LeapLife (B2n3/S23-q)

[Hunting]

ALL I care about is a periodic/stable duplicator/splitter.

I agree, that's where we focus now. I called AbhpzTa. Dunno if he'll read.

[JP21]

ALL I care about is a periodic/stable duplicator/splitter.

I agree, that's where we focus now. I called AbhpzTa. Dunno if he'll read.

He had tools?
That's good so I can finally contribute better.

[Hunting]

ALL I care about is a periodic/stable duplicator/splitter.

I agree, that's where we focus now. I called AbhpzTa. Dunno if he'll read.

He had tools?
That's good so I can finally contribute better.

I think he don't have. Otherwise his tool would be extremely powerful that it can do anything, including converting a prank into an actual working oscillator with new period, and find catalysts in OCA rules.

[Naszvadi]

Handmade splitter - definiately suboptimal:

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x = 67, y = 35, rule = B2n3/S23-q
8b2o30bo$7b2obo29b2o$8bo2bo23b2o4b2o$9bob2o29b2o19b2o$10bobo30bo21bo$
11b2o26bo4bo$13b3o29bo16bo$13bob2o29b2o17bo$14bo2bo29b2o11bo5bo$15bo2b
o29b2o15bo$16b3o30b2o12b2o$17bo27bo16bo$56bo4bo$60bo$48bo5bo4bo$48bob
2o6bo$9b3o2bobo34bo6bo$8bo2bo3b2o35bo2bobo$6bo4bo3bo40bo$6bo2bo34bo$5b
o2bo35bobo$4bob2o12bo23b2o$2b2obo15b2o$5bo14b2o$bo2bo34bo$o2bo34bo$o
37b3o$3o22bobo$26b2o$26bo6b2o2$33b2o$33bo10b2o$30bo12b2o$30bobo12bo!

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x = 115, y = 82, rule = B2n3/S23-q
11b2o$10bo$104bo$13bo89b3o$10bo95bo$9bo5bo85bo4bo$10bo89bo3b2o$11b2o
87bo3bo$13bo84bo4bo$14bo4bo80b2o$15bo80b2obo$16bo4bo73bo3bo$17bo6bo$
17bo6bo68bo4bo$18bobo2bo68b2o2b2o$19bo73bo2bo$13bo80b2o$13bo$101b3o$
102b2o$10bo89bobobo$14b2o3bobo73bobo2bo$13b2o5b2o73b2o5bo2b2o$12b2o6bo
75bo4bobo3bo$11b2o92b3o$10bo95b4o$4bo4bo15bo65bo15b2obo$8bo17b2o61b2o
17bobo$7b2o16b2o63b2o20bo$2o4b2o101bo3b2o$5b2o103bob3o$5bo103bo4bo$30b
obo51bobo24b2o$31b2o51b2o$31bo53bo3$36bo43bo$37b2o39b2o$36b2o41b2o4$
41bobo29bobo$42b2o29b2o$42bo31bo4$49bo17bo$47bobo17bobo$47bo21bo$46b2o
21b2o$47bo21bo$50bo15bo25$71b3o$71bo$72bo!

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My bad, the last one alters phase during splitting...

[Hunting]

Handmade splitter - definiately suboptimal:

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x = 67, y = 35, rule = B2n3/S23-q
8b2o30bo$7b2obo29b2o$8bo2bo23b2o4b2o$9bob2o29b2o19b2o$10bobo30bo21bo$
11b2o26bo4bo$13b3o29bo16bo$13bob2o29b2o17bo$14bo2bo29b2o11bo5bo$15bo2b
o29b2o15bo$16b3o30b2o12b2o$17bo27bo16bo$56bo4bo$60bo$48bo5bo4bo$48bob
2o6bo$9b3o2bobo34bo6bo$8bo2bo3b2o35bo2bobo$6bo4bo3bo40bo$6bo2bo34bo$5b
o2bo35bobo$4bob2o12bo23b2o$2b2obo15b2o$5bo14b2o$bo2bo34bo$o2bo34bo$o
37b3o$3o22bobo$26b2o$26bo6b2o2$33b2o$33bo10b2o$30bo12b2o$30bobo12bo!

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x = 115, y = 82, rule = B2n3/S23-q
11b2o$10bo$104bo$13bo89b3o$10bo95bo$9bo5bo85bo4bo$10bo89bo3b2o$11b2o
87bo3bo$13bo84bo4bo$14bo4bo80b2o$15bo80b2obo$16bo4bo73bo3bo$17bo6bo$
17bo6bo68bo4bo$18bobo2bo68b2o2b2o$19bo73bo2bo$13bo80b2o$13bo$101b3o$
102b2o$10bo89bobobo$14b2o3bobo73bobo2bo$13b2o5b2o73b2o5bo2b2o$12b2o6bo
75bo4bobo3bo$11b2o92b3o$10bo95b4o$4bo4bo15bo65bo15b2obo$8bo17b2o61b2o
17bobo$7b2o16b2o63b2o20bo$2o4b2o101bo3b2o$5b2o103bob3o$5bo103bo4bo$30b
obo51bobo24b2o$31b2o51b2o$31bo53bo3$36bo43bo$37b2o39b2o$36b2o41b2o4$
41bobo29bobo$42b2o29b2o$42bo31bo4$49bo17bo$47bobo17bobo$47bo21bo$46b2o
21b2o$47bo21bo$50bo15bo25$71b3o$71bo$72bo!

Is the first really a splitter? Its SE output is 3-glider(closely spaced) and I don't see a way to convert it into a single glider.

The second have period problem. It is p198.

[Hunting]

Dvgrn's two dollars:

I'm showing the thoughts of mine below.

1. What components do I need to compose a universal constructor?

You have the right general idea here. Until you know how to construct something -- anything! -- that can be used to build logic circuitry, you won't have a universal constructor.

I've scanned through the LeapLife thread now. Looks like your best bet for universal construction might be Remini-like construction using intermittent p22 glider streams. (Remini uses intermittent p30 streams.)

-- Or more likely you'll have to use some multiple of p22. P22 would be much more efficient than higher periods, but you'd have to be able to duplicate and reflect those streams before they'd actually be useful for universal construction. We'd have a hard time duplicating intermittent p22 streams even in Conway's Life -- the gliders are too close together, so it's really unlikely that any mechanism could test for the presence of a glider, produce two output gliders, and get out of the way in only 22 ticks.

What higher-period guns do you have available? It's not clear that the Remini trick will work even at p44, let alone at p66 or higher periods -- but you won't really know until you do a search, I guess.

2. Where did the glider stream travelling between shoulder and elbow come from? What exactly is the shoulder, please give example?

"Shoulder", "elbow", and "hand" are all just analogies to more-or-less equivalent places on an arm. The shoulder is where all the elbow-manipulating signals have to come from. Probably some kind of edge-shooting guns will be needed at the shoulder, but you have to be able to trigger them to fire with an input signal, they can't just be firing all the time.

The elbow is where the construction-arm signals turn and head toward the hand. The hand is where the construction happens.

3. Is it possible to replace all stable circuits in CGoL with p22 circuits in LeapLife? Because we are lacking technology.

Possible, but not likely. There are contexts where you'll need 22 times as many recipes as you would if you came up with stable construction-arm technology. Somebody tried doing the equivalent at p30 in Life before the Gemini idea came along, but you needed insanely huge recipes to build anything.

4. How do you construct the hand? Do you have to generate spaceships of two speed, one catching another? Or are there any other ways?

Don't worry about the hand for now. It looks like you have reactions that can start with a nearby block and gradually push it farther away with unidirectional gliders. That's all you need to make something like a Demonoid.

6. This rule is a bit too stable. It would be hard.

Yes. Try a huge random 50% rectangle in Life, and then in LeapLife. Look around the edges. Life has a whole pile of patterns that like to travel -- R-pentominos, B-heptominos, Herschels (all related), pi-heptominos, LOMs, centuries, etc. Herschels in particular show up around the edges of random soup, traveling outwards. Offhand I don't see anything like that in LeapLife.

Boats make nice eater-equivalent catalysts, probably, but it's going to be hard to come up with a traveling LeapLife pattern like a Herschel that can be catalyzed to move from place to place and produce workable signal circuitry, with extra glider outputs when you need them. Maybe there's something out there -- a traveling traffic light or something, along the lines of AbhpzTa's shuttles -- but the odds don't look very good.

Which means you'll pretty much be stuck with trying to get a Remini-like solution to work.

Which kind of p22 splitters do we need to do the whole project?

Mostly you just need a period-N gun that can be constructed with gliders, and that can be used to duplicate an intermittent period-N glider stream. Doesn't matter too much what N is, actually. The closer it is to being an edge-shooting gun, the better. Find that first, and then I can explain the searches that could be done to make it into a universal constructor.

(You can post questions on the LeapLife thread, and then just PM me to tell me it's there, since I don't always look at OCA postings.)

[Naszvadi]

Handmade splitter - definiately suboptimal:

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x = 67, y = 35, rule = B2n3/S23-q
8b2o30bo$7b2obo29b2o$8bo2bo23b2o4b2o$9bob2o29b2o19b2o$10bobo30bo21bo$
11b2o26bo4bo$13b3o29bo16bo$13bob2o29b2o17bo$14bo2bo29b2o11bo5bo$15bo2b
o29b2o15bo$16b3o30b2o12b2o$17bo27bo16bo$56bo4bo$60bo$48bo5bo4bo$48bob
2o6bo$9b3o2bobo34bo6bo$8bo2bo3b2o35bo2bobo$6bo4bo3bo40bo$6bo2bo34bo$5b
o2bo35bobo$4bob2o12bo23b2o$2b2obo15b2o$5bo14b2o$bo2bo34bo$o2bo34bo$o
37b3o$3o22bobo$26b2o$26bo6b2o2$33b2o$33bo10b2o$30bo12b2o$30bobo12bo!

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x = 115, y = 82, rule = B2n3/S23-q
11b2o$10bo$104bo$13bo89b3o$10bo95bo$9bo5bo85bo4bo$10bo89bo3b2o$11b2o
87bo3bo$13bo84bo4bo$14bo4bo80b2o$15bo80b2obo$16bo4bo73bo3bo$17bo6bo$
17bo6bo68bo4bo$18bobo2bo68b2o2b2o$19bo73bo2bo$13bo80b2o$13bo$101b3o$
102b2o$10bo89bobobo$14b2o3bobo73bobo2bo$13b2o5b2o73b2o5bo2b2o$12b2o6bo
75bo4bobo3bo$11b2o92b3o$10bo95b4o$4bo4bo15bo65bo15b2obo$8bo17b2o61b2o
17bobo$7b2o16b2o63b2o20bo$2o4b2o101bo3b2o$5b2o103bob3o$5bo103bo4bo$30b
obo51bobo24b2o$31b2o51b2o$31bo53bo3$36bo43bo$37b2o39b2o$36b2o41b2o4$
41bobo29bobo$42b2o29b2o$42bo31bo4$49bo17bo$47bobo17bobo$47bo21bo$46b2o
21b2o$47bo21bo$50bo15bo25$71b3o$71bo$72bo!

Is the first really a splitter? Its SE output is 3-glider(closely spaced) and I don't see a way to convert it into a single glider.

The second have period problem. It is p198.

The second one has more serious problems: it needs a contiguous P220 stream in order to keep its period.

Howewer, experimenting with only one gun and one eater:

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x = 521, y = 522, rule = B2n3/S23-q
509bo$508bobo$507bo$509bo$506bobo$505bo3b2o$504bo2bobo$506bo$502bo3bo$
501bo3bo$500bo2b2o$498bo3bo$497bo2bo$496bo2bob2o$497bo3bo2$507bo$507b
2o$507b2o$508b2o$501bo4bobo$499b2o5b2ob3o$500b2o4b3ob2o$509b3obo$510b
2o$511b5o$494bobo15b4o$494b2o17bobobo$495bo18bob4o$514b2o2b3o$514b3o$
490bo$488b2o$489b2o4$483bobo$483b2o$484bo3$479bo$477b2o$478b2o4$472bob
o$472b2o$473bo3$468bo$466b2o$467b2o4$461bobo$461b2o$462bo3$457bo$455b
2o$456b2o4$450bobo$450b2o$451bo3$446bo$444b2o$445b2o4$439bobo$439b2o$
440bo3$435bo$433b2o$434b2o4$428bobo$428b2o$429bo3$424bo$422b2o$423b2o
4$417bobo$417b2o$418bo3$413bo$411b2o$412b2o4$406bobo$406b2o$407bo3$
402bo$400b2o$401b2o4$395bobo$395b2o$396bo3$391bo$389b2o$390b2o4$384bob
o$384b2o$385bo3$380bo$378b2o$379b2o4$373bobo$373b2o$374bo3$369bo$367b
2o$368b2o4$362bobo$362b2o$363bo3$358bo$356b2o$357b2o4$351bobo$351b2o$
352bo3$347bo$345b2o$346b2o4$340bobo$340b2o$341bo3$336bo$334b2o$335b2o
4$329bobo$329b2o$330bo3$325bo$323b2o$324b2o4$318bobo$318b2o$319bo3$
314bo$312b2o$313b2o4$307bobo$307b2o$308bo3$303bo$301b2o$302b2o4$296bob
o$296b2o$297bo3$292bo$290b2o$291b2o4$285bobo$285b2o$286bo3$281bo$279b
2o$280b2o4$274bobo$274b2o$275bo3$270bo$268b2o$269b2o4$263bobo$263b2o$
264bo3$259bo$257b2o$258b2o4$252bobo$252b2o$253bo3$248bo$246b2o$247b2o
4$241bobo$241b2o$242bo79b2o$321b2o$323bo$237bo$235b2o$236b2o4$230bobo$
230b2o$231bo3$226bo$224b2o$225b2o4$219bobo$219b2o$220bo3$215bo$213b2o$
214b2o4$208bobo$208b2o$209bo3$204bo$202b2o$203b2o4$197bobo$197b2o$198b
o3$193bo$191b2o$192b2o4$186bobo$186b2o$187bo3$182bo$180b2o$181b2o4$
175bobo$175b2o$176bo3$171bo$169b2o$170b2o4$164bobo$164b2o$165bo3$160bo
$158b2o$159b2o4$153bobo$153b2o$154bo3$149bo$147b2o$148b2o4$142bobo$
142b2o$143bo3$138bo$136b2o$137b2o4$131bobo$131b2o$132bo3$127bo$125b2o$
126b2o4$120bobo$120b2o$121bo3$116bo$114b2o$115b2o4$109bobo$109b2o$110b
o3$105bo$103b2o$104b2o4$98bobo$98b2o$99bo3$94bo$92b2o$93b2o4$87bobo$
87b2o$88bo3$83bo$81b2o$82b2o4$76bobo$76b2o$77bo3$72bo$70b2o$71b2o4$65b
obo$65b2o$66bo3$61bo$59b2o$60b2o4$54bobo$54b2o$55bo3$50bo$48b2o$49b2o
4$43bobo$43b2o$44bo3$39bo$37b2o$38b2o4$32bobo$32b2o$33bo3$28bo$26b2o$
27b2o4$21bobo$21b2o$22bo3$17bo$15b2o$16b2o4$10bobo$10b2o$11bo3$6bo$4b
2o$5b2o2$bo$obo$2o!

[Hunting]

Handmade splitter - definiately suboptimal:

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x = 67, y = 35, rule = B2n3/S23-q
8b2o30bo$7b2obo29b2o$8bo2bo23b2o4b2o$9bob2o29b2o19b2o$10bobo30bo21bo$
11b2o26bo4bo$13b3o29bo16bo$13bob2o29b2o17bo$14bo2bo29b2o11bo5bo$15bo2b
o29b2o15bo$16b3o30b2o12b2o$17bo27bo16bo$56bo4bo$60bo$48bo5bo4bo$48bob
2o6bo$9b3o2bobo34bo6bo$8bo2bo3b2o35bo2bobo$6bo4bo3bo40bo$6bo2bo34bo$5b
o2bo35bobo$4bob2o12bo23b2o$2b2obo15b2o$5bo14b2o$bo2bo34bo$o2bo34bo$o
37b3o$3o22bobo$26b2o$26bo6b2o2$33b2o$33bo10b2o$30bo12b2o$30bobo12bo!

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x = 115, y = 82, rule = B2n3/S23-q
11b2o$10bo$104bo$13bo89b3o$10bo95bo$9bo5bo85bo4bo$10bo89bo3b2o$11b2o
87bo3bo$13bo84bo4bo$14bo4bo80b2o$15bo80b2obo$16bo4bo73bo3bo$17bo6bo$
17bo6bo68bo4bo$18bobo2bo68b2o2b2o$19bo73bo2bo$13bo80b2o$13bo$101b3o$
102b2o$10bo89bobobo$14b2o3bobo73bobo2bo$13b2o5b2o73b2o5bo2b2o$12b2o6bo
75bo4bobo3bo$11b2o92b3o$10bo95b4o$4bo4bo15bo65bo15b2obo$8bo17b2o61b2o
17bobo$7b2o16b2o63b2o20bo$2o4b2o101bo3b2o$5b2o103bob3o$5bo103bo4bo$30b
obo51bobo24b2o$31b2o51b2o$31bo53bo3$36bo43bo$37b2o39b2o$36b2o41b2o4$
41bobo29bobo$42b2o29b2o$42bo31bo4$49bo17bo$47bobo17bobo$47bo21bo$46b2o
21b2o$47bo21bo$50bo15bo25$71b3o$71bo$72bo!

Is the first really a splitter? Its SE output is 3-glider(closely spaced) and I don't see a way to convert it into a single glider.

The second have period problem. It is p198.

The second one has more serious problems: it needs a contiguous P220 stream in order to keep its period.

Howewer, experimenting with only one gun and one eater:

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x = 521, y = 522, rule = B2n3/S23-q
509bo$508bobo$507bo$509bo$506bobo$505bo3b2o$504bo2bobo$506bo$502bo3bo$
501bo3bo$500bo2b2o$498bo3bo$497bo2bo$496bo2bob2o$497bo3bo2$507bo$507b
2o$507b2o$508b2o$501bo4bobo$499b2o5b2ob3o$500b2o4b3ob2o$509b3obo$510b
2o$511b5o$494bobo15b4o$494b2o17bobobo$495bo18bob4o$514b2o2b3o$514b3o$
490bo$488b2o$489b2o4$483bobo$483b2o$484bo3$479bo$477b2o$478b2o4$472bob
o$472b2o$473bo3$468bo$466b2o$467b2o4$461bobo$461b2o$462bo3$457bo$455b
2o$456b2o4$450bobo$450b2o$451bo3$446bo$444b2o$445b2o4$439bobo$439b2o$
440bo3$435bo$433b2o$434b2o4$428bobo$428b2o$429bo3$424bo$422b2o$423b2o
4$417bobo$417b2o$418bo3$413bo$411b2o$412b2o4$406bobo$406b2o$407bo3$
402bo$400b2o$401b2o4$395bobo$395b2o$396bo3$391bo$389b2o$390b2o4$384bob
o$384b2o$385bo3$380bo$378b2o$379b2o4$373bobo$373b2o$374bo3$369bo$367b
2o$368b2o4$362bobo$362b2o$363bo3$358bo$356b2o$357b2o4$351bobo$351b2o$
352bo3$347bo$345b2o$346b2o4$340bobo$340b2o$341bo3$336bo$334b2o$335b2o
4$329bobo$329b2o$330bo3$325bo$323b2o$324b2o4$318bobo$318b2o$319bo3$
314bo$312b2o$313b2o4$307bobo$307b2o$308bo3$303bo$301b2o$302b2o4$296bob
o$296b2o$297bo3$292bo$290b2o$291b2o4$285bobo$285b2o$286bo3$281bo$279b
2o$280b2o4$274bobo$274b2o$275bo3$270bo$268b2o$269b2o4$263bobo$263b2o$
264bo3$259bo$257b2o$258b2o4$252bobo$252b2o$253bo3$248bo$246b2o$247b2o
4$241bobo$241b2o$242bo79b2o$321b2o$323bo$237bo$235b2o$236b2o4$230bobo$
230b2o$231bo3$226bo$224b2o$225b2o4$219bobo$219b2o$220bo3$215bo$213b2o$
214b2o4$208bobo$208b2o$209bo3$204bo$202b2o$203b2o4$197bobo$197b2o$198b
o3$193bo$191b2o$192b2o4$186bobo$186b2o$187bo3$182bo$180b2o$181b2o4$
175bobo$175b2o$176bo3$171bo$169b2o$170b2o4$164bobo$164b2o$165bo3$160bo
$158b2o$159b2o4$153bobo$153b2o$154bo3$149bo$147b2o$148b2o4$142bobo$
142b2o$143bo3$138bo$136b2o$137b2o4$131bobo$131b2o$132bo3$127bo$125b2o$
126b2o4$120bobo$120b2o$121bo3$116bo$114b2o$115b2o4$109bobo$109b2o$110b
o3$105bo$103b2o$104b2o4$98bobo$98b2o$99bo3$94bo$92b2o$93b2o4$87bobo$
87b2o$88bo3$83bo$81b2o$82b2o4$76bobo$76b2o$77bo3$72bo$70b2o$71b2o4$65b
obo$65b2o$66bo3$61bo$59b2o$60b2o4$54bobo$54b2o$55bo3$50bo$48b2o$49b2o
4$43bobo$43b2o$44bo3$39bo$37b2o$38b2o4$32bobo$32b2o$33bo3$28bo$26b2o$
27b2o4$21bobo$21b2o$22bo3$17bo$15b2o$16b2o4$10bobo$10b2o$11bo3$6bo$4b
2o$5b2o2$bo$obo$2o!

Ha, funny! The lanes of those gliders are pretty close though so it is probably not easy to handle.

Any ideas on edgeshooting the unstable thing in the p22 synth final step?

EDIT you should try the p110 guns or others instead of p22, see dvgrn's post.

[nolovoto]

almost an oscillator

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2$2b2o5b2o$2b2o5b2o3$6bo$5bobo$4bo3bo$5b3o$4bo3bo$2b2o5b2o$2b2o5b2o!

[JP21]

Now here is me, trying to discover a new thing...

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x = 51, y = 45, rule = B2n3/S23-q
15bo$15bo3bo$15bo2bobo$17bo3bo$18bobo$19bo2$o15b3o$o3bo$o2bobo$2bo3bo
29b2o11b2o$3bobo2bo27b2o11b2o$4bo3bo$8bo32b2ob2o$40b3ob3o$41b2ob2o2$
36b2o11b2o$36b2o11b2o4$16b2o5b2o$16b2o5b2o4$16b2o5b2o$16b2o5b2o$20bo$
11b2o6b3o6b2o$11b2o15b2o11b3o3$19b3o19b3o$11b2o7bo7b2o10bo3bo$11b2o15b
2o10bo3bo$40bo3bo$16b2o5b2o16b3o$16b2o5b2o3$42bo$16b2o5b2o17bo$16b2o5b
2o17bo!

Edit:

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x = 110, y = 36, rule = B2n3/S23-q
106b2o$106b2o$91b2o$91b2o2$97bo4bo$97b2o3b3o$96b2o5bo4$97bo5b2o$96b3o
3b2o$98bo4bo2$108b2o$108b2o$93b2o$93b2o$41b2o$41b2o12b2o$55b2o2$45bo4b
o$5bo4bo34b2o3b3o$5b2o3b3o31b2o5bo$4b2o5bo3$45bo5b2o$44b3o3b2o$46bo4bo
$bo5b2o$3o3b2o32b2o$2bo4bo32b2o12b2o$54b2o!

[Hunting]

Now here is me, trying to discover a new thing...

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x = 51, y = 45, rule = B2n3/S23-q
15bo$15bo3bo$15bo2bobo$17bo3bo$18bobo$19bo2$o15b3o$o3bo$o2bobo$2bo3bo
29b2o11b2o$3bobo2bo27b2o11b2o$4bo3bo$8bo32b2ob2o$40b3ob3o$41b2ob2o2$
36b2o11b2o$36b2o11b2o4$16b2o5b2o$16b2o5b2o4$16b2o5b2o$16b2o5b2o$20bo$
11b2o6b3o6b2o$11b2o15b2o11b3o3$19b3o19b3o$11b2o7bo7b2o10bo3bo$11b2o15b
2o10bo3bo$40bo3bo$16b2o5b2o16b3o$16b2o5b2o3$42bo$16b2o5b2o17bo$16b2o5b
2o17bo!

Edit:

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x = 110, y = 36, rule = B2n3/S23-q
106b2o$106b2o$91b2o$91b2o2$97bo4bo$97b2o3b3o$96b2o5bo4$97bo5b2o$96b3o
3b2o$98bo4bo2$108b2o$108b2o$93b2o$93b2o$41b2o$41b2o12b2o$55b2o2$45bo4b
o$5bo4bo34b2o3b3o$5b2o3b3o31b2o5bo$4b2o5bo3$45bo5b2o$44b3o3b2o$46bo4bo
$bo5b2o$3o3b2o32b2o$2bo4bo32b2o12b2o$54b2o!

AbhpzTa please come and convert this into a real discovery

[JP21]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

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x = 5, y = 16, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$bo$b3o5$bo$obo$o2bo$b2o4$3b2o$3b2o!

Which was then followed by a synthesis after 10 minutes:

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x = 37, y = 30, rule = B2n3/S23-q
16bo$15bo19bo$15b3o16bo$34b3o10$2bo$2bobo$2b2o4$11bo$9b2o$bo8b2o$2o$ob
o4$10b2o$10bobo$10bo!

I finally made a synthesis completely by myself!!!

But, IT IS USELESS AND BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Which was then followed by a stupid mango boring discovery just 1 minute after posting:

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x = 6, y = 16, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$bo$b3o5$bo$obo$o2bo$b2o4$4b2o$4b2o!

[JP21]

Added tumor:

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x = 1270, y = 271, rule = B2n3/S23-q
10bo10bo8bo20b2o6bo25bo10bo9bo13bo19b2o5bo22b2o14bo10bo$11bo10bo8bo19b
2o7bo25bo10bo9bo13bo18b2o6bo21b2o15bo10bo2b2o$9b3o8b3o6b3o26b3o2b2o19b
3o8b3o7b3o11b3o12bo11b3o36b3o8b3o2b2o$46bo16b2o70bo30bo3b2o$34b2o11bo
31b2o29b2o12b2o7b3o18b2o3b2o6bo2b2o$11b2o10b2o9b2o9b3o7b2o3bo18b2o5b2o
12b2o8b2o12b2o12b2o10b2o2b2o3b2o4b3o21bo$11b2o10bobo3b2o19b2o3b2o2bobo
24b2o6b2o4b2o36b2o10b2o36bobo3b2o$24bo4b2o19b2o7b2o32bo2bo7b2o78b2o2bo
bo3b2o$93bo2bo7b2o78b2o3bo$44b2o48b2o28b2o12b2o$44b2o37b2o39b2o12b2o$
83b2o64$11bo13bo12bo4b2o9b2o9bo16bo18bo26b2o4bo20bo$12bo13bo12bo2bobo
3bo5b2o10bo4b2o10bo18bo25b2o5bo20bo21b2o20b2o$10b3o11b3o10b3o2b2o5bo
14b3o3bobo8b3o16b3o30b3o4b2o12b3o21b2o16bo3b2o$15b2o30b3o21bo68b2o30bo
24bo34bo$15b2o25b2o118b2o9bo21b3o35bo3b2o$26b2ob2o6b2o3b2o9bo12b2o15bo
6b2o10bo35b4o16b2o2b2o7b3o2b2o12b2o39b3o3b2o$26b2ob2o5bo2bo12bobo11b2o
3b2o9bobo5b2o9bobo34bo2bo16b2o16b2o12b2o$9b2o26b2o13b2o17b2o9b2o17b2o
7b2o$9b2o98bo2bo17bo71b2o31b2o$109bobo12bo4bobo70b2o31bobo$110bo14bo2b
o2bo62b2o40bo$123b3o3b2o63b2o3$227b2o$103b2o122b2o$103b2o64$49b2o$49b
2o2$45bo620bo$46bo620bo$44b3o591bo5bo20b3o3bo33bo$49b2o588bo3bo26bo35b
o$49b2o453bo33bo78b2o18b3o3b3o24b3o31b3o$53b2o106b2o342bo8b2o23bo51bo
18bo6b2o$43b2o8b2o23bo78bo3b2o340b3o8b2o21b3o52bo18bo98bo48bo$43b2o34b
o59b2o17bo108bo86b2o13bo19bo200b3o16b3o97bobo48bo60b2o$6b2o69b3o35bo
19bo3b2o15b3o109bo2b2o81b2o14bo19bo117b2o41bo17bo68b2o3b2o64b2o47b3o
60b2o$6b2o74b2o32bo3b2o14bo129b3o2b2o74bo20b3o17b3o91bo25b2o26bo15bo
17bo43b2o22b2o3b2o21b2o62bo52bo3bo49bo$82b2o30b3o2bobo12b3o114b2o70bo
24bo95bo38bo51bobo12b3o15b3o22b2o19b2o50b2o63bo32bo19bo2b3o48bo25bo16b
o109b2o$2bo117bo37b2o87bo3b2o71bo21b3o78bo17bo35b3o51b2o36b2o18b2o114b
2o18b3o31bobo16b3o5bo25bo19b3o26bo16bo16bo91b2o38b2o230bo$3bo74b2o78b
2o45b2o41bo13b2ob2o55b3o26b2o18b2o18b2o35bo14b3o2b2o54b2o67b2o134b2o
45b2o5b2o24b2o26bo23b2o20b3o14b3o17bo25bo104b2o231bo$b3o6b2o66b2o36b2o
18b2o40bo5b2o12bo6b2o39b3o13b2ob2o84b2o18b2o18b2o33b3o19b2o54b2o34b2o
12b2o2b2o28b2o145bo20b2o57b3o23b2o55b3o26bo2b2o330b3o$6b2o2b2o99b2o3b
2o18b2o15b2o24bo4b2o13bo127b2o37b2o18b2o91b2o59b2o12b2o2b2o9b2o17b2o
144bobo83b2o23b2o78b3o2b2o$6b2o103b2o40b2o22b3o17b3o54b2o71b2o16b2o19b
2o18b2o53b2ob2o2b2o28bo2bo87b2o163b2o47b2o35b2o23b2o19b2o15b2o67bo121b
o34bo53bo$254b2o62b2ob2o22b2o77b2ob2o12b2ob2o2b2o29b2o249b2o51b2o76b2o
3b2o15b2o11b2o53bobo42bo78bo34bo53bo2b2o95b2o2b2o$2o131b2o67b2o114b2ob
2o71b2o28b2ob2o3b2o296b2o109b2o18b2o33b2o3bo24b2o2b3o13bo3bo2bo36bo4bo
bo29bo45b3o32b3o51b3o2b2o28bo66b2o2b2o$2o6b2o123b2o46b2o19b2o190b2o36b
2o386b2o19b2o23b2o10b2o3b2o15bobo23b2o2bo16bo3b2o38bo2bo2bo23bo4bobo
169bo$8b2o171b2o637b2o44b2o10b2o3b2o15b2o29bo13b3o41b3o3b2o25bo2bo2bo
167b3o6b2o$1020b3o3b2o48b2o28b2o7b2o45b2o2b2o37b2o$1071b2o2bo2bo27b2o
7b2o45b2o2b2o4b2o91b2o$1071b2o3b2o94b2o24b2o65b2o$1198b2o72$151bo3bo6b
2o117b2o40bo$152bo2b3o3bobo117b2o17bo23bo2b2o$150b3o5bo3bo94bo43bo2b2o
16b3o2b2o16bo$157b2o25b2o52bo19bo17bo22b3o2b2o40bo$129b2o53b2o53bo16b
3o18bo66b3o104bo$8b2o27b2o22b2o59bo6b2o26b2o78b3o2b2o17b2o12b3o2b2o
170bo$8b2o27b2o18bo3b2o11bo48bo27b2o4b2o4b2o77b2o17b2o17b2o168b3o$58bo
16bo19bo4b2o19b3o27b2o10b2o15bo120b2o20b2o21b2o3b2o29bo$31bo24b3o14b3o
20bo3b2o79bo31bo22b2o18b2o43b2o20b2o21b2o3b2o21bo5b3o27bo13bo$32bo45b
2o14b3o30bo51b3o32bo21b2o18b2o117bo3bo23b2o6bo13bo24bo$6bo23b3o45b2o
46bobo55b2o26b3o158b3o3b2o22b2o4b3o11b3o23bobo$7bo74b2o16bo25b2o56b2o
230b2o30bo2bo$5b3o27b2o25b2o18b2o15bobo314b2o31b2o$10b2o23b2o25b2o35b
2o109b2o164b2o29b2o12b2o$10b2o172b2o23bobo164b2o28bobo11bobo$14b2o168b
2o23b2o169b2o25bo13bo$14b2o22b2o340b2o65b2o$38b2o407b2o!

[Hunting]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

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x = 5, y = 16, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$bo$b3o5$bo$obo$o2bo$b2o4$3b2o$3b2o!

Which was then followed by a synthesis after 10 minutes:

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x = 37, y = 30, rule = B2n3/S23-q
16bo$15bo19bo$15b3o16bo$34b3o10$2bo$2bobo$2b2o4$11bo$9b2o$bo8b2o$2o$ob
o4$10b2o$10bobo$10bo!

I finally made a synthesis completely by myself!!!

But, IT IS USELESS AND BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad you didn't found this when I made the rule. It would be as interesting as my 5G knightship synth - ofc they are no longer interesting anymore.

Read the "dvgrn's two dollars" carefully, please, that's what we would care about.

EDIT: Also:

Until you know how to construct something -- anything! -- that can be used to build logic circuitry, you won't have a universal constructor.

If this were in Life, what will you do to synthesis it by that reaction?

The closest analogy is the way Remini builds the p30-based glider guns that it uses for reflectors and splitters. You'll need a library of one-time turners and splitters that can build your guns starting from a single trigger glider, similar to this for the Remini:

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x = 440, y = 658, rule = B3/S23
177b2o$177bobo$178bo3$180b2o19b2o$179bo2bo18b2o$180bobo$181bo37$142bo$
141bobo$141b2o3$115b2o33b2o$114bobo32bo2bo$115bo33bobo$150bo4$135b2o$
120b2o12bobo$119bo2bo10bobo$119bobo12bo$120bo2$95b2o123b2o$94bobo123b
2o$95bo2$136bo$135bobo41bo$134bobo41bobo$134b2o42b2o$161b2o$161bobo$
151b2o9b2o9b2o$139b2o9bobo20b2o$139b2o9b2o18$179bo$178bobo8b2o$177bobo
8bobo$177b2o8bobo$188bo2$200bo$198b3o$166b2o29bo$165bobo29b2o$166bo4$
178b2o$178b2o$171b2o$170bo2bo20b2o$170bobo20bobo$171bo21b2o$164b2o$
163bobo$164bo6$191b2o$191bobo$192b2o8$288b2o$288b2o$193b2o$193b2o4$
189b2o$188bobo$189bo6$79bo$78bobo$78b2o9$256b2o$256bo$254bobo$254b2o2$
245b2o$222b2o20bobo$222b2o9b2o9b2o$233bobo$234b2o$217b2o42b2o$216bobo
41bobo$63bo153bo41bobo$62bobo195bo$63b2o4$349b2o$348bo2bo$262bo24bo61b
obo$248b2o11bobo22bobo61bo4bo$248b2o10bobo23b2o66bobo$260b2o93b2o3$
282b2o$246bo35b2o$89bo155bobo$88bobo153bo2bo$89b2o154b2o2$307b2o$80b2o
172b2o51b2o$79bo2bo170bobo$80bobo159b2o10bo$81bo159bobo$242bo40b2o$
283bobo$284b2o8$81bo$70b2o8bobo199b2o21bo$70bobo8bobo197bobo20bobo$71b
obo8b2o197b2o20bo2bo$72bo231b2o2$65b2o$65b2o$93b2o$93bobo$94bo215bo$
309bobo$309b2o$281b2o$281b2o2$88b2o198bo$65b2o20bo2bo196bobo8b2o$65bob
o20bobo195bobo8bobo$66b2o21bo196b2o8bobo$297bo8$68b2o$67bobo21b2o$26bo
40b2o21bobo$25bobo63bo205bo$26b2o10bo257bobo$37bobo255bo2bo$38b2o48b2o
206b2o$87bo2bo$87bobo$29b2o57bo216b2o$28bo2bo272bobo$29bobo273bo$30bo
35b2o$66b2o3$44b2o93b2o$32b2o10bobo23b2o66bobo$32b2o11bobo22bobo61bo4b
o$46bo24bo61bobo$132bo2bo$133b2o5$44bo$bo41bobo$obo41bobo$b2o42b2o$18b
2o$17bobo$6b2o9b2o9b2o$6b2o20bobo$29b2o2$38b2o$38bobo$40bo$40b2o10b2o$
52bobo$54bo255bo$54b2o253bobo$309b2o3$127bo$126bobo$127b2o3$118b2o33b
2o$117bo2bo32bobo152b2o$118bobo33bo153bobo$119bo130b2o57bo$249bobo$
250bo2$133b2o$133bobo12b2o$134bobo10bo2bo$135bo12bobo$149bo6$133bo$90b
o41bobo$89bobo41bobo$90b2o42b2o201b3o$107b2o228bo$106bobo229bo$95b2o9b
2o9b2o$95b2o20bobo9b2o$118b2o9b2o4$293bo$292bobo$292b2o4$66bo$66b3o$
69bo137bo$68b2o136bobo$206b2o4$90bo$79b2o8bobo$79bobo8bobo$80bobo8b2o
192b2o$81bo203bobo$286bo$69bo$69b3o$72bo29b2o$71b2o29bobo$103bo$315b3o
$198b2o115bo$198bobo115bo$90b2o107bo$90b2o$97b2o$74b2o20bo2bo$74bobo
20bobo$75b2o21bo130b3o$104b2o123bo$104bobo123bo$105bo5$283b3o$77b2o
204bo$76bobo205bo$76b2o10$75b2o$75b2o4$79b2o$79bobo$80bo260$414b3o$
414bo$415bo5$422b2o$422bobo$422bo6$429b3o$429bo$430bo5$437b2o$437bobo$
437bo!

(shoulder explanation)

So the signals used to control the elbow can only be on a single lane?

Well, that's if a single-channel Remini-like search in LeapLife works out. I suspect you'll find that there's no workable way to reflect signals at p22, using mechanisms that you can construct with gliders. Or at least you won't be able to split (copy) those signal streams. In that case, you'll just have to use a higher-period gun as your basic logical mechanism, and find a working glider splitting mechanism at that period.

But then I suspect a single-channel search will run out of options. It's quite possible that you won't find a universal set of elbow operations based on just sending or not-sending a glider toward an elbow every 44 or 66 or 88 generations.

But All Is Not Lost
That doesn't mean you have to give up hope, though! It just gets a little more complicated... if you can split and reflect p66 glider streams, let's say, then maybe you'll have to aim _two_ parallel intermittent p66 streams at an elbow object. If two streams isn't enough, you could use three or more streams -- whatever it takes to get a universal set of recipes.

Then you'd use these "two-channel" or "three-channel" recipes to move the elbow forward and backward, and produce sideways gliders that gradually build up a copy of your circuitry, using one-time turners and splitters as needed.

You'd also need to build a series of reflectors that would allow you to reflect the two or three or however many channels' worth of recipe information, and keep them in exact synchrony with each other for the next time that they're needed -- e.g., at the other end of a Demonoid. Or if you have your recipes stored in a series of memory loops inside a universal constructor, then the loops all have to be the same length. Or you could pull tricks like the one in the 10hd and 0hd Demonoids, and store multiple streams of data in series instead of in parallel.

Still A Long Way To Go
There are lots of things that could be tried. But none of them are what you'd call easy. They all imply writing some search scripts to build libraries of elbow operations. Then you'd probably write more scripts to combine those recipes in ways that would let you build the logic structures you'll need to build. It's possible to do most of this stuff by hand, but it might take months or years of effort to put all the pieces together.

[JP21]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

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x = 5, y = 16, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo$bo$b3o5$bo$obo$o2bo$b2o4$3b2o$3b2o!

Which was then followed by a synthesis after 10 minutes:

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x = 37, y = 30, rule = B2n3/S23-q
16bo$15bo19bo$15b3o16bo$34b3o10$2bo$2bobo$2b2o4$11bo$9b2o$bo8b2o$2o$ob
o4$10b2o$10bobo$10bo!

I finally made a synthesis completely by myself!!!

But, IT IS USELESS AND BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad you didn't found this when I made the rule. It would be as interesting as my 5G knightship synth - ofc they are no longer interesting anymore.

Read the "dvgrn's two dollars" carefully, please, that's what we would care about.

EDIT: Also:
Thanks for your reply. That is extremely helpful.

a library of one-time turners and splitters

Thanks to JP21, we are likely to have that.

If this were in Life, what will you do to synthesis it by that reaction?

The closest analogy is the way Remini builds the p30-based glider guns that it uses for reflectors and splitters. You'll need a library of one-time turners and splitters that can build your guns starting from a single trigger glider, similar to this for the Remini:

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x = 440, y = 658, rule = B3/S23
177b2o$177bobo$178bo3$180b2o19b2o$179bo2bo18b2o$180bobo$181bo37$142bo$
141bobo$141b2o3$115b2o33b2o$114bobo32bo2bo$115bo33bobo$150bo4$135b2o$
120b2o12bobo$119bo2bo10bobo$119bobo12bo$120bo2$95b2o123b2o$94bobo123b
2o$95bo2$136bo$135bobo41bo$134bobo41bobo$134b2o42b2o$161b2o$161bobo$
151b2o9b2o9b2o$139b2o9bobo20b2o$139b2o9b2o18$179bo$178bobo8b2o$177bobo
8bobo$177b2o8bobo$188bo2$200bo$198b3o$166b2o29bo$165bobo29b2o$166bo4$
178b2o$178b2o$171b2o$170bo2bo20b2o$170bobo20bobo$171bo21b2o$164b2o$
163bobo$164bo6$191b2o$191bobo$192b2o8$288b2o$288b2o$193b2o$193b2o4$
189b2o$188bobo$189bo6$79bo$78bobo$78b2o9$256b2o$256bo$254bobo$254b2o2$
245b2o$222b2o20bobo$222b2o9b2o9b2o$233bobo$234b2o$217b2o42b2o$216bobo
41bobo$63bo153bo41bobo$62bobo195bo$63b2o4$349b2o$348bo2bo$262bo24bo61b
obo$248b2o11bobo22bobo61bo4bo$248b2o10bobo23b2o66bobo$260b2o93b2o3$
282b2o$246bo35b2o$89bo155bobo$88bobo153bo2bo$89b2o154b2o2$307b2o$80b2o
172b2o51b2o$79bo2bo170bobo$80bobo159b2o10bo$81bo159bobo$242bo40b2o$
283bobo$284b2o8$81bo$70b2o8bobo199b2o21bo$70bobo8bobo197bobo20bobo$71b
obo8b2o197b2o20bo2bo$72bo231b2o2$65b2o$65b2o$93b2o$93bobo$94bo215bo$
309bobo$309b2o$281b2o$281b2o2$88b2o198bo$65b2o20bo2bo196bobo8b2o$65bob
o20bobo195bobo8bobo$66b2o21bo196b2o8bobo$297bo8$68b2o$67bobo21b2o$26bo
40b2o21bobo$25bobo63bo205bo$26b2o10bo257bobo$37bobo255bo2bo$38b2o48b2o
206b2o$87bo2bo$87bobo$29b2o57bo216b2o$28bo2bo272bobo$29bobo273bo$30bo
35b2o$66b2o3$44b2o93b2o$32b2o10bobo23b2o66bobo$32b2o11bobo22bobo61bo4b
o$46bo24bo61bobo$132bo2bo$133b2o5$44bo$bo41bobo$obo41bobo$b2o42b2o$18b
2o$17bobo$6b2o9b2o9b2o$6b2o20bobo$29b2o2$38b2o$38bobo$40bo$40b2o10b2o$
52bobo$54bo255bo$54b2o253bobo$309b2o3$127bo$126bobo$127b2o3$118b2o33b
2o$117bo2bo32bobo152b2o$118bobo33bo153bobo$119bo130b2o57bo$249bobo$
250bo2$133b2o$133bobo12b2o$134bobo10bo2bo$135bo12bobo$149bo6$133bo$90b
o41bobo$89bobo41bobo$90b2o42b2o201b3o$107b2o228bo$106bobo229bo$95b2o9b
2o9b2o$95b2o20bobo9b2o$118b2o9b2o4$293bo$292bobo$292b2o4$66bo$66b3o$
69bo137bo$68b2o136bobo$206b2o4$90bo$79b2o8bobo$79bobo8bobo$80bobo8b2o
192b2o$81bo203bobo$286bo$69bo$69b3o$72bo29b2o$71b2o29bobo$103bo$315b3o
$198b2o115bo$198bobo115bo$90b2o107bo$90b2o$97b2o$74b2o20bo2bo$74bobo
20bobo$75b2o21bo130b3o$104b2o123bo$104bobo123bo$105bo5$283b3o$77b2o
204bo$76bobo205bo$76b2o10$75b2o$75b2o4$79b2o$79bobo$80bo260$414b3o$
414bo$415bo5$422b2o$422bobo$422bo6$429b3o$429bo$430bo5$437b2o$437bobo$
437bo!

So the signals used to control the elbow can only be on a single lane?

Well, that's if a single-channel Remini-like search in LeapLife works out. I suspect you'll find that there's no workable way to reflect signals at p22, using mechanisms that you can construct with gliders. Or at least you won't be able to split (copy) those signal streams. In that case, you'll just have to use a higher-period gun as your basic logical mechanism, and find a working glider splitting mechanism at that period.

But then I suspect a single-channel search will run out of options. It's quite possible that you won't find a universal set of elbow operations based on just sending or not-sending a glider toward an elbow every 44 or 66 or 88 generations.

But All Is Not Lost
That doesn't mean you have to give up hope, though! It just gets a little more complicated... if you can split and reflect p66 glider streams, let's say, then maybe you'll have to aim _two_ parallel intermittent p66 streams at an elbow object. If two streams isn't enough, you could use three or more streams -- whatever it takes to get a universal set of recipes.

Then you'd use these "two-channel" or "three-channel" recipes to move the elbow forward and backward, and produce sideways gliders that gradually build up a copy of your circuitry, using one-time turners and splitters as needed.

You'd also need to build a series of reflectors that would allow you to reflect the two or three or however many channels' worth of recipe information, and keep them in exact synchrony with each other for the next time that they're needed -- e.g., at the other end of a Demonoid. Or if you have your recipes stored in a series of memory loops inside a universal constructor, then the loops all have to be the same length. Or you could pull tricks like the one in the 10hd and 0hd Demonoids, and store multiple streams of data in series instead of in parallel.

Still A Long Way To Go
There are lots of things that could be tried. But none of them are what you'd call easy. They all imply writing some search scripts to build libraries of elbow operations. Then you'd probably write more scripts to combine those recipes in ways that would let you build the logic structures you'll need to build. It's possible to do most of this stuff by hand, but it might take months or years of effort to put all the pieces together.

Cuz it is useless and boring.

[Naszvadi]

Is the first really a splitter? Its SE output is 3-glider(closely spaced) and I don't see a way to convert it into a single glider.

The second have period problem. It is p198.

The second one has more serious problems: it needs a contiguous P220 stream in order to keep its period.

Howewer, experimenting with only one gun and one eater:
RLE

Ha, funny! The lanes of those gliders are pretty close though so it is probably not easy to handle.

Any ideas on edgeshooting the unstable thing in the p22 synth final step?

EDIT you should try the p110 guns or others instead of p22, see dvgrn's post.

I am absolutely aware about dvgrn's recommendations. However, I like playing with glider streams, like eliminating intersecting barrels, keeping only 3:

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x = 103, y = 130, rule = B2n3/S23-q
91bo$90bobo$89bo$91bo$88bobo$87bo3b2o$86bo2bobo$88bo$84bo3bo$83bo3bo$
82bo2b2o$80bo3bo$79bo2bo$78bo2bob2o$79bo3bo2$89bo$89b2o$89b2o$90b2o$
83bo4bobo$81b2o5b2ob3o$82b2o4b3ob2o$91b3obo$92b2o$93b5o$76bobo15b4o$
76b2o17bobobo$77bo18bob4o$96b2o2b3o$96b3o$72bo$70b2o$71b2o4$65bobo$65b
2o$66bo3$61bo$59b2o$60b2o4$54bobo$54b2o$55bo3$50bo$48b2o$49b2o4$43bobo
$43b2o$44bo3$39bo$37b2o$38b2o4$32bobo$32b2o$33bo3$28bo$26b2o$27b2o2$
41bo$40bobo$21bobo17b2o$21b2o$22bo$49bo$48b2o$17bo29b2obo$15b2o31b2o$
16b2o34bo$50b2obo$51bobo$51b2ob2o$10bobo40bo2bo$10b2o41b3o$11bo43bo2bo
$57bob2o$57b3o$6bo51bo$4b2o$5b2o2$bo$obo$2o24$58b2o$57b2o$59bo!

[dvgrn]

A splitter based on p22 guns wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as it recovered quickly enough to be used on whatever period of intermittent streams are holding the universal-constructor recipe data.

But finding a splitter based on, say, p66 guns shouldn't be too hard, given that 90-degree reflectors and inverters and so forth are trivial. What kind of catalysts have been collected in this rule? Seems like blocks would work sometimes, and maybe even fishhook eaters, but not in exactly the same situations as in B3/S23. With p66 guns it seems like the p6 traffic lights will be useful as catalysts.

Is there a way to suppress the right side of this glider-producing p66 reaction using p6 TLs or other catalysts, so that the kickback glider happens ever 66 ticks?

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x = 66, y = 132, rule = B2n3/S23-q
42b2o$25b2o14bo2bo$24bob2o13bo2bo$23bo2bo13bob3o$22b2obo13b4o$22bobo
13bob2o$22b2o14bo$19b3o14b2o2bo$18b2obo13bo$3o14bo2bo13b3obo$o2bo12bo
2bo12b2ob2o$bo2bo11b3o12bo2b2o$2b2o13bo13bo2bo$4b2o26b3o$6bo$6bobo8bo$
7bobo5bobo19b2o$7bo2bo5b2o18bo2bo$8bobo24b2o2b2o$9b2o20bo4bo4bo$22bo6b
2o$23bo6b2o6bo3bo$21b3o15b2obo$43b2o$41bo4bo$43bo3bo$28bo14bo3b2o$26bo
bo15bo4bo$27b2o20bo$46b3o$47bo12$44bo$45bo$43b3o15$61bo$59bobo$60b2o3$
63b3o$65bo$64bo14$47b2o$46bobo$48bo15$30b3o$32bo$19bobo9bo$19b2o$20bo
25b3o$16bo29b2o2b3o$15bobo9bo18bob4o$15b2o9b3o16bobobo$26bo2bo14b4o$
27b2o14b5o$42b2o$19b3o19b3obo$11bo9bo10b2o4b3ob2o$11b2o7bo10b2o5b2ob3o
$10bob2o19bo4bobo$11b2o27b2o$8bo30b2o$7bob2o6b3o19b2o$7bobo6bo2bo19bo$
5b2ob2o6bo2b2o$4bo2bo9b2ob2o7bo3bo$5b3o11b3obo4bo2bob2o$2bo2bo14bo8bo
2bo$2obo17b2o2bo4bo3bo$b3o19bo8bo2b2o$2bo20bob2o6bo3bo$24b4o6bo3bo$25b
ob3o8bo$26bo2bo6bo2bobo$26bo2bo7bo3b2o$27b2o9bobo$41bo$39bo$40bobo$41b
o!

Maybe there's a way to get a splitter by interacting with that reaction somehow.

[JP21]

A splitter based on p22 guns wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as it recovered quickly enough to be used on whatever period of intermittent streams are holding the universal-constructor recipe data.

But finding a splitter based on, say, p66 guns shouldn't be too hard, given that 90-degree reflectors and inverters and so forth are trivial. What kind of catalysts have been collected in this rule? Seems like blocks would work sometimes, and maybe even fishhook eaters, but not in exactly the same situations as in B3/S23. With p66 guns it seems like the p6 traffic lights will be useful as catalysts.

Is there a way to suppress the right side of this glider-producing p66 reaction using p6 TLs or other catalysts, so that the kickback glider happens ever 66 ticks?

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x = 66, y = 132, rule = B2n3/S23-q
42b2o$25b2o14bo2bo$24bob2o13bo2bo$23bo2bo13bob3o$22b2obo13b4o$22bobo
13bob2o$22b2o14bo$19b3o14b2o2bo$18b2obo13bo$3o14bo2bo13b3obo$o2bo12bo
2bo12b2ob2o$bo2bo11b3o12bo2b2o$2b2o13bo13bo2bo$4b2o26b3o$6bo$6bobo8bo$
7bobo5bobo19b2o$7bo2bo5b2o18bo2bo$8bobo24b2o2b2o$9b2o20bo4bo4bo$22bo6b
2o$23bo6b2o6bo3bo$21b3o15b2obo$43b2o$41bo4bo$43bo3bo$28bo14bo3b2o$26bo
bo15bo4bo$27b2o20bo$46b3o$47bo12$44bo$45bo$43b3o15$61bo$59bobo$60b2o3$
63b3o$65bo$64bo14$47b2o$46bobo$48bo15$30b3o$32bo$19bobo9bo$19b2o$20bo
25b3o$16bo29b2o2b3o$15bobo9bo18bob4o$15b2o9b3o16bobobo$26bo2bo14b4o$
27b2o14b5o$42b2o$19b3o19b3obo$11bo9bo10b2o4b3ob2o$11b2o7bo10b2o5b2ob3o
$10bob2o19bo4bobo$11b2o27b2o$8bo30b2o$7bob2o6b3o19b2o$7bobo6bo2bo19bo$
5b2ob2o6bo2b2o$4bo2bo9b2ob2o7bo3bo$5b3o11b3obo4bo2bob2o$2bo2bo14bo8bo
2bo$2obo17b2o2bo4bo3bo$b3o19bo8bo2b2o$2bo20bob2o6bo3bo$24b4o6bo3bo$25b
ob3o8bo$26bo2bo6bo2bobo$26bo2bo7bo3b2o$27b2o9bobo$41bo$39bo$40bobo$41b
o!

Maybe there's a way to get a splitter by interacting with that reaction somehow.

Just like before, he wants us to complete something instead of himself.
The problem is that I tried making a reflector with a block included but it's several weeks and no progress.
Another problem is that I've been trying to make lower period kickback reactions work but none worked out. I've tried for many days as well.
Edit: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No progress for me because I only had my phone and computer is broken.

I only know how to make useless synthesises:

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x = 140, y = 37, rule = B2n3/S23-q
78bo$77bo$77b3o58bo$137bo$137b3o6$11bo$11bobo29bo$11b2o31bo$3bo38b3o
61bo$4bo102bo$2b3o100b3o2$62bo$62bobo$62b2o61bo$54bo70bobo$55bo69b2o$
53b3o61bo$118bo$116b3o2$2o$b2o$o4$54b3o$56bo$55bo61b3o$119bo$118bo!

Edit 2-3:
Yep, Synthesis keeps getting worse and worse (All by myself):

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x = 108, y = 48, rule = B2n3/S23-q
107bo$105b2o$106b2o11$91bo$12bo67bo9bo$10b2o69bo8b3o$11b2o20bo45b3o$
34bo$32b3o7bobo$42b2o$43bo2$15b3o57b3o$15bo61bo$5b3o8bo59bo$7bo$6bo$
26b2o$2o25b2o$b2o23bo$o15$61bo$61b2o$60bobo!

[dvgrn]

Here's something close to a signal duplicator:

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x = 214, y = 154, rule = B2n3/S23-q
170b2o$169bo$155b2o$154b2obo14bo$155bo2bo10bo$156bob2o8bo5bo$157bobo9b
o$158b2o10b2o$160b3o9bo$160bob2o9bo4bo$161bo2bo9bo18b3o$162bo2bo9bo4bo
12b2o2b3o$163b3o10bo6bo9bob4o$164bo11bo6bo8bobobo$177bobo2bo8b4o$178bo
11b5o$189b2o$188b3obo$156b3o2bobo21b3ob2o$155bo2bo3b2o13bo7b2ob3o$153b
o4bo3bo14bobo5bobo$153bo2bo20b2o8b2o$152bo2bo30b2o$151bob2o12bo18b2o$
149b2obo15b2o2bo13bo$152bo14b2o2bo$148bo2bo19b3o$147bo2bo$147bo$147b3o
$166bo$166bobo$166b2o3$68bo$68b2o14bo$67bobo13b2o$83bobo8$150bo$149bo$
149b3o4$51b2o$52b2o46b2o$51bo47b2o$101bo8$133bo$133bobo$133b2o3$35bo$
35b2o80bo$34bobo79b2o$116bobo18bo$130b2o4bobo$131bo3b2ob2o$130bobobo5b
o$135b2ob2o$136bobo$137bo$46bo3bo$45b2obo2bo$26b2o19bo2bo$25bo2bo16bo
3bo$26b2o15b2o2bo$42bo3bo$41bo3bo$18b2o21bo$19b2o10b2o5bobo2bo$9b3o6bo
12bobo3b2o3bo$11bo19bo7bobo72bo$8bo2bo26bo75b2o$7bo2bo29bo72bobo$6bo
10bo19bobo$6bob2o6b3o19bo$4b2obo7b2obo11b2o$3bo2bo10bo2bo7bo4bo$2bo2bo
14b3o5b3obo$o4bo13bo2bo5b2o3bo$o2bo16b2ob2o5bo$3o19bobo7bobo$22bob2o6b
ob2o$23bo9b4o$26b2o7b3o$25bob2o6bo3bobo$26b2o8b2o2bo$26bo15bo$38bobobo
54b2o$39b2o57b2o$39b3o55bo13$211b3o$81bo129bo$81b2o129bo$80bobo$100bo$
99b3o$98bo2bo$75b2o20bo2bo$76b2o2b2o14bob2o$62bo12bo4bobo13b3o$61bobo
16bo13b2o$60bo32bobo$62bo7bo21bob2o$59bobo8b2o19bo2bo$58bo3b2o5bobo13b
3o2b2obo$57bo2bobo22bo5b2o$59bo26bo$55bo3bo$54bo3bo$53bo2b2o11b3o$51bo
3bo9b3o2b2o$50bo2bo12b4obo11b3o$49bo2bob2o12bobobo10bo2bo$50bo3bo15b4o
10bo2bo$70b5o10b2o$74b2o11b2o$72bob3o12bo$74b2ob3o9bobo$74b3ob2o10bobo
$77bobo10bo2bo$76b2o13bobo$77b2o13b2o$77b2o$78bo!

It certainly produces two output gliders for one input glider. Unfortunately the SE output lane overlaps the NW input lane, so this can't be used to duplicate an intermittent p66 stream of gliders. Some other trick is needed to get a glider out, maybe continuing to the NW (?), while removing a glider from the SW-traveling stream.

EDIT: Oh, right. Pretty much any rule with glider kickbacks is going to have simple duplicator mechanisms, like this:

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x = 229, y = 222, rule = B2n3/S23-q
105b2o$88b3o13bo2bo$87bo2bo12b2o2b2o$85bo4bo11bo4bo$85bo2bo$84bo2bo13b
o3bo$83bob2o14bob2o$81b2obo14b2o$64bo19bo12bo4bo$63b3o14bo2bo12bo3bo$
63bo2bo12bo2bo12b2o3bo$64bo2bo11bo14bo4bo$65b2obo10b3o12bo$66b3o26b3o$
69b2o25bo$69bobo7bo$69b2obo7b2o18b2o$70bo2bo5b2o17bo4bo$71bob2o23b3obo
$72b2o24b2o3bo$91b3o6bo$84bobo2b5o8bobo$85b2o2bob3o8bob2o$38b2o45bo4b
2ob2o8b4o$38bobo53bo10b3o$38bo2bo49bobo11bo3bobo$39bobo64b2o2bo$40bobo
69bo$42bo65bobobo$43b2o64b2o$45b2o62b3o$44bo2bo$45bo2bo46bobo$46b3o47b
2o$96bo4$45bo$39b2o5bo$38bob2o2b3o$37bo2bo$36b2obo$36bobo$36b2o13bo$
33b3o13bobo$32b2obo14b2o$31bo2bo$30bo2bo78bo$30b3o17b2o61b2o$31bo18bob
o59b2o$53bo$49b2o2b2o$48bo2b4o$40b2o$39bo2bo19bo$39bo2bo17bobo$38bob3o
18b2o$37b4o6bo$36bob2o6b3o$36bo8bo$34b2o2bo6bo4bo$33bo12b2o3bo$32b3obo
10bo3bo$30b2ob2o13bo4bo$29bo2b2o16b2o76bobo$29bo2bo19bob2o73b2o54b2o$
30b3o19bo3bo72bo54bo2bo13b3o$183b2o2b2o12bo2bo$53bo4bo125bo4bo11bo4bo$
54b2o2b2o143bo2bo$55bo2bo19bo107bo3bo13bo2bo$56b2o21bo107b2obo14b2obo$
77b3o111b2o14bob2o$189bo4bo12bo19bo$191bo3bo12bo2bo14b3o$191bo3b2o12bo
2bo12bo2bo$192bo4bo14bo11bo2bo$197bo12b3o10bob2o$194b3o26b3o$195bo25b
2o$145bo66bo7bobo$146b2o42b2o18b2o7bob2o$145b2o41bo4bo17b2o5bo2bo$106b
2o81bob3o23b2obo$105bobo80bo3b2o24b2o$106bo84bo6b3o$187bobo8b5o2bobo$
95bo90b2obo8b3obo2b2o$93bobo89b4o8b2ob2o4bo$94b2o88b3o10bo$180bobo3bo
11bobo$181bo2b2o$179bo$179bobobo$181b2o$180b3o2$161bobo30bobo$162b2o
30b2o$162bo32bo4$111bo$112bo$110b3o15$128bo$126bobo$127b2o14$144bo$
145bo$143b3o15$161bo$159bobo$160b2o16$155b2o$154bo2bo$153b2o2b2o$152bo
4bo2$129b3o19bo3bo$128bo2bo19bob2o$128bo2b2o16b2o$129b2ob2o13bo4bo$
131b3obo10bo3bo$132bo12b2o3bo$133b2o2bo6bo4bo$135bo8bo$135bob2o6b3o$
136b4o6bo$137bob3o18b2o$138bo2bo17bobo$138bo2bo19bo$139b2o$147bo2b4o$
148b2o2b2o$152bo$130bo18bobo$129b3o17b2o$129bo2bo$130bo2bo$131b2obo14b
2o$132b3o13bobo$135b2o13bo$135bobo$135b2obo$bo134bo2bo$b2o134bob2o2b3o
$obo135b2o5bo$144bo5$145b3o$144bo2bo$143bo2bo$144b2o$142b2o$141bo$139b
obo$138bobo$137bo2bo$137bobo$137b2o!

This can be packed down into a much smaller space, of course, with lots of different output geometries.

EDIT2: Oops, but I momentarily forgot that the whole point was to build something that would work for a p66 intermittent stream of gliders. Because the darn rule includes 2n, that kickback mechanism doesn't move the glider quite far enough over to get it out of the way of a following glider. Is there a way to do a double kickback quickly enough to move a glider over another seven lanes, in time to get it safely out of reach of a following glider?

The reaction in the first pattern above, where two gliders colliding at 180 degrees make a sideways glider, is a really nice feature of the rule. It should make it a lot easier to build things like construction arms, without worrying about finding edge-shooting guns.

[Hunting]

The reaction in the first pattern above, where two gliders colliding at 180 degrees make a sideways glider, is a really nice feature of the rule.

I think of two guns, repeatedly producing vanish reactions; The input glider moves through the vanish spot and continues until he 180degree collide with the gun-fired glider, making a sideway glider. That would let the other gun's glider escape. That means two gliders on the same direction, but they are farenough and one of them can be reflected

[Naszvadi]

...
Edit 2-3:
Yep, Synthesis keeps getting worse and worse (All by myself):

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x = 108, y = 48, rule = B2n3/S23-q
107bo$105b2o$106b2o11$91bo$12bo67bo9bo$10b2o69bo8b3o$11b2o20bo45b3o$
34bo$32b3o7bobo$42b2o$43bo2$15b3o57b3o$15bo61bo$5b3o8bo59bo$7bo$6bo$
26b2o$2o25b2o$b2o23bo$o15$61bo$61b2o$60bobo!

Are you sure those syntheses are new?

[JP21]

...
Edit 2-3:
Yep, Synthesis keeps getting worse and worse (All by myself):

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x = 108, y = 48, rule = B2n3/S23-q
107bo$105b2o$106b2o11$91bo$12bo67bo9bo$10b2o69bo8b3o$11b2o20bo45b3o$
34bo$32b3o7bobo$42b2o$43bo2$15b3o57b3o$15bo61bo$5b3o8bo59bo$7bo$6bo$
26b2o$2o25b2o$b2o23bo$o15$61bo$61b2o$60bobo!

Are you sure those syntheses are new?

NOT sure...

[Naszvadi]

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x = 228, y = 101, rule = B2n3/S23-q
32$42b2o15bo82b2o15bo$42bobo12b2o83bobo12b2o$43bo14b2o83bo14b2o6$166b
2o$165bobo$47b2o4b2o92b2o4b2o11bo$46bobo4bobo90bobo4bobo$48bo4bo94bo4b
o4$41b3o14b3o80b3o14b3o$17bo25bo14bo58bo25bo14bo$16b3o23bo16bo13bo42b
3o23bo16bo13bo$16bo2bo53b2o41bo2bo53b2o$17bo2bo52b2o42bo2bo52b2o$18b2o
bo14b2o26b2o8b2o42b2obo14b2o26b2o8b2o$19b3o13bobo26bobo5bobo44b3o13bob
o26bobo5bobo$22b2o13bo26bo7b2ob3o44b2o13bo26bo7b2ob3o$22bobo47b3ob2o
44bobo47b3ob2o$22b2obo49b3obo42b2obo49b3obo$23bo2bo49b2o45bo2bo49b2o$
24bob2o2b3o32bo11b5o42bob2o2b3o32bo11b5o$25b2o5bo31bobo2bo8b4o43b2o5bo
31bobo2bo8b4o$31bo31bo6bo8bobobo47bo31bo6bo8bobobo$63bo6bo9bob4o77bo6b
o9bob4o$62bo4bo12b2o2b3o75bo4bo12b2o2b3o$61bo18b3o78bo18b3o$60bo4bo94b
o4bo$32b3o24bo72b3o24bo$31bo2bo22b2o72bo2bo22b2o$30bo2bo22bo73bo2bo22b
o$31b2o22bo5bo69b2o22bo5bo$29b2o25bo72b2o25bo$28bo30bo68bo30bo$26bobo
97bobo$25bobo28bo68bobo28bo$24bo2bo29b2o65bo2bo29b2o$24bobo97bobo$24b
2o98b2o!

0..90..180 degree turner: p(22*n) compatible for for all n with certain fixed k: n>=k

[JP21]

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x = 228, y = 101, rule = B2n3/S23-q
32$42b2o15bo82b2o15bo$42bobo12b2o83bobo12b2o$43bo14b2o83bo14b2o6$166b
2o$165bobo$47b2o4b2o92b2o4b2o11bo$46bobo4bobo90bobo4bobo$48bo4bo94bo4b
o4$41b3o14b3o80b3o14b3o$17bo25bo14bo58bo25bo14bo$16b3o23bo16bo13bo42b
3o23bo16bo13bo$16bo2bo53b2o41bo2bo53b2o$17bo2bo52b2o42bo2bo52b2o$18b2o
bo14b2o26b2o8b2o42b2obo14b2o26b2o8b2o$19b3o13bobo26bobo5bobo44b3o13bob
o26bobo5bobo$22b2o13bo26bo7b2ob3o44b2o13bo26bo7b2ob3o$22bobo47b3ob2o
44bobo47b3ob2o$22b2obo49b3obo42b2obo49b3obo$23bo2bo49b2o45bo2bo49b2o$
24bob2o2b3o32bo11b5o42bob2o2b3o32bo11b5o$25b2o5bo31bobo2bo8b4o43b2o5bo
31bobo2bo8b4o$31bo31bo6bo8bobobo47bo31bo6bo8bobobo$63bo6bo9bob4o77bo6b
o9bob4o$62bo4bo12b2o2b3o75bo4bo12b2o2b3o$61bo18b3o78bo18b3o$60bo4bo94b
o4bo$32b3o24bo72b3o24bo$31bo2bo22b2o72bo2bo22b2o$30bo2bo22bo73bo2bo22b
o$31b2o22bo5bo69b2o22bo5bo$29b2o25bo72b2o25bo$28bo30bo68bo30bo$26bobo
97bobo$25bobo28bo68bobo28bo$24bo2bo29b2o65bo2bo29b2o$24bobo97bobo$24b
2o98b2o!

0..90..180 degree turner: p(22*n) compatible for for all n with certain fixed k: n>=k

Yeah that's definitely not a low period.
Unrelated and Off-topic:
Hunting will have bad spelling I presume.

[Naszvadi]

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Edit 2-3:
Yep, Synthesis keeps getting worse and worse (All by myself):

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x = 108, y = 48, rule = B2n3/S23-q
107bo$105b2o$106b2o11$91bo$12bo67bo9bo$10b2o69bo8b3o$11b2o20bo45b3o$
34bo$32b3o7bobo$42b2o$43bo2$15b3o57b3o$15bo61bo$5b3o8bo59bo$7bo$6bo$
26b2o$2o25b2o$b2o23bo$o15$61bo$61b2o$60bobo!

Are you sure those syntheses are new?

NOT sure...

The last one oscillator synthesis' two glider-cleanup had been known, but I think the initial configuration consists of dual P2s with two blocks synth using 3 gliders seems to be new altought it has other 3-glider synths.