Pi puffer life - rule balanced beetwen stability and expansion

[yujh]

It's still not easy, because the development of this rule did not lead to gunnable materials. I'd say, let's develop eater-based pi circuits! Kittyst will be really helpful, but v1.2, which is less buggy and introduced a lot of new features, is still on my old computer so that I can't use.

My computer is also old...
But maybe more powerful.
Can help next week.(one of two weeks I’m busy)

Didn't I mention multiple times on this forum that I can't use my computer, not because it's old?

Wow.
20 sec later:
I get it

[BokaBB]

Okay!We are going to need Pi - heptomino circuits!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[Hunting]

Okay!We are going to need Pi - heptomino circuits!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

We may ask classical CGoL enthusiasts how to find Herschel circuits.

If they uses CGoL only software, I will investigate their algorithm and create an OCA software of our own.

[lemon41625]

Results from OCAgar

P6

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B34c/S234y8:T10,10
10o5$10o3$10o!

P6 Wick

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x = 32, y = 7, rule = B34c/S234y8:T32,7
2$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
$5b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o!

P24 discovered by hand

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,24
7$3bo5bo5bo5bo$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo
3bo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo5bo5bo5bo2$3bo5bo5bo5bo$
2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bo3bobo3bob
o3bobo3bo$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo5bo5bo5bo!

2c/2 Spaceship? (What is the correct name for this type of pattern)

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,24
11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o$11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$
13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o$11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o!

P96 Agar

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B34c/S234y8:T20,20
bo4b2o3bo4b2o$4o3b7o3b3o$4b3o2bo4b3o2bo3$2obo2bo3b2obo2bo$5bo9bo$o9bo$
o2bo6bo2bo$obo5b3obo5b2o$bo4b2o3bo4b2o$4o3b7o3b3o$4b3o2bo4b3o2bo3$2obo
2bo3b2obo2bo$5bo9bo$o9bo$o2bo6bo2bo$obo5b3obo5b2o!

2c/20 Spaceship?

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,24
11bo11bo$11bo11bo$9bobo9bobo$o7bo3bo7bo$9bobo9bobo$10bo11bo3$11bo11bo$
o10b2o10bo$2o9b3o9bo$o10b2o10bo$11bo11bo$11bo11bo$9bobo9bobo$o7bo3bo7b
o$9bobo9bobo$10bo11bo3$11bo11bo$o10b2o10bo$2o9b3o9bo$o10b2o10bo!

P 212 Agar

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x = 28, y = 28, rule = B34c/S234y8:T28,28
4b2o12b2o$2bo2bo10bo2bo$2bobo11bobo7$2bo13bo$bobo11bobo$bob2o10bob2o2$
4b2o12b2o$4b2o12b2o$2bo2bo10bo2bo$2bobo11bobo7$2bo13bo$bobo11bobo$bob
2o10bob2o2$4b2o12b2o!

P 264 Agar

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,24
3bobo5bo3bobo5bo2$9b3o9b3o$3bo7bo3bo7bo$2bobo9bobo$5bo11bo$2bo2bo8bo2b
o$6o6b6o$3ob2o6b3ob2o$2ob2o6b3ob2o6bo$11bo11bo$3bo2bo2b3o3bo2bo2b3o$3b
obo5bo3bobo5bo2$9b3o9b3o$3bo7bo3bo7bo$2bobo9bobo$5bo11bo$2bo2bo8bo2bo$
6o6b6o$3ob2o6b3ob2o$2ob2o6b3ob2o6bo$11bo11bo$3bo2bo2b3o3bo2bo2b3o!

P 288 Agar

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x = 30, y = 30, rule = B34c/S234y8:T30,30
10bo14bo$11bo14bo3$12b2o13b2o$2bo8bob2o2bo8bob2o$bob2o5b2obo2bob2o5b2o
bo$o4bo4bo2bobo4bo4bo2bo$b2ob2o7bo2b2ob2o7bo$13bo14bo$9bo4bo9bo4bo$o
14bo$o3b2o4bo4bo3b2o4bo$4b2o8bo4b2o8bo$10bo2bo11bo2bo$10bo14bo$11bo14b
o3$12b2o13b2o$2bo8bob2o2bo8bob2o$bob2o5b2obo2bob2o5b2obo$o4bo4bo2bobo
4bo4bo2bo$b2ob2o7bo2b2ob2o7bo$13bo14bo$9bo4bo9bo4bo$o14bo$o3b2o4bo4bo
3b2o4bo$4b2o8bo4b2o8bo$10bo2bo11bo2bo!

[Hunting]

2c/2 Spaceship? (What is the correct name for this type of pattern)

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,24
11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o$11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$
13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o$11b3o$11b3o$12b2o$13bo$13bo$13bo$10bo2bo$12b2o!

For lightspeed ones superstrings and slower ones waves I believe.

[lemon41625]

More OCAgar results

c/49 Spaceship

Doesn't look like it but okay

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B34c/S234y8:K7,7*
ob2o2bo$3ob2o$2bo3bo$bo$2bo2bo$b3ob2o$2o4bo!

3c/18 Spaceship

Also doesn't look like it but okay (Also for some reason this pattern works in Golly but not in lifeviewer)

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
2$bobo3b2o$6b3o$7bo$b2o4bo$4bobo$5bo!

Another P6 Wick

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x = 14, y = 28, rule = B34c/S234y8:T14,28
2bo6bo$b3o4b3o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$b3o4b3o$2bo6bo2$2bo6bo$b3o4b
3o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$b3o4b3o$2bo6bo2$2bo6bo$b3o4b3o$2ob2o2b2ob
2o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$b3o4b3o$2bo6bo2$2bo6bo$b3o4b3o$2ob2o2b2ob2o$2ob2o2b2ob
2o$b3o4b3o$2bo6bo!

3c/17 Spaceship

c/34 Spaceship

Um... or P119 Agar

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x = 14, y = 14, rule = B34c/S234y8:T14,14
3bob2o3bob2o$3bob2o3bob2o2$o6bo$o3bo2bo3bo$o6bo2$3bob2o3bob2o$3bob2o3b
ob2o2$o6bo$o3bo2bo3bo$o6bo!

P11 Agar

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x = 18, y = 18, rule = B34c/S234y8:T18,18
7bo8bo2$bo5bo2bo5bo2$bo8bo$obobo3b2obobo3bo$bo5bo2bo5bo$bo5bo2bo5bo$o
3bobob2o3bobobo$7bo8bo2$bo5bo2bo5bo2$bo8bo$obobo3b2obobo3bo$bo5bo2bo5b
o$bo5bo2bo5bo$o3bobob2o3bobobo!

P22 Agar

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
6bo$o4bobo$bo2bobobo$o4bobo$6bo$9bo$8bo$7bobo$8bo$9bo!

P30 Agar

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
b2o$3bo$3bo$3bo$b2o$8b2o$7bo$7bo$7bo$8b2o!

P32 Agar

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x = 14, y = 14, rule = B34c/S234y8:T14,14
o6bo$o2bo3bo2bo$3bobo4bobo$4b2o5b2o$o5b2o5bo$o4bobo4bo$bo3bo2bo3bo$o6b
o$o2bo3bo2bo$3bobo4bobo$4b2o5b2o$o5b2o5bo$o4bobo4bo$bo3bo2bo3bo!

P32 Wick

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x = 17, y = 119, rule = B34c/S234y8:T17,119
7b2o2$7b2o$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b
2o2$7b2o$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o
2$7b2o$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o2$
7b2o$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o2$7b
2o$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o2$7b2o
$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o2$7b2o$
6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo$5bo$6bo2bo!

P333 Agar

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B34c/S234y8:K9,9*
b2obo2bo$5bo$4b4o$4b2o$o4bo$bo2bo3bo$4bobo$3o$b4o2bo!

[yujh]

More OCAgar results

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results
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Nice!(P32 is known, though.
Ther’s even a stabilization of it.)
Is this a new version?
Or ?*? have you searched?

[lemon41625]

Search done with OCAgar.lua which I released on the LeapLife Thread.

c/49 Spaceship -> K 7 x 7
3c/18 Spaceship -> K 10 x 10
P6 Wick -> T 7 x 7
P119 Agar -> T 7 x 7
P11 -> T 9 x 9
P22 -> K 10 x 10
P30 -> K 10 x 10
P32 Wick -> T 17 x 17
P333 -> K 9 x 9

From earlier,
P6 -> T 10 x 10
P6 Wick -> T 10 x 10
2c/2 Superstring -> T 12 x 12
P212 -> T 14 x 14
P264 -> T 12 x 12
P288 -> T 15 x 15

BTW I think the P24 is a 8c/24 replicator.

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x = 23, y = 7, rule = B34c/S234y8:T24,0
2bo5bo5bo5bo$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$o3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$o3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$o
3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$2bo5bo5bo5bo!

[BokaBB]

I am not much interested in agars,more in guns and circuits.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[Hunting]

I am not much interested in agars,more in guns and circuits.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

Uh, we put much efforts on agars, and all we get is "I'm not much interested in agars".

Alright, I'll try to get my precious Kittyst v1.2 copy and we'll have circuits soon.

Have a good day!
Twilight "Hunting" Sparkle

[BokaBB]

Hunting,please ask or call your dad do know when you will get your computer back. I am wishing you good luck!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[lemon41625]

Hunting,please ask or call your dad do know when you will get your computer back. I am wishing you good luck!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

BokaBB, please be more patient.

Anyway more agars (I know BokaBB is not interested but its the only new thing I found),

P22 Agar

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#CXRLE Pos=-5,-5 Gen=36407469
x = 10, y = 9, rule = B34c/S234y8:C10,10
o2bo2bo2bo$o3b2o3bo$bob4obo$o3b2o3bo$o2bo2bo2bo2$o2bo2bo2bo$o2bo2bo2bo
$o2bo2bo2bo!

2c/102 Spaceship Thing

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#CXRLE Pos=-4,-2 Gen=28346110
x = 8, y = 6, rule = B34c/S234y8:C10,10
3b3o$bo3b2o$bobo2b2o$o5bo$bo2b2o$bo!

[BokaBB]

Good news! Hunting's computer is back!
We are now able to make circuits and other things!
Please apgsearch my rules and explore them!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[yujh]

Good news! Hunting's computer is back!
We are now able to make circuits and other things!
Please apgsearch my rules and explore them!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

You guys PM each other?
Anyway, I may search for it.
I’ve got a Pi to boat(11 ticks, which is absolutely useless,
And a Pi to Pi, leaves two loaves, and due to the pi’s position(it turns back) it is also useless.

[Hunting]

Good news! Hunting's computer is back!
We are now able to make circuits and other things!
Please apgsearch my rules and explore them!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

You guys PM each other?
Anyway, I may search for it.
I’ve got a Pi to boat(11 ticks, which is absolutely useless,
And a Pi to Pi, leaves two loaves, and due to the pi’s position(it turns back) it is also useless.

Yes, I PMed BokaBB with the title "Good news".

I'm still working on completely overhaul Kittyst - it will be as strong (but probably not as fast, since it's completely unoptimized) as (at least some of) the CGoL search tools when I release it again.

[BokaBB]

Hunting,please do not forget to submit at least 1 Pi puffer life C1 haul daily!
Also,new official names:
p22 is now officially called Back and Forth!
p23 is now officially called Hypernova!
p70:I am rather for name ,,Rigel" than ,,Spiral", unless you have used it for LeapLife p24!
Enjoy your life,keep exploring my rules and be nice!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[Hunting]

Hunting,please do not forget to submit at least 1 Pi puffer life C1 haul daily!

Ah, damn, how did I forgot! I'm doing it now, thanks for noticing me.

[Hunting]

Explosive growth. run with QuickLife, HashLife can't deal with chaotic regions.

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x = 32, y = 20, rule = B34c/S234y8
10bo$10bo$10bo3$bo$o$o$2o$29b3o9$23bo2bo$23b3o!

And yes, puffers does spawn from it naturally, e. g. around gen 110k.

[yujh]

Explosive growth. run with QuickLife, HashLife can't deal with chaotic regions.

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x = 32, y = 20, rule = B34c/S234y8
7010bo$7010bo$7010bo3$7001bo$7000bo$7000bo$7000b2o$7029b3o9$7023bo2bo$7023b3o7000$o!
#C [[ MAXGRIDSIZE 14 ]]

And yes, puffers does spawn from it naturally, e. g. around gen 110k.

Trying to run in lifeviewer

[BokaBB]

JP21,please apgsearch and explore Pi puffer life,my best rule so far!
Also, Hunting,do not forget to submit daily haul!Please add it to your To - do list!
Also,do we have ANDNOT gate?If not,please try to make it!
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[lemon41625]

Glider to Pi Convertor (Destroyed in the process, also 2G Synth for Pi are known so not very useful)

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x = 10, y = 8, rule = B34c/S234y8History
4.3D$2C4.D$2C2.3D3$7.3C$7.C$8.C!

Found this reaction where the Pi turns 2 boats to a mirrored dock (not very useful though)

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x = 7, y = 8, rule = B34c/S234y8
2bobo$2bobo$2b3o3$b2ob2o$obobobo$bo3bo!

Block Pipe Thing makes Pi go further (Destroyed in the process, so not very useful)

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x = 103, y = 362, rule = B34c/S234y8
2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o
27b2o$2o27b2o3$2o27b2o$2o27b2o2$14b3o83b3o$2o12bobo12b2o69bobo$2o12bob
o12b2o69bobo!

[yujh]

No successful conduits yet.
Hard because I can’t invite Calcyman.

[Hunting]

JP21,please apgsearch and explore Pi puffer life,my best rule so far!

He can't.

Also, Hunting,do not forget to submit daily haul!Please add it to your To - do list!

Will do.

Also,do we have ANDNOT gate?If not,please try to make it!

Should be easy to make with known components.

Glider to Pi Convertor (Destroyed in the process, also 2G Synth for Pi are known so not very useful)

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x = 10, y = 8, rule = B34c/S234y8History
4.3D$2C4.D$2C2.3D3$7.3C$7.C$8.C!

Works in Life as well. If we can restore the block by some kind of magical process

Found this reaction where the Pi turns 2 boats to a mirrored dock (not very useful though)

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x = 7, y = 8, rule = B34c/S234y8
2bobo$2bobo$2b3o3$b2ob2o$obobobo$bo3bo!

Dock is an eater-eater weld, so I except this to be useful enough.

No successful conduits yet.
Hard because I can’t invite Calcyman.

Calcyman is not known for conduits - Kazyan is, I think, but most of those people are unlikely to be interested in PiPufferLife.

I'm still working on Kittyst - it should support multiple catalysts in v1.2.

[yujh]

No successful conduits yet.
Hard because I can’t invite Calcyman.

Calcyman is not known for conduits - Kazyan is, I think, but most of those people are unlikely to be interested in PiPufferLife.

I'm still working on Kittyst - it should support multiple catalysts in v1.2.

No.
I mean eater2 being killed by B4c

[bubblegum]

(Also for some reason this pattern works in Golly but not in lifeviewer)

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
2$bobo3b2o$6b3o$7bo$b2o4bo$4bobo$5bo!

Ah. Golly and LV place patterns on bounded grids differently. LV centres a pattern while Golly places it at the top.
In this case

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
2bobo3b2o$7b3o$8bo$2b2o4bo$5bobo$6bo!

would work for LV but not for Golly which would display

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
2bobo3b2o$7b3o$8bo$2b2o4bo$5bobo$6bo4$!

instead.

A more effective solution is to simply include a #CXRLE tag

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#CXRLE Pos=-3,-3 Gen=0
x = 8, y = 6, rule = B34c/S234y8:K10,10*
obo3b2o$5b3o$6bo$2o4bo$3bobo$4bo!

(for those of you who are confused about K10,10* it stands for klein bottle, i.e. a torus but one side is flipped before joining them up and shifts can only be on the flipped side and only if that side's dimension is even and all shifts are equivalent to 1)