search B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e8, B3-n4w/S23-a4-i, B2n3-n4ejw/S23-a4-ikry, or B3-n4-an/S2-i34-at?
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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e8
2b2o4bo$bo7bo$obo4bo3bo$8b2o2bo$10bobo!
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x = 14, y = 23, rule = B3-n4w/S23-a4-i
2b4o$2bo2bo$o7$10b3o$12bo$10bo2bo$12bo$10b3o7$o$2bo2bo$2b4o!
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x = 14, y = 4, rule = B2n3-n4ejw/S23-a4-ikry
2bo7b3o$b2o6bo3bo$2obo5bo3bo$2bo7bobo!
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x = 15, y = 13, rule = B3-n4-an/S2-i34-at
bo7b3o$3o6bobo2$8b5o$8bobobo4$12bo$2bo8b3o$b3o6bo3bo$2bo8b3o$12bo!
Also try B2ck3ajy4nrt5ei6c7e/S1c2-n3enr4aet5cey67.
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x = 11, y = 10, rule = B2ck3ajy4nrt5ei6c7e8/S1c2-n3enr4aet5cey67
o7bo$8o$o7bo5$6bob2o$6b2o2bo$6bob2o!
Re: apgsearch - haul requests
Posted: July 30th, 2017, 4:04 pm
by Apple Bottom
toroidalet wrote:B3-n4-an/S2-i34-at
I'm not convinced that one isn't explosive. (The others are fine so far, just extremely slow and memory-hungry.)