That's probably a good thing. I obviously didn't intend to harm with this link, just wanted to point out that the HTML-on-Catagolue chroniccals reference weren't overA for awesome wrote:Now Chrome blocks as unsafe (which is good because I added an event handler to one of your input fields, which could easily be used for nefarious purposes).drc wrote:that's not good
That's because I pasted the rule as you posted it here.Saka wrote:So there are both b2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7-cs2-cin3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7-e8 and b2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7es2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8
Yes, I still use the nontotalistic rule generator, because for some reason, if I search, say, B2i3/S1e3, it will search B23/S13.Apple Bottom wrote:
That's because I pasted the rule as you posted it here.
Catagolue itself (probably) doesn't attempt to do any kind of "normalization" on rules, instead just accepting whatever you feed it. And you're using a different (older) version of the soup search script, and (maybe) a different Golly version as well.
I don't think it would be a good idea of suppressing mention of other symmetries altogether (doubly so since Calcyman has explicitely encouraged people to use Catagolue for things other than traditional soup-searching), but I sure could get behind the official ones being marked as such.muzik wrote:It would be nice if only official symmetries were listed in the first place.
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2-ac3i4a/S12
bbboobobobbobbbb$
obboobboooobbobb$
bobboobobbobbooo$
obbooboboobbooob$
bboobooobooboobb$
bbobbobooobbobbo$
oboboooboobbobob$
oooboboooobboboo$
booobobobbbbbooo$
bbooobbooobooboo$
boooboboobooobob$
bbbboboobbobbobb$
boooboooobobobbb$
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boooboobbobobooo$
oobobbboobobobbb!Wait, isn't muzik running bootstrap percolation?drc wrote:That's not good.
I'd say the problem's more relating to the fact that every single individual transition is listed in the rulestring without being simplified and it completely breaks the rule listings page.calcyman wrote:Wait, isn't muzik running bootstrap percolation?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrap_percolation
If so, I'd expect xs256s in almost all cases, with a 1/2^14 frequency of xs240s, and a 1/2^29 frequency of xs225s, and a 1/2^30 frequency of xs224s. That is totally consistent with the empirical observations.
(Admittedly, I'm not Bollobás, so my estimates may be erroneous; if so, I'll ask him next time I visit one of his parties.)
It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.Saka wrote:Oh come on muzik! B4wwwwwww?
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
That's the job of the client program, i.e. Aidan F Pierce's 'hacked apgsearch'. Catagolue is permissive by design, allowing arbitrary rules.muzik wrote:It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.Saka wrote:Oh come on muzik! B4wwwwwww?
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
Very exciting development! I'm glad to see that we are able to see the haul size, too, it really helps gauge how many soups should be in a haul. 1000000 has worked wonders for my B2-ac3i4a/S12 rule, and I'm excited to see what apgluxe can do in terms of non-totalistic searching.calcyman wrote:I'm about halfway through writing the isotropic backend for apgluxe, after which v4.x will finally dominate all previous versions.
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recompile.sh --updateHere's a quick patch to do that:calcyman wrote:That's the job of the client program, i.e. Aidan F Pierce's 'hacked apgsearch'.muzik wrote:It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.
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if g2_8:
g.setalgo("QuickLife")
g.setrule(rulestring)
rulestring = g.getrule()
It does http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/%253Cmarqueee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%2520onfocus%253D%2522function()%257Balert(%2522Q%2522)%253B%2522%257D%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253Es23-ae4itoroidalet wrote:A haul has been uploaded in the symmetry b3s23/%3Cmarqueee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%20onfocus%3D%22function()%7Balert(%22Q%22)%3B%22%7D%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3Es23-ae4i. Looks like someone wanted to see if drc's html trick worked in the census. Evidently it did not. Strangely, the actual haul doesn't exist.
So much innovation!calcyman wrote:Also, /hashsoup officially supports different topologies (although no search programs can deal with them yet):
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 0280/b3s23