Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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hotcrystal0 wrote: September 25th, 2026, 5:20 pm
vilc wrote: September 25th, 2026, 5:11 pm Amazing discovery! Could you provide more information about how it was found?
Optimizing the p2 catalyst yields a minor population and bounding-box reduction (-4 cells and -2 in length):
One more cell of stator reduction:
Apologies, but beat you to it.
WhiteHawk wrote: September 25th, 2026, 5:17 pm -1 cell
Also, to clarify, the underlying hassler was discovered by P1GG, correct?

EDIT:
splitterrules wrote: September 25th, 2026, 5:27 pm Bounding box reduced:
Additional population reduction

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x = 55, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
41bo3b2o$40bobobob3o$21b2o17bobobo4bo$22bo2bo15bobobobobo$19b3o3b3o15b
obob2o4b2o$7b2o9bo3b3o3bo13b2ob3o5bo$8bo2bo6b2obo3b3o12bo3b2o5bobo$5b
3o3b3o8b2obo13bo3bo7b2o$4bo3b3o3bo2bob2obobo18bo$4b3o4b3o3b2ob2o15bo5b
o$8b2obo23bo7b2obo$3bob2obobo24bo2bo4b5o$3b2obo18bobo7bo2bo2b4ob2o$24b
obobo8b2o5b2o$39b2ob2o10bo$o10bo5bo4bo7bo8bobobo8bobo$3o7bob2o3b3o2b2o
6bo22b2o$3bo3bo6b2o2b3o3b2obo12b3o4b2o$2b2o3bo7bo4bo5bo20b2o2$9bobobo
$3bo6bobo18bob2o8bo6bo$2bobo22bobob2obo7bobo3bobo$3bo22bob2o13bobo6bo
$16b2ob2o3b3o4b3o7bobob3o$13bobob2obo2bo3b3o3bo6bobo9b2o$12bob2o8b3o3b
3o7bobob5o$10b3o3bob2o6bo2bo11bo2bo5bob3o$9bo3b3o3bo9b2o13bob2obo$10b
obo3b3o26bob2o$9b2ob2o2bo!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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small gun_95 reduction (2405 -> 2356) by changing the sparker:

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x = 62, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
54b2o$17bo31b2o4bo$17b3o29bo2b3o$20bo22b2o6b2o2b3o$19b2o23bo2b4o3bo3b
o$44bobo5b2ob2obo$45bobob3obo4bobo$10bo36bobo4bo4bobo$10b3o20b2o3b2o6b
obo7b3o2bo$13bo19bo4b2o7bo7bo3b2o$12b2o17bobo18b5obo$31b2o19b5obo$58b
ob2o$40b2o15b2obo$57bo2bo$41bobo14b2o$8bo36b2o$7bobo8b2o14bo8bob3o$7b
o5b2o2bo4bo4bo5bobo5bo2b2o2b4o$9b2obobo2bo2b2o4bobo4bobo4b2o2bo2bobob
2o$10b4o2b2o2bo5bobo5bo4bo4bo2b2o5bo$14b3obo8bo14b2o8bobo$15b2o36bo$18b
obo$60bo$20b2o39bo$59b3o$3b7o19b2o$b3ob3ob3o16bobo17b2o$o4b3o4bo9b2o4b
o19bo$ob3obob4o3b3o4b2o3b2o20b3o$bo13b2o2bo31bo$3bobobob2obo4b3o$2b2o
bobobob2o2b2o3b2o$3bobo2bo6b5o2bo18b2o$3bo2b2o9bobob2o18bo$2b2o15bo22b
3o$18b2o24bo!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Reduction to a certain group of prime-period guns of family 31+120n (demonstrating using guntrue_8171)

Old design (14652-cell Bounding Box)

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x = 132, y = 111, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo$52b2o$47b2ob
o2bo$43bo3b2ob2o$42bobo$43bo$14b2o$14bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2o
bo24b3o$6bo2bob2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo37b2o$11b2o35b2o$4b2o11bo32b
o$3bobo10bobo$3bo13bo$2obo$bobob2o$bobob2o$2obo7b2o71bo11b2o$o2b4o3bo
2bo7b2o60bobo10b2o$b2o3bo4b2o8bobo16b2o29bo3bo3b2o2bobo$3b2o18bo16bob
o26b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$3bo19b2o17bo4b2o19bo5bobo3bobo$5bo32b4ob2o2bo2b
o17b2o5bob4o2bob2o$4b2o32bo2bobobobob2o26bo3bobob2o$41bobobobo28bo3bo
bo$42b2obobo27bo3bobo$46bo28b2o3bo2$32b2o$33bo7b2o$33bobo5b2o45b2o$34b
2o52b2o$103b2o$102bo2bo$103b2obo$56b2o48bo$56b2o48b2o$91b2o$44b2o46bo
$44bo3bo40b3o$45b4o28b2o10bo$77bobo$43b4o32bo$43bo2b3o30b2o$49bo$48bo
bo$48bobo$49bo4$11b2o$12bo$10bo116b2o$10b5o14b2o96bo$15bo13bo99bo$12b
3o12bobo79b2o14b5o$11bo15b2o15b2o64bo13bo$11b4o28bobo64bobo12b3o$9b2o
3bo3b2o23bo18b2o47b2o15bo$8bo2b3o4b2o22b2o7b2o9bo62b4o$8b2obo39b2o10b
o56b2o3bo3b2o$11bo50b2o56b2o4b3o2bo$11b2o46b2o67bob2o$59b2ob2o64bo$62b
o64b2o$19b2o38b2o3bo$20bo37bo2b4o$17b3o37bobobo57b2o$17bo21bo18bo2bob
2o54bo$39b3o19bobo56b3o$42bo17b2o2bo33bo23bo$41b2o14bobo2bobo31b3o$37b
2o18b2o2bobo31bo$37bobo22bo32b2o$37bo2$63bo$61b3o$60bo$60b2o$31bo53b2o
$31b3o50bobo5b2o$34bo49bo7b2o$33bo49b2o$33b2o$31b2o2bo61bo$30bo2b3o57b
2obobo$31bo23bo36bobobobo$32b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo32bo2bobobobob2o$34bo7b2o
3b2o6bo33b4ob2o2bo2bo$36bo30bo25bo4b2o$35b2o31bo22bobo$66b3o22b2o!
New design, using repositioned snarks and Semi-snarks (BB 13696)

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x = 128, y = 107, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo$52b2o$47b2ob
o2bo$43bo3b2ob2o$42bobo$43bo$14b2o$14bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2o
bo24b3o27bo$6bo2bob2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o$3bo
bo10bobo13bobo$3bo13bo16bo4b2o12b2o25bo11b2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo9b2o25b
obo10b2o$bobob2o23bo2bobobobob2o11bo12bo3bo3b2o2bobo$bobob2o26bobobob
o25b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$2obo7b2o21b2obobo24bo5bobo3bobo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o
15bo25b2o5bob4o2bob2o$b2o3bo4b2o8bobob2o46bo3bobob2o$3b2o18bobo46bo3b
obo$3bo19bobo7b2o36bo3bobo$5bo16b2obobo5b2o36b2o3bo$4b2o20b2o3$84b2o$
84b2o$63bo35b2o$98bo2bo$36b2o25bo35b2obo$36bo15b2o48bo$37b3o12b2o48b2o
$39bo$88b2o$59b2o27bo$59b2o12b2o14bo$57bo15bobo12b2o$42bo12b2o18bo$42b
3o10b2o7bo10b2o$45bo9b2o7bo$44bobo$44bobo13bo$3b2o40bo14b3o$4bo55b3o$
2bo$2b5o14b2o$7bo13bo$4b3o12bobo$3bo15b2o102b2o$3b4o116bo$b2o3bo3b2o25b
2o86bo$o2b3o4b2o25bo2bo64b2o14b5o$2obo35b2o65bo13bo$3bo102bobo12b3o$3b
2o102b2o15bo$47b2o72b4o$47b2o67b2o3bo3b2o$11b2o45b2ob2o53b2o4b3o2bo$12b
o42b2o2bobo62bob2o$9b3o43b2obo2bo62bo$9bo48bobo62b2o$55b2o2bo$54bo2b2o
$53bobobo57b2o$35bo18bo2bo57bo$35b3o19bob2o55b3o$38bo17b2o2bo33bo23bo
$37b2o14bobo2bo33b3o$33b2o18b2o2bo33bo$33bobo22b3o30b2o$33bo26bo2$59b
o$57b3o$56bo$56b2o$27bo53b2o$27b3o50bobo5b2o$30bo49bo7b2o$29bo49b2o$29b
2o$27b2o2bo61bo$26bo2b3o57b2obobo$27bo23bo36bobobobo$28b4o6b2o3b2o5bo
bo32bo2bobobobob2o$30bo7b2o3b2o6bo33b4ob2o2bo2bo$32bo30bo25bo4b2o$31b
2o31bo22bobo$62b3o22b2o!
Also note replacement for highest-clearance Syringe catalyst, which has a lower population but works only with 1-lane higher in clearance than a normal syringe

EDIT: Turns out it's not just applicable for members of that family, but rather for most instances of this gun form - guntrue_8123 down from 13230 to a nice round 13000 cells.

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x = 125, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo$52b2o$47b2ob
o2bo$43bo3b2ob2o$42bobo$43bo$15b2o$15bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2o
bo24b3o$6bo2bob2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o64bo11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o
42bobo10b2o$3bobo10bobo13bobo29bo3bo3b2o2bobo$3bo13bo16bo4b2o21b3o2bo
bo2bo2b2ob2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo18bo5bobo3bobo$bobob2o23bo2bobobobob2o
18b2o5bob4o2bob2o$bobob2o26bobobobo16b2o12bo3bobob2o$2obo7b2o21b2obob
o15b2o12bo3bobo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o15bo18bo10bo3bobo$b2o3bo4b2o8bobob2o41b
2o3bo$3b2o18bobo$3bo19bobo7b2o$5bo16b2obobo5b2o$4b2o20b2o53b2o$59b2o20b
2o$59b2o35b2o$58b2o35bo2bo$57b2o3bo33b2obo$49b2o5bobo3bo36bo$49b2o5bo
bo3bo36b2o$36b2o18b3o$36bo17b2obo27b2o$37b3o16bobo4bo21bo$39bo22bobo5b
2o15bo$70bobo13b2o$39bo32bo$39b3o30b2o$42bo$41bobo12b3o$41bobo12b3o$42b
o12bobob2o$56b2o3bo$57b2obo$3b2o53b2o$4bo$2bo53b2o$2b5o14b2o32bo2bo61b
2o$7bo13bo34b2o62bo$4b3o12bobo100bo$3bo15b2o13b2obo64b2o14b5o$3b4o27b
ob2o65bo13bo$b2o3bo3b2o91bobo12b3o$o2b3o4b2o92b2o15bo$2obo40b2o72b4o$
3bo40b2o67b2o3bo3b2o$3b2o50b2ob2o53b2o4b3o2bo$52b2o2bobo62bob2o$52b2o
bo2bo62bo$11b2o42bobo62b2o$12bo39b2o2bo$9b3o39bo2b2o$9bo40bobobo57b2o
$32bo18bo2bo57bo$32b3o19bob2o55b3o$35bo17b2o2bo33bo23bo$34b2o14bobo2b
o33b3o$30b2o18b2o2bo33bo$30bobo22b3o30b2o$30bo26bo2$56bo$54b3o$53bo$53b
2o$24bo53b2o$24b3o50bobo5b2o$27bo49bo7b2o$26bo49b2o$26b2o$24b2o2bo61b
o$23bo2b3o57b2obobo$24bo23bo36bobobobo$25b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo32bo2bobobob
ob2o$27bo7b2o3b2o6bo33b4ob2o2bo2bo$29bo30bo25bo4b2o$28b2o31bo22bobo$59b
3o22b2o!
EDIT 2: Major reduction to guntrue_6491 (14448 -> 12084)

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x = 114, y = 106, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo2$47b2obob2o$
47b2ob2obo3$15b2o$15bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2obo24b3o$6bo2bob2o
2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o$3bobo10bobo13bobo$3bo13b
o16bo4b2o39bo11b2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo36bobo10b2o$bobob2o23bo2bobobobo
b2o24bo3bo3b2o2bobo$bobob2o26bobobobo25b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$2obo7b2o21b
2obobo24bo5bobo3bobo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o15bo25b2o5bob4o2bob2o$b2o3bo4b2o8b
obob2o46bo3bobob2o$3b2o18bobo46bo3bobo$3bo19bobo7b2o36bo3bobo$5bo16b2o
bobo5b2o36b2o3bo$4b2o20b2o3$84b2o$84b2o$99b2o$98bo2bo$36b2o61b2obo$36b
o15b2o48bo$37b3o12b2o48b2o$39bo47b2o$88bo$85b3o21b2o$73b2o10bo23bo$73b
obo35bo$42bo32bo15b2o14b5o$42b3o30b2o15bo13bo$45bo46bobo12b3o$44bobo46b
2o15bo$44bobo60b4o$3b2o40bo56b2o3bo3b2o$4bo97b2o4b3o2bo$2bo107bob2o$2b
5o14b2o87bo$7bo13bo87b2o$4b3o12bobo$3bo15b2o$3b4o94b2o$b2o3bo3b2o25b2o
62bo$o2b3o4b2o25bo2bo61b3o$2obo35b2o39bo23bo$3bo74b3o$3b2o72bo$47b2o28b
2o$47b2o$11b2o45b2ob2o$12bo42b2o2bobo$9b3o43b2obo2bo$9bo48bobo$55b2o2b
o$54bo2b2o8b2o$53bobobo8bobo5b2o$35bo18bo2bo8bo7b2o$35b3o19bob2o4b2o$
38bo17b2o2bo$37b2o14bobo2bo20bo$53b2o2bo17b2obobo$34b2o22b3o13bobobob
o$34bobo23bo10bo2bobobobob2o$34bo36b4ob2o2bo2bo$59bo15bo4b2o$57b3o13b
obo$56bo16b2o$56b2o$27bo$27b3o$30bo$29bo$29b2o$27b2o2bo$26bo2b3o$27bo
23bo$28b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo$30bo7b2o3b2o6bo10bo$32bo30bo$31b2o28b3o!
Other reductions, as a showcase of this methods versatility
guntrue_6143 (13794 -> 12772)
guntrue_5879 (14040 -> 12342)
guntrue_5791 (14690 -> 12240)
guntrue_5527 (14351 -> 11934)
guntrue_5519 (13335 -> 12947)
guntrue_5351 (13335 -> 11730)
guntrue_5087 (15351 -> 11424)
guntrue_4999 (14145 -> 11322)

EDIT 3: A better solution for an x8 channel - repositioning (Uses guntrue_4139 - down to 12524 from 12792)

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x = 124, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
40b2o$39bobo$33b2o4bo$31bo2bo2b2ob4o$31b2obobobobo2bo4b2o$34bobobobo8b
o$34bobob2o7bo$35bo11b5o$51bo$45b4o$39b2o4bo2bo$39b2o$52b2o$47b2obo2b
o$43bo3b2ob2o$42bobo$43bo$14b2o$14bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2obo24b
3o$6bo2bob2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o64bo11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o42bo
bo10b2o$3bobo10bobo13bobo29bo3bo3b2o2bobo$3bo13bo16bo4b2o21b3o2bobo2b
o2b2ob2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo18bo5bobo3bobo$bobob2o23bo2bobobobob2o12b2o
4b2o5bob4o2bob2o$bobob2o26bobobobo14b2o14bo3bobob2o$2obo7b2o21b2obobo
16bo12bo3bobo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o15bo29bo3bobo$b2o3bo4b2o8bobob2o41b2o3bo
$3b2o18bobo$3bo19bobo7b2o$5bo16b2obobo5b2o$4b2o20b2o53b2o$81b2o$96b2o
$95bo2bo$56bo5b2o32b2obo$49b2o4b2o4b3o35bo$49b2o3b2o3bo39b2o$36b2o15b
3o3bo$36bo17b2o2bo26b2o$37b3o14b2o29bo$39bo15b2o13b2o15bo$70bobo13b2o
$39bo32bo$39b3o30b2o$42bo13b3o$41bobo11bo2bo$41bobo11bobobo$42bo13bo3b
o$60bo2$3b2o$4bo$2bo116b2o$2b5o14b2o33bo62bo$7bo13bo34bo64bo$4b3o12bo
bo79b2o14b5o$3bo15b2o13b2obo64bo13bo$3b4o27bob2o64bobo12b3o$b2o3bo3b2o
91b2o15bo$o2b3o4b2o105b4o$2obo40b2o66b2o3bo3b2o$3bo40b2o66b2o4b3o2bo$
3b2o50b2ob2o60bob2o$52b2o2bobo61bo$52b2obo2bo60b2o$11b2o42bobo$12bo39b
2o2bo$9b3o39bo2b2o55b2o$9bo40bobobo56bo$32bo18bo2bo57b3o$32b3o19bob2o
32bo23bo$35bo17b2o2bo30b3o$34b2o14bobo2bo31bo$50b2o2bo32b2o$31b2o22b3o
$31bobo23bo$31bo$56bo$54b3o$53bo$53b2o22b2o$24bo51bobo5b2o$24b3o49bo7b
2o$27bo47b2o$26bo$26b2o61bo$24b2o2bo56b2obobo$23bo2b3o55bobobobo$24bo
23bo32bo2bobobobob2o$25b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo31b4ob2o2bo2bo$27bo7b2o3b2o6bo
10bo25bo4b2o$29bo30bo22bobo$28b2o28b3o22b2o!
guntrue_4027 (12584 -> 12322)
guntrue_3803 (12168 -> 11918)
guntrue_3691 (11960 -> 11615)
guntrue_3467 (11544 -> 11312)
guntrue_3299 (17024 -> 11009)
guntrue_2693 (11544 -> 11312)
guntrue_2677 (12091 -> 11100)
guntrue_2557 (17408 -> 10800)
guntrue_1831 (14208 -> 10800)

Got to get going now, but this is merely a proof that a lot of high-period guns can be reduced by this POG method.
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: October 3rd, 2026, 4:25 pm ... but this is merely a proof that a lot of high-period guns can be reduced by this POG method.
Did you used code for gun regeneration?
I'm thinking that maybe some semiprime (two factor) guns worth generating as well.
For example, gun_7519 (73 * 103) was a good candidate for upload.
While gun_7787 (13 * 599) wasn't, because of relatively small 13x period multiplier (13020 -> 9594):

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x = 78, y = 123, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A$19.A.A$21.A4.2A$17.4A.2A2.A2.A$17.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$19.BABABA.A$20.
B2ABA.A$21.2B.BA$20.3B$11.2A6.4B$12.A6.B2A3B$12.A.AB3.B2A3B$13.2AB.
10B$15.13B$15.14B$15.15B$17.8B2.4B$17.6B5.4B$16.9B4.4B$3.2A10.4B4.2A
5.4B$4.A9.4B5.A7.4B$2.A10.4B7.3A5.4B$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A6.4B$7.A4.4B5.A2.
A9.4B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A9.4B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A15.4B$3.4A12B18.4B$.2A2.BA
3B2A7B19.4B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B20.4B7.A$2A.A.B3.10B21.4B6.3A$3.A8.8B21.4B8.
A$3.2A7.9B21.4B6.A.A$13.3B2.4B21.4B5.A.AB$11.5B3.4B21.BABA5.A3B$11.2A
7.4B21.B2AB6.4B$12.A8.4B21.A3B5.6B$9.3A10.4B21.4B4.7B$9.A13.4B21.4B2.
8B.4B.B$24.4B10.2A9.17B.B2A$25.4B9.A11.18B2A$26.4B10.A9.16B.2B$20.2A
5.4B5.5A8.17B$21.A5.4B4.A9.2A.A16B$21.A.AB.7B2.B3A6.A.2A.14B$22.2AB.
7B3.2B.A12.12B$24.12B4A13.10B$24.7B2A3BAB2.2A11.2B2A6B$24.7B2A2B.B3A
2.A9.3B2A6B$24.10B3.B.A.2A10.10B$23.8B8.A13.8B.B2A.A$22.9B7.2A12.7B3.
B2AB3A$21.4B2.3B22.6B6.B4.A$20.4B3.5B21.6B4.2A.3A$19.4B7.2A21.5B4.A2.
2A$5.A12.4B8.A21.8B.A.A$5.3A9.4B10.3A9.A8.8BA.A.2A.A$8.A7.4B13.A9.3A
6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$7.2A6.4B27.A4.7B2.2B2.A$7.5B2.4B6.2A19.2A4.7B3.B.2A$9.
8B7.A16.2A2.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$8.8B5.BA.A16.A5.11B2.2A2.A2.A$7.8B2.3B.B2A
19.A2.12B7.2A$6.16B20.2A2.12B$4.18B20.B3.11B$4.17B19.3B4.7B$2.2AB.16B
16.6B3.8B$.A.AB2.17B11.10B2.9B$.A5.20B2.2B3.23B$2A6.31B2A16B.B$9.7B.
22B2A17B2A$9.6B2.41B2A$8.6B3.42B$8.4B6.36B2.5B$8.2B2AB12.4B.13B5.5B6.
2A$6.2AB.2A14.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$5.A.AB18.4B15.2A12.3A$5.A22.4B15.A
14.A$4.2A23.4B11.3A$30.4B10.A$31.4B14.A$32.4B12.A.A$33.4B11.A.A$34.4B
2.2B5.2A.3A$35.8B5.B4.A$36.8B2.B2AB3A$37.8B.B2A.A$35.2B.11B$34.2A11B
7.2A$34.2AB.10B6.A$35.B2.10B3.BA.A$38.12B.B2A4.2A$39.13B5.A.A$38.14B
5.A$39.13B4.2A$4.2A35.9B5.2B$5.A37.8B2.5B6.3B5.2A$4.A38.2B2A12B4.4B5.
A$4.2A6.2BAB13.B.7B5.BA2BA.10B4.5B.BA.A$6.A2B2.2BABAB6.B.13B4.3B2A13B
3.5B.B2A$4.3A5BABA45B3.7B$3.A2.B.4B2A45B3.8B$3.2A3.50B3.8B4.2A$9.25B
2A33B3.A.A$9.25B2A33B3.A$8.4B.B.11B3.41B.2A$9.4B2.10B5.10B2.B3.B2.B3.
18B$9.2B2AB4.2B2.4B7.6B14.18B3.2A$11.2A10.4B8.3B13.5B3.12B.B2.A$24.4B
9.B13.2A7.12B3A$25.4B8.2A13.A8.9B.BA$26.4B8.A10.3A9.9B3.2A$27.4B7.A.A
8.A11.9B4.A$28.4B7.2A20.2B2A3B.B2A2.A.2A$29.4B26.3BA2BA2B.BA.A.A.2A$
30.4B24.2A3BABAB5.A.A$31.4B22.A.AB.2BA4B3.A.A$32.4B21.A.2B6.2A4.A$33.
4B18.A.2AB7.A$34.4B16.A.A2.B8.3A$35.4B15.A2.2A11.A$36.3BA15.A.A$37.3B
A13.2A2.A$38.3AB15.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Vort wrote: October 6th, 2026, 2:28 pm Did anyone tried glider synthesis of spark for LCM guns before?
Well most guns are quite large, and usually sparks are achieved with smaller guns

Regardless, Vort's discovery reduced guntrue_1150 (3420 -> 3015)

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x = 67, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
11b2o4b2o$11bobo2bobo$13bo2bo12b2o$12b2o2b2o3bo2bo4bo$11b3o2b3o2b4o5b
o$13bo2bo8b2o2b2o$6b2o12bob2obobo3b2o$4bo2bo12b2obobob2obo2bo$4b2obob
o15bo5b3o28b2o$6bob2o6bo7b2ob4o31bobo$6bo10bo12bob2o29bo$5b2o9bobo7bo
2bo2bobo$4bo2b2o8b3o7b2o3bobo23b2o$3bobo3bo7bobo11b2ob2o5b2o15bobo4b2o
$3bobob2o9bo22b2o17bo4b2o$2obobobo50b3o$o2b2obo25bo$2bo4bo24b3o10bo$3b
5o27bo7bo3b2o$34b2o6b2obob2o9b3o$5bo23bobo9b2o6bo10bo4b2o$4bobo23b2o10b
2obob2o9bobo4b2o$5bo5bo18bo12bo3b2o9b2o$10bobo32bo$11bo51bo$33b2o27bo
bo$9b5o18bobo27b2o$8bo4bo20bo$6bo2b2o$6b2obobobo10b2o$9bob2obo7b3obo$
9bobo3bo5bo2b4o9b2ob2o$10bo2b2o3b2o2b2o2b3o4b2o3bobo$11b2o6b4o3b2o5b2o
3bobo$12bo6bo13bo2bob2o$12bob2o3bo11bob4o$10b2obobo3bo10b2o5b3o$10bo2b
o12b2obobob2obo2bo$12b2o6b2o4bob2obobo3b2o$18bo4bo7b2o2b2o$18bo4bo3b4o
5bo$18bo4bo3bo2bo4bo$19bo2bo12b2o22bo$17bobo2bobo35bo$17b2o4b2o33b3o!
EDIT: guntrue_2300 reduced (3233 -> EDIT 2: 3015)

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x = 67, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
48b2o4b2o$48bobo2bobo$36b2o12b4o$37bo4bo2bo2bo2b2o2bo$36bo5b4o2bo2b2o
2bo$36b2o2b2o8bo2bo$34b2o3bobob2obo12b2o$33bo2bob2o2b2ob2o12bo2bo$3b2o
28b3o4bo16bobob2o$2bobo31b4o17b2obo$3bo29b2obo12b2o9bo$32bobo3b2o7bo2b
o9b2o$13b4o15bobo2b3o7bo2bo7b2o2bo$2o11bo2b2o6b2o5b2ob2o11bobo7bo3bob
o$2o12bo2b2o5b2o15bobo4bo9b2obobo$14bo2bo23b2o15b2obobob2o$15b2o17bo7b
o16b5o2bo$32b3o24bo4bo$15b2o14bo27b5o$14bo2bo13b2o$2o12bo2b2o42bo$2o11b
o2b2o42bobo$13b4o38bo5bo$54bobo$3bo51bo$2bobo$3b2o8b2o38b5o$13b2o38bo
4bo$54bob2o2bo$41b2o10bobobob2o$5bo33bo4bo7b2obobo$4bobo18b2ob2o8bo6b
o5bo3bobo$5bo20bobobob2o4bo3b2o3b2o3b2o2bo$26bobo3b2o4bobo2b3o8b2o$27b
2obo14bob2o5bo$30b4o12b3o2b2obo$8b2o17b3o3bo17bobob2o$8b2o17bo2bob2o2b
2ob2o5bo6bo2bo$3b2o23b2o3bobob2obo12b2o$2bobo25b2o2b2o8bo2bo$2bo27bo5b
4o2b3o2b3o$b2o13b2o14bo3bo2bo3b2o2b2o$16bo10bo3b2o11bo2bo$9b2o6b3o8bo
13bobo2bobo$9b2o8bo6b3o13b2o4b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by May13 »

Vort wrote: October 6th, 2026, 4:51 am ...
While gun_7787 (13 * 599) wasn't, because of relatively small 13x period multiplier (13020 -> 9594):

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x = 78, y = 123, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A$19.A.A$21.A4.2A$17.4A.2A2.A2.A$17.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$19.BABABA.A$20.
B2ABA.A$21.2B.BA$20.3B$11.2A6.4B$12.A6.B2A3B$12.A.AB3.B2A3B$13.2AB.
10B$15.13B$15.14B$15.15B$17.8B2.4B$17.6B5.4B$16.9B4.4B$3.2A10.4B4.2A
5.4B$4.A9.4B5.A7.4B$2.A10.4B7.3A5.4B$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A6.4B$7.A4.4B5.A2.
A9.4B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A9.4B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A15.4B$3.4A12B18.4B$.2A2.BA
3B2A7B19.4B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B20.4B7.A$2A.A.B3.10B21.4B6.3A$3.A8.8B21.4B8.
A$3.2A7.9B21.4B6.A.A$13.3B2.4B21.4B5.A.AB$11.5B3.4B21.BABA5.A3B$11.2A
7.4B21.B2AB6.4B$12.A8.4B21.A3B5.6B$9.3A10.4B21.4B4.7B$9.A13.4B21.4B2.
8B.4B.B$24.4B10.2A9.17B.B2A$25.4B9.A11.18B2A$26.4B10.A9.16B.2B$20.2A
5.4B5.5A8.17B$21.A5.4B4.A9.2A.A16B$21.A.AB.7B2.B3A6.A.2A.14B$22.2AB.
7B3.2B.A12.12B$24.12B4A13.10B$24.7B2A3BAB2.2A11.2B2A6B$24.7B2A2B.B3A
2.A9.3B2A6B$24.10B3.B.A.2A10.10B$23.8B8.A13.8B.B2A.A$22.9B7.2A12.7B3.
B2AB3A$21.4B2.3B22.6B6.B4.A$20.4B3.5B21.6B4.2A.3A$19.4B7.2A21.5B4.A2.
2A$5.A12.4B8.A21.8B.A.A$5.3A9.4B10.3A9.A8.8BA.A.2A.A$8.A7.4B13.A9.3A
6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$7.2A6.4B27.A4.7B2.2B2.A$7.5B2.4B6.2A19.2A4.7B3.B.2A$9.
8B7.A16.2A2.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$8.8B5.BA.A16.A5.11B2.2A2.A2.A$7.8B2.3B.B2A
19.A2.12B7.2A$6.16B20.2A2.12B$4.18B20.B3.11B$4.17B19.3B4.7B$2.2AB.16B
16.6B3.8B$.A.AB2.17B11.10B2.9B$.A5.20B2.2B3.23B$2A6.31B2A16B.B$9.7B.
22B2A17B2A$9.6B2.41B2A$8.6B3.42B$8.4B6.36B2.5B$8.2B2AB12.4B.13B5.5B6.
2A$6.2AB.2A14.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$5.A.AB18.4B15.2A12.3A$5.A22.4B15.A
14.A$4.2A23.4B11.3A$30.4B10.A$31.4B14.A$32.4B12.A.A$33.4B11.A.A$34.4B
2.2B5.2A.3A$35.8B5.B4.A$36.8B2.B2AB3A$37.8B.B2A.A$35.2B.11B$34.2A11B
7.2A$34.2AB.10B6.A$35.B2.10B3.BA.A$38.12B.B2A4.2A$39.13B5.A.A$38.14B
5.A$39.13B4.2A$4.2A35.9B5.2B$5.A37.8B2.5B6.3B5.2A$4.A38.2B2A12B4.4B5.
A$4.2A6.2BAB13.B.7B5.BA2BA.10B4.5B.BA.A$6.A2B2.2BABAB6.B.13B4.3B2A13B
3.5B.B2A$4.3A5BABA45B3.7B$3.A2.B.4B2A45B3.8B$3.2A3.50B3.8B4.2A$9.25B
2A33B3.A.A$9.25B2A33B3.A$8.4B.B.11B3.41B.2A$9.4B2.10B5.10B2.B3.B2.B3.
18B$9.2B2AB4.2B2.4B7.6B14.18B3.2A$11.2A10.4B8.3B13.5B3.12B.B2.A$24.4B
9.B13.2A7.12B3A$25.4B8.2A13.A8.9B.BA$26.4B8.A10.3A9.9B3.2A$27.4B7.A.A
8.A11.9B4.A$28.4B7.2A20.2B2A3B.B2A2.A.2A$29.4B26.3BA2BA2B.BA.A.A.2A$
30.4B24.2A3BABAB5.A.A$31.4B22.A.AB.2BA4B3.A.A$32.4B21.A.2B6.2A4.A$33.
4B18.A.2AB7.A$34.4B16.A.A2.B8.3A$35.4B15.A2.2A11.A$36.3BA15.A.A$37.3B
A13.2A2.A$38.3AB15.2A!
Reduced by 1 row and 1 column (9594 -> 9394):

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x = 77, y = 122, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A$19.A.A$21.A4.2A$17.4A.2A2.A2.A$17.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$19.BABABA.A$20.
B2ABA.A$21.2B.BA$20.3B$11.2A6.4B$12.A6.B2A3B$12.A.AB3.B2A3B$13.2AB.
10B$15.13B$15.14B$15.15B$17.8B2.4B$17.6B5.4B$16.9B4.4B$3.2A10.4B4.2A
5.4B$4.A9.4B5.A7.4B$2.A10.4B7.3A5.4B$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A6.4B$7.A4.4B5.A2.
A9.4B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A9.4B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A15.4B$3.4A12B18.4B$.2A2.BA
3B2A7B19.4B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B20.4B7.A$2A.A.B3.10B21.4B6.3A$3.A8.8B21.4B8.
A$3.2A7.9B21.4B6.A.A$13.3B2.4B21.BABA5.A.AB$11.5B3.4B21.B2AB5.A3B$11.
2A7.4B21.A3B6.4B$12.A8.4B21.4B5.6B$9.3A10.4B21.4B4.7B$9.A13.4B21.4B2.
8B.4B.B$24.4B10.2A9.17B.B2A$25.4B9.A11.18B2A$26.4B10.A9.16B.2B$20.2A
5.4B5.5A8.17B$21.A5.4B4.A9.2A.A16B$21.A.AB.7B2.B3A6.A.2A.14B$22.2AB.
7B3.2B.A12.12B$24.12B4A13.10B$24.7B2A3BAB2.2A11.2B2A6B$24.7B2A2B.B3A
2.A9.3B2A6B$24.10B3.B.A.2A10.10B$23.8B8.A13.8B.B2A.A$22.9B7.2A12.7B3.
B2AB3A$21.4B2.3B22.6B6.B4.A$20.4B3.5B21.6B4.2A.3A$19.4B7.2A21.5B4.A2.
2A$5.A12.4B8.A21.8B.A.A$5.3A9.4B10.3A9.A8.8BA.A.2A.A$8.A7.4B13.A9.3A
6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$7.2A6.4B27.A4.7B2.2B2.A$7.5B2.4B6.2A19.2A4.7B3.B.2A$9.
8B7.A16.2A2.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$8.8B5.BA.A16.A5.11B2.2A2.A2.A$7.8B2.3B.B2A
19.A2.12B7.2A$6.16B20.2A2.12B$4.18B20.B3.11B$4.17B19.3B4.7B$2.2AB.16B
16.6B3.8B$.A.AB2.17B11.10B2.9B$.A5.20B2.2B3.23B$2A6.31B2A16B.B$9.7B.
22B2A17B2A$9.6B2.41B2A$8.6B3.42B$8.4B6.36B2.5B$8.2B2AB12.4B.13B5.5B6.
2A$6.2AB.2A14.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$5.A.AB18.4B15.2A12.3A$5.A22.4B15.A
14.A$4.2A23.4B11.3A$30.4B10.A2.3A$31.4B11.A3.A$32.4B11.A.A$33.4B2.2B
5.2A.4A$34.8B5.B4.A$35.8B2.B2AB3A$36.8B.B2A.A$34.2B.11B$33.2A11B7.2A$
33.2AB.10B6.A$34.B2.10B3.BA.A$37.12B.B2A4.2A$38.13B5.A.A$37.14B5.A$
38.13B4.2A$3.2A35.9B5.2B$4.A37.8B2.5B6.3B5.2A$3.A38.2B2A12B4.4B5.A$3.
2A6.2BAB13.B.7B5.BA2BA.10B4.5B.BA.A$5.A2B2.2BABAB6.B.13B4.3B2A13B3.5B
.B2A$3.3A5BABA45B3.7B$2.A2.B.4B2A45B3.8B$2.2A3.50B3.8B4.2A$8.25B2A33B
3.A.A$8.25B2A33B3.A$7.4B.B.11B3.41B.2A$8.4B2.10B5.10B2.B3.B2.B3.18B$
8.2B2AB4.2B2.4B7.6B14.18B3.2A$10.2A10.4B8.3B13.5B3.12B.B2.A$23.4B9.B
13.2A7.12B3A$24.4B8.2A13.A8.9B.BA$25.4B8.A10.3A9.9B3.2A$26.4B7.A.A8.A
11.9B4.A$27.4B7.2A20.2B2A3B.B2A2.A.2A$28.4B26.3BA2BA2B.BA.A.A.2A$29.
4B24.2A3BABAB5.A.A$30.4B22.A.AB.2BA4B3.A.A$31.4B21.A.2B6.2A4.A$32.4B
18.A.2AB7.A$33.4B16.A.A2.B8.3A$34.4B15.A2.2A11.A$35.3BA15.A.A$36.3BA
13.2A2.A$37.3AB15.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

May13 wrote: October 7th, 2026, 1:32 am
Vort wrote: October 6th, 2026, 4:51 am
Reduced by 1 row and 1 column (9594 -> 9394):
Oh, I already reducted guntrue_7787

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x = 120, y = 77, rule = B3/S23
28b2o38bo$27bobo36b3o$21b2o4bo37bo33b2o$19bo2bo2b2ob4o33b2o26bob2obob
o$19b2obobobobo2bo45bo15b2obobo$22bobobobo25b2o19b3o19b2o$22bobob2o27b
o18bo$23bo31bobo16b2o$56b2o$36b2o$27b2o7bo36b2o30b2o$9bo17b2o5bobo36b
2o23b2o5b2o$9b3o22b2o61bobo$12bo83bobo$11b2o84bo3$3b2o$3bo$2obo20b2o$
o2b3o4b2o13bo15bo$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o16b3o$3b4o15bo21bo15b2o$3bo15b2obo20b
2o16bo$4b3o12bobob2o33b3o$7bo13bo2bo33bo$2b5o14b2o$2bo$4bo$3b2o$53b2o
$46b2o5bobo$46b2o7bo$55b2o29b2o13b2o$86b2o13b2o$42bo67b2o7bo$41bobob2o
61bo2bo5bobo$41bobobobo60b2o8b2o$38b2obobobobo2bo$38bo2bo2b2ob4o17b2o
$40b2o4bo21b2o$46bobo10b2o$30bo16b2o10bo2bo$31b2o22b2o4b2o15bo17bo$30b
2o24bo20bobo15bobo$42b2o12bobo18bobo15bobo$42bo14b2o16bobobobob2o11bo
$43bo31b2o3b2ob2o$42b2o65b2o$80b2ob2o24bo$28b2o51bobo23bobo$29bo51bob
o4b2o17b2o$29bob2o49bo6bo21b2o$30bo2bo52b3o22bobo2b2o$31b2o53bo26bo3b
o$46b2o44bo16b4ob3o$46b2o42b3o16bo2bobo$89bo22bobob3o$69b2o18b2o22b2o
bo2bo$69b2o2b2o43b2o$55bo3b2o12bobo$54bobo3bo14bo36bo$53bobo3bo15b2o34b
obo$49b2obobo3bo52bo2bo$49b2obo2b4obo51b2o$53bobo3bobo$49b2ob2o2bo2bo
bo53b2o$50bobo2b2o3bo54bobo$38b2o10bobo64bo$38b2o11bo44b2o13b2o4b2o$97b
o5bo7bo$94b3o4b3o3b2o3b3o$94bo5bo6bobo5bo$100b2o3bobob6o$105b2o$111b2o
$111b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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erictom333 wrote: October 7th, 2026, 1:55 amIt would be more economical to use one glider + sparky eater.
Here is G -> H -> MES implementation for gun_3634 (12312 -> 9956):

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x = 131, y = 76, rule = LifeHistory
30.2A$30.A.A$32.A4.2A$28.4A.2A2.A2.A$28.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$30.BABABA.A$31.
B2ABA.A$32.2B.BA$31.3B$22.2A6.4B$23.A6.B2A3B$23.A.AB3.B2A3B$24.2AB.
10B7.A$26.13B6.3A25.2A$26.14B8.A25.A5.B$26.15B6.A.A24.A.AB.3B2.2B$28.
8B2.4B5.A.AB24.2AB.3B2.2AB$28.3A3B5.4B5.A3B25.6BA2BA$27.3BA5B4.4B6.4B
22.B.7BABAB$26.3BA4.2A5.4B5.6B20.4B3A3B3AB$25.4B5.A7.4B4.7B16.B.4BA2B
2A3BA2B36.2A$24.4B7.3A5.4B2.8B.4B.B8.2A10BA5B36.A.A$23.4B10.A6.17B.B
2A7.2AB.4B2A5BA2B37.AB$22.4B19.2BA15B2A8.B4.3BABAB2A2B17.4B3.B.2A7B2.
2B$21.4B20.3B2A11B.2B16.2BABA4B17.4B.2B5A12B$20.4B21.2B2A12B18.9B17.
2A5BA4BA11B2A$19.4B22.15B19.3B3A3B17.2A5BA2B3A11B2A$18.4B21.2AB.12B
20.5BA7B.B12.B.4B2A2BA11B.B$17.4B21.A.AB2.11B20.B2A3BA11BDB9.6B2A11B$
16.4B22.A5.10B20.BA2B4A11B3DB4.3B.B.3B$3.2A10.4B22.2A5.10B19.2BABA3BA
12B3D2B2.9B2A11B$4.A9.4B29.11B18.2ABAB3A14B2D12B2A2BA11B.B$2.A10.4B
31.2B3A5B17.B2ABA4BAB2A11B2.11BA2B3A11B2A$2.5A5.4B5.2A25.B2AB2A2B.B2A
.A14.2A3B2A10B2.2B5.10BA4BA11B2A$7.A4.4B5.A25.BABAB2A3.B2AB3A13.BA2BA
BABA4B13.10B5A12B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A25.BA3BA6.B4.A12.B2A2B2A2B18.4B.B.3B.
2A7B2.2B$3.A.2B3.5BAB.B2A27.BA2BAB4.2A.3A15.7B19.4B18.AB$3.4A6BA2BA2B
29.B3AB4.A2.2A17.8B19.4B16.A.A$.2A2.BA6BA2BA2B28.8B.A.A19.4BD3B21.4B
15.2A$A2.3AB.5BABA3B19.A8.8BA.A.2A.A15.3B3D2B22.4B$2A.A.B3.10B19.3A6.
6B.2BAB.A.2A15.3B3DB24.4B$3.A8.8B21.A4.7B2.2B2.A18.7B25.4B$3.2A7.9B
19.2A4.7B3.B.2A19.B4DB7.A18.4B$13.3B2.4B18.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A17.B5D6.A.A
18.4B$11.5B3.4B19.11B2.2A2.A2.A17.BDB2D6.A.A19.4B$11.2A7.4B17.12B7.2A
18.6B4.2A.3A18.4B$12.A8.4B16.12B26.6B6.B4.A18.4B$9.3A10.4B15.11B27.7B
3.B2AB3A20.4B$9.A13.4B13.9B12.2A17.8B.B2A.A23.4B$24.4B9.2A.5A5B11.A
18.10B28.4B$25.4B7.8B2A6B.B4.2A.A17.3B2A6B29.4B$26.4B3.2B2A9BA9B2.ABA
12.2A5.2B2A6B30.4B$27.7BA6BAB2ABA2B2A2B3A3B15.A5.10B31.4B$28.5B3A3BA
3BA2BA2B2A2B2ABAB2A14.A.AB2.11B31.4B$29.4BAB2A7B2A9B2A2BA9.A5.2AB.12B
32.4B$30.3B2A3BA4B3A11B2AB7.3A7.15B32.4B$32.28B6.A10.16B32.4B$33.17B
5.B.4B5.2A9.16B.2B30.4B$33.9B2A3B11.4B.5B9.18B2A30.3BA$33.9B2A3B12.2B
2A3B10.17B.B2A31.ABA$37.3B4.2B9.2A3.B2A4B8.2A2B2.8B.4B.B33.2A$38.B6.
2B8.A4.7BAB5.ABAB4.7B$44.B2AB9.A.7BABAB3.3BA5.6B$45.2A9.2A8B2A3B.4B6.
4B$55.A3.16B5.A3B$54.A.2A16B5.A.AB$53.A2.A.AB.12B6.A.A$53.2A2.AB3.10B
8.A$63.9B2.2A.3A$61.5B5.BA2.A.A$61.2A8.B3A$62.A6.A$59.3A7.4A$59.A12.A
$71.A$71.2A!
G -> B -> MES works as well (12312 -> 12054):

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x = 123, y = 98, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A11.A$50.B2AB9.A.A$51.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$50.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$50.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$50.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$50.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$51.13B2.A.AB2.A$49.
13B5.A.A2B.A7.A.2A$48.15B5.A2B.2A7.2A.A$48.15B4.3B18.2A$47.17B.B.2B
12.3A4.A$47.29B4.BA2.A4.A6.A$46.13B2A16B4.2B2A3.2A4.3A$45.14B2A16B2.
3B.B4.B4.A$44.2AB3.27B.7B2.2B4.2A$43.A2.A4.B2A30B.B3A6B$42.A.2A5.2B2A
3B2.B2.2B2.19BAB2A3B$42.A7.2BA4B13.11B2A4B4A3B$41.2A6.8B15.8BA2BA6B2A
2B$48.4B2.2B17.7BABA5B3A2B$47.4B4.2A15.2A7B2A3BA2BA2B$46.4B6.A15.2A7B
3A2BA5B$45.4B6.A17.8BABA4BA$44.4B7.2A17.7BABA3BA2B$43.4B27.8BA7B$42.
4B29.16B$41.4B33.5BA11B$28.2A10.4B27.A7.4BABA8B2A$29.A9.4B28.3A4.3BA
3BA8B2A$27.A10.4B32.A.5BA2BA10B$27.5A5.4B5.2A25.A.A6B3A7B$32.A4.4B5.A
26.BA2B.13B$29.3AB2.7B.BA.A27.2B3.11B$28.A.2B3.7B.B2A29.2B3.11B$28.4A
12B30.B2AB3.10B$26.2A2.BA3B2A7B31.2A5.9B$25.A2.3AB.2B2A7B35.B2.10B$
25.2A.A.B3.10B34.2AB.10B.B$28.A8.8B33.2A13B2A$28.2A7.9B33.2B.11B2A$
38.3B2.4B35.3B3A6B$36.5B3.4B33.3A6B.3B$36.2A7.4B31.3BA7B$37.A8.4B29.
3BA8B$34.3A10.4B7.A19.4B.7B$34.A13.4B6.3A16.4B.7B$46.2B.4B8.A8.19B.B$
44.10B6.2A7.16B2A3B2A$43.7B.4B5.5B.B2.16B2AB.B2A$42.9B.4B6.6B.19B2.B$
41.9B3.4B4.26B$40.10B4.5BA19B2.2B2.B$39.12B4.2B3A16B$38.4B.9B3.2BAB3A
12B$37.4B4.3B2A7BABAB3A9B$36.4B5.2BA2BA10BAB2A8B$35.4B7.2B2A8B2A4BA2.
8B$34.4B9.13B4A5.B3.2A$33.4B8.15B2AB2AB7.A$32.4B9.2A5.2B.6B2.B2A.A6.
3A$31.4B11.A8.7B.B2AB3A6.A$30.4B9.3A9.6B4.B4.A$29.4B10.A11.6B3.2A.3A$
28.4B22.5B6.A.A$27.4B16.2B5.4B7.A.A$26.4B4.A12.3B4.2B2AB7.A$17.B7.4B
5.3A8.6B5.2A$15.4B5.4B9.A3.B3.7B$15.5B3.4B9.AB2.3A5BA4B65.2A$14.7B.A
3B10.A11B2A5B63.A.A$13.8BA3B13.6BA4B2A5B7.2A54.AB$5.2A5.9B3A13.A6B3A
9B6.B2A2B31.4B3.B.2A7B2.2B$6.A5.11B14.A7BA10B7.4B31.4B.2B5A12B$6.A.AB
2.10B15.BA3BABABA6BA3B7.3B30.2A5BA4BA11B2A$7.2AB.10B16.2B4A6B2A2B2A5B
3.4B4.7B.B17.2A5BA2B3A11B2A$9.15B14.11B2A3B2A11B4.13B.B12.B.4B2A2BA
11B.B$9.17B4.3B.B3.5B2A24BD19BDB9.6B2A11B$2.2A5.19B.2BA5B.5B2A6BA4BA
13BD18B3DB4.3B.B.3B$2.A.A5.20BABA10B3A5B2A17B2D18B3D2B2.9B2A11B$4.A4.
2A19BABA12BA5B3A4BA10B2D2B2A15B2D12B2A2BA11B.B$4.2A3.2A20BA13BA5B2ABA
3B3A8BD3B2A16B2.11BA2B3A11B2A$2A4.A3.39B5ABA2BA23B2.B2.2B5.10BA4BA11B
2A$A2.A.ABA.40BA4BAB2A3B4.2B2.10B4.3B9.10B5A12B$2.2A.A.A41B3AB5AB5.4B
2.6B6.B2AB10.4B.B.3B.2A7B2.2B$3.A.BA23B4.17BA3BA3B5.B2AB3.3B9.2A12.4B
18.AB$3.A2.2B.12B3.7B5.14B2.3A4B6.2A4.B26.4B16.A.A$.A.2A.B4.9B4.6B7.
11B4.5B.B2A9.2A27.4B15.2A$A.A2.A.A3.2B.4B5.7B11.7B5.B4.BA.A8.A29.4B$A
2.A2.2A2.7B5.7B13.7B3.3B6.A9.A29.4B$.2A7.A.2A9.6B14.7B.B2AB6.2A7.2A
30.4B$6.5A.A10.5B16.6B2.2A49.4B$6.A5.A.A10.3B17.4B55.4B$8.A3.2A.A9.2B
16.5B57.4B$7.2A6.A10.2B15.2A61.4B$15.2A8.B2AB15.A62.3BA$26.2A13.3A64.
3BA$41.A67.3AB!
edit: (unrelated to previous part)
Looks like it's time to start using x19 period multiplier: (gun_2071: 10368 -> 9300)

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x = 100, y = 93, rule = LifeHistory
41.A11.2A$40.A.A9.B2AB$32.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$31.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$17.2A
12.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$18.A13.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$18.A.AB12.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$19.
2AB.B9.A2.BA.A2.13B$21.4B7.A.2BA.A5.13B$21.4B7.2A.2BA5.15B$5.2A14.5B
10.3B4.5B2A8B$3.2B2AB12.6B11.2B.B.6B2A9B$3.4B13.8B2.14B2A13B$2.4B13.
24BA2BA13B$3.4B13.24B3A14B$.7B13.7B.15B2A10B3.B2A$.7B12.35B4.A2.A$2A
7B11.19B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$2A9B8.17B14.6B7.A15.2A$.B.5BABA3B2.2B.15B
14.9B6.2A8.A.2A.A.A$4.3BA3BA21B15.2A3.4B16.2A.A.A$4.2BA4BA12B.8B16.A
3.5B19.2AB$4.2BA4BA8B2A2B3.8B11.3A3.9B16.2B$4.2BA3BA9B2A2B5.B3.2A11.A
5.9B16.4B2.B$5.2BA2BA12B10.A18.9B17.8B$12.4B.3B.B12.3A14.10B17.8B$13.
4B19.A13.12B15.8B2A$14.4B22.2A8.13B13.2B2A3B.B2A$15.4B22.A9.11B14.BAB
A4B.B$16.4B7.2A12.A.AB4.12B15.ABA4B$17.4B6.A14.2AB.15B15.BA7B$18.4B6.
A15.11BA5B16.8B$19.4B4.2A15.10B3A4B17.7B$20.4B2.2B17.3B3A3BAB2A4B.B
14.8B$13.2A6.8B15.5B2A6B2A4B2A13.8B$14.A7.3B3AB13.13B3A3B.B2A13.7B$
14.A.2A5.BA2BA2B2.B2.2B2.15BA2BAB4.B14.7B$15.A2.A4.B2A2BA28BAB19.8B$
16.2AB3.2A3B2A20B.3BA5B18.10B$17.4BA2BA24B2.2BA2BAB20.10B$18.3BA2BA
24B2.2B3A2B19.7B.4B$19.2BA2BA23B4.6B19.6B3.4B$19.3B2A3B2A7B.B.2B10.7B
19.6B4.4B$20.4B2A2BA6B4.3B10.6B19.6B5.4B$20.4BA2BA7B5.A2B.2A6.7B2.2A
13.8B5.4B$21.4B3A6B5.A.A2B.A7.5B2.B2AB13.8B5.4B$23.13B2.A.AB2.A8.6B.
3B13.9B6.4B$22.8B4.2A.A.A3.A7.9B.B14.9B7.4B$22.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A5.2A.11B
.B9.10B7.4B$22.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A5.A4.11B8.5B2A3B8.4B$22.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.
A.A2.3A4.12B8.5B2A4B8.4B$23.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A3.A6.13B7.11B9.3BA$22.B2AB
9.A.A19.12B7.12BA8.ABA$23.2A11.A21.14B6.8B2.3A7.2A$59.14B5.7B6.A7.B$
60.14B4.6B6.2A$58.16B4.6B$56.A.2AB.12B3.8B$54.3AB2AB3.20B$53.A4.B5.
20B$54.3A.2A5.11B2A6B$56.A.A4.9B2A2B2A7B$56.A.A2.A.2AB.4BABA10B$57.A.
3AB2AB3.2B2A3B.7B$58.A4.B5.16B4.2A$59.3A.2A5.3B.10B5.A$61.A.A4.5B2.9B
2.BA.A$61.A.A4.2A5.9B2.B2A$62.A6.A4.13B4.2A$66.3A5.13B4.A.A2.2A$66.A
6.14B6.A3.A$72.A13B3.4A.3A$70.3A.12B3.A2.A.A$69.A5.5B.5B6.ABAB3A$69.
2A6.2B2.6B6.2ABA2.A$81.7B4.4B2.2A$80.16B$79.13BA2B$75.16BABAB$74.17BA
2BA$74.18B2AB$74.21B$76.17B.B2A$78.13B3.BA.A$76.4B3.10B4.A$76.2A6.4B
3.2A4.2A$77.A5.A3.2B2.A$74.3A4.3A2.B2A3.3A$74.A5.A6.A.A5.A$80.2A3.A.A
.6A$85.2A$91.2A$91.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

Vort wrote: October 7th, 2026, 7:59 am edit: (unrelated to previous part)
Looks like it's time to start using x19 period multiplier: (gun_2071: 10368 -> 9300)
I think a better idea is to continue fill in missing periods from 1000-2000 (it goes to about 1250 before getting patchy)
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Vort »

WhiteHawk wrote: October 8th, 2026, 7:46 pm I think a better idea is to continue fill in missing periods from 1000-2000 (it goes to about 1250 before getting patchy)
There is slight problem with this idea: guns, which consist of base and lots of multipliers, become obsolete all at once when base gun is updated. The more such guns in the collection, the more work is need to be done to reassemble them.
Anyway, I made a map, which visualizes missing periods:
gun_map_v1.png
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Also I noticed that speed tunnel and Snark in gun_1487 can be replaced with syringe and Snark64, making 9047 -> 8118 area improvement.
And it looks like this family is going to dominate prime periods in 1k-2k range if someone creates enough mod 16 attachments for it.

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x = 99, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
29.2A$28.B2AB11.2A.A.2A$29.3B4.A.2A.A2.A.2A2.A$28.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A
22.2A$28.5B8.B2.5A.A22.B2A2B$28.6B6.2ABA4.A25.4B$28.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A13.
A11.4B3.3B$29.13B2.A.A2B.A12.3A8.4B4.5B$27.13B5.A2B.2A4.A10.A6.14B$
26.15B3.3B8.3A7.2AB5.14B$26.15B3.2B12.A6.5B3.16B$25.17B.4B10.2A8.5B.
16B$25.29B3.4B2A4.22B$24.13B2A16B4.2B2A4.23B$23.14B2A16B2.7B2.24B4.3B
$22.2AB3.27B.7B3.24B.7B$21.A2.A4.35B2.23B.B2A5B$20.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.
19B.25BA2BA5B$20.A7.6B14.43B2A6B$19.2A6.9B14.48B$26.4B4.2A15.36B.6B.
2B$25.4B5.A15.35B2.8B.B$24.4B7.3A12.7B.26B4.6B.B2A$23.4B10.A10.2AB.3B
4.25B8.B3.A.A$22.4B21.A.AB9.25B12.2A$21.4B22.A10.5B2.19B4.B$20.4B22.
2A10.2A6.20B.B2A$19.4B32.A3.A6.22B2A$18.4B33.4A6.24B$17.4B43.25B$16.
4B35.2A6.24B$5.A9.4B35.B2AB4.22B.B$5.3A6.4B37.3B3.10B.12B$8.A4.4B37.B
.B3.8B5.11B$7.2A3.4B8.2A27.14B9.7B$7.8B8.A.A25.15B9.8B5.2A$3.2A4.5B5.
2A2.A26.15B9.8B6.A$2.A.BAB.5B6.A.A.2A23.16B11.8B2.BA.A$2.A.2AB2.5B6.
2A.A2.A20.16B11.10B.B2A$.2A.B.B3.5B3.3B.B2.2A19.16B12.12B$A3.2A2B2.5B
3.4B22.17B2.B10.12B$.3A2.AB.13B.B19.23B6.2AB2.9B$4.2ABA13B.B2A17.6B2A
17B4.A.AB2.8B$3.A2.A5BA10B2A15.8B2A16B5.A4.8B2.2B$3.2A2.4BABA7B.2B7.
2A7.27B3.2A4.8B.4B$7.4BABA7B11.A6.28B8.14B$8.4BA7B12.A.AB.28B10.11B2A
B$10.9B3.2A9.2AB.28B10.11B2A2B$7.B.10B.B2.A11.24B2.B.B12.14B$6.2A12B
3A12.23B2.3B15.11B$6.2AB.8B.BA14.23B2.B2AB13.13B$7.B3.6B4.2A13.21B4.
2A13.14B$12.4B6.A14.16B.B.B2A17.14B$13.4B4.A16.16B2.BA.A9.A7.13B$14.
4B3.2A15.11B2.2B6.A9.3A3.14B$15.4B19.10B11.2A11.A2.9B$16.4B19.9B23.A
2.10B$17.4B19.ABA4B19.2A3.2A11B$18.4B6.A10.B2AB.B21.A2.2A2.11B$19.4B
5.3A7.3BA25.2A2.2A10B$20.4B7.A5.4B28.A.A.B.8B$21.4B5.2A4.4B29.A2.A3.
6B$22.4B4.9B31.2A5.4B$23.4B5.6B28.2A8.4B$24.4B2.8B27.B2AB6.4B$25.15B
25.4B5.4B$26.14B26.2B5.4B$27.13B17.2A7.4B2.4B$28.10B.B2A15.A.A5.5B.4B
$30.3B2AB3.BA.A15.A.14B$30.3B2AB6.A16.14B$32.4B6.2A15.14B$32.3B24.15B
$29.AB.2B24.3B2A12B$28.A.AB2AB23.3B2A13B$28.A.ABABAB20.2AB.11B2.4B$
25.2A.A.A.A.A2.A17.A.AB2.8B5.4B$25.A2.A2.2A.4A17.A5.10B4.4B$27.2A4.A
20.2A5.B.B5.2A5.4B$33.A.A26.3B4.A7.3BA$34.2A25.B2AB5.3A5.3BA$62.2A8.A
6.3AB!
Last edited by Vort on October 10th, 2026, 2:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

Vort wrote: October 9th, 2026, 11:30 am Also I noticed that speed tunnel and Snark in gun_1487 can be replaced with syringe and Snark64, making 9047 -> 8118 area improvement.
And it looks like this family is going to dominate prime periods in 1k-2k range if someone creates enough mod 16(?) attachments for it.
Stators! Stators! - guntrue_1487 down another row (8118 -> 8036)

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x = 98, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
28b2o11bo$28b2o10bobo$40bobo2b2o3bo$39b2ob2o2bo2bobo21b2o$43bobo3bobo
21b2o$39b2obo2b4obo$39b2obobo3bo13bo$43bobo3bo12b3o$44bobo3bo3bo10bo$
45bo3b2o3b3o7b2o$57bo$56b2o$60b2o$36b2o22b2o$36b2o$21b2o$20bo2bo66b2o
$19bob2o66bo2bo$19bo70b2o$18b2o2$32b2o$33bo61b2o$31bo15b2o46bobo$31b2o
13bobo47b2o$46bo$45b2o10b2o28b2o$54bo3bo28b2o$54b4o2$54b2o$4bo49b2o$4b
3o$7bo$6b2o15b2o$22bobo62b2o$2b2o14b2o2bo64bo$bo2bo13bobob2o61bobo$bo
b2o14b2obo2bo59b2o$2o22b2o$o2b2o$b2o2bo65b2o$3b2obo15b2o23b2o21bobo$b
2o2bo5bo10b2o23b2o21bo$o2bo6bobo17b2o37b2o$b2o7bobo18bo$11bo19bobo51b
2o$21b2o9b2o51b2o$22bo$5b2o12b3o$5b2o12bo40b2o$20b2o38b2o$21bo34b2o$20b
o35bobo9bo$20b2o36bo9b3o$58b2o11bo$70bo$39bobo23b2o3b2o$27bo11b2o24bo
2b2o$27b3o10bo25b2o2b2o$30bo37bobo$29b2o37bo2bo$69b2o$65b2o$65b2o3$57b
o$39b2o15bobo$32b2o5bobo15bo$32b2o7bo$41b2o2$28bo31b2o$27bobob2o27b2o
$27bobobobo21b2o$24b2obobobobo2bo17bobo$24bo2bo2b2ob4o17bo$26b2o4bo20b
2o13b2o$32bobo33bo10bo$33b2o26b2o6b3o8bo$61b2o8bo6b3o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Vort »

New 1 mod 16 attachment for gun family I mentioned previously allowed for 6 optimizations:
gun_1873: 13734 -> 10332
gun_1889: 13860 -> 10414
gun_2017: 13298 -> 11880
gun_2081: 14430 -> 12788
gun_2113: 14916 -> 13254
gun_2129: 15162 -> 13490

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x = 126, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
56.2A11.A$55.B2AB9.A.A$56.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$55.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A21.2A$
55.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A20.B2A2B$55.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A22.4B$55.8B4.2A.A.A3.A13.
A11.4B3.3B$56.13B2.A.AB2.A12.3A8.4B4.5B$54.13B5.A.A2B.A3.A10.A6.14B$
53.15B5.A2B.2A3.3A7.2AB5.14B$53.15B4.3B10.A6.5B3.16B$52.17B.B.2B10.2A
8.5B.16B$52.29B3.4B2A4.22B$51.13B2A16B4.2B2A4.23B$50.14B2A16B2.7B2.
24B4.3B$49.2AB3.27B.7B3.24B.7B$48.A2.A4.35B2.23B.B2A5B$47.A.2A5.7B2.B
2.2B2.19B.25BA2BA5B$47.A7.7B13.43B2A6B$46.2A6.8B15.48B$53.4B2.2B17.
36B.6B.2B$52.4B4.2A15.35B2.8B.B$51.4B6.A15.7B.26B4.6B.B2A$50.4B5.A15.
2AB.3B4.25B8.B3.A.A$49.4B6.2A13.A.AB9.25B12.2A$48.4B22.A10.5B2.19B4.B
$47.4B22.2A10.2A6.20B.B2A$46.4B32.A3.A6.22B2A$45.4B33.4A6.24B$44.4B
43.25B$43.4B35.2A6.24B$42.4B35.B2AB4.22B.B$41.4B37.3B3.10B.12B$40.4B
37.B.B3.8B5.11B$39.4B37.14B9.7B$38.4B36.15B9.8B5.2A$37.4B36.15B9.8B6.
A$36.4B35.16B11.8B2.BA.A$35.4B35.16B11.10B.B2A$34.4B35.16B12.12B$33.
4B34.17B2.B10.12B$32.4B34.23B6.2AB2.9B$31.4B34.6B2A17B4.A.AB2.8B$30.
4B6.A26.8B2A16B5.A4.8B2.2B$29.5B4.3A17.2A7.27B3.2A4.8B.4B$28.8B.A21.A
6.28B8.14B$27.9BA.A20.A.AB.28B10.11B2AB$26.8B.2BAB21.2AB.28B10.11B2A
2B$25.8B3.2B24.24B2.B.B12.14B$9.2A13.8B3.2B25.23B2.3B15.11B$7.2B2AB
11.8B3.B2AB24.23B2.B2AB13.13B$7.4B11.8B5.2A26.21B4.2A13.14B$7.5B9.8B
19.A15.16B.B.B2A17.14B$7.7B6.8B.3B.B12.3A16.16B2.BA.A9.A7.13B$8.6B3.
18B10.A19.11B2.2B6.A9.3A3.14B$8.24B2A2B5.B3.2A11.A6.10B11.2A11.A2.9B$
7.25B2A2B3.8B11.3A5.9B23.A2.10B$7.29B.8B16.A5.ABA4B19.2A3.2A11B$7.38B
15.2A4.B2AB.B21.A2.2A2.11B$6.20B2.2B.15B14.8BA6.2A17.2A2.2A10B$5.18B
8.17B14.6B7.A20.A.A.B.8B$4.17B11.19B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A20.A2.A3.6B$4.
16B12.35B4.A2.A22.2A5.4B$4.16B13.7B.27B3.B2A19.2A8.4B$2.2AB.7B.8B10.
25B2A14B19.B2AB6.4B$.A.AB3.4B4.B3.2A9.26B2A13B20.4B5.4B$.A4.5B9.A11.
8B2.29B22.2B5.4B$2A4.2A13.3A8.6B11.2B.B.17B14.A7.4B2.4B$7.A15.A9.5B
10.3B4.15B14.A.A5.5B.4B$4.3A26.4B7.2A.2BA5.15B15.A.14B$4.A29.3B7.A.2B
A.A5.13B17.14B$32.4B9.A2.BA.A2.13B19.14B$32.2A12.A3.A.A.2A4.8B18.15B$
33.A10.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B17.3B2A12B$30.3A10.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B17.3B2A13B$30.
A12.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B15.2AB.11B2.4B$44.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B15.A.AB2.8B5.4B
$52.A.A9.B2AB14.A5.10B4.4B$53.A11.2A14.2A5.B.B5.2A5.4B$89.3B4.A7.3BA$
88.B2AB5.3A5.3BA$89.2A8.A6.3AB!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by ElijahKen »

WhiteHawk wrote: October 3rd, 2026, 4:25 pm Reduction to a certain group of prime-period guns of family 31+120n (demonstrating using guntrue_8171)

New design, using repositioned snarks and Semi-snarks (BB 13696)

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x = 128, y = 107, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo$52b2o$47b2ob
o2bo$43bo3b2ob2o$42bobo$43bo$14b2o$14bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2o
bo24b3o27bo$6bo2bob2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o$3bo
bo10bobo13bobo$3bo13bo16bo4b2o12b2o25bo11b2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo9b2o25b
obo10b2o$bobob2o23bo2bobobobob2o11bo12bo3bo3b2o2bobo$bobob2o26bobobob
o25b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$2obo7b2o21b2obobo24bo5bobo3bobo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o
15bo25b2o5bob4o2bob2o$b2o3bo4b2o8bobob2o46bo3bobob2o$3b2o18bobo46bo3b
obo$3bo19bobo7b2o36bo3bobo$5bo16b2obobo5b2o36b2o3bo$4b2o20b2o3$84b2o$
84b2o$63bo35b2o$98bo2bo$36b2o25bo35b2obo$36bo15b2o48bo$37b3o12b2o48b2o
$39bo$88b2o$59b2o27bo$59b2o12b2o14bo$57bo15bobo12b2o$42bo12b2o18bo$42b
3o10b2o7bo10b2o$45bo9b2o7bo$44bobo$44bobo13bo$3b2o40bo14b3o$4bo55b3o$
2bo$2b5o14b2o$7bo13bo$4b3o12bobo$3bo15b2o102b2o$3b4o116bo$b2o3bo3b2o25b
2o86bo$o2b3o4b2o25bo2bo64b2o14b5o$2obo35b2o65bo13bo$3bo102bobo12b3o$3b
2o102b2o15bo$47b2o72b4o$47b2o67b2o3bo3b2o$11b2o45b2ob2o53b2o4b3o2bo$12b
o42b2o2bobo62bob2o$9b3o43b2obo2bo62bo$9bo48bobo62b2o$55b2o2bo$54bo2b2o
$53bobobo57b2o$35bo18bo2bo57bo$35b3o19bob2o55b3o$38bo17b2o2bo33bo23bo
$37b2o14bobo2bo33b3o$33b2o18b2o2bo33bo$33bobo22b3o30b2o$33bo26bo2$59b
o$57b3o$56bo$56b2o$27bo53b2o$27b3o50bobo5b2o$30bo49bo7b2o$29bo49b2o$29b
2o$27b2o2bo61bo$26bo2b3o57b2obobo$27bo23bo36bobobobo$28b4o6b2o3b2o5bo
bo32bo2bobobobob2o$30bo7b2o3b2o6bo33b4ob2o2bo2bo$32bo30bo25bo4b2o$31b
2o31bo22bobo$62b3o22b2o!
...

Got to get going now, but this is merely a proof that a lot of high-period guns can be reduced by this POG method.
Inspired by this revisitation of my idea, I wrote a (semi-vibecoded) script to search the catagolue tabulation for periods it could reduce. I then wrote another script to construct each such reduction. After a lot of debugging, and the removal of 52 candidates that failed due to signal collisions, I ended up with the following 288 gun reductions, ranging from 6440 cell improvements to just 2 cells:

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gun_3347 reduced from 17550 cells to 11110 cells, a 6440 cell reduction
gun_3347, 17550 -> 11110, reduction of 6440
gun_4919, 16065 -> 11433, reduction of 4632
gun_4831, 15312 -> 11330, reduction of 3982
gun_4967, 15930 -> 12084, reduction of 3846
gun_3571, 15351 -> 11514, reduction of 3837
gun_4871, 15561 -> 11760, reduction of 3801
gun_5347, 15738 -> 12064, reduction of 3674
gun_4759, 15065 -> 11440, reduction of 3625
gun_4751, 14820 -> 11227, reduction of 3593
gun_2633, 14880 -> 11322, reduction of 3558
gun_4783, 14916 -> 11655, reduction of 3261
gun_4723, 14384 -> 11124, reduction of 3260
gun_5051, 15498 -> 12305, reduction of 3193
gun_6427, 14410 -> 11220, reduction of 3190
gun_7507, 15327 -> 12138, reduction of 3189
gun_5171, 14850 -> 11856, reduction of 2994
gun_7499, 16335 -> 13625, reduction of 2710
gun_6779, 15390 -> 12971, reduction of 2419
gun_6203, 13625 -> 11227, reduction of 2398
gun_5167, 14868 -> 12519, reduction of 2349
gun_6359, 14410 -> 12091, reduction of 2319
gun_6719, 14706 -> 12412, reduction of 2294
gun_7589, 15930 -> 13699, reduction of 2231
gun_4987, 13650 -> 11433, reduction of 2217
gun_7477, 15930 -> 13728, reduction of 2202
gun_5867, 14630 -> 12463, reduction of 2167
gun_6763, 14896 -> 12744, reduction of 2152
gun_7243, 15327 -> 13176, reduction of 2151
gun_3917, 14630 -> 12480, reduction of 2150
gun_7027, 13875 -> 11730, reduction of 2145
gun_7867, 14518 -> 12444, reduction of 2074
gun_3853, 14445 -> 12376, reduction of 2069
gun_6343, 13932 -> 11872, reduction of 2060
gun_6907, 13640 -> 11628, reduction of 2012
gun_7349, 15428 -> 13493, reduction of 1935
gun_5413, 15128 -> 13287, reduction of 1841
gun_6211, 13268 -> 11440, reduction of 1828
gun_6547, 13038 -> 11322, reduction of 1716
gun_5711, 14040 -> 12360, reduction of 1680
gun_5059, 14148 -> 12528, reduction of 1620
gun_5147, 14231 -> 12636, reduction of 1595
gun_4019, 13860 -> 12322, reduction of 1538
gun_3907, 13640 -> 12120, reduction of 1520
gun_3851, 13530 -> 12019, reduction of 1511
gun_3739, 13310 -> 11817, reduction of 1493
gun_4243, 14430 -> 12978, reduction of 1452
gun_7591, 15065 -> 13625, reduction of 1440
gun_7723, 15048 -> 13608, reduction of 1440
gun_7603, 14934 -> 13500, reduction of 1434
gun_7351, 14835 -> 13407, reduction of 1428
gun_7541, 16016 -> 14688, reduction of 1328
gun_6991, 14351 -> 13080, reduction of 1271
gun_5779, 13568 -> 12360, reduction of 1208
gun_8087, 15494 -> 14300, reduction of 1194
gun_7963, 15004 -> 13824, reduction of 1180
gun_5419, 14125 -> 12960, reduction of 1165
gun_8191, 15318 -> 14170, reduction of 1148
gun_6871, 14112 -> 12971, reduction of 1141
gun_7517, 15428 -> 14310, reduction of 1118
gun_3701, 13728 -> 12614, reduction of 1114
gun_8219, 15498 -> 14410, reduction of 1088
gun_7237, 14592 -> 13520, reduction of 1072
gun_3037, 13054 -> 12000, reduction of 1054
gun_2953, 13189 -> 12138, reduction of 1051
gun_2957, 12840 -> 11800, reduction of 1040
gun_2917, 12733 -> 11700, reduction of 1033
gun_2833, 12862 -> 11832, reduction of 1030
gun_2837, 12519 -> 11500, reduction of 1019
gun_2753, 12644 -> 11628, reduction of 1016
gun_3433, 15162 -> 14148, reduction of 1014
gun_2797, 12412 -> 11400, reduction of 1012
gun_2713, 12535 -> 11526, reduction of 1009
gun_8647, 15892 -> 14896, reduction of 996
gun_3313, 14430 -> 13440, reduction of 990
gun_7853, 15255 -> 14280, reduction of 975
gun_8287, 15142 -> 14170, reduction of 972
gun_8167, 14896 -> 13932, reduction of 964
gun_8179, 14896 -> 13932, reduction of 964
gun_7229, 14351 -> 13390, reduction of 961
gun_5939, 14560 -> 13608, reduction of 952
gun_8039, 14541 -> 13589, reduction of 952
gun_7919, 14430 -> 13482, reduction of 948
gun_6199, 12495 -> 11550, reduction of 945
gun_7699, 14319 -> 13375, reduction of 944
gun_7459, 14097 -> 13161, reduction of 936
gun_7219, 13875 -> 12947, reduction of 928
gun_5323, 13776 -> 12852, reduction of 924
gun_5591, 13750 -> 12826, reduction of 924
gun_8527, 15576 -> 14652, reduction of 924
gun_3677, 13208 -> 12285, reduction of 923
gun_7079, 13653 -> 12733, reduction of 920
gun_5227, 13431 -> 12519, reduction of 912
gun_4357, 13986 -> 13081, reduction of 905
gun_7727, 14874 -> 13970, reduction of 904
gun_5623, 13104 -> 12257, reduction of 847
gun_7109, 14112 -> 13287, reduction of 825
gun_6967, 13640 -> 12852, reduction of 788
gun_6959, 13407 -> 12626, reduction of 781
gun_7549, 15576 -> 14796, reduction of 780
gun_8101, 15372 -> 14595, reduction of 777
gun_7951, 14715 -> 13952, reduction of 763
gun_8093, 15246 -> 14490, reduction of 756
gun_4283, 14190 -> 13440, reduction of 750
gun_5381, 14762 -> 14017, reduction of 745
gun_8863, 15640 -> 14896, reduction of 744
gun_8623, 15142 -> 14410, reduction of 732
gun_4003, 13392 -> 12669, reduction of 723
gun_3947, 13284 -> 12566, reduction of 718
gun_8263, 14410 -> 13696, reduction of 714
gun_6131, 13482 -> 12772, reduction of 710
gun_6011, 14190 -> 13482, reduction of 708
gun_5923, 14080 -> 13375, reduction of 705
gun_3779, 12960 -> 12257, reduction of 703
gun_5827, 13734 -> 13038, reduction of 696
gun_5839, 13608 -> 12915, reduction of 693
gun_5407, 13298 -> 12614, reduction of 684
gun_5387, 13189 -> 12508, reduction of 681
gun_3499, 12420 -> 11742, reduction of 678
gun_5231, 13080 -> 12402, reduction of 678
gun_5399, 13068 -> 12390, reduction of 678
gun_6823, 12971 -> 12296, reduction of 675
gun_6703, 12862 -> 12190, reduction of 672
gun_8461, 16002 -> 15336, reduction of 666
gun_8861, 17415 -> 16758, reduction of 657
gun_5563, 13375 -> 12720, reduction of 655
gun_5851, 14148 -> 13500, reduction of 648
gun_4229, 13520 -> 12875, reduction of 645
gun_5843, 13910 -> 13268, reduction of 642
gun_7829, 14520 -> 13905, reduction of 615
gun_6619, 13020 -> 12412, reduction of 608
gun_8741, 17028 -> 16498, reduction of 530
gun_3389, 14430 -> 13910, reduction of 520
gun_3257, 13716 -> 13208, reduction of 508
gun_4219, 13716 -> 13208, reduction of 508
gun_3217, 13482 -> 12978, reduction of 504
gun_3229, 13482 -> 12978, reduction of 504
gun_4211, 13482 -> 12978, reduction of 504
gun_3137, 13268 -> 12772, reduction of 496
gun_4051, 13268 -> 12772, reduction of 496
gun_4099, 13144 -> 12648, reduction of 496
gun_3109, 13038 -> 12546, reduction of 492
gun_5981, 15008 -> 14522, reduction of 486
gun_3931, 12826 -> 12342, reduction of 484
gun_4621, 14097 -> 13624, reduction of 473
gun_2897, 12626 -> 12154, reduction of 472
gun_2909, 12508 -> 12036, reduction of 472
gun_2857, 12519 -> 12051, reduction of 468
gun_3659, 12519 -> 12051, reduction of 468
gun_5333, 13780 -> 13312, reduction of 468
gun_5987, 13482 -> 13020, reduction of 462
gun_2777, 12305 -> 11845, reduction of 460
gun_2789, 12190 -> 11730, reduction of 460
gun_3547, 12305 -> 11845, reduction of 460
gun_2749, 12084 -> 11628, reduction of 456
gun_3491, 12198 -> 11742, reduction of 456
gun_3539, 12084 -> 11628, reduction of 456
gun_7253, 14208 -> 13755, reduction of 453
gun_5479, 12947 -> 12495, reduction of 452
gun_5647, 12932 -> 12480, reduction of 452
gun_7019, 13640 -> 13189, reduction of 451
gun_2657, 11984 -> 11536, reduction of 448
gun_5471, 12720 -> 12272, reduction of 448
gun_6947, 12733 -> 12285, reduction of 448
gun_6827, 12626 -> 12180, reduction of 446
gun_2617, 11877 -> 11433, reduction of 444
gun_5039, 12412 -> 11970, reduction of 442
gun_5107, 12412 -> 11970, reduction of 442
gun_5207, 12402 -> 11960, reduction of 442
gun_4951, 12305 -> 11865, reduction of 440
gun_5119, 12296 -> 11856, reduction of 440
gun_4931, 12198 -> 11760, reduction of 438
gun_4943, 12084 -> 11648, reduction of 436
gun_8069, 14520 -> 14111, reduction of 409
gun_5861, 14278 -> 13936, reduction of 342
gun_6899, 13407 -> 13080, reduction of 327
gun_3449, 14672 -> 14388, reduction of 284
gun_8501, 16263 -> 15984, reduction of 279
gun_3329, 13952 -> 13674, reduction of 278
gun_3337, 13952 -> 13674, reduction of 278
gun_3361, 13952 -> 13674, reduction of 278
gun_3373, 13952 -> 13674, reduction of 278
gun_5651, 13104 -> 12826, reduction of 278
gun_3301, 13716 -> 13440, reduction of 276
gun_7927, 13992 -> 13716, reduction of 276
gun_4259, 13482 -> 13208, reduction of 274
gun_8317, 15008 -> 14734, reduction of 274
gun_3209, 13250 -> 12978, reduction of 272
gun_3221, 13250 -> 12978, reduction of 272
gun_3253, 13250 -> 12978, reduction of 272
gun_3181, 13020 -> 12750, reduction of 270
gun_3169, 13144 -> 12875, reduction of 269
gun_4091, 12915 -> 12648, reduction of 267
gun_9187, 15162 -> 14896, reduction of 266
gun_3121, 12810 -> 12546, reduction of 264
gun_3089, 12932 -> 12669, reduction of 263
gun_3061, 12705 -> 12444, reduction of 261
gun_3049, 12826 -> 12566, reduction of 260
gun_3041, 12600 -> 12342, reduction of 258
gun_3923, 12600 -> 12342, reduction of 258
gun_3001, 12495 -> 12240, reduction of 255
gun_2969, 12614 -> 12360, reduction of 254
gun_9199, 15640 -> 15390, reduction of 250
gun_7573, 15428 -> 15180, reduction of 248
gun_9203, 15390 -> 15142, reduction of 248
gun_2861, 12180 -> 11934, reduction of 246
gun_8839, 14896 -> 14652, reduction of 244
gun_8951, 14896 -> 14652, reduction of 244
gun_3643, 12075 -> 11832, reduction of 243
gun_8831, 14652 -> 14410, reduction of 242
gun_7757, 14763 -> 14522, reduction of 241
gun_2801, 11970 -> 11730, reduction of 240
gun_2741, 11865 -> 11628, reduction of 237
gun_2729, 11978 -> 11742, reduction of 236
gun_7487, 13986 -> 13750, reduction of 236
gun_7247, 13764 -> 13530, reduction of 234
gun_9091, 15376 -> 15142, reduction of 234
gun_2689, 11872 -> 11639, reduction of 233
gun_7127, 13653 -> 13420, reduction of 233
gun_5783, 13500 -> 13268, reduction of 232
gun_8231, 13462 -> 13230, reduction of 232
gun_8243, 13462 -> 13230, reduction of 232
gun_7559, 13392 -> 13161, reduction of 231
gun_6079, 13230 -> 13000, reduction of 230
gun_8011, 13230 -> 13000, reduction of 230
gun_8111, 13230 -> 13000, reduction of 230
gun_8627, 14640 -> 14410, reduction of 230
gun_2621, 11550 -> 11322, reduction of 228
gun_4502, 13020 -> 12792, reduction of 228
gun_2609, 11660 -> 11433, reduction of 227
gun_8467, 13688 -> 13462, reduction of 226
gun_5639, 12705 -> 12480, reduction of 225
gun_5807, 12688 -> 12463, reduction of 225
gun_6607, 12753 -> 12528, reduction of 225
gun_7643, 12688 -> 12463, reduction of 225
gun_7523, 12584 -> 12360, reduction of 224
gun_5531, 12495 -> 12272, reduction of 223
gun_6599, 12528 -> 12305, reduction of 223
gun_7039, 12508 -> 12285, reduction of 223
gun_5443, 12390 -> 12168, reduction of 222
gun_7151, 12390 -> 12168, reduction of 222
gun_7283, 12376 -> 12154, reduction of 222
gun_5099, 12190 -> 11970, reduction of 220
gun_6679, 12190 -> 11970, reduction of 220
gun_6911, 12180 -> 11960, reduction of 220
gun_7043, 12168 -> 11948, reduction of 220
gun_5011, 12084 -> 11865, reduction of 219
gun_5179, 12075 -> 11856, reduction of 219
gun_5279, 12064 -> 11845, reduction of 219
gun_6791, 12075 -> 11856, reduction of 219
gun_5023, 11970 -> 11752, reduction of 218
gun_6571, 11970 -> 11752, reduction of 218
gun_5003, 11865 -> 11648, reduction of 217
gun_6451, 11865 -> 11648, reduction of 217
gun_6551, 11865 -> 11648, reduction of 217
gun_6311, 11655 -> 11440, reduction of 215
gun_6323, 11544 -> 11330, reduction of 214
gun_5507, 13268 -> 13068, reduction of 200
gun_7013, 13734 -> 13545, reduction of 189
gun_5659, 13230 -> 13054, reduction of 176
gun_7687, 13674 -> 13500, reduction of 174
gun_5683, 13455 -> 13284, reduction of 171
gun_5503, 12875 -> 12720, reduction of 155
gun_8971, 15048 -> 14896, reduction of 152
gun_8963, 14803 -> 14652, reduction of 151
gun_9227, 15750 -> 15640, reduction of 110
gun_6883, 12947 -> 12852, reduction of 95
gun_6229, 14820 -> 14734, reduction of 86
gun_4789, 14630 -> 14552, reduction of 78
gun_4733, 14520 -> 14445, reduction of 75
gun_4349, 13860 -> 13803, reduction of 57
gun_4157, 13530 -> 13482, reduction of 48
gun_4021, 13189 -> 13144, reduction of 45
gun_4093, 13420 -> 13375, reduction of 45
gun_4397, 13716 -> 13674, reduction of 42
gun_4261, 13375 -> 13335, reduction of 40
gun_4133, 13161 -> 13125, reduction of 36
gun_6043, 12705 -> 12669, reduction of 36
gun_4013, 13068 -> 13038, reduction of 30
gun_3877, 12733 -> 12705, reduction of 28
gun_4637, 13886 -> 13860, reduction of 26
gun_3821, 12744 -> 12720, reduction of 24
gun_4373, 13335 -> 13312, reduction of 23
gun_4253, 13250 -> 13230, reduction of 20
gun_9067, 14672 -> 14652, reduction of 20
gun_3989, 12705 -> 12688, reduction of 17
gun_3797, 12390 -> 12376, reduction of 14
gun_3733, 12285 -> 12272, reduction of 13
gun_4549, 13392 -> 13390, reduction of 2
The actual RLE of these guns is too big for a forums post, so I attached as a zip instead. I'm not sure of the best way to upload these to catagolue, and it feels like it might crash it or something. Can someone with more knowledge advise me on this? (The full RLE I attached is 393784 characters long!)

(Edited to include quote, and a second time to correct quote)
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Chris857 »

ElijahKen wrote: October 10th, 2026, 11:38 pm The actual RLE of these guns is too big for a forums post, so I attached as a zip instead. I'm not sure of the best way to upload these to catagolue, and it feels like it might crash it or something. Can someone with more knowledge advise me on this? (The full RLE I attached is 393784 characters long!)

(Edited to include quote, and a second time to correct quote)
Boring answer - submit only a couple 3 times a day, that way it shouldn't break anything. Might take a month though...
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: October 10th, 2026, 11:38 pm I'm not sure of the best way to upload these to catagolue, and it feels like it might crash it or something. Can someone with more knowledge advise me on this?
I prefer to upload guns one by one (with yet another script).
If Catagolue fails to process 300 rles, it can process 100, 100, 100 - at different times.
I was going to extract guns from your rle and upload them with my script, but because someone already submitted half of them via single rle, it is better now to wait 8 more hours and see what will happen instead.
edit 1:
I remembered that it is possible to run Catagolue verification locally.
The result of such run was bad - script was treating these guns as syntheses recipes, lagging in the process and throwing "Invalid component" and "Null component" errors.
So I suggest @apg to remove upload starting with 3091b2o2bo2355b2o2bo$ from the queue - to not waste CPU and our time.
Also I proceeded with initial plan and uploaded all 288 guns one by one - this upload should be fine.
edit 2:
Luckily, processing of single problematic rle did not caused timeout and took roughly two hours.
Next two hours verifier spent processing separate rles.
So 300 properly formatted guns is acceptable load for it.
Timeout is set to 6 hours right now, so theoretically up to 1k guns can be processed in one go, but processing time highly depends on gun period, so I think 500 guns is a more realistic limit.
Last edited by Vort on October 11th, 2026, 12:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Jormungant wrote: October 13th, 2026, 12:01 am p7363 prime gun with a peculiar mecanism... maybe there is a better geometry to use though.
7363 is 37x199, so guntrue_7363 is a composite gun

Anyway, this is a smaller design

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x = 123, y = 108, rule = B3/S23
37b2o2bo$36bob4o$36bo$34b2ob7o$32bo2bobo6bo$32b2o3bob2o2b2o$36b2ob2o7b
2o$49bo$47bo$47b5o$37bo13bo$36bobo6b4o$36bobo6bo2bo$37bo$52b2o$47b2ob
o2bo$47b2ob2o3$14b2o$14bo$9b2o5bo19b2o$9bo5b2o20bo$6b2obo24b3o$6bo2bo
b2o2b2o17bo$8b2obo3b2o$11bo$11b2o$4b2o11bo14b2o$3bobo10bobo13bobo$3bo
13bo16bo4b2o$2obo26b4ob2o2bo2bo$bobob2o23bo2bobobobob2o39bo11b2o$bobo
b2o26bobobobo41bobo10b2o$2obo7b2o21b2obobo29bo3bo3b2o2bobo$o2b4o3bo2b
o7b2o15bo28b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$b2o3bo4b2o8bobob2o39bo5bobo3bobo$3b2o18b
obo40b2o5bob4o2bob2o$3bo19bobo7b2o40bo3bobob2o$5bo16b2obobo5b2o39bo3b
obo$4b2o20b2o45bo3bobo$73b2o3bo4$86b2o$86b2o$36b2o63b2o$36bo63bo2bo$37b
3o61b2obo$39bo14b2o48bo$54b2o48b2o2$90b2o$90bo$75b2o15bo$75bobo13b2o$
44bo32bo$44b3o30b2o$47bo$3b2o41bobo$4bo41bobo69b2o$2bo44bo70bo$2b5o14b
2o97bo$7bo13bo78b2o14b5o$4b3o12bobo79bo13bo$3bo15b2o80bobo12b3o$3b4o95b
2o15bo$b2o3bo3b2o104b4o$o2b3o4b2o99b2o3bo3b2o$2obo35b2o70b2o4b3o2bo$3b
o35bo2bo76bob2o$3b2o36b2o76bo$118b2o2$11b2o36b2o$12bo36b2o59b2o$9b3o48b
2ob2o45bo$9bo47b2o2bobo47b3o$57b2obo2bo25bo23bo$60bobo24b3o$57b2o2bo24b
o$56bo2b2o25b2o$55bobobo$37bo18bo2bo$37b3o19bob2o$40bo17b2o2bo$39b2o14b
obo2bo$55b2o2bo$36b2o22b3o13b2o$36bobo23bo12bobo5b2o$36bo38bo7b2o$61b
o12b2o$59b3o$58bo29bo$58b2o24b2obobo$29bo53bobobobo$29b3o48bo2bobobob
ob2o$32bo47b4ob2o2bo2bo$31bo52bo4b2o$31b2o49bobo$29b2o2bo48b2o$28bo2b
3o$29bo23bo$30b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo$32bo7b2o3b2o6bo10bo$34bo30bo$33b2o28b3o
!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 12:27 am 7363 is 37x199, so guntrue_7363 is a composite gun
Anyway, this is a smaller design

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x = 123, y = 108, rule = B3/S23
...
x37 multiplier makes it even smaller:

Code: Select all

x = 113, y = 106, rule = LifeHistory
16.2A$15.B2A2B7.2A$16.4B6.B2AB$11.2A4.6B4.2B$10.B2AB2.8B4.2B9.A$11.3B
.17B7.3A$9.2B.B2.18B9.A$8.27B6.A.A$7.29B5.A.AB$6.11B3A17B5.A3B$6.11BA
BA18B6.4B$6.9BA3BA12B3.4B5.6B$4.2AB4.B.2BAB2A2BA7B.B5.4B4.7B$3.A.AB8.
A3BA5B.2B9.4B2.8B.4B.B$3.A12.B2A4B15.17B.B2A$2.2A9.10BA15.18B2A$12.5B
A5BA15.16B.2B$12.5BA4BAB14.17B$3.A8.8B3A11.2A.A16B$2.A.A2.2A3.8B.4B9.
A.2A.14B$.A.A2.A.A3.7B4.2A16.12B$.A2.2A.B4.7B4.A18.10B$2.A.A2.2B3.ABA
3B6.3A15.2B2A6B$.2A.A.BA2B.B2A4B8.A14.3B2A6B$4.A.A.A4BA4B24.10B$.4A2.
A.8B25.8B.B2A.A$.A3.2A4.6B24.7B3.B2AB3A$3.A.B6.6B23.6B6.B4.A$2.2AB2AB
3.7B24.6B4.2A.3A$5.2AB.8B25.5B4.A2.2A$2.2A3.10B24.4BA3B.A.A$2.A4.6B2A
3B14.A8.4B2A2BA.A.2A.A$3.A3.6B2A2B15.3A6.3BABA.2BAB.A.2A$2.2A3.10B18.
A4.7B2.2B2.A$6.12B16.2A4.7B3.B.2A$6.14B.2A11.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$5.16BA2.A
11.3A8B2.2A2.A2.A$4.17B2.2A10.BA4BA5B7.2A$.2B.16B15.A5BA5B$2A18B15.A
10B$2AB.17B13.6B2AB12.2A$.B.4B.8B2.4B9.2B.5BA3BA11.A$8.7B4.4B7.7BA2B
2ABA2B.B4.BA.A$9.6B5.4B3.12BA3BA6B2.B2A$11.4B6.18BABA11B11.A$13.3BA5.
17B3A12B9.A.A$14.BA.A5.31B9.A.A$15.A.A6.30B.2B5.2A.3A$16.A9.32B5.B4.A
$17.3A7.17B5.B.8B2.B2AB3A.A$19.A7.14B11.8B.B2A.A2.A.A$27.14B9.2B.11B
4.A.A$31.3B4.2B9.2A11B5.2A.3A$32.B6.2B8.2AB.10B5.B4.A$38.B2AB8.B2.10B
3.B2AB3A.A$39.2A12.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$54.15B4.A.A$53.14B5.2A.3A$54.14B5.B
4.A$56.12B3.B2AB3A.A$58.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$58.16B4.A.A$58.14B5.2A.3A$59.
14B5.B4.A$60.13B3.B2AB3A.A$63.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$63.16B4.A.A$63.14B5.2A.
3A$64.14B5.B4.A$65.13B3.B2AB3A$68.12B.B2A.A$68.16B$68.14B7.2A$69.14B
6.A$70.13B3.BA.A$73.12B.B2A4.2A$73.8B2A4B5.A.A$73.7BA2BA3B5.A$74.6BA
2BA3B4.2A$39.2A34.6B2A2B5.2B$40.A37.8B2.5B6.3B5.2A$39.A38.16B4.4B5.A$
39.2A6.2BAB13.B.7B5.2B2AB.10B4.5B.BA.A$41.A2B2.2BABAB6.B.13B4.3B2A13B
3.5B.B2A$39.3A5BABA45B3.7B$38.A2.B.4B2A45B3.8B$38.2A3.50B3.8B4.2A$44.
25B2A33B3.A.A$44.25B2A33B3.A$43.4B.B.11B3.41B.2A$44.4B2.10B5.10B2.B3.
B2.B3.18B$44.2B2AB4.2B2.4B7.6B14.18B3.2A$46.2A10.4B8.3B13.5B3.12B.B2.
A$59.4B9.B13.2A7.12B3A$60.4B8.2A13.A8.9B.BA$61.4B8.A10.3A4.2A3.9B3.2A
$62.4B7.A.A8.A6.A4.9B4.A$63.4B7.2A12.2A.A4.2B2A3B.B2A2.A.2A$64.4B20.A
2.3A.2BA2BA2B.BA.A.A.2A$65.4B20.2A2.BA3BABAB5.A.A$66.4B21.4A4BA4B3.A.
A$67.4B20.A.4B5.2A4.A$68.4B17.A.A.2A7.A$69.3BA16.2A2.A9.3A$70.3BA19.A
.A9.A$71.3AB19.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 »

Vort wrote: October 13th, 2026, 1:57 am
WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 12:27 am 7363 is 37x199, so guntrue_7363 is a composite gun
Anyway, this is a smaller design

Code: Select all

x = 123, y = 108, rule = B3/S23
...
x37 multiplier makes it even smaller:

Code: Select all

x = 113, y = 106, rule = LifeHistory
16.2A$15.B2A2B7.2A$16.4B6.B2AB$11.2A4.6B4.2B$10.B2AB2.8B4.2B9.A$11.3B
.17B7.3A$9.2B.B2.18B9.A$8.27B6.A.A$7.29B5.A.AB$6.11B3A17B5.A3B$6.11BA
BA18B6.4B$6.9BA3BA12B3.4B5.6B$4.2AB4.B.2BAB2A2BA7B.B5.4B4.7B$3.A.AB8.
A3BA5B.2B9.4B2.8B.4B.B$3.A12.B2A4B15.17B.B2A$2.2A9.10BA15.18B2A$12.5B
A5BA15.16B.2B$12.5BA4BAB14.17B$3.A8.8B3A11.2A.A16B$2.A.A2.2A3.8B.4B9.
A.2A.14B$.A.A2.A.A3.7B4.2A16.12B$.A2.2A.B4.7B4.A18.10B$2.A.A2.2B3.ABA
3B6.3A15.2B2A6B$.2A.A.BA2B.B2A4B8.A14.3B2A6B$4.A.A.A4BA4B24.10B$.4A2.
A.8B25.8B.B2A.A$.A3.2A4.6B24.7B3.B2AB3A$3.A.B6.6B23.6B6.B4.A$2.2AB2AB
3.7B24.6B4.2A.3A$5.2AB.8B25.5B4.A2.2A$2.2A3.10B24.4BA3B.A.A$2.A4.6B2A
3B14.A8.4B2A2BA.A.2A.A$3.A3.6B2A2B15.3A6.3BABA.2BAB.A.2A$2.2A3.10B18.
A4.7B2.2B2.A$6.12B16.2A4.7B3.B.2A$6.14B.2A11.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$5.16BA2.A
11.3A8B2.2A2.A2.A$4.17B2.2A10.BA4BA5B7.2A$.2B.16B15.A5BA5B$2A18B15.A
10B$2AB.17B13.6B2AB12.2A$.B.4B.8B2.4B9.2B.5BA3BA11.A$8.7B4.4B7.7BA2B
2ABA2B.B4.BA.A$9.6B5.4B3.12BA3BA6B2.B2A$11.4B6.18BABA11B11.A$13.3BA5.
17B3A12B9.A.A$14.BA.A5.31B9.A.A$15.A.A6.30B.2B5.2A.3A$16.A9.32B5.B4.A
$17.3A7.17B5.B.8B2.B2AB3A.A$19.A7.14B11.8B.B2A.A2.A.A$27.14B9.2B.11B
4.A.A$31.3B4.2B9.2A11B5.2A.3A$32.B6.2B8.2AB.10B5.B4.A$38.B2AB8.B2.10B
3.B2AB3A.A$39.2A12.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$54.15B4.A.A$53.14B5.2A.3A$54.14B5.B
4.A$56.12B3.B2AB3A.A$58.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$58.16B4.A.A$58.14B5.2A.3A$59.
14B5.B4.A$60.13B3.B2AB3A.A$63.12B.B2A.A2.A.A$63.16B4.A.A$63.14B5.2A.
3A$64.14B5.B4.A$65.13B3.B2AB3A$68.12B.B2A.A$68.16B$68.14B7.2A$69.14B
6.A$70.13B3.BA.A$73.12B.B2A4.2A$73.8B2A4B5.A.A$73.7BA2BA3B5.A$74.6BA
2BA3B4.2A$39.2A34.6B2A2B5.2B$40.A37.8B2.5B6.3B5.2A$39.A38.16B4.4B5.A$
39.2A6.2BAB13.B.7B5.2B2AB.10B4.5B.BA.A$41.A2B2.2BABAB6.B.13B4.3B2A13B
3.5B.B2A$39.3A5BABA45B3.7B$38.A2.B.4B2A45B3.8B$38.2A3.50B3.8B4.2A$44.
25B2A33B3.A.A$44.25B2A33B3.A$43.4B.B.11B3.41B.2A$44.4B2.10B5.10B2.B3.
B2.B3.18B$44.2B2AB4.2B2.4B7.6B14.18B3.2A$46.2A10.4B8.3B13.5B3.12B.B2.
A$59.4B9.B13.2A7.12B3A$60.4B8.2A13.A8.9B.BA$61.4B8.A10.3A4.2A3.9B3.2A
$62.4B7.A.A8.A6.A4.9B4.A$63.4B7.2A12.2A.A4.2B2A3B.B2A2.A.2A$64.4B20.A
2.3A.2BA2BA2B.BA.A.A.2A$65.4B20.2A2.BA3BABAB5.A.A$66.4B21.4A4BA4B3.A.
A$67.4B20.A.4B5.2A4.A$68.4B17.A.A.2A7.A$69.3BA16.2A2.A9.3A$70.3BA19.A
.A9.A$71.3AB19.2A!
Well... here's an even smaller one:

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x = 119, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory
50.2A$50.A.A$52.A4.2A$48.4A.2A2.A2.A$48.A2.A.A.A.A.2A37.2A$50.BABABA.
A36.2A.A.A$51.B2ABA.A34.A2.A.A$52.2B.BA35.2A2.2AB$51.3B42.2B$42.2A6.
4B42.4B2.B$43.A6.B2A3B41.8B$43.A.AB3.B2A3B41.8B$14.2A11.A16.2AB.3B2A
5B38.8B2A$13.B2AB9.A.A17.6B2A5B36.2B2A3B.B2A$14.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A3.A5.5B
ABA6B35.BABA4B.B$13.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A2.3A3.7BA7B4.2A28.ABA4B$13.5B8.
B2.A.A3.A.A5.A4.8B2.4B2.B2AB27.BA7B$13.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A5.2A.9B5.4B.3B
29.8B$13.8B4.2A.A.A3.A7.14B4.4B.B31.7B$14.13B2.A.AB2.A8.6B4.2A5.8B.B
26.8B$12.13B5.A.A2B.A7.5B5.A6.11B25.8B$11.15B5.A2B.2A6.7B5.3A2.12B25.
7B$11.15B4.3B10.6B8.A2.13B24.7B$10.17B.B.2B10.7B12.12B24.8B$10.29B2.
8B13.14B20.10B$9.13B2A25B14.14B20.10B$8.14B2A25B15.14B18.7B.4B$7.2AB
3.33BA3B7.2A3.16B18.6B3.4B$6.A2.A4.30B2AB2AB7.A2.A.2AB.12B18.6B4.4B$
5.A.2A5.7B2.B2.2B2.14BA3BAB4.B4.2AB2AB3.13B15.6B5.4B$5.A7.7B13.12B2A
2BA2B.B2A6.B5.14B13.8B5.4B$4.2A6.8B15.12BA2BA3B2A3.2A.2A5.14B13.8B5.
4B$11.3AB2.2B17.11BA2BA2B.B4.2A.A4.16B12.9B6.4B$10.3BA4.2A15.15BAB10.
A2.A.2AB.12B12.9B7.4B$9.3BA6.A15.14B2AB10.4AB2AB3.13B9.10B7.4B$8.4B5.
A15.2AB.10BA4B15.B5.14B8.5B2A3B8.4B$7.4B6.2A13.A.AB4.7B2A3B12.2A.2A5.
14B7.5B2A4B8.4B$7.4B21.A9.6BABA2B11.2A.A4.16B7.11B3.2A4.3BA$6.5B20.2A
8.8B2A3B13.A2.A.2AB.12B7.12BA2.A5.ABA$5.3B2A2B29.2B3A7B14.4AB2AB3.13B
6.8B2.2A8.2A$5.2B2ABA2B29.BA4B3AB20.B5.14B5.7B14.B$2.B.6BAB31.AB3A4B
17.2A.2A5.14B4.6B$.2A3BA2BA3B30.2BABA3BA17.2A.A4.16B4.6B$.2AB.BA2BA4B
29.2BA4B2A20.A2.A.2AB.12B3.8B$2.B2.A2BA5B8.2A20.2BA2B23.4AB2AB3.20B$
5.B2A5B9.A21.3BA29.B5.20B$5.9B5.BA.A13.2A6.4B26.2A.2A5.6B2A3B2A6B$4.
10B.3B.B2A15.A5.4B27.2A.A4.7BA2BA2B2A7B$3.17B15.A6.A3B31.A2.A.2AB.3BA
2BA10B$3.17B15.2A4.A3B32.4AB2AB3.2B2A3B.7B$3.16B17.2B2.B3A38.B5.16B4.
2A$.19B15.8B6.2A28.2A.2A5.3B.10B5.A$.21B13.7B7.A30.A.A4.5B2.9B2.BA.A$
2A23B2.2B2.B2.7B5.2A.A30.A.A4.2A5.9B2.B2A$2AB.37B4.A2.A32.A6.A4.13B4.
2A$.B3.9B.27B3.B2A37.3A5.13B4.A.A2.2A$7.6B2.16B2A14B38.A6.14B6.A3.A$
4.2B.6B2.16B2A13B45.A13B3.4A.3A$3.2A7B4.29B44.3A.12B3.A2.A.A$3.2AB.6B
10.4B.17B43.A5.5B.5B6.ABAB3A$4.B.6B12.2B3.15B44.2A6.2B2.6B6.2ABA2.A$
6.6B11.3B3.15B56.7B4.4B2.2A$7.5B7.2A.2BA5.13B56.16B$8.4B7.A.2BA.A2.
13B57.13BA2B$9.5B6.A2.BA.A.2A4.8B52.16BABAB$12.2A7.A4.AB2A6.6B51.17BA
2BA$12.A6.A.5A2.B8.5B51.18B2AB$13.3A2.A.A4.A.2A.A.2A5.B.B51.21B$15.A
3.A2.2A.A2.A.2A.A4.3B54.17B.B2A$20.2A.A.2A11.B2AB55.13B3.BA.A$39.2A
54.4B3.10B4.A$95.2A6.4B3.2A4.2A$96.A5.A3.2B2.A$93.3A4.3A2.B2A3.3A$93.
A5.A6.A.A5.A$99.2A3.A.A.6A$104.2A$110.2A$110.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Is there a better/smaller sparker for reducing the guntrue_5580 solution currently in Catagolue

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x = 59, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
42b2o$42b2o$24bo$17bo4b3o17bo$16bobo2bo19bobo$15bo2bo2bob2o10b2o3bo3b
o$15bobob2obobo10b2o2b2obob2o2bo3b2o$14b2obo4bo16bo2bob4obo2bo$17bo4b
2o14b2ob6ob2o3b3o$17bob3obo2b2o10b5o7b3o3bo$16b2obob2o4bo10b2o10bo2b2o
bo$11b2o2bo6b2o2bo25b2o2b2o$2b2o6bobo3b3obo5b4o14b2o6bob2o2bo$2b3o2bo
2b3o5b8o4bo10b5o4b3o2bobo$b2o2bobo2b2o7b4o3bo2b2o7b5ob2o8b2ob2o$o2b3o
3bo3bo10bobo11b2obo2bo10bobo$3o3bob3o3bo6bo16b2obob2o10bobo$3b3o4bobo
bo6bo4bo12bo3bo12bo$2bo3b4o2b3obo4bo4b2o12bobo$2b2o2bo2bobo10bo4bo13b
o$11bo2bobobobo2bo3bo26b2o$10bo2bo3b2obob3o2bo22b2o2bo$11b2o4b2obobo3b
2o21bo2bobo$26bo21bob2obo$45b4o2bo$44b5obo$18b2o25b3o3bo$18b2o30b3o$18b
2o30b3o$19bo$18b3o19b3o$17b2ob2o$16b2o3b2o$17b2ob2o2$10bo$9bobo$9b2o2$
16bo6bo$15b2o6b2o$14b3o6b3o$15b2o6b2o$16bo6bo25bo$50bo$48b3o!
I ask in hopes of reducing guntrue_6820 significantly

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x = 59, y = 50, rule = B3/S23Investigator
42.2A$42.2A$24.A$17.A4.3A$16.A.A2.A$15.A2.A2.A.2A10.2A$15.A.A4.A.A10.
2A11.A3.2A$14.2A.A.2A.A24.A.A2.A$17.A4.2A24.2A3.3A$17.A.3A4.2A22.3A3.
A$16.2A.A2.A4.A22.A2.2A.A$11.2A2.A7.A2.A26.A2.2A$3.A6.A.A3.3A3.A3.4A21.
A3.A2.A$2.2A3.A3.A6.8A4.A20.A3.A.A$2.A2.3A3.A14.A2.2A20.A2.2A.2A$A2.3A
5.2A11.3A11.A16.A.A$3A4.4A.2A7.A2.2A11.3A15.A.A$3.3A4.A.A.2A5.4A.A8.2A
.A.2A14.A$2.A3.4A2.A10.A2.A8.2A$2.2A2.A2.A.A3.2A4.A.A.2A15.A$11.A.A4.
A.A4.2A14.A12.2A$10.A2.A3.2A.2A.2A.A6.A6.A9.2A2.A$11.2A5.A.A.A2.2A7.A
2.A11.A2.A.A$17.5E2.A.A22.2A2.A$17.4A17.A2.2A2.A2.A.A$17.A3.A13.A9.2A
.3A$12.A7.2A12.A7.A2.A$11.A.A19.A5.2A7.2A.2A$9.3A.A26.2A9.2A$8.A4.2A19.
2A4.2A$9.3A24.A4.2A$11.2A19.2A$13.2A14.2A$13.3A6.3A$7.A2.A11.A2.2A.A.
A$7.4A.A.2A7.A.2A$12.A8.A.4A$9.2A.2A7.2A2.2A$9.A3.A13.A$5.2A3.A.A$5.A
2.A.A2.A$7.2A.A.2A$10.A.A9.A$10.A.A8.A.A$11.A5.2A.A.A$16.A.A.A.A.A$16.
A4.A.2A$17.3A.A$19.A.A$20.A!
EDIT: guntrue_5760 reduced (2288 -> 2236)

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x = 52, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
38bobo$38bo3bo$28b2o12bo$28b2o8bo4bo4b2o$42bo5b2o$38bo3bo$38bobo2$11b
2o30b2o$b2o8b2o29bobo$2bo21bo12b2o2bo$bo15b3o3bobo11bo2bob2o$b2o13b2o
bo4bo14b2obobo$3bo12b3o24bo$b3o12bo2bo29b2o$o11b3o34bo$2o10b2o22b2o9b
obo$36b2o9b2o$28b2o$29bo$19bo6b3o$19bo6bo6b2o4b2o$4b2o13bo7b2o3bobo3b
obo$4b2o22bo3bo6bo$27bo3b2o$17b2o7bo$17b2o8b3o20b2o$30bo17bo2bo$29b2o
17b3o2$20b2o21b2o3b3o$19bobo21b2o4bobo$19bo27bo3bo$16b2obo7bo18bob3o$
17bobob2o2b3o18bobo$17bobob2o2b2o20bo$16b2obo7bo$16bo2b4o3bo10b2o$17b
2o3bo3bo10bobo$19b2o18bo$19bo13bo5b2o$21bo12bo$20b2o10b3o!
Other reductions
guntrue_4920 (3009 -> 2950)
guntrue_5910 (7120 -> 6720)
guntrue_7260 (4080 -> 3835)
Last edited by WhiteHawk on October 13th, 2026, 8:12 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 7:10 pm Other reductions
guntrue_4920 (3009 -> 2950)
Where is the RLE?
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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LWSSONHWSSONLWSS wrote: October 13th, 2026, 7:32 pm
WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 7:10 pm Other reductions
guntrue_4920 (3009 -> 2950)
Where is the RLE?
Nowhere but uploaded, this is an expanding list of select reductions. See my previous posts for other examples
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 7:10 pm Is there a better/smaller sparker for reducing the guntrue_5580 solution currently in Catagolue

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x = 59, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
42b2o$42b2o$24bo$17bo4b3o17bo$16bobo2bo19bobo$15bo2bo2bob2o10b2o3bo3b
o$15bobob2obobo10b2o2b2obob2o2bo3b2o$14b2obo4bo16bo2bob4obo2bo$17bo4b
2o14b2ob6ob2o3b3o$17bob3obo2b2o10b5o7b3o3bo$16b2obob2o4bo10b2o10bo2b2o
bo$11b2o2bo6b2o2bo25b2o2b2o$2b2o6bobo3b3obo5b4o14b2o6bob2o2bo$2b3o2bo
2b3o5b8o4bo10b5o4b3o2bobo$b2o2bobo2b2o7b4o3bo2b2o7b5ob2o8b2ob2o$o2b3o
3bo3bo10bobo11b2obo2bo10bobo$3o3bob3o3bo6bo16b2obob2o10bobo$3b3o4bobo
bo6bo4bo12bo3bo12bo$2bo3b4o2b3obo4bo4b2o12bobo$2b2o2bo2bobo10bo4bo13b
o$11bo2bobobobo2bo3bo26b2o$10bo2bo3b2obob3o2bo22b2o2bo$11b2o4b2obobo3b
2o21bo2bobo$26bo21bob2obo$45b4o2bo$44b5obo$18b2o25b3o3bo$18b2o30b3o$18b
2o30b3o$19bo$18b3o19b3o$17b2ob2o$16b2o3b2o$17b2ob2o2$10bo$9bobo$9b2o2$
16bo6bo$15b2o6b2o$14b3o6b3o$15b2o6b2o$16bo6bo25bo$50bo$48b3o!

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x = 50, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
33b2o$33b2o4$26b2o$26b2o11bo3b2o$10b2o2b2o22bobo2bo$10bo2bobo23b2o3b3o
$7b2obob2o27b3o3bo$7bo2bobo2bo25bo2bo2bo$8bobo3b2o26bob2ob2o$10bobo20b
2o9bobo2bo$10b2ob2obo16bobo6b3o3bo$9b2o3bo2bo16b3o5b2ob2ob2o$8bo2b2o3b
2o16b2o10bobo$8b2obo3b3o17bo10bobo$11bo2bob2o12bobo2bobo9bo$8b2obobo3b
o11b2o2bobobo$8bobo2bobo2bo9bo2b4obo$11b2o3b2o11b4o12b2o$13b2obo13b2o
9b2o2bo$13bo2bo3b2o18bo2bobo$14b2o5bo18b2o2bo$18b3o15bo$18bo15b3o2b2o
$9b2o25bo2b2obo$9b2o29bobo$42bo$42bo$31b3o$23b2o$10bo$9bob2o$7b2obob2o
$bo3b2o4b2o$obo$2o8b2o$8bo4bo$7bo6bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$7bo6bo$8bo4b
o$10b2o!
EDIT and of course the guntrue_6820 corollary:

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x = 53, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
36b2o$36b2o4$29b2o$29b2o11bo3b2o$13b2o2b2o22bobo2bo$13bo2bobo23b2o3b3o
$10b2obob2o27b3o3bo$10bo2bobo2bo25bo2b2obo$13bo2b3o28bo2b2o$13bobo29b
o3bo2bo$15b4o26bo3bobo$12bo4bo2bo24bo2b2ob2o$11bo2b2o5bo10bo16bobo$11b
2obo6bo9b3o15bobo$14bo2bo3bo7b2obob2o14bo$11b2obobobob2o7b2o$11bobo2b
2o3bo14bo$14b2o3b2o14bo12b2o$16b2obo7bo6bo9b2o2bo$16bo2bo3b2o3bo2bo11b
o2bobo$12bo4b2o5bo18b2o2bo$12b3o6b3o8bo2b2o2bo2bobo$15bo5bo7bo9b2ob3o
$6bo7b2o12bo7bo2bo$5bobo19bo5b2o7b2ob2o$3b3obo26b2o9b2o$2bo4b2o19b2o4b
2o$3b3o12bo11bo4b2o$5bob2o9bo$6b2o$5b2obo7bobobo$2bobobobo7b5o$bob2ob
obo4b2o4bob2o$bo4bobo3bo4bo2b2obo$2ob2o2b3o13b3o$bobo2bob2o2b2o3bo5bo
$bo2b2ob3o6b2o$2bobo3bo6b3o$b2obob2o8bo$4bobo7bo2bo$4bobo4b2o3b2o$5bo
8bobo$10bobobobobo$10bo4bobobo$11b3obobobo$13b2o3bo!
EDIT: optimized some stators
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

EvinZL wrote: October 13th, 2026, 8:01 pm
WhiteHawk wrote: October 13th, 2026, 7:10 pm Is there a better/smaller sparker for reducing the guntrue_5580 solution currently in Catagolue
EDIT and of course the guntrue_6820 corollary: EDIT: optimized some stators
Reduces guntrue_992 - an (n)*(n-1) period (31*32) - as well (4788 -> 3392)

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x = 63, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
46b2o$46b2o4$39b2o$39b2o11bo3b2o$23b2o2b2o22bobo2bo$23bo2bobo23b2o3b3o
$20b2obob2o27b3o3bo$20b2obobo2bo25bo2b2obo$22b2ob4o17bo9b2o2b2o$25bo20b
o9bob2o2bo$24b2ob2o25b3o2bobo$24bo2b2o29b2ob2o$21bo2b2o4b2o27bobo$21b
2obo5b3o9b2o15bobo$24bo2bo3b2o7bo3bo15bo$21b2obobobob3o7bo3bo$21bobo2b
3o2bo7bo3bo4b3o$24b2o3b2o9b3o6b2o7b2o$26b2obo10b3o5bo5b2o2bo$5bo3bo16b
o2bo3b2o18bo2bobo$4bobobobo16b2o5bo17bob2obo$5b2ob2o21b3o15b4o2bo$31b
o16b5obo$23b2o24b3o3bo$b5o3b5o9b2o29b3o$bob4ob4obo40b3o$b2obobobobob2o
$2bobobobobobo31b3o$3b3o3b3o13bo9bo$4bo5bo13b5ob2o2b3o$23bob7o2b3o$21b
ob2obo3b2o$21bobo5bo2$7bo5bobo$5b2o3bob2obo$3o2b7obo$3o2b2ob5o13bo5bo
$bo9bo13b3o3b3o$24bobobobobobo$23b2obobobobob2o$23bob4ob4obo$12b2o9b5o
3b5o$12b2o2$27b2ob2o$26bobobobo$27bo3bo28bo$61bo$59b3o!
Old design (with a lot of bumpers)

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x = 84, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
21b2o11bo$21b2o10bobo$33bobo2b2o3bo$32b2ob2o2bo2bobo$36bobo3bobo12b2o
24bo$32b2obo2b4obo13bo23b3o$32b2obobo3bo13bobo14b2o6bo$36bobo3bo12b2o
16bo6b2o$37bobo3bo29bobo$38bo3b2o30b2o$63b2o$64bo$64bobo$29b2o34b2o$29b
2o$14b2o$13bo2bo$12bob2o$b2o9bo$2bo8b2o$2bobo21b2o$3bobo20bo49b2o$5bo
2b2o17b3o24b2o20b2o$2bo2bo2b2o20bo10b2o11b2o$2bo26b2o11bo$3bo17bo7bo9b
3o$3o18b3o2b2obo7b3o$o7bo15bo3bo7bo$7bobo13bo12b2o$6bo2bo14b3o$7b2o23b
o$31bobo40b2o7bo$25b2o3bo2bo41bo5bobo$3b2o20b2o4b2o39b3o7b2o$2bobo35b
o11bo19bo$2bo37b3o7b2o$b2o40bo7b2o$42b2o7$17b2o4b2o27b2o$16bo2bo2bo2b
o19b2o5bobo$23bobo19b2o7bo$24bo29b2o$15bo2bo$15bob2o9b2o11bo$16bob3o7b
o11bobob2o$13b3o3bobo7b3o8bobobobo$13bo7bo9bo5b2obobobobo2bo$21b2o14b
o2bo2b2ob4o$39b2o4bo$45bobo$46b2o!
EDIT: Best guntrue_1984 reduction I could finagle (5415 -> 3657)

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x = 69, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20b2o4$27b2o$10b2o3bo11b2o$11bo2bobo22b2o2b2o$8b3o3b2o23bobo2bo
$7bo3b3o27b2obob2o$7bob2o2bo25bo2bobob2o$6b2o2b2o27b4ob2o$5bo2b2obo30b
o$6bobo2b3o25b2ob2o$5b2ob2o29b2o2bo$6bobo27b2o4b2o2bo$6bobo26b3o5bob2o
$7bo20bo6b2o3bo2bo$25b2o2bo5b3obobobob2o$24b2o2b3o5bo2b3o2bobo$8b2o14b
2o2b2o7b2o3b2o$9bo2b2o11b4o9bob2o$9bobo2bo11b2o5b2o3bo2bo16bo3bo$10bo
b2obo10bo6bo5b2o16bobobobo$12bo2b4o15b3o18b2o2bobo2b2o$13bob5o16bo18b
2ob2ob2ob2o$12bo3b3o24b2o9bobo7bobo$11b3o29b2o10bo2b2ob2o2bo$11b3o$58b
2ob2o$15b2o4b3o30bo2bobobobo2bo$14bobo14b4o9bo9bo3bo3bo3bo$7b2o5bo15b
o5bo6bobo$7bo5b2o16b2o9bo3bo$4b2obo26bobo6bobo$4bo2bob2o2b2o$6b2obo3b
2o$9bo$9b2o42bobo6bobo$15bo36bo3bo9b2o$3b2o9bobo36bobo6bo5bo$3bo11bo16b
o3bo3bo3bo9bo9b4o$2obo28bo2bobobobo2bo$o2b3o4b2o24b2ob2o$b2o3bo3b2o$3b
4o26bo2b2ob2o2bo10b2o$3bo15b2o11bobo7bobo9b2o$4b3o12bobo11b2ob2ob2ob2o
$7bo13bo11b2o2bobo2b2o$2b5o14b2o12bobobobo$2bo13bo19bo3bo$4bo12bo$3b2o
10b3o!
guntrue_2976 (4248 -> 3551)

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x = 67, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$18b2o4$25b2o$8b2o3bo11b2o$9bo2bobo22b2o2b2o$6b3o3b2o23bobo2bo$5b
o3b3o27b2obob2o$5bob2o2bo25bo2bobob2o$4b2o2b2o27b4ob2o$3bo2b2obo30bo$
4bobo2b3o25b2ob2o$3b2ob2o29b2o2bo$4bobo27b2o4b2o2bo$4bobo26b3o5bob2o$
5bo20bo6b2o3bo2bo$23b2o2bo5b3obobobob2o$22b2o2b3o5bo2b3o2bobo$22b2o2b
2o7b2o3b2o$23b4o9bob2o$9b3o12b2o5b2o3bo2bo16bo3bo$9b3o12bo6bo5b2o16bo
bobobo$10bo3b3o15b3o18b2o2bobo2b2o$11bob5o16bo18b2ob2ob2ob2o$10bo2b4o
24b2o9bobo7bobo$8bob2obo27b2o10bo2b2ob2o2bo$7bobo2bo$7bo2b2o44b2ob2o$
6b2o11b3o30bo2bobobobo2bo$10b4o15b4o9bo9bo3bo3bo3bo$10bo3bo13bo5bo6bo
bo$13b2o14b2o9bo3bo$32bobo6bobo$4b2o$3bobo$3bo$2obo47bobo6bobo$bobob2o
43bo3bo9b2o$bobob2o44bobo6bo5bo$2obo7b2o17bo3bo3bo3bo9bo9b4o$o2b4o3bo
2bo7b2o7bo2bobobobo2bo$b2o3bo4b2o8bobo10b2ob2o$3b2o18bo$3bo19b2o6bo2b
2ob2o2bo10b2o$5bo24bobo7bobo9b2o$4b2o25b2ob2ob2ob2o$31b2o2bobo2b2o$33b
obobobo$22bo11bo3bo$23bo$21b3o!
Last edited by WhiteHawk on October 13th, 2026, 8:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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gun_2604, which Catagolue did not have, in 2107 cells

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x = 49, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9b2o4b2ob2o3b2o$11bo4bobo3bobo$7b5o7bo2bo2b2o$7bo5b6obob2obo13bo
$9b5obo4bo2bobobo9b3o$8b2obo6b2obo2bobobo7bo$7bo3bob2o2bobob3o2bobo7b
2o$7b2ob2ob2o3b2o4b3ob2o$20b2obo$15b2obobob2ob2ob2o10b2o5b2o$15b5o4bo
bob2o9bo6bobo$16b3o5bo8b3o6bo3bo$22bobo7bo2bo7bo$22b2o8bob2o5b2obobo$
33bo8bo3bo$41b2o$41b2o4bo$46b2o$5b2o34bo4b2o$5b2o11bo22b3o2bo$18b2o20b
o4b2o$20bo20bobo$17b2obo19b2obobobo$17b3o10bo11bobob2o$30bo11bobo$2o10b
2o16bo12b2o$2o9bo$12b3o10bo$13bo3b2o5b3o$15bo2bo5b3o$7bo8b2o6b3o$6bob
o14b3o$7b2o13bo$9b2o2bo7bobobob2o$9bo3bo7bob2ob3o19bo$6b2obob3o8bo4b2o
17bobo$6bobob2o11bo23b2o$8bobobobo5b3o$8bo3b5o3bo$9b3o5bo$11bob4o$12b
obo!
EDIT: gun_1860 reduction (3780 -> 2112) (and yes it is 2112 despite the pattern being 2064)

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x = 48, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9b2o4b2ob2o$11bo4bobo9bo2bob2obo2bo$7b5o7bo8b4ob2ob4o$7bo5b6obo7b
o2bob2obo2bo$9b5obo4bo$8b2obo6b2ob2o20b2ob2o$7bo3bob2o2bobobobo23bo$7b
2ob2ob2o3b2o3bo18bo2b2o$20b3o20b3o$15b2obobo15bo6b3o$15b5o4b2o9b3o4bo
2b2o$16b3o5bo9bob2o9bo$22bobo8b2o8b2ob2o$22b2o10b2o5$5b2o$5b2o10bo$16b
o2bo$15bo3bo$15bo3b2o$4b2ob3o4b2o14bo$4b5o8bo12bo$2o4bo7bobo13bo$2o11b
2o2bo$14b2ob2o6bo$15bobo6b3o$16bo7b3o$7bo16b3o$6bobo14b3o$7b2o13bo$9b
2o2bo7bobobob2o18bo$9bo3bo7bob2ob3o16bobo$6b2obob3o8bo4b2o17b2o$6bobo
b2o11bo$8bobobobo5b3o$8bo3b5o3bo$9b3o5bo$11bob4o$12bobo!
EDIT2: gun_2852 reduction (2964 -> 2580)

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x = 60, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
12bobo$11bob4o$9b3o5bo$8bo3b5o3bo$8bobo3bo5b3o$6bobob2o11bo$6b2obo12b
o4b2o$9bo2b3o6bo5b2o$9b2o10bob3o$7b2o13b2obobo$6bobo15b2obo$7bo8bo$14b
4o7bo$17b2o5b3o28b2o$12b2obo39bobo$2o10b2o42bo$2o10b2o$29b3o8bob2o$18b
2o14b2o3bo2b2o2b3o9b2o$17b2obo13b2o3bo6b2o10b2o$20bo18b2o3b3o$17b3o21b
o3bo$5b2o$5b2o34bo3bo$39b2o3b3o$39bo6b2o10b2o$39bo2b2o2b3o9b2o$40bob2o
$22b2o$22bobo31bo$24bo30bobo$15b5o4b2o29b2o$14bo3bobo$20b3o$7b2ob2obo
4bo4bo$7bo3bob2o2bobobobo$8b2obobo4b2ob2o$9b2ob2obo4bo$7bo7b4obo$7b6o
6bo$14bobobo29bo$9bo5b2ob2o29bo$9b2o36b3o!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Period1GliderGun wrote: October 13th, 2026, 8:36 pm EDIT: gun_1860 reduction (3780 -> 2112) (and yes it is 2112 despite the pattern being 2064)
guntrue_3720 (3480 -> 2295)

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x = 51, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
40b2o$13bo6bo10b2ob2o4b2o$12b2o6b2o10bobo4bo$11b3o6b3o8bo7b5o$12b2o6b
2o8bob6o5bo$13bo6bo9bo4bob5o$3b2ob2o20b2ob2o6bob2o$3bo23bobobobo2b2ob
o3bo$4b2o2bo7b2o9bo3b2o3b2ob2ob2o$5b3o8b3o9b3o$5b3o5b6o11bobob2o$4b2o
2bo4b2obo8b2o4b5o$3bo9b4ob2o6bo5b3o$3b2ob2o8bo3bo5bobo$17b4o6b2o2$7b2o
$7bobo$10bo2b2o$8b2obo2bo11bo17b2o$7bobob2o12b4o15b2o$8bo15bo3b2o$b2o
22b2o3bo$2bo23b4o$2bobo9b2o4bo7bo$3b2o9b2o4bo$20bo28b2o$49b2o$25bo$11b
2o4b2o5b3o$11bobo3bobo4b3o$12bo6bo4b3o16bo$19b2o4b3o14bobo$28bo13b2o$
2o20b2obobobo7bo2b2o$o2bo18b3ob2obo7bo3bo$b3o18b2o4bo8b3obob2o$27bo11b
2obobo$b3o3b2o19b3o5bobobobo$obo4b2o21bo3b5o3bo$o3bo28bo5b3o$b3obo12b
o15b4obo$3bobo13bo16bobo$4bo12b3o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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