Eigen letter of land generated in bounded grid

[wln2024]

If you find eigen letter of island or continent, welcome to reply under this thread.

Until now all eigen letters are found in bounded grid.

If you are confirmed the first person who find a unknown eigen letter, my team will stand for your copyright protection.

[dvgrn]

If you are confirmed the first person who find a unknown eigen letter, my team will stand for your copyright protection.

Hello! It seems like this might be a good time for me to try to explain the serious worries that you generate, every time you mention the idea of "copyright protection".

It's unlikely that anyone reading your messages would want your team to "stand for copyright protection" for anything that they might post on this thread. You may be surprised to hear that your offer to do this looks like a highly unpleasant threat to many people here.

Your posts seem to indicate that you believe that a Life pattern can be copyrighted. This is a deeply unpopular idea in the conwaylife community. Mathematical constructs such as cellular automata patterns are not considered to be even theoretically copyrightable. Attempts to apply copyright to CA patterns creates the possibility of extremely painful and expensive entangling legal issues, in an area of recreational mathematics research that currently has very nearly zero such issues.

This means that, most likely, your repeated mentions of copyright in the context of Life patterns will very strongly discourage anyone from contributing research or patterns to your project.

You've heard some of these objections from MDA and NNlk05 and other forum users recently. I'm fairly sure that I can speak for a supermajority of the current readers of this forum on these points.

From another thread:

And I can surely register copyright for what we have found, because my team believe we find it independently and earlier.

If you have looked at the LifeWiki, you can probably see that the community here is very serious about accurately documenting discoveries.

I can absolutely guarantee that no one is going to steal your discoveries and take credit for them, whether you attempt to "copyright" them or not. Simply posting a pattern on the conwaylife forums is all that is needed to officially register a discovery.

Now, what counts as a notable discovery is a separate question. These "eigen letters" so far do not seem to be a topic that will make sense to document on the LifeWiki. However, we can talk about that separately from the "copyright" issue.

[wln2024]

thanks for your guarantee, let me feel relaxable.

Eigen letter should be a topic in Life.

Until now I have a large amount evidences of rough shapes of island, half islands and continents transformed from their local language. and they have some principles,that reveals how people create different languages in some same ways.

By the way, 99% are found in bordered grid, only one is found in open grid.

So, I set up a project to gather eigen letters as many as possible, even cover our planet from whom are interested in this topic.

It is really interesting,
because some people have spoken language but they don't have local letters,such as Philippine,and its Southern islands.
We can even create letters into their language system.This is unimaginable before.

[wln2024]

I want to set up an international team,

but I haven't find people's interest on this topic.

So,does anyone want to see UK's eigen letter?
Let me know

[hotdogPi]

Please do not create new threads for new posts on the same subject, especially after one with identical content was moved to an existing thread.

This community is not interested in starting patterns that look like arbitrary shapes. Generally, small starting patterns are only interesting if they leave rare objects, with a few exceptions (such as lasting 1000 generations and dying out completely, or almost reforming the initial pattern exactly). What it visually looks like doesn't matter.

[wln2024]

Your mind is stuben,and how can you represent a community,and what do you think you are?
Evidences are many, you limit your own ability to do something. If you aren't interested,do not say others neither.
More pictures are only showed to people who are interested in this topic.

[wirehead]

你没看到hotdogPi和dvgrn都是版主吗？这意味着他们对社区对此类事情的立场有丰富的经验。因此，您以“不代表社区”为由驳回他们的回应，这有点侮辱他们的权威。我还要重申，所有康威的生命游戏模式都是数学构造，并且有许多现有的法律先例表明数学构造永远不会受版权保护，并且始终属于公共领域。所以请停止提供法律保护。如果你试图起诉别人使用你构建的康威生命游戏模式，这个案子很快就会因偏见而被驳回，你会让你自己和你的律师成为笑柄。

English source:
Did you not see that both hotdogPi and dvgrn are moderators? This means they have a lot of experience with the community's position towards these kind of things. So you dismissing their response as 'not representative of a community' is kind of insulting to their authority. I will also reiterate that all Conway's Game of Life patterns are mathematical constructs, and there is lots of existing legal precedent that mathematical constructs can never be copyrighted and are always public domain. So please, stop offering legal protection. If you try to sue someone else for working with a Conway's Game of Life pattern you constructed, the case will be quickly dismissed with prejudice, and you will make yourself and your lawyer a laughingstock.

EDIT by dvgrn: removed "size=40" tags, which made the English text unreadable on many monitors.

[wln2024]

if you use my discoveries to commercial use,I will immediately put you into court.

[wln2024]

dare "wirehead" speak out,who and where he is?

[dvgrn]

wln2024, here are several points for you to consider, from me in my capacity as moderator. See also my recent private message to you, when you can access it next week.

1) It is very much against forum rules to use words like "stupid" to label people, or people's opinions. See rule 1a.

2) It is also a serious violation of forum rules to demand personal information as you have done above. See rule 1b.

3) It is against the rules to double post unnecessarily. See rule 3a. This rule is much less important than the previous ones, and there are plenty of exceptions to it. But the double post was certainly unnecessary here. "Don't post when you're angry" is a good general rule of thumb.

4) On the "copyright protection" issue, the main thing I'd like to make clear is that no one here is in any way threatening to steal your discoveries "for commercial use".

Most people probably do not believe that there is any likely way to make a profit from your discoveries. To put it bluntly, when you write

"Until now I have a large amount evidences of rough shapes of island, half islands and continents transformed from their local language. and they have some principles, that reveals how people create different languages in some same ways."

you are making a very extraordinary claim. The evidence you have presented does not appear to support that claim.

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Separate from that, the big problem that comes up for these "eigen letters' is that there seems to be no way to objectively measure any given eigen letter candidate against any other candidate. Someone just has to decide that such-and-such eigen letter's ash is the "best" match for a given land shape, country shape, animal shape, etc. -- and it seems unlikely that any two people will reliably be able to agree on these kinds of decisions. Each likely candidate will be a better match by some measurements, but not so good by other measurements.

You're effectively setting yourself up as the sole judge of what is "best" among eigen letters. But you don't seem to have very good judgment about whether other people are likely to be willing to submit to your various judgments about the relative merits of eigen letters, or the validity of the whole project in general.

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Now, you can certainly continue to pursue this project if you want -- but not on conwaylife.com, not in the form that you're currently advertising.

There's no requirement that you have to listen to our advice about any of this. However, if you want to continue to post on these forums, you will have to follow the forum rules. Please review those rules very carefully.

5) I haven't mentioned rule 5, but you are also not following rule 5 correctly, and it is a key rule of this community. You are welcome to choose whether or not to share your patterns on conwaylife.com -- but if you want to talk about them, you must post them in a convenient format (like RLE) so that anyone can evolve your patterns and verify your results.

Please don't make any further attempts to advertise the existence of "copyrighted" patterns that you're not willing to share here.

[hash0]

May I suggest to present this idea to reddit - the audience there might be more welcoming for tangential ideas like this /s

[1and0nlycordershippr]

if you use my discoveries to commercial use,I will immediately put you into court.

Here:
Mathematical constructs, as wire head stated, are public domain and thus can’t be sued over. So if you try to sue someone for these patterns, they will be dismissed with prejudice.

[NNlk05]

Here:
Mathematical constructs, as wire head stated, are public domain and thus can’t be sued over. So if you try to sue someone for these patterns, they will be dismissed with prejudice.

I'm not quite sure about whether that's the case in the Chinese courts, though. You never know the legal system there...