Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Post by AforAmpere »

If someone can find reactions like this that pushes an object, pulls it, and shoots a glider, the orthogonoid for this rule is easy:

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x = 112, y = 46, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
18$13b2o14b2o21b2o17b2o21bo$14bo15bo22bo18bo$13b2o14b2o21b2o17b2o2$94b
o!
The thing to use as an arm:

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x = 110, y = 228, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
10$38bo$40bo$39b2o3$39bo$37b5o$37bo3bo$36b2obob2o$37bo3bo$37b5o$39bo
40bo$78b5o$67b2o9bo3bo5bo$66b2obo7b2obob2o2bo$67b2o9bo3bo3b2o$78b5o$
80bo47$39bo$38bobo$38b3o$39bo28$55bo$53bo$53b2o$39bo6bo$38bobo3b5o$38b
3o3bo3bo5bo$39bo3b2obob2o2b5o3b2o$44bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$44b5o2b2obob2o4bo$
46bo5bo3bo$52b5o$44b2o8bo$34b2o8bo12bo$35bo10bo8b5o$33bo6bo14bo3bo$54b
2obob2o$42b2o11bo3bo$42bo12b5o$44bo12bo2$55bo$53b5o$53bo3bo$52b2obob2o
$53bo3bo$53b5o$55bo2$53bo$51b5o$51bo3bo$50b2obob2o$51bo3bo$51b5o$53bo
2$51bo$49b5o$49bo3bo$48b2obob2o$49bo3bo$49b5o$51bo2$49bo$47b5o$47bo3bo
$46b2obob2o$47bo3bo$47b5o$49bo2$51bo$49b5o$49bo3bo$48b2obob2o$49bo3bo$
49b5o$51bo2$49bo$47b5o$47bo3bo$46b2obob2o$47bo3bo$47b5o$49bo3$49bo$47b
5o$47bo3bo$46b2obob2o$47bo3bo$47b5o$49bo$31bo$23bo5b5o$25bo3bo3bo37b2o
$24b2o2b2obob2o37bo$29bo3bo37b2o$29b5o$31bo5bo36bo$35b5o32b5o$35bo3bo
32bo3bo$34b2obob2o30b2obob2o$35bo3bo32bo3bo$35b5o32b5o$37bo36bo3$37b2o
34b2o$37bo35bo$39bo35bo11$53bo3$53bo$50bo!
The torch of 5S has been passed on again, and is now managed by speedydelete. It can be found here. Also check out my program EPE, a tool for searching for patterns in various rulespaces.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Post by dani »

I used AforAmpere's device to build a Golly ticker:

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x = 1495, y = 286, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
1481bo$1479bo$1479b2o3$1480bo$1478b5o$1478bo3bo$1477b2obob2o$1480bo$
1480bo$1008bo470b3o$1006b5o469bo$1000bo5bo3bo62b2o66b2o134b2o134b2o$
1002bo2b2obob2o60bob2o64bob2o132bob2o132bob2o$1001b2o3bo3bo62b2o66b2o
134b2o134b2o$1006b5o3bo$1008bo4b3o$1013bobo$1014bo7$1085bo$1087bo$
1078bo7b2o$1076b5o$1070bo5bo3bo$1068b5o2b2obob2o3bo$1062bo5bo3bo3bo3bo
2b5o$1060b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2bo3bo5bo$1038bo15bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo3b2obob2o
2bo$1036b5o11b5o2b2obob2o2b5o10bo3bo3b2o$1021bo8bo5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3b
o5bo12b5o$1019b5o4b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o20bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5bo$1018b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o30bo$1019bo3b
o4bo3bo5bo5bo3bo5bo30b5o$o1018b5o4b5o11b5o36bo3bo$1021bo8bo15bo33bo3b
2obob2o$1082bo2bo3bo390bo$1075bo5b2o2b5o389bobo$1077bo9bo391b3o$1076b
2o402bo5bo$1484b5o$1008bo70bo239b2o32b2o32b2o66b2o27bo3bo3b2o$1000bo5b
5o307b2obo30b2obo30b2obo64b2obo25b2obob2o2bo$1002bo3bo3bo308b2o32b2o
32b2o66b2o27bo3bo5bo$1001b2o2b2obob2o472b5o$1006bo3bo475bo$1006b5o69b
2o$1008bo5bo66bo$1012b5o62bo401bo$1012bo3bo462bo$1011b2obob2o461b2o$
1012bo3bo$1012b5o$1014bo465bo$1478b5o$1478bo3bo$1014b2o461b2obob2o$
1014bo465bo$1016bo463bo$1008bo470b3o$1006b5o469bo$1000bo5bo3bo62b2o66b
2o134b2o134b2o$1002bo2b2obob2o60bob2o64bob2o132bob2o132bob2o$1001b2o3b
o3bo62b2o66b2o134b2o134b2o$1006b5o3bo$1008bo4b3o$1013bobo$1014bo7$
1085bo$1087bo$1078bo7b2o$1076b5o$1070bo5bo3bo$1068b5o2b2obob2o3bo$
1062bo5bo3bo3bo3bo2b5o$1060b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2bo3bo5bo$1038bo15bo5bo3bo
3bo3bo5bo3b2obob2o2bo$1036b5o11b5o2b2obob2o2b5o10bo3bo3b2o$1021bo8bo5b
o3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo12b5o$1019b5o4b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o20bo$
1019bo3bo4bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5bo$1018b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob
2o2b5o30bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo5bo5bo3bo5bo30b5o$o1018b5o4b5o11b5o36bo3bo$
1021bo8bo15bo33bo3b2obob2o$1082bo2bo3bo$1075bo5b2o2b5o$1077bo9bo$1076b
2o408bo$1484b5o$1008bo70bo239b2o134b2o27bo3bo3b2o$1000bo5b5o307b2obo
132b2obo25b2obob2o2bo$1002bo3bo3bo308b2o134b2o27bo3bo5bo$1001b2o2b2obo
b2o472b5o$1006bo3bo475bo$1006b5o69b2o$1008bo5bo66bo$1012b5o62bo401bo$
1012bo3bo462bo$1011b2obob2o461b2o$1012bo3bo$1012b5o$1014bo465bo$1478b
5o$1478bo3bo$1014b2o461b2obob2o$1014bo465bo$1016bo463bo$1008bo470b3o$
1006b5o469bo$1000bo5bo3bo62b2o32b2o32b2o134b2o134b2o$1002bo2b2obob2o
60bob2o30bob2o30bob2o132bob2o132bob2o$1001b2o3bo3bo62b2o32b2o32b2o134b
2o134b2o$1006b5o3bo$1008bo4b3o$1013bobo$1014bo7$1085bo$1087bo$1078bo7b
2o$1076b5o$1070bo5bo3bo$1068b5o2b2obob2o3bo$1062bo5bo3bo3bo3bo2b5o$
1060b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2bo3bo5bo$1038bo15bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo3b2obob2o2bo$
1036b5o11b5o2b2obob2o2b5o10bo3bo3b2o$1021bo8bo5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo
12b5o$1019b5o4b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o20bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo5bo$1018b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o30bo$1019bo3bo4b
o3bo5bo5bo3bo5bo30b5o$o1018b5o4b5o11b5o36bo3bo$1021bo8bo15bo33bo3b2obo
b2o$1082bo2bo3bo$1075bo5b2o2b5o$1077bo9bo$1076b2o408bo$1484b5o$1008bo
70bo239b2o66b2o66b2o27bo3bo3b2o$1000bo5b5o307b2obo64b2obo64b2obo25b2ob
ob2o2bo$1002bo3bo3bo308b2o66b2o66b2o27bo3bo5bo$1001b2o2b2obob2o472b5o$
1006bo3bo475bo$1006b5o69b2o$1008bo5bo66bo$1012b5o62bo401bo$1012bo3bo
462bo$1011b2obob2o461b2o$1012bo3bo$1012b5o$1014bo465bo$1478b5o$1478bo
3bo$1014b2o461b2obob2o$1014bo465bo$1016bo463bo$1008bo470b3o$1006b5o
469bo$1000bo5bo3bo96b2o168b2o134b2o$1002bo2b2obob2o94bob2o166bob2o132b
ob2o$1001b2o3bo3bo96b2o168b2o134b2o$1006b5o$1008bo9$1085bo$1087bo$
1078bo7b2o$1076b5o$1070bo5bo3bo$1068b5o2b2obob2o3bo$1062bo5bo3bo3bo3bo
2b5o$1060b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2bo3bo5bo$1038bo15bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo3b2obob2o
2bo$1036b5o11b5o2b2obob2o2b5o10bo3bo3b2o$1021bo8bo5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3b
o5bo12b5o$1019b5o4b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o20bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5bo$1018b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o30bo$1019bo3b
o4bo3bo5bo5bo3bo5bo30b5o$o1018b5o4b5o11b5o36bo3bo$1021bo8bo15bo33bo3b
2obob2o$1082bo2bo3bo$1075bo5b2o2b5o$1077bo9bo$1076b2o408bo$1484b5o$
1008bo70bo239b2o66b2o66b2o27bo3bo3b2o$1000bo5b5o307b2obo64b2obo64b2obo
25b2obob2o2bo$1002bo3bo3bo308b2o66b2o66b2o27bo3bo5bo$1001b2o2b2obob2o
472b5o$1006bo3bo475bo$1006b5o69b2o$1008bo5bo66bo$1012b5o62bo401bo$
1012bo3bo462bo$1011b2obob2o461b2o$1012bo3bo$1012b5o$1014bo465bo$1478b
5o$1478bo3bo$1014b2o461b2obob2o$1014bo465bo$1016bo463bo$1008bo470b3o$
1006b5o469bo$1000bo5bo3bo96b2o100b2o32b2o32b2o66b2o32b2o32b2o$1002bo2b
2obob2o94bob2o98bob2o30bob2o30bob2o64bob2o30bob2o30bob2o$1001b2o3bo3bo
96b2o100b2o32b2o32b2o66b2o32b2o32b2o$1006b5o3bo$1008bo4b3o$1013bobo$
1014bo7$1085bo$1087bo$1078bo7b2o$1076b5o$1070bo5bo3bo$1068b5o2b2obob2o
3bo$1062bo5bo3bo3bo3bo2b5o$1060b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2bo3bo5bo$1038bo15bo5bo
3bo3bo3bo5bo3b2obob2o2bo$1036b5o11b5o2b2obob2o2b5o10bo3bo3b2o$1021bo8b
o5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3bo5bo12b5o$1019b5o4b5o2b2obob2o2b5o2b2obob2o2b5o
20bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5bo$1018b2obob2o2b2obob2o2b5o2b
2obob2o2b5o30bo$1019bo3bo4bo3bo5bo5bo3bo5bo30b5o$o1018b5o4b5o11b5o36bo
3bo$1021bo8bo15bo33bo3b2obob2o$1082bo2bo3bo390bo$1075bo5b2o2b5o389bobo
$1077bo9bo391b3o$1076b2o402bo5bo$1484b5o$1008bo70bo239b2o32b2o32b2o66b
2o27bo3bo3b2o$1000bo5b5o307b2obo30b2obo30b2obo64b2obo25b2obob2o2bo$
1002bo3bo3bo308b2o32b2o32b2o66b2o27bo3bo5bo$1001b2o2b2obob2o472b5o$
1006bo3bo475bo$1006b5o69b2o$1008bo5bo66bo$1012b5o62bo$1012bo3bo$1011b
2obob2o$1012bo3bo$1012b5o$1014bo3$1014b2o$1014bo$1016bo!
Obviously not that optimized, however the emission time of each glider is.

I spent somewhere between 15 and 20 minutes making this. Period is 2072
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Post by 2718281828 »

danny wrote: EDIT: Signal splitters:

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RLE
Very nice.
With this recipe:

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x = 123, y = 28, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
$63bobo30b2o$63b3o29bob2o$96b2o$26bo40bo$24b5o86b3o$24bo3bo86bo$23b2ob
ob2o78bo6b2o$24bo3bo79bobo$24b5o79b3o$26bo$23bo38bo39bo$21b3o36b3o2bo
34b3o15b2o$21bo4bo33bo39bo17bo$20b2o37b2o38b2o17b2o$16bo7b2o29bo7b2o
30bo7b2o3bo$14b5o5bo28b5o5bo29b5o5bo3b3o$8bo5bo3bo3b3o22bo5bo3bo3b3o
23bo5bo3bo3b3o3bobo$6b5o2b2obob2o2bo22b5o2b2obob2o2bo23b5o2b2obob2o2bo
6bo$6bo3bo3bo3bo26bo3bo3bo3bo27bo3bo3bo3bo$5b2obob2o2b5o25b2obob2o2b5o
9b3o14b2obob2o2b5o$6bo3bo5bo28bo3bo5bo11bobo15bo3bo5bo$b3o2b5o34b5o35b
5o$bobo4bo38bo39bo$bo!
A snowflake signal can be transformed into a G/R. Maybe there is a simpler reconstruction with G's and R's but I did not find any. In general, I there are better ways for transforming a snowflake signal into a G/R.

EDIT1:
Maybe something better could be done using:

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x = 47, y = 26, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
42bo$40bo$36bo3b2o$34b5o$34bo3bo$33b2obob2o$34bo3bo$34b5o$36bo$33bo$
31b3o$31bo4bo$30b2o$26bo7b2o$24b5o5bo$18bo5bo3bo3b3o$16b5o2b2obob2o2bo
$16bo3bo3bo3bo$15b2obob2o2b5o$16bo3bo5bo$11b3o2b5o$11bobo4bo$11bo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Reporting unsatisfiability of the following search:
$ ./lls -S lingeling -b 10 16 --symmetry "D2|" -p 9 -x 0 -y 1 -r B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e -i
SoL : FreeElectronics : DeadlyEnemies : 6a-ite : Rule X3VI
what is “sesame oil”?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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p138*n gun utilizing a new reaction:

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x = 86, y = 39, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2bo80bo$3o12bo54bo12b3o$o12bo58bo12bo$13b2o56b2o$7bo3bo62bo3bo$6b2o3bo
62bo3b2o$7bo2b2o62b2o2bo$11bo62bo$8b3o64b3o$7b5o3bo54bo3b5o$2b2o4b3o3b
2obo50bob2o3b3o4b2o$3bo7bo3bo54bo3bo7bo$bo8bo4b2o52b2o4bo8bo$10b2o62b
2o3$8bo68bo2$7b2o$7bo$7b2o$bo$8bo68bo3$10b2o62b2o$bo8bo4b2o52b2o4bo8bo
$3bo7bo3bo54bo3bo7bo$2b2o4b3o3b2obo50bob2o3b3o4b2o$7b5o3bo54bo3b5o$8b
3o64b3o$11bo62bo$7bo2b2o62b2o2bo$6b2o3bo62bo3b2o$7bo3bo62bo3bo$13b2o
56b2o$o12bo58bo12bo$3o12bo54bo12b3o$2bo80bo!
Interestingly, the dots stay in their place after reflecting and emitting the glider.

The p138 t shuttle itself:

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x = 18, y = 14, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2bo$3o12bo$o12bo$13b2o$7bo3bo$6b2o3bo$7bo2b2o$11bo$8b3o$7b5o3bo$2b2o4b
3o3b2obo$3bo7bo3bo$bo8bo4b2o$10b2o!
Expect a bunch more t shuttles to come.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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danny wrote:p138*n gun utilizing a new reaction:
This reaction is suitable for many more guns. We just need a suitable dot sparking oscillator. E.g. a p32 gun:

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x = 25, y = 21, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4bo15bo$2b3o15b3o$2bo19bo3$5bo3bo5bo3bo2$5bo13bo2$5bo13bo$2o21b2o$o23b
o$2bo19bo$4bo15bo$11b3o$11bobo2$8b2o5b2o$9bo5bo$7bo9bo$11bo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Nice guns! I couldn't find any previously-unknown T-shuttles. However, one of my shuttles failed and became a period 2 oscillator that I haven't seen before. Here is the last step for a synthesis:

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x = 20, y = 9, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
8bo3bo$10bo2$b2o15b2o$ob2o14bo$b2o15b2o2$10bo$8bo3bo!
Is there a stable snowflake signal->G converter? How would we go about finding such a thing?

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2718281828 wrote:I'd wonder if there is a 5-cell pattern which last more than 100 generations
116M:

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x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
o2$o2$o4$2bo4$o!
113M:

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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
o$7bo$o2$o4$2bo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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A couple of guns using the new gun technique (period 44, 36, 32, 36, 45, 28, 35, 40, 24):

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x = 46, y = 262, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2$28bo$30bo$29b2o3$31bo3$31bo3$31bo2$31bo2b2o$34bo$18bo14b2o$20bo$19b
2o2$17bo8b2o$25bob2o$26b2o2$19b2o$20bo$18bo14b2o$34bo$31bo2b2o2$31bo3$
31bo3$31bo3$29b2o$30bo$28bo6$27bo3bo$29bo2$29bo$33b2o$24bo6bobo$16bo9b
o8bo$18bo6b2o$17b2o8bo2$15bo11b2o$28bo$27b2o2$17b2o8bo$18bo6b2o$16bo9b
o8bo$24bo6bobo$33b2o$29bo2$29bo$27bo3bo5$21b2o10b2o$21b2o3bo6bo$25b2o
8bo$18bo2bo4bo6b3o$11bo8bob2o9bo$13bo5b2ob2o$12b2o7bo2$10bo10b2o$22bo$
21b2o2$12b2o7bo$13bo5b2ob2o$11bo8bob2o9bo$18bo2bo4bo6b3o$25b2o8bo$21b
2o3bo6bo$21b2o10b2o10$27b2o$28bo$28b2o2$24bobo$29b2o$16bo12bo$18bo9b2o
$17b2o2$15bobo2bo$17bo$17bo2bo2$17b2o$18bo9b2o$16bo12bo$29b2o$24bobo2$
28b2o$28bo$27b2o5$32b2o$33bo$28b2o3b2o$28bobo$27b3o$28bobo3b2o$28b2o4b
o$33b2o$18bo13bo$16b5o$10bo5bo3bo11b2o$12bo2b2obob2o11bo$11b2o3bo3bo
11b2o$16b5o$18bo13bo$33b2o$28b2o4bo$28bobo3b2o$27b3o$28bobo$28b2o3b2o$
33bo$32b2o7$34bo2$24b2o9bo$18bo6bo2bobobo$20bo4b2o$19b2o2$17bo7b2o$24b
ob2o$25b2o2$19b2o$20bo4b2o$18bo6bo2bobobo$24b2o9bo2$34bo5$34bo2$24b2o
9bo$25bo2bobobo$14bo10b2o$12b5o$6bo5bo3bo$8bo2b2obob2o7b2o$7b2o3bo3bo
7bob2o$12b5o8b2o$14bo2$25b2o$25bo2bobobo$24b2o9bo2$34bo7$31b2o$29bo2bo
$29b2o2$27b2o$26bobo$27b2obo$28bo5b2o$20bo4bo2b2o4bo$22bo10b2o$21b2o9b
o2$19bo12b2o$33bo$32b2o2$21b2o9bo$22bo10b2o$20bo4bo2b2o4bo$28bo5b2o$
27b2obo$26bobo$27b2o2$29b2o$29bo2bo$31b2o4$27bo$25b2obo$20bo4b2o7b2o$
30bobo2bo$21bobo5b4o2b2o$30bobo$19b2o4b2o$20bo4b2obo$20b2o5bo2$18bo8b
2o$28bo$27b2o2$20b2o5bo$20bo4b2obo$19b2o4b2o$30bobo$21bobo5b4o2b2o$30b
obo2bo$20bo4b2o7b2o$25b2obo$27bo!
However, I failed to get a period smaller than 24. For smaller odd period (e.g. 23, 25,27,29,31) we would need a fast 180° colour changing G reflector.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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2718281828 wrote: And this one a p17 pseudo G-gun:

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x = 18, y = 21, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
10bo$9bobo$9b3o$10bo8$16b2o$16bo$16b2o$6b2o$5bob2o$b2o3b2o6b2o$2bo7bo
3bo$3o6bobo2b3o$9b3o$10bo!
A recipe for a p15 pseudo gun:

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x = 69, y = 32, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3$20bobo28bobo$20b3o28b3o3$47bo$46bobo$46b3o$47bo5$7b3o$9bo5b2o29b2o$
8b2o4bob2o15b2o10bob2o15b2o$15b2o3bobo10bo12b2o3bobo10bo$20b3o10b2o16b
3o10b2o$26b2o29b2o$25b2obo27b2obo$26b2o29b2o$33b2o29b2o$33bo30bo$33b2o
29b2o!
And something on 180° G reflectors. I am not sure if we observed that the colour preserving reflectors can be used to reflect a 2G salvo of even period. For all periods of 4N, the p2 reflector can be used to reflect any salvo of arbitrary length. It allows something like stack oscillators.

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x = 110, y = 86, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4$49bo55bo$47bo55bo$21b2o24b2o54b2o$10b2o4b2o4bo51b2o$9bob2o2bob2o3b3o
11b2o5b2o16b2o6b2o4bo14b2o7b2o$10b2o4b2o3bo2bo10bob2o3bob2o14bob2o4bob
2o3b3o11bob2o5bob2o$22bo13b2o5b2o5bo10b2o6b2o3bo2bo12b2o7b2o5bo$20bob
2o51bo$22bo24b2o24bob2o26b2o$24bo22bo27bo27bo$49bo27bo27bo7$62b2o$41b
2o6b2o6b2o4bo$40bob2o4bob2o4bob2o3b3o$41b2o6b2o6b2o3bo2bo$63bo$61bob2o
$63bo$65bo5$65bo$63bo$63b2o2$41b2o7b2o7b2o$40bob2o5bob2o5bob2o$41b2o7b
2o7b2o5bo2$63b2o$63bo$65bo9$63b2o$18b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o4bo$17bob2o
4bob2o4bob2o4bob2o4bob2o4bob2o3b3o$18b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o3bo2bo$64b
o$62bob2o$64bo$66bo6$63b2o$28b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4bo$27bob2o2bob2o
2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o3b3o$28b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o3bo2bo$64bo$62bo
b2o$64bo$66bo5$23b2o38b2o$23bo4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4bo$21b3o3bob2o
2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o3b3o$21bo2bo3b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o3bo
2bo$23bo40bo$22b2obo36bob2o$23bo40bo$21bo44bo!
The salvo stack also works for arbitrary sequences:

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x = 115, y = 9, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2b2o107b2o$2bo31b2o16b2o4b2o16b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o4bo$3o30bob2o14bob2o
2bob2o14bob2o2bob2o8bob2o2bob2o2bob2o3b3o$o2bo30b2o16b2o4b2o16b2o4b2o
10b2o4b2o4b2o3bo2bo$2bo109bo$b2obo105bob2o$2bo109bo$o113bo!
EDIT1:
We can easily build a simple golly ticker with it.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Heh, the mechanism of that "stack oscillator" rather reminds me of a spring bouncing back and forth. :P
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Sadly, the salvo stack reflector has different speeds for different salvos:

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x = 115, y = 18, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2b2o107b2o$2bo31b2o16b2o4b2o16b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o4bo$3o30bob2o14bob2o
2bob2o14bob2o2bob2o8bob2o2bob2o2bob2o3b3o$o2bo30b2o16b2o4b2o16b2o4b2o
10b2o4b2o4b2o3bo2bo$2bo109bo$b2obo105bob2o$2bo109bo$o113bo3$2b2o107b2o
$2bo31b2o16b2o4b2o22b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o4bo$3o30bob2o14bob2o2bob2o20bob2o
8bob2o2bob2o2bob2o3b3o$o2bo30b2o16b2o4b2o22b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o3bo2bo$2bo
109bo$b2obo105bob2o$2bo109bo$o113bo!
So that won't work.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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2718281828 wrote:We can easily build a simple golly ticker with it.
I assume this is what you meant? (Put into one of its obscure phases just so the 'decompression' will look better):

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x = 290, y = 36, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4b2o278b2o$4bo180b2o4b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o6b2o10b2o6b2o
4b2o10bo$2b3o180bo5bo5bo11bo5bo4bo2bo4bo5bo4bo8bo11bo6bo6bo10b3o$2bo
182b2o4b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o6b2o10b2o6b2o4b2o12bo$4bo
280bo$3b2obo276bob2o$4bo280bo$2bob2o278b2obo$o3bo180b2o6b2o4b2o4b2o4b
2o4bo2bo4b2o6b2o4b2o6b2o4b2o10b2o8b2o8bo3bo$2b3o180bo8bo5bo5bo5bo13bo
6bo6bo6bo6bo11bo8bo9b3o$2bo182b2o6b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4bo2bo4b2o6b2o4b2o6b
2o4b2o10b2o8b2o10bo$4bo280bo$3b2obo276bob2o$4bo280bo$2bob2o278b2obo$o
3bo180b2o10b2o8b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4bo2bo10bo2bo10b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o10bo3bo$2b
3o180bo11bo10bo2bo4bo5bo33bo5bo5bo4bo11b3o$2bo182b2o10b2o8b2o2b2o2b2o
4b2o4bo2bo10bo2bo10b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o12bo$4bo280bo$3b2obo276bob2o$4bo280b
o$2bob2o278b2obo$o3bo180bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4bo2bo4b2o6b2o10b2o
12b2o10b2o10bo3bo$2b3o189bo5bo2bo4bo5bo13bo6bo11bo14bo10bo11b3o$2bo
182bo2bo4b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4bo2bo4b2o6b2o10b2o12b2o10b2o12bo$4bo280bo
$3b2obo276bob2o$4bo280bo$2bob2o278b2obo$o3bo180b2o4b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o4b
2o10b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o6b2o4b2o4b2o2b2o8bo3bo$2b3o180bo5bo5bo11bo5bo5bo11b
o5bo5bo6bo6bo5bo5bo4bo8b3o$2bo182b2o4b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o
4b2o6b2o4b2o4b2o2b2o10bo$4bo280bo$3b2obo276bob2o$4bo280bo$2bo284bo!
I had to put the weird bit at the end because it simply wouldn't work without.
I made it exactly p1000, too. :P
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danny wrote:I had to put the weird bit at the end because it simply wouldn't work without.
I made it exactly p1000, too. :P
Yeah, because each of the sections need to have the same number of gliders, otherwise they'll have different periods and go out of phase.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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77topaz wrote:
danny wrote:I had to put the weird bit at the end because it simply wouldn't work without.
I made it exactly p1000, too. :P
Yeah, because each of the sections need to have the same number of gliders, otherwise they'll have different periods and go out of phase.
This is not a huge problem (and might be even useful in some cases). The ticker could look like this:

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x = 276, y = 39, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
16b2o240b2o$16bo11b2o2b2o10b2o4b2o4b2o2b2o8b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o167bo$
14b3o11bo4bo11bo5bo5bo2bo10bo2bo4bo5bo4bo168b3o$12bobo13b2o2b2o10b2o4b
2o4b2o2b2o8b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o169bobo$14b3o242b3o$16bobo238bobo$15b2o
242b2o2$16b2o234b2o$16bo7b2o10bo2bo10b2o12b2o10bo2bo10b2o161bo$14b3o8b
o25bo12bo25bo162b3o$12bobo9b2o10bo2bo10b2o12b2o10bo2bo10b2o163bobo$14b
3o236b3o$16bobo232bobo$15b2o236b2o2$16b2o238b2o$16bo9b2o6b2o4b2o10b2o
8b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o6b2o165bo$14b3o10bo6bo6bo11bo8bo4bo2bo5bo6bo6bo
166b3o$12bobo11b2o6b2o4b2o10b2o8b2o2b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o6b2o167bobo$14b3o
240b3o$16bobo236bobo$15b2o240b2o2$16b2o232b2o$16bo9b2o6b2o4b2o10b2o10b
2o4b2o6b2o171bo$14b3o10bo6bo6bo11bo11bo4bo8bo171b3o$12bobo11b2o6b2o4b
2o10b2o10b2o4b2o6b2o173bobo$14b3o234b3o$16bobo230bobo$15b2o234b2o2$16b
2o246b2o$16bo5b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o8b2o4b2o4bo2bo10b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o
171bo$14b3o6bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo10bo5bo19bo5bo2bo4bo171b3o$12bobo7b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o8b2o4b2o4bo2bo10b2o4b2o2b2o2b2o173bobo$14b3o248b3o$16b
obo244bobo$15b2o248b2o!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Can this be extended?:

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x = 42, y = 11, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
6b2o26b2o$7bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$5bo30bo$b2o2b3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2b3o2b2o$2bobo2bo26bo2bobo$o2bo6bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo6bo2b
o$3obo2bo26bo2bob3o$2bo2b3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o2bo$5bo30bo$7bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$6b2o26b2o!
I personally think it's interesting to work with so few transitions and to see what's possible.
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danny wrote:Can this be extended?:

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cool stripey agar
Yes:

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x = 32, y = 24, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2bo26bo$3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o$o30bo$2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo$3o26b3o$o4bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo4bo$2bo26bo$3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2b3o$o30bo$2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$3o26b3o$o4bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo4bo$2bo26bo$3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o$o30bo$2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$3o26b3o$o4bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo4bo$2bo26bo$
3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o$o30bo$2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$3o
26b3o$o30bo!
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danny wrote:Can this be extended?:

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oscillator
I personally think it's interesting to work with so few transitions and to see what's possible.
Well, duh:

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x = 104, y = 39, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
15$11b2o74b2o$12bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$10bo78bo$6b2o2b3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o2b2o$7bobo2bo74bo2bob
o$5bo2bo6bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo6bo2bo$5b3obo2bo74bo2bob3o$7bo2b3o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b3o2bo$10bo78bo$12bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo$11b2o74b2o!
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T-Shuttle can eat a G:

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x = 73, y = 50, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
9$15bo$13b3o12bo$13bo12bo$26b2o$19bobo$18bo2$23bo$21b2o$19bo2bo$15b2o
2b3o8bo$16bo11bo$14bo13b2o3$45b2o$45bo$45b2o!
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Lots of things can eat G's.

p9 semi-edgy corner sparker:

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x = 14, y = 15, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2bo$4bo$3b2o$b2o$2bo3b2o$o6bo$3o3b2o$2bo$3b2o$4bo4bo$2bo6bo$9bo$5b2o5b
2o$6bo2bo2bo$6b2o3b2o!
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danny wrote:Lots of things can eat G's.

p9 semi-edgy corner sparker:

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rle
Related p9 splitter:

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x = 25, y = 27, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
11bobo$11b3o16$6bo11bo$3bo2b3o7b3o2bo$b3o4bo7bo4b3o$bo21bo$2o3b2o11b2o
3b2o$2bobob2o9b2obobo$2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$bo21bo$b3o17b3o$3bo17bo!
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Ooh, that reduction. You can cap it off with a dot to make it fully period 9, and it can make a p36+36n gun like you posted on the discord.

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#C p36 Gun by BlinkeRspawn
x = 25, y = 22, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3bo17bo$b3o17b3o$bo21bo$2o3b2o4b3o4b2o3b2o$6bo4bobo4bo$2o3b2o11b2o3b2o
$bo21bo$b3o4bo7bo4b3o$3bo2b3o2bobo2b3o2bo$6bo4b3o4bo3$6bo11bo$3bo2b3o
7b3o2bo$b3o4bo7bo4b3o$bo21bo$2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$6bo11bo$2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$b
o21bo$b3o17b3o$3bo17bo!
A small variant of the gun that allows for p54+36n:

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x = 42, y = 29, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4bo32bo2$3bobo30bobo$b3ob3o26b3ob3o$bo5bo26bo5bo$2o5b2o24b2o5b2o2$3bob
o30bobo$3b3o2b2o22b2o2b3o$8bo24bo$7b2o24b2o3$17b2o4b2o$18bo4bo$17b2o4b
2o3$7b2o24b2o$8bo24bo$3b3o2b2o22b2o2b3o$3bobo30bobo2$2o5b2o24b2o5b2o$b
o5bo26bo5bo$b3ob3o26b3ob3o$3bobo30bobo2$4bo32bo!
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Single-barrel p36+36N, p45+36N, and p63+36N families as well:

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x = 89, y = 29, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
45bo$43bo$43b2o$74bo3bo3$76bo$41b2o3b2o$42bobobo26bo5bo$42b5o29bo$10bo
3bo29bo27bo7bo$7bo9bo$9bo5bo$8b2o5b2o6$6bo11bo19bo11bo19bo11bo$3bo2b3o
2bobo2b3o2bo13bo2b3o2bobo2b3o2bo13bo2b3o2bobo2b3o2bo$b3o4bo2b3o2bo4b3o
9b3o4bo2b3o2bo4b3o9b3o4bo2b3o2bo4b3o$bo21bo9bo21bo9bo21bo$2o3b2o11b2o
3b2o7b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$2bobob2o9b2obobo11bobob2o9b2obo
bo11bobob2o9b2obobo$2o3b2o11b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$
bo21bo9bo21bo9bo21bo$b3o17b3o9b3o17b3o9b3o17b3o$3bo17bo13bo17bo13bo17b
o!
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Wow, I think this has about as much, if not more potential than GoL.
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Now, pseudo-gun should be constructable for all periods >= 15 (p15, p16, p17+):

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x = 95, y = 29, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3$83bo$17bobo29bobo30bobo$17b3o29b3o30b3o$83bo8$89b2o$52b2o35bo$4b3o
45bo36b2o$6bo5b2o38b3o24b2o$5b2o4bob2o15b2o27b2o17bob2o$12b2o3bobo10bo
28bo14b2o3b2o6b2o$17b3o10b2o17bobo7b3o13bo7bo3bo$23b2o19b3o2b3o2b3o16b
3o6bobo2b3o$22b2obo20bo7bo27b3o$23b2o20b2o7b2o27bo$30b2o$30bo$30b2o!
I did not manage to get something with period <= 14.

However, using the new gun technique, it might be possible (add a dot-spark at the left hand figure at generation 4 - so that it looks like the second figure - alternatively an R):

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x = 52, y = 19, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4$24b3o$24bobo$9b3o28b3o$7bobobobo24bobobobo2bo$45b3o$24bobobo17bo$24b
3o$7bo14bo15bo$12bo14bo15bo$6b3ob3o8b3ob3o9b3ob3o$7bo2bo11bo2bo12bo2bo
$5bo3b2o9bo3b2o10bo3b2o!
However, we would need a very specific p14 (or p28 - left - right mixed) sparking oscillator.
Does someone know a method to construct such an oscillator?
dani
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

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Fun period 21 oscillator (21P21):

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x = 12, y = 10, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
5bo$2bo4bo$3o3b2o$o$2bo$b2o$2bo6bobo$o$3o3bo$2bo!
It can't be used for much, though.
Related p24:

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
7bo$5bo$2bo2b2o$3o$o4bo$2bo$b2o$2bo6bobo$o$3o3bo$2bo!
The half-carrier can be turned into a Z to bring down bounding box but increase population by one cell.
Related p12:

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x = 21, y = 12, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2bo15bo$3o15b3o$o19bo2$bob3o4bo4b3obo$9b3o$o9bo9bo$3o3bo7bo3b3o$2bo4bo
5bo4bo$5b2o7b2o$6bo7bo$4bo11bo!
EDIT: p15:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
7bo$5bo$2bo2b2o$3o$o2$bobo4b2o$4bo4bo$o6bo$3o$2bo!
Another p21:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2b2o$2bo2bo$3ob2o$o8bo2$bobobo2$o$3ob2o$2bo2bo$2b2o!
EDIT 2: (last edit)

p30 r-signal injector/failed gun:

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x = 11, y = 35, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2b2o4bo$2bo2bo4bo$3ob2o3b2o$o$2bo$b3o$2bo$o$3ob2o$2bo2bo$3bo$3b3obo2bo
$5bob3o$8bo$4b2o$5bo$3bo$3b3o$5bo2$4b2o$5bo$3bo$3b3o$5bo2$4b2o3bo$5bob
3o$3bo4bo$3b3o$5bo2$4b2o$5bo$3bo!
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