Eating beehives

[muzik]

Are there any c/2 orthogonal spaceships that can either eat these beehives, rotate them 90°, or turn them into blocks, while not being destroyed in the process?

Also, they have to be moving to the right while doing this.

[muzik]

The hives are 21 blocks apart (they have a line of 21 dead cells between them).

[Saka]

I don't think there is any spaceship that does that

[muzik]

well that's unfortunate.


Is there any ship of said description that can eat this arrangement, then?



that thing on the right is a block. For some reason it's clipping out the other two cells

[dvgrn]

The hives are 21 blocks apart (they have a line of 21 dead cells between them).

If you're desperate, you could always dig the appropriate rake out of the jslife/c2-extended collection, and shoot the beehives down with p42 gliders. Might have a bad effect on the bounding box of your pattern, though:

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x = 256, y = 219, rule = B3/S23
72bo20bo20bo20bo20bo$71bobo18bobo18bobo18bobo18bobo$71bobo18bobo18bobo
18bobo18bobo$72bo20bo20bo20bo20bo8bo$164b2o$164bobo9$154b2o$153b2o$
155bo8$144bo$143b2o$143bobo5$65bobo$64bo2bo$63b2o$62bo$61b6obo64b2o$
58b2o7b2o63b2o$57bo3b3ob2o67bo$56bo3bo4b2o$56bo5bo3b2o$56b3o3b4obo2$
56b3o3b4obo$56bo5bo3b2o$56bo3bo4b2o$57bo3b3ob2o56bo$58b2o7b2obo51b2o$
61b6obobo5b2o44bobo$62bo7bobobo2b2o$63b4obo3b2o$63bo3b2obobobo2b2o$65b
2o3bo5b2o$65b4obo$37bobo12bo15b4o$16bo18b3obo10b2o9bobo7bo$13bobobo4bo
11b2o4b2o5b4obo2b2ob4obo$12bo2bo3bobobo10bobob3o2bo3b2o5b3obobo3b2o46b
2o$11b2o5b2o5bo8b2obo3bob3o8bobo2b2o50b2o$10bo4bo6b2o8bo3b2o5bo10b3ob
2o4bobo46bo$9b5obobob3ob2o6b2ob3o3b3o5bo6bo4bo2b2o3bo14b2o$6b2o11b3o2b
o2bo10bo2bob3ob2o2bo4b2o6b6o$5bo3b3ob3o6bob9obobo5b2o5bobo4bo3bobo6bo$
4bo3bo4b3ob3o8bobo3bo11b2o10b2o2bo3b4o$4bo5bo3bo4bobobob2o3b2o10bo8bob
o4b2o5b2o$4b3o3b4o8bo3bobo2bobo8bob2o4bo2bo5bob3o3b2o$41bo8bo4b2ob2obo
5bo$4b3o3b4o8bo3bobo2bobo8bob2o4bo2bo5bob3o3b2o33bo$4bo5bo3bo4bobobob
2o3b2o10bo8bobo4b2o5b2o34b2o$4bo3bo4b3ob3o8bobo3bo11b2o10b2o2bo3b4o16b
2o13bobo$5bo3b3ob3o6bob9obobo5b2o5bobo4bo3bobo6bo16bobo$6b2o11b3o2bo2b
o10bo2bob3ob2o2bo4b2o6b6o16bo3bo$9b5obobob3ob2o6b2ob3o3b3o5bo6bo4bo2b
2o3bo18b4o$10bo4bo6b2o8bo3b2o5bo10b3ob2o4bobo21bo2bo$11b2o5b2o5bo8b2ob
o3bob3o8bobo2b2o29bo$12bo2bo3bobobo10bobob3o2bo3b2o5b3obobo3b2o24bo$
13bobobo4bo11b2o4b2o5b4obo2b2ob4obo$16bo18b3obo10b2o9bobo10bo11bo$37bo
bo12bo21bo10bo3bo$73bobo14bo$63bobo5b2o12bo5bo$62bo2bob2obo2bo16bo$61b
2o7bo2bo15b2o$60bo4bo7bo13bobo$59b5obo4bo2bo14bo$58bo8b2obo2bo$58bobob
2obo5b2o$57bo3bo3bo7bobo$57b3o2bo11bo$63b4o7bo$55bob3o$54b2o2b2o5b4o$
54bobo8bo$54b2o8bo2bo$54bo9b2o6bo$53b3o14b3o$53bo2bo7bobo2b2o$52bo2bo
7b2o4bo$52b2o6bo3b2o5bo$58b3o4b6o$52bobo2b2o7bobo$51b2o4bo11b4obo$52b
2o5bo9bo3b2o$53b6o12b2o$54bobo14b4o$57b4obo11bo$57bo3b2o$59b2o$59b4o$
62bo8$170bo20bo20bo20bo20bo$169bobo18bobo18bobo18bobo18bobo$169bobo18b
obo18bobo18bobo18bobo$170bo20bo20bo20bo20bo7$249bo$249b2o$248bobo6$63b
o$60b4o$60b2o$58bo158b2o$58b6obo152b2o$55bobo7bo151bo$54b6ob2o$53b2o5b
2o$52b2o4b2o4bo$53b2o4b4obo2$53b2o4b4obo$52b2o4b2o4bo$53b2o5b2o124bo$
54b6ob2o123b2o$55bobo7bo9bo109bobo$58b6obobo5b2obo$58bo10bo2b3o$59b5ob
o3bobo$60bo4bo3bo2b3o$61b2o4bo5b2obo$62bo2bo9bo$34bo13bo14bobo2bo$13bo
17b2obobo8bobobo6bobo7bobo$11b2o6bo11bo6bo5bo2bo3bobobo2bobo93b2o$8b4o
bo2b2obo10bo2b4o3bo2b2o5b2o3bo5bo93b2o$8b2o5b3o2b2o8b2o4b2o2bo9bo6bo3b
o92bo$6bo3b2obo4b3o7b2o4bo2bo2bo10bob3o4b3o3bo$6b4obobob2o4bo6b3ob2o3b
2o5b2o5bo3b2o3bo4bob2o$3bobo6b2ob2o7bobo4bob2o2bo3bo2b4o4b3o3bo2b5o2bo
$2b6ob2ob2o4bob4o3b2obobo6b2obo4bo5bob2obobo8bo$b2o5b2o3bob3ob2o4bo3b
2obo6b2o6bobo4b2ob2o3b5obo$2o4b2o4bo3b2obo2b2o3b3o10bob2o5bo8bobobo5bo
57b2o$b2o4b4o8bo2b3o2b3o8b3o6b3obo2bo3b2o4b3o58b4o$38b2o6b3o2bo3b2o6bo
60bo$b2o4b4o8bo2b3o2b3o8b3o6b3obo2bo3b2o4b3o56b2o2b2o$2o4b2o4bo3b2obo
2b2o3b3o10bob2o5bo8bobobo5bo33b2o18b3obobobo$b2o5b2o3bob3ob2o4bo3b2obo
6b2o6bobo4b2ob2o3b5obo33b2o18b3o3b2ob2o$2b6ob2ob2o4bob4o3b2obobo6b2obo
4bo5bob2obobo8bo55b2obo2bo$3bobo6b2ob2o7bobo4bob2o2bo3bo2b4o4b3o3bo2b
5o2bo13bo44bob2o$6b4obobob2o4bo6b3ob2o3b2o5b2o5bo3b2o3bo4bob2o13b2o42b
ob2o$6bo3b2obo4b3o7b2o4bo2bo2bo10bob3o4b3o3bo36bo21b3o$8b2o5b3o2b2o8b
2o4b2o2bo9bo6bo3bo17bo2b2obo17bobobo17b2o4bo$8b4obo2b2obo10bo2b4o3bo2b
2o5b2o3bo5bo16bobob2o2bo18bo2b2o20bobo$11b2o6bo11bo6bo5bo2bo3bobobo2bo
bo16b2o2bo2b2o20bobo2b2o17bobo$13bo17b2obobo8bobobo6bobo19bo2bo22bobo
6bo17bo$34bo13bo56b2obo4bo$78b2o27b4obo$132bobo$74b3o55b2o$67bobo3bobo
53b3o2bo$64b4obo2bo56b3o$64b2o3bo2b2obo49bobo3b2o$62bo3b2o8bo47bo2bobo
2bo$62b4obobo2b2obo47b2o5bo$61bo7bo2bo49bo4bo$60b3ob2obobo3bobo45b5obo
$60bo2b2ob2o6b3o43bo8bo$60b2o3b2o2bo50b4o5bo$59bo6b3o50bo9b2obo$57b4ob
o55b3o2bo8bo$57bo4bo5b3o48b3o$56bo2bo7b2o2bo48bo$56b2o9bobo51b3obo$67b
2o6bo45bo2b2o$56bobo8bo4b2obo46b3o$55b2o2bo6b3o3bo51bo$55bobo8bo5bo49b
o$55b2o6bo2bo3bo51bobo$55bo4b2obo3bo3b3o47bo$54b3o3bo7b2o52bobo$54bo5b
o10b5obo44bo$54bo3bo13bo4bo46bo$55bo3b3o11b2o47b3o$56b2o16bo2bo43bo2b
2o$59b5obo9bobo43b3obo$60bo4bo54bo$61b2o56b3o$62bo2bo52b3o2bo$63bobo
53bo$120b4o$120bo$122b2o$122b4o$125bo!

Where are these beehives coming from, anyway?

[muzik]

The hives are 21 blocks apart (they have a line of 21 dead cells between them).

Where are these beehives coming from, anyway?

This epic failure of a puffrake:

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x = 790, y = 247, rule = B3/S23
537bo31b4o201b5o$535bo3bo28b6o199bo4bo$540bo27b4ob2o203bo$535bo4bo31b
2o199bo3bo$536b5o215b3o16bo$520b2o229bo4b2o28b4o$504b5o8b3ob2o227bobo
2bo4bo10b4o10bo3bo$503bo4bo8b5o218b2o8bo4bo13b2o2b4o4bo7bo$508bo9b3o
18b2o22b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o12b2o7b3o
12b2o7b2o10b2obo10b3o3b2o2b7o2bo2bo$503bo3bo31b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o
22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o10b2ob2o18bo5bo2bo2b3ob2o$505bo237b2o21bo4b2o4b6o
2bo2bo$522b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o98bo7bo16bo3bo9bo7bo$492b2o28b2o
2b2o18b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o90b2o2bo4bo2bo34bo3bo
$489b3ob2o31b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o3b3o66bo16bo2bo2bobo40b4o$489b
5o157bo2b2o62b4o16bobo3bo$490b3o162bo62b2ob2o2b2o12bo$650b6o62b2o3b4o
47b6o$651b3o64bo4b2obo46bo5bo$374bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo7b2o14bo7b2o14b
o7b2o14bo7b2o14bo7b2o14bo23bo23bo7bo41bo4b3o59bo$373bobo21bobo21bobo
21bobo21bobo21bobo6b2o13bobo6b2o13bobo6b2o13bobo6b2o13bobo6b2o13bobo
21bobo21bobo5b3o20bo4bo14bo3bo2bo53bo4bo$345bo27bobo21bobo21bobo21bobo
21bobo21bobo21bobo21bobo21bobo21bobo21bobo7bo13bobo9bo11bobo4bo3bo18b
2o3bob2o16b4o55b2o$346bo27bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo23bo7b
3o13bo9bobo11bo4b3ob3o16bo6bobobo15b2o2b2o$622bo3b2o20bobo17bo4bo17b5o
b2obobo$624b3o22bo18b3ob3o17b4o5b3o$625bo21b2o20bo3bo23b3ob2o$645b2ob
2o20b3o24b2ob2o$671bo26b3o$528b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o46bobo48bo$528b2o22b2o
22b2o22b2o44bo3bo76b2o$646bo2b2o27b2o44b3ob2o$647b3o28b2o44b5o$648bo
76b3o$525b5o$524bo4bo$529bo140bo4bo$524bo3bo115b3o22bobo2bobo$526bo
142bobo2bobo$670bo4bo3$612bo$612bobo$612b2o10$576bo$576bobo$576b2o10$
540bo$540bobo$540b2o10$504bo$504bobo$504b2o10$468bo$468bobo$468b2o10$
432bo$432bobo$432b2o10$396bo$396bobo$396b2o10$360bo$360bobo$360b2o10$
324bo$324bobo$324b2o10$288bo$288bobo$288b2o10$252bo$252bobo$252b2o10$
216bo$216bobo$216b2o10$180bo$180bobo$180b2o10$144bo$144bobo$144b2o10$
108bo$108bobo$108b2o10$72bo$72bobo$72b2o10$36bo$36bobo$36b2o10$o$obo$
2o!

[dvgrn]

Where are these beehives coming from, anyway?

This epic failure of a puffrake...

Ah, I didn't read your description of the beehives right. They're spaced 24 cells apart, not 21 (I should have counted the width of the beehives). It was a little puzzling because you can't ordinarily get beehives spaced 21 cells, 42 ticks, apart... because 42 isn't a multiple of 4, and you're using p4 stuff to build your rakes and puffers. It was still possible, because weird phase-shifting behavior happens sometimes, but it's pretty rare.

-- Okay, yeah, with 24-cell separation, just drop in a small p48 rake, and that will clean up the beehives. Of course you could just replace the whole huge construction with the same small p48 rake, instead.

A few other suggestions:

1) Images of patterns are confusing and hard to deal with. People would have to count cells to find out what you're talking about, and most folks just won't be motivated to do that. Instead, just post RLE copied out of Golly or wherever, and use the

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tag instead of [code] if you really want to show a picture.

2) It might be better not to spin off a new thread for every small question. If there had been, say, a thread in General Discussion called "Thread for Newcomer Questions", that always sorts to the top of the list along with [b]Life Links[/b], would that look like a good place to post questions along these lines? Or some other title along those lines? If it seems like a good idea, please feel free to create a thread like that.

[muzik]

2) It might be better not to spin off a new thread for every small question. If there had been, say, a thread in General Discussion called "Thread for Newcomer Questions", that always sorts to the top of the list along with Life Links, would that look like a good place to post questions along these lines? Or some other title along those lines? If it seems like a good idea, please feel free to create a thread like that.

Definitely.