Make a Spaceship With an Adjustable Slope

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Re: Make a Spaceship With an Adjustable Slope

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ENDW wrote: October 17th, 2026, 9:47 pm omniship3:
Nice!

If we're interested in making an even smaller omniship, I think the most effective way would be to switch to a different design. Specifically a loopship design similar to the speed orthogonal loopship.

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x = 724, y = 393, rule = LifeHistory
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The circuitry required for each half-period in this design is smaller than in ENDW's omniship, so I expect the tape will be substantially shorter as a result. Specifically, rather than having to build two G-to-MWSSs and two blinker puffer seeds, this loopship design just requires building one of each.

However, the disadvantage of this loopship design is the awkward requirement for the trigger signals to cross the single-channel stream. This is the same problem that afflicted the speed orthogonal loopship. The trigger signal needs to cross because the design is in a sense glide-reflective. Due to this, it might be that the design is not adjustable to all non-orthogonal velocities like ENDW's omniship is. Maybe it is, but sorting out the details of how to guarantee that neither of the trigger signals collide with signals in the tape is not something immediately obvious to me.

Another possibility is a loopship design which alternates between travelling orthogonally and diagonally. I'm envisioning something like this:

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x = 599, y = 652, rule = LifeHistory
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This has the advantage of not being glide-reflective, so the trigger signals wouldn't need to cross over the single-channel stream to get where they need to be for the next period. However, the circuitry is more complex than the design described above.
I6_I6 wrote: October 9th, 2026, 11:56 am But couldn't you use the same method used to build the current omniship, but use mostly gliders instead of XWSSs to create an omniship that's rotated 45˚? It would be harder to get the wanted slope, but it would probably be smaller. Is there some part of the spaceship that prevents this?
Part of the requirements for being an omniship is that the spaceship can be adjusted to velocities arbitrarily close to the speed limit. Or at least, that's how I've been using the term. I recently wrote a wiki article about omniships, and it doesn't explicitly state that, but that is the implication of the second paragraph. If gliders were used instead of xWSSs, the spaceship would not be able to achieve velocities near the speed limit. You are right that using gliders instead of xWSSs could produce a smaller spaceship with an adjustable slope though.

It might be counterintuitive that only xWSSs allow velocities near the speed limit because after all, both xWSSs and gliders travel at the speed limit. However, the difference is that both components of a glider's velocity are below the speed limit. Consequently, if the desired velocity has a component which is faster than c/4, it will be impossible for the spaceship to achieve that velocity if it's "leading edge" is driven by the motion of gliders.
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Re: Make a Spaceship With an Adjustable Slope

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Goldtiger997 wrote: October 18th, 2026, 1:13 am Another possibility is a loopship design which alternates between travelling orthogonally and diagonally. I'm envisioning something like this:
I think I will do it a month later.
By the way, is there a script that make this omniship3?

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x = 22, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3obo3bob3o2bo3bobo$o3b2o2bobo2bobobobobo$3obobobobo2bobobobobo$o3bo2b
2obo2bobobobo$3obo3bob3o3bobo2bo!
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