Thread for your unsure discoveries

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How called this still life?

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bob3o$bo4bo$2o3b2o$o4bo$b3obo$3b2o!

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Dart can be eaten with one eater:

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x = 25, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bobo$21b2o$24bo$20bo3bo$17bo2bo$16bobo2b4o$15bo2bo$16bobo2b4o$
2b2o13bo2bo$bobo16bo3bo$bo22bo$2o19b2o$22bobo$23bo!

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A hivenudger eater:

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x = 31, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$3bo$3bobo$4b2o$18b4o5bo2bo$2o16bo3bo3bo$bo16bo7bo3bo$bobo15bo2bo
3b4o$2b2o$23b2o$23b2o$23b2o$2b2o$bobo15bo2bo3b4o$bo16bo7bo3bo$2o16bo3b
o3bo$18b4o5bo2bo$4b2o$3bobo$3bo$2b2o!

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I found a c/3 p6 spaceship based on pushalong for dart:

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x = 36, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
8bobo$8bo3b3o$6b2o5b2o10b3o$6b2o3bo6bo6b2o$9bob2o2b2obo8bo2bo$5bo3bo6b
o2b2obob2obo3bo$2bo2bo6bo3b4o3b2o2b3o3bobo$bobo2b6o8bo2bo2b3ob4obo$o2b
o18bo3b2o$bobo2b6o8bo2bo2b3ob4obo$2bo2bo6bo3b4o3b2o2b3o3bobo$5bo3bo6bo
2b2obob2obo3bo$9bob2o2b2obo8bo2bo$6b2o3bo6bo6b2o$6b2o5b2o10b3o$8bo3b3o
$8bobo!

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I found this transparent reaction:

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x = 11, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o3$b2o5b3o$obo5bo$bo7bo!

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This transparent beehive reaction can be useful?

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$b2o4b2o$6b2o$7bo!

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A stable agar:

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x = 28, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
6bob2o2bob2o2bob2o2bob2o$6b2obo2b2obo2b2obo2b2obo2$6b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$o2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$o2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo$3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo$o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo$3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo$o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2b2o2$3b2obo2b2obo2b2obo2b2obo$3bob2o2bob2o2bob2o2bob
2o!

[muzik]

Seriously. Just edit everything into one post.

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How called this still life?

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bob3o$bo4bo$2o3b2o$o4bo$b3obo$3b2o!

Generally objects this size or bigger won't have common names, but this one has been called Shuriken.

You can answer this kind of question for yourself by pasting a small pattern's RLE into Mark Niemiec's search page.

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Okay, here's one more attempt to encourage you to slow down your posting rate.

You are generating questions faster than anyone could reasonably answer them. Also, you are not responding to the answers that come back. If you're not reading them or understanding them, then it seems like kind of a wasted effort to keep generating more answers.

So -- speaking for myself, at least -- I'll probably just stop responding to your posts now, until something changes.

Here's a suggestion. It's not a completely serious suggestion, but it might help explain the problem.

For each discovery that you make, before you post it, please read through all the pages of this thread first, and make sure it is not already there.

If Gustavo has discovered it already, then there is no point in posting it again... right?

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How about a sierpinski triangle breeder?

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I found this on-off:

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2obo$ob2o$4b2o$b2obobo$bobob2o$2b2o$4b2obo$4bob2o!

[mniemiec]

Welcome to the forums. However, as with any other internet forms, it is usually a good idea to first observe how and what others post to those same forums (for several days or weeks) to understand the common culture of how those forums work.

New blinker-traffic light fuse?

New blinker fuse?

New blinker-tl fuse?

These have been known for a long time.

An extensible p2 muttering moat:

All still-lifes and pseudo-still-lifes up to 24 bits, all period 2 oscillators and pseudo-oscillators up to 21 bits, and all period 3 oscillators and pseudo-oscillators up to 20 bits have been exhaustively searched by computer, so it is not possible to make any new discoveries in those areas. Also, all other oscillators and pseudo-oscillators have been searched up to 21 bits, so while it is possible that some have been overlooked, it is extremely unlikely.

A fuse that produces bookends:

A fuse that produces beehives:

And a 5c/3 p30 beehive fuse:

A p4 clean fuse:

Fuses are generally not considered interesting, because they are so easy to find.

42-step herschel conduit with gliders (second glider on the same path):

How about a herschel track with guns? I made this:

When Dave Buckingham first developed B heptmino technology, one of the basic facts was that B heptminos initially drop an annoyong block directly behind them. Since it is directly in the path, one can't place still-lifes or oscillators to conveniently remove it without being in the way of the advancing B heptomino. This is why the technology uses herschels rather than B-heptominos - the goal is not to re-form the B-heptomino (with its annoying block), but rather a later phase, after the block has been dropped, that ultimately evolves into a herschel. Otherwise, one requires an input glider just to clean up the block.

The whole point of herschel conduits is to produce as much as goes in, or more. This is why reusable still-lifes and oscillators are nomally used. While it is possible to use gliders, it isn't of much use, unless you can coax at least as many gliders out of the conduit and somehow use them to feed the conduit again. A single-use conduit isn't really of any use at all.

Block turns a herschel into a toad:

Ways of synthesizing objects are usually not interesting unless they have never been synthesized before, or they are cheaper than any previous synthesis, or they are less obtrusive - i.e. can produce the object in a position or orientation that previous syntheses can't easily do. Toads can be made from 3 gliders, so this is certainly not the cheapest. However, the fact that this toad is generated at an active corner of the reaction area means this might possibly be useful.

A p2 oscillators in dotlife:

A p2 and p4 wicks in the seeds. First looks like a barberpole.

Discoveries for rules other than Life are not appropriate in the Patterns section. See the "Other cellular automata" forums instead. There is a thread "Thread for Your Accidental Discoveries that Aren't in CGOL" there specifically for rules that don't have a specific thread devoted to them.

I made a breeder:

These days, breeders generally aren't interesting, unless they exhibit some new feature (e.g. a new expansion rate, a different structure, etc.) that has not been done before. Extruding an ever-lenghthening Herschel conduit is certainly an interesting idea, but I think it's been done before. Nevertheless, constructing a pattern like this is certainly a good idea for a beginner, to learn how to use various tools, although it's likely not worthy of posting to the forums.

This oscillator can be useful?

It depends on what you mean by "useful". Likely not. This is certainly not new. Even if it were not explicitly instantiated, it consists of extensible components that have been long known.

I found a 5c/12 reaction. This can be useful? (slightly slower that the schick engine)

This (and many other similar reactions) have been long known. In order for this to be of any use, you would need a spaceship that travels to the left at the same speed, leaving a v-spark behind it; the bracket would just be an optional tag-along for it. Finding the ship itself would be the real challenge.

And also I found a 4-gen shuttle reaction:

Not practical, as it would require a mechanism to replace the blinker every 8 generations. Even if such as mechanism were possible, it couldn't work here, as the trailing v-spark doesn't disappear until generation 7, leaving insufficient time to replace the blinker.

I found this. How to remove the 3 extra cells in gen 3?

What are you trying to do? It is much easier to eat a beehive, and finding new period-3 oscillators is so easy it is not interesting.

How called this 38-cell breeder?

I don't know if it has a name, or if it has been found before. There is a 26-bit quadratic growth pattern, so this is not a record-holder, but at a mere 28 bits, it is certainly noteworthy. Congratulations!

How called this still life?

Most still-lifes don't have specific names. Small ones and ones with notable properties (e.g. unusual shapes, special functionality, etc.) have been given names. All up to 24 bits have been assigned arbitrary numbers to make them easy to identify. This particular still-life is 20.21877. It's also called "Shuriken", due to its similarity to the so-named throwing star.

Dart can be eaten with one eater:

A hivenudger eater:

For purposes of building Life circuitry, it is only possible to use spaceships that are constructible. It is only practical to use spaceships that can be constructed cheaply, and most practical to use the basic spaceships (glider, LWSS, MWSS, HWSS). While it may be an interesting exercise to build guns for darts and hive-nudgers (and it is an interesting exercise to be able to eat them), it is unlikely that any practical Life construction will actually use them internally, so such pursuits are academic rather than practical. Eaters for exotic spaceships are almost never noteworthy.

I found a c/3 p6 spaceship based on pushalong for dart:

This (plus most of your discoveries posted here) are not new. Before posting, you should first check to see whether or not someone else has already made the same discovery. You must remember that Life has been around for well over 4 decades, and even though many of the technologies currently bsing used are fairly recent, most of them have been in common use for at least a decades themselves. You must realize that all the "low-hanging fruit" has been picked clean for a long time. Any new discoveries that can be made with just a few minutes of work have likely already been made many, many times already by many, many people.

A good source of information is H. Koenig's http://www.pentadecathlon.com. If you look there, under moving patterns, you will find this spaceship under moving patterns with population 141 (its minimum phase). Other good sources are the Life wiki, Stephen Silver's pattern collection and the Life lexicon (see Link thread on the forums), and my life pages and search page (see Dave Green's message).

In short, before posting new discoveries, look at the existing research to see if it has already been find before, or if it is in a category that is not noteworthy.

I found this transparent reaction:

Transparent reactions are typically those that destroy object(s) and reform them, typically with no collateral damage. In this case, another boat is changed into a beehive, making this not particularly useful (nor uncommon).

A stable agar:

Stable agars (and even period 2 ones) are not particularly interesting nor notable, as they are very easy to find.

How about a sierpinski triangle breeder?

If you feel up to the challenge of creating one, by all means, make one. A pattern whose population is O(n^log2(3)) is interesting. I'm not sure if it has been done before, but it would certainly be a good exercise regardless.

I found this on-off:

Oscillators are typically distinguished by their rotors; their stators can usually be easily changed, with the smallest in terms of population or bounding box being the most interesting. This has the same rotor as the beacon. Sometimes, the bushing is considered important (e.g. to distinguish beaon from 1-beacon, blinker from bipole and fore-and-back), but all small-rotor oscillators (especially period 2 ones) have been studied exhaustively long ago.

[muzik]

I think I just discovered a new oscillator.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$b2ob2o2bo$o2bo2b2obo$ob2o2bo2bo$bo2b2ob2o$4bobo$3bo
2bo$4b2o!

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I think I just discovered a new oscillator.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$b2ob2o2bo$o2bo2b2obo$ob2o2bo2bo$bo2b2ob2o$4bobo$3bo
2bo$4b2o!

It shows up very commonly in Catagolue in symmetric searches. Don't know if anyone ever came up with a name for it. Really I'm not sure it needs one -- Catagolue has seen an awful lot of unnamed oscillators by now.

[The oscillator wasn't in Mark Niemiec's database, so I tried biggiemac's very useful Script for the Extra Lazy. Thanks, biggiemac!]

[muzik]

I think I just discovered a new oscillator.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$b2ob2o2bo$o2bo2b2obo$ob2o2bo2bo$bo2b2ob2o$4bobo$3bo
2bo$4b2o!

It shows up very commonly in Catagolue in symmetric searches. Don't know if anyone ever came up with a name for it. Really I'm not sure it needs one -- Catagolue has seen an awful lot of unnamed oscillators by now.

[The oscillator wasn't in Mark Niemiec's database, so I tried biggiemac's very useful Script for the Extra Lazy. Thanks, biggiemac!]

I was kind of lying when I said just, because I discovered it all the way back in June 2014.

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I think I just discovered a new oscillator.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$b2ob2o2bo$o2bo2b2obo$ob2o2bo2bo$bo2b2ob2o$4bobo$3bo
2bo$4b2o!

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 8&start=38

[muzik]

I think I just discovered a new oscillator.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$b2ob2o2bo$o2bo2b2obo$ob2o2bo2bo$bo2b2ob2o$4bobo$3bo
2bo$4b2o!

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 8&start=38

well then.

When was the first "discovery" of this pattern?

[praosylen]

well then.

When was the first "discovery" of this pattern?

To be honest, I have no idea.

[skomick]

well then.

When was the first "discovery" of this pattern?

I found it in the jslife osc collection.

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How called this?

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$2bobobo$bo2bo2bo$ob2ob2obo$bo2bo2bo$2bobobo$3bobo$4bo!

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I found this 14-gen shuttle reaction

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
o2b2o$2b3o$o2b2o!

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I found this pentadecathlon predecessor:

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x = 12, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
o3b4o3bo$bobo4bobo$2b2o4b2o$bobo4bobo$o3b4o3bo!

[muzik]

How called this?

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$2bobobo$bo2bo2bo$ob2ob2obo$bo2bo2bo$2bobobo$3bobo$4bo!

I found that yesterday

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I found a p3 spaceship:

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x = 9, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$bobo$bo2$2o$bobo$b2o$2bo$3bo2bo$7bo$4b2o$5bo$5b3o$6bo$8bo$6b
2o$6b2o$8bo!

And this. Central "blinker" component looks like a brain edge:

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x = 10, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bo$2o$2bo$2b2ob2o$2b2ob2o$3bobob2o$7b2o$3b5obo$3bo4bo$3b2o3b2o$5b
4o$6b2o2$5b3o$5b3o2$2b3o$2b3o2$3bobo$3b2o$5bo2$2b3o2b3o$3bobo$2bob2o$
2bo5bo$3b6o$bo5b3o$2ob2o4bo$bo2b3o$b2o$3bo$2bo$2bobo$2bobo$3bo!

[muzik]

Honey farm fuse:

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x = 23, y = 99, rule = B3/S23
4b3o10$5bo$5bo$5bo10$4b3o10$5bo$5bo$5bo10$4b3o10$5bo$5bo$5bo10$4b3o10$
5bo$5bo$5bo10$4b3o$15bo$15b2o$15b2o$17bo$17b3o$o17bo$o$o20b2o$15b2o4b
2o$15b2o!