Catagolue Oddities

[77topaz]

Theyare both there for me?

For me, the object page for the block-plus-ship says it has a glider synthesis, but when you click on it, it says "invalid pattern" and doesn't show a synthesis.

[77topaz]

Several failures in one rule:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1 ... ikr5eijr6i
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1 ... ikr5eijr6i
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1 ... ikr5eijr6i

The worst is the middle one, which is just a parent of a block.

[cordership3]

apgluxe incorrectly classifies both these soups as containing an "ov_p0". Strangely, the ash in both soups is the same set of objects, a block and a xs19_c8bjo33z33.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2-ac3aei4ae6i8/S23-ejq8
bbboboboboobobbo$
bbobbbbbbobobbbo$
obobbooooooobobb$
ooobbbbooboboobb$
bbobbboboobobbob$
obobboboooboboob$
obbobbbboooooobo$
bbooboboobobbbob$
obbbooooobboboob$
obbbobobbobooooo$
obbbobboobbbbbbo$
bbbbobobbbbobbbb$
boobboboooobbbbo$
obbbbobboooobobb$
booboboobobbbooo$
oobbbbbooobooobb!

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2-ac3aei4ae6i8/S23-ejq8
ooobbobooobbobbb$
obbbbobobbboboob$
oobooboobbbobobo$
bbooboobbobbbobo$
booooobboooboobo$
ooobobobobooobbo$
ooboobbbbboobboo$
oboobbboboboobbb$
bboobooobobobobb$
bobbbboooboooobb$
obbbobobbbbobbbb$
ooooooooboboobob$
ooboooobboooobbo$
obooboooobbbbooo$
ooobbbobobbooobo$
bbobbooobbbbobbo!

[dani]

No sample soups?

[muzik]

Amusingly enough, this still exists:
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs7 ... 4t45s34t58

[2718281828]

Here the two oscillators are not correctly separated:

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x = 33, y = 13, rule = B2ik3-jn4ceijk5r/S1e2aci3-k4ty
bo$3o13bo$5o10b3o$3o13bo$bo$27b3o$27b3o$27b3o$24b3o3b3o2$28bo$28bo$28bo!

(.https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 2aci3-k4ty)

It should be:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 2aci3-k4ty

This is weird as they are not even close to each other.

[Majestas32]

Their envelopes overlap causing apgsearch to think it is one object

[apg]

Their envelopes overlap. There was a rationale for not separating oscillators with overlapping envelopes, which hung on the existence of a Reflectorless Rotating Oscillator.

[Majestas32]

Or potentially others such as a reflector less flipping osc or reflector less C2 rotating oscillators (semi-RRO's?)

[Apple Bottom]

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$ cat [...] | grep -i unban
b2ci3ai4c8s02ae3eijkq4i5ar6i7e/UnbanMajestas32
b2-a3cs12-i/unbanmajestas32_32x32
b2ci3ai4c8s02ae3ejkq4i5ar6i7-c/UnbanMajestas32
b2ci3ai4c8s02a3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e/UnbanMajestas32
b2ci3ai4c8s02ae3ejkq4iz5ar6i7e/UnbanMajestas32
b2-a3cs012-i/UnbanMajestas32
b3s24/UnbanMajestas32
$ 

[77topaz]

Yep, wwei23 is responsible for those.

[77topaz]

Why are the b3s23/C1 backup censuses now showing up in the leaderboard?

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[apg]

That's because someone has done the very naughty thing of creating a backup of a backup, and they show up if the number of layers of backup is even.

[Majestas32]

I blame wwei

[wwei23]

I didn’t actually do it that time. What if you submit soups to a backup?

[Majestas32]

With a hacced apgsearch? Try it on a movero8 backup census

[wwei23]

That's because someone has done the very naughty thing of creating a backup of a backup, and they show up if the number of layers of backup is even.

There was s backup of a crack up of a backup.

[Majestas32]

That was me

[Majestas32]

Also double backups show up in the symmetry list for a census CV like movero8 which can be convenient (e.g. on mobile)

[77topaz]

That's because someone has done the very naughty thing of creating a backup of a backup, and they show up if the number of layers of backup is even.

Now there's five of them on the leaderboard. They'll go away if you delete the double-backups, right?

[apg]

That's because someone has done the very naughty thing of creating a backup of a backup, and they show up if the number of layers of backup is even.

Now there's five of them on the leaderboard. They'll go away if you delete the double-backups, right?

Deleted. These annoying backups seem to originate from Huntington, NY.

[77topaz]

Deleted. These annoying backups seem to originate from Huntington, NY.

Good. And as for Huntington, NY, that seems suspiciously close to where wwei23 said he lived...

[dani]

It may be wise to implement something server-side to stop said double backups from happening. I remember there was a rule (a boring move variant I searched) with a weird phantom symmetry that was showing up in the symmetry list despite being a backup, maybe it's related to it.

Also, wwei and majestas, if you could refrain from posting a combined 7 one liners in a row that would be great

[77topaz]

For future reference, Calcyman has now implemented code to prevent double backups from being possible (he mentioned this on the Discord).

[Gamedziner]

Why not just make it so that backing up an odd number of backups backs it up twice? Then it would always go from odd to odd.