Sober ABC's thread

[NNlk05]

You may like this pattern that fills the plane with nothing
See https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Space_nonfiller

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x = 63, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
32b3o$32bo2bo$25b3o4bo6b3o$24bo2bo4bo3bobo2bo$24bo2bo4bo3bobo2bo$23b3o
bobo2bo10bo$22bo5bo4bobo2b2o2b2o$22b3o2b2o16bo$20bo6bo10b2obob3o$20b3o
3bobo9bo8bo$18bo9bo10bo5b3o$18b3o28bo$16bo6b2o4bo17b3o$16b3o5bob2obo21b
o$14bo9bo3b2o7b2o10b3o$14b3o8b2ob2o7b2o14bo$12bo8b3o2bob2o21b3o$12b3o
6b2o2b3o4b2o21bo$10bo19b2ob2o7b2o9b3o$10b3o11bobob4obo8b2o13bo$8bo16b
2o6bo9bo3bo7b3o$8b3o6b2o7bo5b2o6bo4b3o11bo$6bo10b2o20bo2bobo12b3o$6b3o
29b3ob3obo13bo$3bobo25bo10bo3bo10bob3o$2b5obo12bo6bo3b3o5bo2b3o15bo$b
2o6bo10b5o3bo11bo2b5o9b5o$2o4b2o12bo3bo3bo11b2o10bobo$bobo3bo2bo10b2o
4bo3bo3bo4b2o10bo2bo3bobo$8bobo10b2o11bo3bo3bo12b2o4b2o$b5o9b5o2bo11b
o3b5o10bo6b2o$bo15b3o2bo5b3o3bo6bo12bob5o$b3obo10bo3bo10bo25bobo$2bo13b
ob3ob3o29b3o$3b3o12bobo2bo20b2o10bo$3bo11b3o4bo6b2o5bo7b2o6b3o$5b3o7b
o3bo9bo6b2o16bo$5bo13b2o8bob4obobo11b3o$7b3o9b2o7b2ob2o19bo$7bo21b2o4b
3o2b2o6b3o$9b3o21b2obo2b3o8bo$9bo14b2o7b2ob2o8b3o$11b3o10b2o7b2o3bo9b
o$11bo21bob2obo5b3o$13b3o17bo4b2o6bo$13bo28b3o$15b3o5bo10bo9bo$15bo8b
o9bobo3b3o$17b3obob2o10bo6bo$17bo16b2o2b3o$19b2o2b2o2bobo4bo5bo$19bo10b
o2bobob3o$21bo2bobo3bo4bo2bo$21bo2bobo3bo4bo2bo$21b3o6bo4b3o$27bo2bo$
28b3o!

[Sober ABC]

I cut strips of leaves into a checkered pattern. The strips are 20 and 15 in length... I counted the perimeter incorrectly. But everything worked out. The planet has a doughnut-shaped latitude of 5 and longitude of 20. In short, just a photo. It was fun to collect it. I had fun washing the left with the right, and the top with the bottom. And the sun flashes with a period of 4 for a "looped" infinity equally. And it warms the planet... A book of the fantasy genre? A thoughtful world?

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
$20o2$4bo4bo4bo4bo!

I divided Finiteness, Cyclicity, Infinity into Exactly the Same 3 to 5 times.

Wow! A diagonal fragment of stability or full filling was found.

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
b3o5b3o5b3o$o3b5o3b5o$2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$5o3b5o3b4o$5b3o5b3o!

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
b3ob3ob3ob3ob3o$obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobo$b3ob3ob3ob3ob
3o!

[Sober ABC]

You may like this pattern that fills the plane with nothing
See https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Space_nonfiller

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x = 63, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
32b3o$32bo2bo$25b3o4bo6b3o$24bo2bo4bo3bobo2bo$24bo2bo4bo3bobo2bo$23b3o
bobo2bo10bo$22bo5bo4bobo2b2o2b2o$22b3o2b2o16bo$20bo6bo10b2obob3o$20b3o
3bobo9bo8bo$18bo9bo10bo5b3o$18b3o28bo$16bo6b2o4bo17b3o$16b3o5bob2obo21b
o$14bo9bo3b2o7b2o10b3o$14b3o8b2ob2o7b2o14bo$12bo8b3o2bob2o21b3o$12b3o
6b2o2b3o4b2o21bo$10bo19b2ob2o7b2o9b3o$10b3o11bobob4obo8b2o13bo$8bo16b
2o6bo9bo3bo7b3o$8b3o6b2o7bo5b2o6bo4b3o11bo$6bo10b2o20bo2bobo12b3o$6b3o
29b3ob3obo13bo$3bobo25bo10bo3bo10bob3o$2b5obo12bo6bo3b3o5bo2b3o15bo$b
2o6bo10b5o3bo11bo2b5o9b5o$2o4b2o12bo3bo3bo11b2o10bobo$bobo3bo2bo10b2o
4bo3bo3bo4b2o10bo2bo3bobo$8bobo10b2o11bo3bo3bo12b2o4b2o$b5o9b5o2bo11b
o3b5o10bo6b2o$bo15b3o2bo5b3o3bo6bo12bob5o$b3obo10bo3bo10bo25bobo$2bo13b
ob3ob3o29b3o$3b3o12bobo2bo20b2o10bo$3bo11b3o4bo6b2o5bo7b2o6b3o$5b3o7b
o3bo9bo6b2o16bo$5bo13b2o8bob4obobo11b3o$7b3o9b2o7b2ob2o19bo$7bo21b2o4b
3o2b2o6b3o$9b3o21b2obo2b3o8bo$9bo14b2o7b2ob2o8b3o$11b3o10b2o7b2o3bo9b
o$11bo21bob2obo5b3o$13b3o17bo4b2o6bo$13bo28b3o$15b3o5bo10bo9bo$15bo8b
o9bobo3b3o$17b3obob2o10bo6bo$17bo16b2o2b3o$19b2o2b2o2bobo4bo5bo$19bo10b
o2bobob3o$21bo2bobo3bo4bo2bo$21bo2bobo3bo4bo2bo$21b3o6bo4b3o$27bo2bo$
28b3o!

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x = 323, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
278b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$278b2obobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$280b41o$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b
3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$
280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280b
o39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39b
o$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b
3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b
3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280bo39bo$278b3o39b3o$280b41o$278b2obobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$278b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobob2o23$124b41o$122b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobob2o$122b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$121bo45bo$121b
3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b
3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$
121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$b53o
67bo45bo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo66b3o
41b3o$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo66bo45bo
$b53o67b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo
$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b
3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$121b3o41b3o$121bo45bo$122b2ob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$122b2obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobob2o$124b41o!

It turned out to be compressed, not expanded...

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x = 47, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
3b41o$b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$b2obobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$o2b41o2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$
o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2b
o$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o
$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo
2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b
4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39bo2bo$4o39b4o$o2bo39b
o2bo$4o39b4o$o2b41o2bo$b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o
$b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$3b41o!

Well, yes, I like such patterns. Although I would like them to end with mdg(j)-seed.

[Sober ABC]

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S32
31o$o7bob3o5b2o2bo7bo$ob5ob2o2bobo2bobob2ob5obo$obo3bob2ob3ob2o2b4obo
3bobo$obo3bob4ob5ob4obo3bobo$obo3bob3o2bo2b2obob2obo3bobo$ob5ob4ob3ob
2ob3ob5obo$o7bobobobobobobobo7bo$10o5bo2bobob9o$2o3b2o4bob3obo2b2ob6o
bo$3o2b3ob2ob4ob3o2bob7o$ob2o4b3ob2o3bo2bo7bobo$obo2b4o2b2o2bo2b3obo2b
obob2o$ob3obobobobo2bo3bo2b3obo3bo$4ob4ob3o4b2ob2o7b2o$3o6b2o3bo3bo2b
2ob5obo$9o3b2o2bo3b2o8bo$o3b2o2bo4b5ob4obo2b4o$2obob4o3b2ob2obobob7ob
o$6o3bobo2b3obobobo3bobobo$3o3b4obo3bo2bo2b2o3bobobo$o4bo4bob2ob5o8b3o
$9obo2b2o2b2obob3o3b3o$o7bob3o2b6obobobob3o$ob5ob2o2bo4b3o2b3obo3bo$o
bo3bob2obobob4o7bobobo$obo3bobob2ob2obobob2o2bo4b2o$obo3bobo2b4o4b2ob
ob2o4bo$ob5obo2b3ob3ob2ob6ob2o$o7b5o2bobo2bob2obo2bobo$31o!

I would make a separate thread on the forum where I could collect QR codes. Besides me, is anyone interested in finding a self-cleaning QR code? I wonder where it will lead?

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
31o$o7b15o7bo$ob5ob15ob5obo$obo3bob15obo3bobo$obo3bob15obo3bobo$obo3b
ob15obo3bobo$ob5ob15ob5obo$o7bobobobobobobobo7bo$31o$7ob23o$31o$7ob23o
$31o$7ob23o$31o$7ob23o$31o$7ob23o$31o$7ob23o$31o$7ob13o5b5o$21ob3ob5o
$o7b13obobob5o$ob5ob13ob3ob5o$obo3bob13o5b5o$obo3bob23o$obo3bob23o$ob
5ob23o$o7b23o$31o!

Nevertheless, I found a QR-code shovel without searching QR, such that mdgj-seeds grew out of it (in it).

[Sober ABC]

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x = 42, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
3$3b31o$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29b
o$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo
29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$
3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3bo29bo$3b31o!

All frame options for the QR pad are: 31x31 - 4 airframes; 30x30 - 4 and 16 airframes; 31x30 - 1 airframe, 29x29 - 6 airframes.

I changed my cetata. Excuse me. The author can...

[Sober ABC]

I cut strips of leaves into a checkered pattern. The strips are 20 and 15 in length... I counted the perimeter incorrectly. But everything worked out. The planet has a doughnut-shaped latitude of 5 and longitude of 20. In short, just a photo. It was fun to collect it. I had fun washing the left with the right, and the top with the bottom. And the sun flashes with a period of 4 for a "looped" infinity equally. And it warms the planet... A book of the fantasy genre? A thoughtful world?

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
$20o2$4bo4bo4bo4bo!

I divided Finiteness, Cyclicity, Infinity into Exactly the Same 3 to 5 times.

Wow! A diagonal fragment of stability or full filling was found.

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
b3o5b3o5b3o$o3b5o3b5o$2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$5o3b5o3b4o$5b3o5b3o!

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x = 20, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
b3ob3ob3ob3ob3o$obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobo$b3ob3ob3ob3ob
3o!

And all this stuff about the numbers 5 by 3 and the glider number 90. Is the minimum torus 5 by 5? Is it possible to physically, theoretically collapse it? Or will the bagel hole disappear?

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x = 40, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
b3ob3ob3ob3ob3o$obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobo$b3ob3ob3ob3ob
3o!

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x = 39, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
2bob3ob3obobob3ob3ob3ob3ob3ob3o$b2o3bo3bobobobo3bo5bobobobobobobo$obo
b3o2b2ob3ob3ob3o2bo2b3ob3obobo$2bobo5bo3bo3bobobobo3bobo3bobobo$2bob3o
b3o3bob3ob3obo3b3ob3ob3o!

[Sober ABC]

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
b3o$b2o$bo$bo$b2o!

I found a block loader two after two!

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
o2bo$2obo$3o$2o$o!

Finding a way to eat 2 blocks after 2 was hard. But how nice it is! Find your first climber with a speed faster than c/4.

Or what is the correct way to call its speed? 8c/8 in the space of 5 to infinity?

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
4b18o$b3o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$b3o18b2o$b3o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bo2bo$o3bo4bo4b
o4bo4bo$o19bo3bo$o2bo17bob2o$2o21b2o$2obo17bo2bo$o3bo19bo$o19bo3bo$o2b
o17bob2o$2o21b2o$2obo17bo2bo$o3bo19bo$o19bo3bo$o2bo17bob2o$2o21b2o$2o
bo17bo2bo$o3bo19bo$o4bo4bo4bo4bo3bo$o2bo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b3o$b2o18b3o$
b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o3b3o$3b18o!

This starting pattern could be added to the mdj(g)-seed collection. Cotegories of four sides.

[MDA]

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I found a block loader two after two!

What do you mean by "two after two"? Please clarify.

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Finding a way to eat 2 blocks after 2 was hard. But how nice it is! Find your first climber with a speed faster than c/4.

The pattern you posted doesn't "eat" blocks, nor is it a climber.

Or what is the correct way to call its speed? 8c/8 in the space of 5 to infinity?

The correct way to refer to the pattern you posted is "an 8c/8 superstring", where "superstring" means "lightspeed wave".

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This starting pattern could be added to the mdj(g)-seed collection. Cotegories [sic] of four sides.

As previously mentioned in this thread, "mdj(g)-seed(s)" are not notable. They are better referred to as "Herschel-producing patterns" and probably shouldn't even be posted here unless they produce a rare object, such as a switch engine or a loafer.

The still-life your pattern produces four times is an eater head siamese eater tail, which is the 57th most common still-life in Conway's Game of Life. It's rare enough that only one in 145,184 16x16 soups produce it.

[Sober ABC]

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I found a block loader two after two!

But can you help me make a two-by-two block eater in a 5-cell superstring? I can't! I couldn't!
For an artistic idea (for inspiration), I needed to find loops, cycles in string 5 to infinity. I found them! It takes a long time to explain. It's probably just fantasy. Well, I've already fixed the link to the arithmetic problem and the photo of the donut planet. And about the blocks? The question about the blocks? Answer. The chronology of awareness. I first found a cartridge that moves with a musar into a soda string of blocks. 4x4 live cells - 4x4 dead cells. But if the string was rolled into a torus, then the starting pattern broke on the garbage. It didn't suit me. And for a couple of days I was looking for a way to improve the starter pattern so that it wouldn't leave any garbage behind. And the garbage is blocks. So it turned out that a number of blocks are deleted two after two before they have been created. Therefore, as with my mdg(j) - seed collection... Looking for a grandfather, great-grandfather in generations is useless. Not... Fascinating! And inspiring! But... The problem begins with the term. My links open quite crookedly. And once again, I apologize if I'm getting in the way, confusing the terms. Oh, yeah! Thanks for the tip about the "super string". But the rest of the terms are terrible. I can't use the knowledge base because of the language barrier. It's very strange.

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x = 14, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
o10bo$2o9b2o$3o8b3o$2obo7b2o$o10bo!

An ostelator, an enclosed space flashing light? And "super strings" usually don't flash lines so beautifully...

Here are the before and after illustrations so that you (the reader and the author) don't get confused by the quotes yourself.

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T20,5
2b2o$bobo$o2bo$bobo$2b2o!

Oh, here's another great-grandfather. I'll call it CECA - two elephants, two letters... And then the stacker blocks two through two in the form of a basic pyramid 1-3-5.

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x = 14, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T8,5
o10bo$2o9b2o$3o8b3o$2obo7b2o$o10bo!

An ostelator, an enclosed space flashing light? And "super strings" usually don't flash lines so beautifully...

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T8,5
3ob3o$obobo$obob3o$obobobo$3ob3o!

[Sober ABC]

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x = 11, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
3o5bo$2o6b3o$o4b2o$o4b2o$2o7bo!

Here is an approximate solution. In a string of 5 cells, the phase shifts to the right...

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
bo$bo$obo$bo$obo!

The wave starter was found in both directions. But it was not possible to divide the crest of the wave into two parts (creating garbage and eating).

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
4bo$3bobo$2bo3bo$bo5bo$9o!

Oops... The pyramid of stupid self-deprecation. Or buildings from the end after the mirror spur.

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T333,5
4bo$3bobo$2bo3bo$bo5bo$9o!

[MDA]

Does this count as a solution?:

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x = 12, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T0,5
o3bo6bo$o3bo6bo$2o2bo5b2o$3obo4b3o$o3bo6bo!

[Sober ABC]

Does this count as a solution?:

An oreginal solution. And I didn't even think of the simplest option. But I wanted to leave a clean, empty field. Or it would be nice if the airframe were to detach from the block.

[Sober ABC]

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
b3o$o3bo$b3o!

An indestructible flashing indicator in the form of a 5-digit chain with 5-digit stripes. And it's probably not possible to build a cube destroyer in this string. The stripes destroy any and all eternal figs. That's why it doesn't solve the problem.

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
6bo$b3o2bo$o3bobo$b3o2bo$6bo!

Is the neutralizer odd Or even?

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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
7bo$b3o3bo$o3bo2bo$b3o3bo$7bo!

A threefold eternity. I moved the vertical bars.


A threefold eternity. I moved the vertical bars.

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T40,5
9bo$2b3o4bo$bo3bo3bo$2b3o4bo$9bo!

3,7,11,15

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T0,5
9bo$2b3o4bo$bo3bo3bo$2b3o4bo$9bo!

19, 23 - random multiplicity of auto-rotation of the flashing light? Why? Just like a random line?

The formula multiplicity is 4*n+3

And the paradox of self-destruction. If you revive two blinking cells, there will be no multiplicity. Cool! What would that mean for this 5-string situation?

[Sober ABC]

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x = 137, y = 137, rule = B3/S23
65b2o$65b2o5$65b3o$65b3o$64bo3bo2$63b2o3b2o14$67b3o$66bo3bo$65bo5bo$65b
o5bo$68bo$66bo3bo$61b2o4b3o4b2o$60bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$45bo13bo5bo5bo5bo13b
o$43bobo13bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo13bobo$41b2o16bo5bo5bo5bo16b2o$35b2o4b2o17b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo17b2o4b2o$35b2o4b2o18b2o4b3o4b2o18b2o4b2o$43bobo20bo3bo20b
obo$45bo22bo22bo$65bo5bo$65bo5bo$66bo3bo$67b3o3$34b3o$33bo3bo60b2o3b2o
$32bo5bo$32bo5bo60bo3bo$100b3o$32bo67b3o$32b2o$32b2o$31b2o2bo67bo$32b
obo67b3o$33b2o66bo3bo$67b2o3b2o29bo$100bo5bo$30b2o3b2o31bo3bo27bo5bo$
30b2o3b2o32b3o29bo3bo$69b3o30b3o$32b3o$32b3o$33bo47bo43bo$81bobo39bob
o$23b2o17b2o26b2o12b2o6b2o19b2o6b2o12b2o$18bo4b2o17b2o4bo21b2o12b2o4b
o3bo17bo3bo4b2o12b2o$12b2ob5o6b2o11b2o6b5ob2o29b2o3bo5bo15bo5bo3b2o$11b
o4b2o2bo5b3o9b3o5bo2b2o4bo25bobo4b2obo3bo15bo3bob2o4bobo$2o8bo8b2o5b2o
11b2o5b2o8bo24bo7bo5bo15bo5bo7bo$2o8bo7bo4b2o17b2o4bo7bo8b2o23bo3bo17b
o3bo$10bo12b2o17b2o12bo8b2o25b2o19b2o$11bo43bo$12b2o19bo19b2o$32b3o$32b
3o$65b3o34b3o$30b2o3b2o28b3o33bo3bo$30b2o3b2o27bo3bo31bo5bo$100bo5bo$
63b2o3b2o33bo$33b2o66bo3bo$32bobo67b3o$31b2o2bo67bo$32b2o$32b2o$32bo67b
3o$100b3o$32bo5bo60bo3bo$32bo5bo$33bo3bo60b2o3b2o$34b3o3$67b3o$66bo3b
o$65bo5bo$65bo5bo$45bo22bo22bo$43bobo20bo3bo20bobo$35b2o4b2o18b2o4b3o
4b2o18b2o4b2o$35b2o4b2o17bo3bo3bo3bo3bo17b2o4b2o$41b2o16bo5bo5bo5bo16b
2o$43bobo13bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo13bobo$45bo13bo5bo5bo5bo13bo$60bo3bo3bo3b
o3bo$61b2o4b3o4b2o$66bo3bo$68bo$65bo5bo$65bo5bo$66bo3bo$67b3o14$67b2o
3b2o2$68bo3bo$69b3o$69b3o5$69b2o$69b2o!

Gosper's 16-barrel shotgun is reduced to 12 barrels. 4 barrels shoot at each other in pairs. Can't get rid of it? You can make 16 barrels, but it doesn't look pretty. But then the Gosper gun... In general, I messed with my old theme. Let this gun be called a minimal round (quadrate?) Gosper's 16-bit rifle. Center point(center radius?) 3 by 3 cells.

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x = 137, y = 137, rule = B3/S23
65b2o$65b2o5$65b3o$65b3o$64bo3bo2$63b2o3b2o14$67b3o$66bo3bo$65bo5bo$65b
o5bo$68bo$66bo3bo$61b2o4b3o4b2o$60bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$45bo13bo5bo5bo5bo13b
o$43bobo13bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo13bobo$41b2o16bo5bo5bo5bo16b2o$35b2o4b2o17b
o3bo3bo3bo3bo17b2o4b2o$35b2o4b2o18b2o4b3o4b2o18b2o4b2o$43bobo20bo3bo20b
obo$45bo22bo22bo6bo$65bo5bo25bo$65bo5bo24bo$66bo3bo24bo$67b3o$93bo$92b
o$34b3o54bo$33bo3bo52bo7b2o3b2o$32bo5bo$32bo5bo49bo10bo3bo$87bo12b3o$
32bo53bo13b3o$32b2o51bo$32b2o$31b2o2bo47bo19bo$32bobo47bo19b3o$33b2o46b
o19bo3bo$67b2o3b2o6bo22bo$100bo5bo$30b2o3b2o31bo3bo5bo21bo5bo$30b2o3b
2o32b3o5bo23bo3bo$69b3o4bo25b3o$32b3o40bo$32b3o$33bo39bo7bo43bo$72bo8b
obo39bobo$23b2o17b2o27bo12b2o6b2o19b2o6b2o12b2o$18bo4b2o17b2o4bo21bo13b
2o4bo3bo17bo3bo4b2o12b2o$12b2ob5o6b2o11b2o6b5ob2o12b3o14b2o3bo5bo15bo
5bo3b2o$11bo4b2o2bo5b3o9b3o5bo2b2o4bo11bobo11bobo4b2obo3bo15bo3bob2o4b
obo$2o8bo8b2o5b2o11b2o5b2o8bo10b3o11bo7bo5bo15bo5bo7bo$2o8bo7bo4b2o17b
2o4bo7bo33bo3bo17bo3bo$10bo12b2o17b2o12bo35b2o19b2o$11bo43bo$12b2o19b
o19b2o$32b3o$32b3o$65b3o34b3o$30b2o3b2o28b3o33bo3bo$30b2o3b2o27bo3bo31b
o5bo$100bo5bo$63b2o3b2o33bo$33b2o66bo3bo$32bobo67b3o$31b2o2bo67bo$32b
2o$32b2o$32bo67b3o$100b3o$32bo5bo60bo3bo$32bo5bo$33bo3bo60b2o3b2o$34b
3o3$67b3o$66bo3bo$65bo5bo$65bo5bo$45bo22bo22bo$43bobo20bo3bo20bobo$35b
2o4b2o18b2o4b3o4b2o18b2o4b2o$35b2o4b2o17bo3bo3bo3bo3bo17b2o4b2o$41b2o
16bo5bo5bo5bo16b2o$43bobo13bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo13bobo$45bo13bo5bo5bo5bo13b
o$60bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$61b2o4b3o4b2o$66bo3bo$68bo$65bo5bo$65bo5bo$66bo3bo
$67b3o14$67b2o3b2o2$68bo3bo$69b3o$69b3o5$69b2o$69b2o!

Wow! The radius is 30 cells! The conditional radius, I understand. And the barrels of Gosper's minimally round multi-barrel shotgun can be combined. Can they be further reduced?

[MDA]

[…] Gosper's 16-bit rifle. […]

The correct term is “gun”, not “rifle”.

[NNlk05]

They already stated they are not interested in any way in OCA. Just leave them be with their terms.

[MDA]

They already stated they are not interested in any way in OCA. Just leave them be with their terms.

I’m sorry, I didn’t notice.

[Sober ABC]

Would you like to know what OCA is? New rules of the cellular automaton? What is the correct abbreviation?

Of the fundamental terms, the most interesting is the conditional speed of light. In fact, this is an iteration, a generational change. The time it takes to change the cells? Or the cells themselves (two patterns)? I'm happy on the forum, but I keep getting excited about it. That there is no clear distinction between statics and dynamics, quality and quantity, movement and constancy in terms of terms.

[Sober ABC]

Does this count as a solution?:

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x = 12, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T0,5
o3bo6bo$o3bo6bo$2o2bo5b2o$3obo4b3o$o3bo6bo!

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23:T0,5
o3b3o$2o3b2o$3o3bo$2obo2bo$o2bob2o!

An option that cannot be! There is no reverse sequence... If the squares were built first and then destroyed. Etc... I can't find a solution myself. Maybe it doesn't exist? Is the border of 5 cells too narrow?

[Sober ABC]

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x = 35, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
35o$4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o$2ob2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b
2o$o2bobo5bo5bo5bo5bo4bo$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$o4b25obo2bo$2o4bo21b
o2bob2o$3o3bo21bo3b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo$o
4b2o21b2obo2bo$2o4bo21bo2bob2o$3o3bo21bo3b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o$o2bob2o21b
2o4bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo$o4b2o21b2obo2bo$2o4bo21bo2bob2o$3o3bo21bo3b3o$2ob
o2bo21bo4b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo$o4b2o21b2obo2bo$2o4bo21bo2b
ob2o$3o3bo21bo3b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o$o2bob25o4bo$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
o$o4bo5bo5bo5bo5bobo2bo$2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2ob2o$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o$
4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o$35o!

I would like to find a program that stretches such squares... It takes a lot of time manually...

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x = 295, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
35o$4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o72b37o$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o72b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b2o112b39o$2ob2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o2bob2o72bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo112b
o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2bo$o4bo5bo5bo5bo5bobo2bo72bo4bo2bo2bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo6bo112bo3bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo3bo$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo72b
o3b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2ob2o3bo112b2o30bo4b2o$o2bob25o4bo72b2o2bo2bo2bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo3b2ob2o112b3o2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b2obo3b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b
2o72b3o6bo5bo5bo5bo6b3o112b2o3b3o2b4o2b4o2b4o2b7o2b2o$3o3bo21bo3b3o72b
2ob2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2bo3b2o112bo2b4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3ob3o3bo$2o4bo21bo
2bob2o72bo3b2ob23o3bo2bo112bo4bo27b2o3bo$o4b2o21b2obo2bo72bo5b3o19b3o
5bo112bo3b3obo4bo5bo5bo4bo7bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo72bo2bo3b2o19b2ob2o3bo112b
2o2b3o5b3o3b3o3b3o10b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo72b2o3bo2bo19bo3b2ob2o112b3o2b
2o3b19o3b2o2b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o72b3o5bo19bo5b3o112b2o8bo17bo3b3o2b2o$
3o3bo21bo3b3o72b2ob2o3bo19bo2bo3b2o112bo8b2o17b2o2b3o3bo$2o4bo21bo2bo
b2o72bo3b2ob2o19b2o3bo2bo112bo3b2o2b3o17b3o2b2o3bo$o4b2o21b2obo2bo72b
o5b3o19b3o5bo112bo3b3o2b2o17b2o8bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo72bo2bo3b2o19b2ob2o3b
o112b2o2b3o3bo17bo8b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo72b2o3bo2bo19bo3b2ob2o112b3o2b2o
3bo17bo3b2o2b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o72b3o5bo19bo5b3o112b2o8bo17bo3b3o2b2o$
3o3bo21bo3b3o72b2ob2o3bo19bo2bo3b2o112bo8b2o17b2o2b3o3bo$2o4bo21bo2bo
b2o72bo3b2ob2o19b2o3bo2bo112bo3b2o2b3o17b3o2b2o3bo$o4b2o21b2obo2bo72b
o5b3o19b3o5bo112bo3b3o2b2o17b2o8bo$o3b3o21b3o3bo72bo2bo3b2o19b2ob2o3b
o112b2o2b3o3bo17bo8b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo72b2o3bo2bo19bo3b2ob2o112b3o2b2o
3bo17bo3b2o2b3o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o72b3o5bo19bo5b3o112b2o8bo17bo3b3o2b2o$
3o3bo21bo3b3o72b2ob2o3bo19bo2bo3b2o112bo8b2o17b2o2b3o3bo$2o4bo21bo2bo
b2o72bo3b2ob2o19b2o3bo2bo112bo3b2o2b3o17b3o2b2o3bo$o4b25obo2bo72bo5b3o
19b3o5bo112bo3b3o2b2o17b2o8bo$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo72bo2bo3b23ob2o
3bo112b2o2b3o3bo17bo8b2o$o2bobo5bo5bo5bo5bo4bo72b2o3bo2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b2ob2o112b3o2b2o3b19o3b2o2b3o$2obo2b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2ob2o72b3o6bo5bo
5bo5bo6b3o112b2o10b3o3b3o3b3o5b3o2b2o$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o72b2ob2o3bo2b
o2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2b2o112bo7bo4bo5bo5bo4bob3o3bo$4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b4o72bo3b2ob2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o3bo112bo3b2o27bo4bo$35o72bo6bo2bo2bo
2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo4bo112bo3b3ob3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o2bo$107bo5bo5bo5bo5b
o5bo5bo112b2o2b7o2b4o2b4o2b4o2b3o3b2o$107b2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b2o112b
3o3bob2o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2b3o$107b37o112b2o4bo30b2o$256bo3bo5bo5bo5bo5b
o5bo3bo$256bo2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2bo$256b39o!

Angle mapping... I doubt it. And it would be necessary to analyze the square! How many docking positions are there? Ah! The main division is alternating left with right when turning 90 degrees. The range. That's the basic ambiguity.

Дедушка планера?

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x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$9bo$6bobo$7bo2$bo$2bo9bobo$o2bo7bo2bo$obo9bo$13bo2$7bo$6bobo$5bo
$7b2o!

It's a pity it won't make a cannon, but you can shoot it down to a spark... It was a pleasure. To make such a glider flight. Semetrically. Internal.

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8bo2$10b2o$10bobo$9b2o2b2o$13b2o$7b2o5b2o$5b6obob2o5b2o$5b2o3b2o2b
o2bo$4bo3bo4b2o2b3o$3bo5bo3bo5bo$3b3o2b2o4bo3bo$5bo2bo2b2o3b2o$2o5b2o
bob6o$7b2o5b2o$8b2o$8b2o2b2o$10bobo$11b2o2$14bo$14bo!

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x = 558, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
324b23o$324b4o3b3o3b3o3b4o96b17o$324b3o5bo5bo5b3o96b4o3b3o3b4o$324b2o
b2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o96b3o5bo5b3o79b19o$324bo2bobo5bo5bobo2bo96b2o4b2ob2o
4b2o79b5o3b3o3b5o$324bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo96bo4bo5bo4bo79b4o5bo5b4o$324bo
4b13o4bo96bo3b3o3b3o3bo79b3o4b2ob2o4b3o$324b2o4bo9bo4b2o96bo2bob7obo2b
o79bo5b2o3b2o5bo$324b3o3bo9bo3b3o96b2obo2bo3bo2bob2o79b2o3b2o5b2o3b2o
$324b2obo2bo9bo2bob2o96b3o3bo3bo3b3o79b5ob7ob5o$35o289bo2bob2o9b2obo2b
o96b2obo2bo3bo2bob2o79b4o2b2o3b2o2b4o$4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o289bo3b3o
9b3o3bo96bo2bob7obo2bo79b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o289bo2bob2o
9b2obo2bo96bo3b3o3b3o3bo79b4o2b2o3b2o2b4o$2ob2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o289b
2obo2bo9bo2bob2o96bo4bo5bo4bo79b5ob7ob5o$o2bobo5bo5bo5bo5bo4bo289b3o3b
o9bo3b3o96b2o4b2ob2o4b2o79b2o3b2o5b2o4bo$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo289b
2o4bo9bo4b2o96b3o5bo5b3o79bo5b2o3b2o4b2o$o4b25obo2bo289bo4b13o4bo96b4o
3b3o3b4o79b3o4b2ob2o4b3o$2o4bo21bo2bob2o47b29o213bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo96b
17o79b4o5bo5b4o$3o3bo21bo3b3o47b4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o72b35o106bo2bobo5bo
5bobo2bo192b5o3b3o3b5o$2obo2bo21bo4b2o47b3o5bo5bo5bo5b3o72b4o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b4o106b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o192b19o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo47b2o4b2o4b
2ob2o4b2o4b2o72b3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o106b3o5bo5bo5b3o$o3b3o21b3o3bo47bo4b
o5bo5bo5bo4bo72b2ob2o4b2o4b2ob2o4b2o4b2ob2o106b4o3b3o3b3o3b4o$o4b2o21b
2obo2bo47bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo72bo2bobo5bo5bo5bo5bobo2bo106b23o$2o4bo
21bo2bob2o47bo2bob19obo2bo72bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$3o3bo21bo3b3o47b
2obo2bo15bo2bob2o72bo4b25o4bo$2obo2bo21bo4b2o47b3o3bo15bo3b3o72b2o4bo
21bo4b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo47b2o4bo15bo4b2o72b3o3bo21bo3b3o$o3b3o21b3o3b
o47bo4b2o15b2o4bo72b2obo2bo21bo2bob2o$o4b2o21b2obo2bo47bo3b3o15b3o3bo
72bo2bob2o21b2obo2bo$2o4bo21bo2bob2o47bo2bob2o15b2obo2bo72bo3b3o21b3o
3bo$3o3bo21bo3b3o47b2obo2bo15bo2bob2o72bo4b2o21b2o4bo$2obo2bo21bo4b2o
47b3o3bo15bo3b3o72b2o4bo21bo4b2o$o2bob2o21b2o4bo47b2obo2bo15bo2bob2o72b
3o3bo21bo3b3o$o3b3o21b3o3bo47bo2bob2o15b2obo2bo72b2obo2bo21bo2bob2o$o
4b2o21b2obo2bo47bo3b3o15b3o3bo72bo2bob2o21b2obo2bo$2o4bo21bo2bob2o47b
o4b2o15b2o4bo72bo3b3o21b3o3bo$3o3bo21bo3b3o47b2o4bo15bo4b2o72bo2bob2o
21b2obo2bo$2obo2bo21bo4b2o47b3o3bo15bo3b3o72b2obo2bo21bo2bob2o$o2bob25o
4bo47b2obo2bo15bo2bob2o72b3o3bo21bo3b3o$o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo47bo2b
ob19obo2bo72b2o4bo21bo4b2o$o4bo5bo5bo5bo5bobo2bo47bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
o72bo4b2o21b2o4bo$2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2ob2o47bo4bo5bo5bo5bo4bo72bo3b3o
21b3o3bo$3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o47b2o4b2o4b2ob2o4b2o4b2o72bo2bob2o21b2obo2b
o$4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o47b3o5bo5bo5bo5b3o72b2obo2bo21bo2bob2o$35o47b
4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o72b3o3bo21bo3b3o$82b29o72b2o4bo21bo4b2o$183bo4b25o4b
o$183bo3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3bo$183bo2bobo5bo5bo5bo5bobo2bo$183b2ob2o4b
2o4b2ob2o4b2o4b2ob2o$183b3o5bo5bo5bo5bo5b3o$183b4o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b4o
$183b35o!

[Sober ABC]

Is there a collection of glider grandfathers by cell, by square? Well, what would you like to gather all the parents? What would... The glider consists of 5 cells. I found the chain 10-6-5.

And how many cells does the glider-90 consist of? And in guns, pistols?

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x = 6, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo$4o$o4bo$bo3bo$b2obo!

12-13-16-11-13-12-15-12-13-5 at Gosper's gun

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x = 33, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
24b2o5b2o$24b2o5b2o2$27b2o$27b2o4$4b2o$4b2o12bo$18bobo$2o5b2o9b3o$2o5b
2o11bo!

And the gun from Herschel (Simkin - excuse me, I remember the last name only by ear) turns out to be a chain of more than 20 steps. It starts with 7 cells in the form of a "four" - the stem of my favorite term mdgj-seed.

In the glider's birth chain, it is necessary to discard the extra cells that do not affect the delivery of the cell. Well! I'll count it! Messing around, playing. 7-8-13-11-19-12-17-15-16-24-20-24-20-22-22-17-15-14-15-12-14-14-16-5 for a total of 24 iterations.

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x = 16, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
3ob3o$obobo$obob3o$obobobo7b2o$3ob3o6b3o$14b2o$13bo!
 

And glider number 06, 90 or 9006 leads the chain to 3 streets. I'll count from them. 18-19-23-19-26-15(2)-19-6(9)-5(8)-5(9)-5(9)-5(12)-5(11) in general, then there is zero spark. And 6 cells, like in my grandfather's glider (10-8-6-5). It turns out that he is also a grandfather glider (6-8-6-5). Well, that's how it should be 2 grandfathers, 4 great-grandfathers!

And mbjg-seed is listed among the 6090 - I will not write the code. The first one got caught...

[MDA]

I thought you might like this pattern I made:

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x = 471, y = 472, rule = B3/S23
o$2o$b2o$2o22$92bo$92b2o$93b2o$92b2o22$184bo$184b2o$185b2o$184b2o22$
276bo$276b2o$277b2o$276b2o14$25bo$25b2o$26b2o$25b2o5$368bo$368b2o$369b
2o$368b2o14$117bo$117b2o$118b2o$117b2o22$209bo$209b2o$210b2o$209b2o22$
301bo$301b2o$302b2o$301b2o14$50bo$50b2o$51b2o$50b2o5$393bo$393b2o$394b
2o$393b2o14$142bo$142b2o$143b2o$142b2o22$234bo$234b2o$235b2o$234b2o22$
326bo$326b2o$327b2o$326b2o14$75bo$75b2o$76b2o$75b2o5$418bo$418b2o$419b
2o$418b2o14$167bo$167b2o$168b2o$167b2o22$259bo$259b2o$260b2o$259b2o22$
351bo$351b2o$352b2o$351b2o14$100bo$100b2o$101b2o$100b2o5$443bo$443b2o$
444b2o$443b2o14$192bo$192b2o$193b2o$192b2o22$284bo$284b2o$285b2o$284b
2o22$376bo$376b2o$377b2o$376b2o22$468bo$468b2o$469b2o$468b2o!

It consists of a 5x5 arrangement of B-heptominoes that use their gliders to produce some more. Those heptominoes' gliders, in turn, are used to create one more layer of B-heptominoes.

[Sober ABC]

Thank you. Nicely. In fact, the diamond-shaped field turned out to be sown with a "pentonym," or, as I call it, an mdgj-seed.

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x = 53, y = 188, rule = B3/S23
o$2o$b2o$2o89$25bo$25b2o$26b2o$25b2o89$50bo$50b2o$51b2o$50b2o!

The rhombus is K 1-2-3, which is a straight line. Cool. Minimal, in terms of the number of spills in different directions.

[MDA]

Thank you. Nicely. In fact, the diamond-shaped field turned out to be sown with a "pentonym," or, as I call it, an mdgj-seed.

The correct term is “pentomino”, rather than “pentonym”. Could you please explain what each letter of “MDJ” means?

[Sober ABC]

Could you please explain what each letter of “MDJ” means?

The shortest definition of "mdgj" is the totality of all Gershil's grandfathers. To be more precise, it's for clarity... Not short. Then this is the "one" grandfather for both the pentonym and the Herschel. And all kinds of natural patterns... I had one entry with a collection of these grandfathers, a pentonym with 1 dot added. It's a pity that she got lost in my messages and incorrect quotes. That's a pretty artistic definition. I was trying to define it. It doesn't work. Hints of backtracking... The generation change is in reverse order. Probably something like that influenced, inspired. How to get the same thing from different patterns. Or generate gliders not with guns. They'll only confuse you more! Something like that!


And the stupidest "mdjg" is when a large starting pattern chews for a long time and ends in such a way that in an arbitrary direction, with arbitrary cuts, everything ends with a herschel (pentonym). Like a house" from which a tree grows. Well, Herschel reminds me of cyfra 4 and the crown of a tree. And such tree seeds are the "grandfathers" of both Herschel and the pentonym.

And of course semetria! And look for rock climbers... I remember accidentally finding a rock climber, I didn't know it was called that. I didn't know what I was looking for. And now I don't really understand. I understand more precisely that a natural frost will definitely not work. But how to mutate tree seeds? What would...