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[muzik]

Is there actually alternation going on here? I'm pretty sure that since the middle cell is always surrounded by an even number of cells, and that only every odd generation has survival conditions which are even, that the middle cell would be dying, but it stays alive, which implies to me that there's something wrong. I could be a complete idiot however and there's something obvious I'm not picking up on.

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x = 65, y = 55, rule = R2,C0,S1,3,5,7,9,11,B1,3,5,7,9,11,NN|R2,C0,S0,2,4,6,8,10,12,B1,3,5,7,9,11,NN
o!

EDIT: after further testing, it seems as though only the first couple of generations alternate, and then it just carries on with one rule:

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x = 100, y = 100, rule = R45,C0,M1,S2885..4923,B2500..4973,NM|R45,C0,M1,S0..8281,B8281..8281,NM
40b20o$36b9o10b9o$34b7o5b8o5b7o$32b6o6b12o6b6o$30b6o6b16o6b6o$28b6o5b
22o5b6o$27b5o5b26o5b5o$25b6o3b32o3b6o$24b5o4b34o4b5o$22b6o3b38o3b6o$
21b6o2b42o2b6o$20b6o2b44o2b6o$19b6o2b46o2b6o$18b6ob50ob6o$16b7ob52ob7o
$15b7ob54ob7o$15b6ob56ob6o$14b6ob58ob6o$13b6ob60ob6o$12b6ob62ob6o$11b
6ob64ob6o$10b6ob66ob6o$9b6ob68ob6o$9b82o$8b84o$7b5ob74ob5o$7b4ob76ob4o
$6b4ob78ob4o$5b90o$5b43o4b43o$4b4ob34o14b34ob4o$4b37o18b37o$3b37o20b
37o$3b3ob32o22b32ob3o$3b34o26b34o$2b4ob29o28b29ob4o$2b33o30b33o$2b32o
32b32o$b33o32b33o$b32o34b32o$b31o36b31o$b31o36b31o$31o38b31o$31o38b31o
$31o38b31o$30o40b30o$30o40b30o$30o40b30o$30o40b30o$31o38b31o$31o38b31o
$31o38b31o$31o38b31o$3ob27o38b27ob3o$3ob28o36b28ob3o$b3ob27o36b27ob3o$
b3ob27o36b27ob3o$b2o3b27o34b27o3b2o$b3o2b28o32b28o2b3o$b3o3b27o32b27o
3b3o$2b2o3b28o30b28o3b2o$2b3o2b29o28b29o2b3o$2b3o3b29o26b29o3b3o$3b3o
2b30o24b30o2b3o$3b3o3b30o22b30o3b3o$4b3o2b32o18b32o2b3o$4b3o3b32o16b
32o3b3o$5b3o2b34o12b34o2b3o$5b3o3b78o3b3o$6b3o3b76o3b3o$6b4o2b76o2b4o$
7b4o2b74o2b4o$7b4o3b72o3b4o$8b4o2b72o2b4o$9b4o2b70o2b4o$9b5o2b68o2b5o$
10b5o2b66o2b5o$11b6ob64ob6o$12b6ob62ob6o$13b6ob60ob6o$13b7ob58ob7o$14b
7ob56ob7o$15b7ob54ob7o$16b7ob52ob7o$17b7ob50ob7o$18b7ob48ob7o$19b7ob
46ob7o$20b8ob42ob8o$22b7ob40ob7o$23b8ob36ob8o$24b8o2b32o2b8o$26b8o2b
28o2b8o$27b9o2b24o2b9o$29b10o2b18o2b10o$31b10o2b14o2b10o$33b34o$35b30o
$38b24o$41b18o$48b4o!

[rowett]

... it seems as though only the first couple of generations alternate, and then it just carries on with one rule

This should be fixed, thanks.

[muzik]

Fixed for Moore, but not von Neumann.

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x = 65, y = 55, rule = R2,C0,S0,2,4,6,8,10,12,B1,3,5,7,9,11,NN|R2,C0,S0-12,B,NN
o!

[rowett]

Fixed for Moore, but not von Neumann.

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x = 65, y = 55, rule = R2,C0,S0,2,4,6,8,10,12,B1,3,5,7,9,11,NN|R2,C0,S0-12,B,NN
o!

True I've not fixed that yet.

[rowett]

Fixed for Moore, but not von Neumann.

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x = 65, y = 55, rule = R2,C0,S0,2,4,6,8,10,12,B1,3,5,7,9,11,NN|R2,C0,S0-12,B,NN
o!

True I've not fixed that yet.

Should now be fixed.

[muzik]

Great!

I'm planning on committing a new batch of rule names soon. Can you check you've got all of the ones currently on all-rules that LifeViewer supports? Mini Bugs seems to be missing from the list of aliases in LifeViewer.

[rowett]

Can you check you've got all of the ones currently on all-rules that LifeViewer supports? Mini Bugs seems to be missing from the list of aliases in LifeViewer.

Done.

[rowett]

Will it be possible to change the used rule from within the viewer?

It's on the backlog with the editor.

[muzik]

Are there any plans to support isotropic non-totalistic rules that use the range-2 von Neumann neighbourhood?

In other news, I've set up a new merge request for the Catagolue project including even more rule names.

[rowett]

Are there any plans to support isotropic non-totalistic rules that use the range-2 von Neumann neighbourhood?

What is the rule syntax?

[muzik]

Are there any plans to support isotropic non-totalistic rules that use the range-2 von Neumann neighbourhood?

What is the rule syntax?

Here's a prototype for a syntax. It can get a bit long and unwieldy, though, since there is quite a lot of transitions.

EDIT: I'm currently implementing an alternative syntax as suggested on the thread.

[muzik]

The new rule aliases have been merged.

[muzik]

Looks like the Globe alias is assigned to a rule with M1 when it should be M0. Probably a mistake on my end.

[Moosey]

I see a new build has been released.
Gustavo's dreams of an editor have been realized!

[toroidalet]

With multistate LTL rules, opening the LifeViewer and advancing it by one generation causes it to freeze. Opening a non-multistate pattern shows it advanced a generation.

[muzik]

I've made a post including the alternative notation: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3808&p=70205#p70205

[rowett]

With multistate LTL rules, opening the LifeViewer and advancing it by one generation causes it to freeze. Opening a non-multistate pattern shows it advanced a generation.

Do you have an example pattern where this happens?

[toroidalet]

Perhaps it's because of my old browser, but it will do this with any multistate LTL pattern (not 2-state LTL or totalistic/non-totalistic generations). I haven't tried multistate HROT patterns, but they probably do this too.

EDIT: they do.

Clicking "Show in Viewer" for patterns in multistate LTL/HROT rules displays normally, but clicking the play or advance buttons causes it to freeze. Clicking the "Show in Viewer" button for any multistate LTL/HROT pattern results in a blank rectangle. Upon viewing a 2-state (or normal generations) pattern, it will show it on Gen 1.

[rowett]

Perhaps it's because of my old browser

No it's actually a bug, well spotted. It's now fixed and will be in the next released build.

[muzik]

Why is text in the help menu still cyan?

[rowett]

Why is text in the help menu still cyan?

Because I like cyan.

[muzik]

Fair enough.

EDIT: looks like the new build's out!

[rowett]

Fair enough.

EDIT: looks like the new build's out!

True. Unfortunately multi-state LtL is broken so I'm waiting for that fix to be released and then I'll publish the release notes.

[muzik]

Brilliant.

(If you can fit it in somehow, can you correct the Globe alias and Waving human intestines alias to use M0 instead of M1?)

[rowett]

(If you can fit it in somehow, can you correct the Globe alias and Waving human intestines alias to use M0 instead of M1?)

Sure, but I'll keep it as an M1 rule for consistency (and just adjust the survival counts by 1).

You'll need to fix all-rules.txt in Catagolue: r8b74t252s162t222