Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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p78 glider gun reduced to 37x41 (1517-cell BB) achieved by heavily optimising the p3 catalyst in the previously posted p78 gun design into a much smaller size:

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x = 37, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
17b2o5b2o2b2o3b2o$13b2obo2bob2o2bo2bobobobo$14bob2obobob2o5bobo$13bo2b
o2bo3bo5b2o2bo$13b2o3bob2obo6b2obo$17b2obobo7bo2b2o$17bo8b2o2b3o2bo$
19b3o3bo7bobo$15b4o6bobob2ob2ob2o$14bobo2bo2bob2o7bobo$14bo2b3o2bo4bo
5bobo$13b2obobo3bo2b3o3b3ob2o$11bo2bob2o3bo3bo4bo$11b2o8bo8b2o$35b2o$
35bo$33bobo$33b2o$8b2o16bo$8bobo14bobo$11bo2b2o8bo3bo$9b2obo2bo8bo3bo
6b2o$8bobob2o10bo3bo6b2o$9bo15bobo$2b2o22bo$3bo$3bobo17b2o7b2o$4b2o18b
o2bo4bobo$22bobobo2bo4bo$21bobobo8b2o$21bobo2b2ob3o$12b2o4b2obobo6bobo
$12bobo3bobobo7bobo$13bo6bo9b3obo$3b2o15b2o7b3o$3bo25bo3bobo$2obo5bobo
12b2o3b2o5bo$ob2ob2o3b2o12bo2bobo5b2o$5bo4bo15b2o2bo$5bobo21b2o$6b2o!
In fact, this design is actually small enough to somehow reduce the p39 glider gun from 39x27 (1053-cell BB) to 40x24 (960-cell BB):

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x = 40, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo2bo6b2o13b2o$6b6o2b3o4b2o6bo7bo$2o3bo11bo9b3o4bobo$o2b3ob5o4b2o
8bo6b2o$b2o3bobo2bo14b2o3b3o$4bobo4bobo16bo4bo$b2o3bo5b2o9b2o5bobo3bob
2o$o2bobobo21b2obobob2obo$2o5bobo11bo7bo5bo$7bo2b2o8bobo6bo7b2o$6bo12b
2ob2o4bobo7bo$2o5b3ob2o7bobo6bo6bo$obo6b2o10bo4b3o7b2o$2b3o4bo16bo2b3o
$bo3bo4b3o15bo2bo$b4o3bob3o16b2o$4b2obo$b3o3bob3o$o3b2o2bo$obo2b2obo3b
o$b3o4bob3o13bo$8bo18b2o$b2obo4b6o11b2o$bob2o6bo2bo!
Edit: p39 gun reduced to 38x24 (912-cell BB):

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x = 38, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo2bo6b2o$6b6o2b3o4b2o6bo$2o3bo11bo9b3o2b2o$o2b3ob5o4b2o8bo6b3o$b
2o3bobo2bo14b2o3bo4bo$4bobo4bobo16bob3obo$b2o3bo5b2o9b2o5bo$o2bobobo
21b2o2bobo$2o5bobo11bo7bo3bo$7bo2b2o8bobo6bo$6bo12b2ob2o4bo2b2o$2o5b3o
b2o7bobo6b4o$obo6b2o10bo4b3o2b3ob2o$2b3o4bo16bo2b3o5bo$bo3bo4b3o15bo4b
o2bo$b4o3bob3o16b3o3bo$4b2obo24b4obo$b3o3bob3o19bo4b2o$o3b2o2bo23b3o$o
bo2b2obo3bo21bob2o$b3o4bob3o13bo8bobo$8bo18b2o$b2obo4b6o11b2o$bob2o6bo
2bo!

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x = 35, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o3b2o3bo3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$2o2bobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo$obobo2bo2bob
o2bobo2bo2bobo3bobo$2bobo3bobobobo2bo5bobo3bobob2o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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A slightly modified rotor could probably solve this:

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x = 33, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
8.A2.A2.A6.2A$6.6A2.3A3.B2AB5.A$2A3.A11.A2.4B3.3A$A2.3A.5A4.2A3.2B3.A
$.2A3.A.A2.A4.7B2.B2A$3.BA.A4.A.AB3.10B$.6ABA3.2AB.10B$A2.A.B.BA5.12B
$2A5.B.2B3.6B3A3B$6.ABA.2A.6BA3BA3B3.2A$6.A2.B.A6BA5BA2B2.A2.A$2A5.3A
.2A.5BA3BA3BA2.2A$A.A6.A10B3A3BAB2A$2.3A4.B2.13B.BA2.2A$.A3.A3.3AB2.B
3.5B2.2B2A2.A$.2ABA.BA4B2A5.5B3.B.B.2A$4.2ABA4.B7.5B2.B2A.A$.3A3.A.2A
B9.5B.BAB.A$A3.2A2.A.2A8.5B4.2A$A.A2.2A.A.A.A.C4.8B$.3A4.2AB2A.A3.4B3.
2A$8.A4.A3.4B4.A$.2A.A4.4A3.4B6.3A$.A.2A5.A4.4B9.A$8.A6.3B$8.2A5.3B!

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#C [[ THEME Golly ]]
x = 27, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
8.A$A6.A.A$3A4.BA2B.B2D$3.A4.2B.2B2DB$2.2A2.3B.6B2.3B$2.20B$4.19B$4.2B
C10BD4B$4.2B2C10BD4B$4.B2C11B2D3B$4.13B2D4B$5.12BD3B.B2A$6.13B3.BA.A$
6.3B.B3.B10.A$25.2A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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It can in fact be done: (33x26 (858-cell BB) p39 gun)

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x = 33, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
10b2o6bo2bo2bo$3bo6b2o4b3o2b6o$3b3o9bo11bo3b2o$6bo8b2o4b5ob3o2bo$5b2o
14bo2bobo3b2o$19bobo4bobo$8b2o9b2o5bo3b2o$25bobobo2bo$11bo11bobo5b2o$b
2o7bobo8b2o2bo$o2bo5b2ob2o12bo$b2o2bo4bobo7b2ob3o5b2o$3b2obo4bo10b2o6b
obo$b2o2bo17bo4b3o$o2b2o15b3o4bo3bo$2o18b3obo3b4o$bob2o20bob2o$bo2bo
16b3obo3b3o$2b2o13b2o5bo2b2o3bo$12bo4bo2bo3bob2o2bobo$6b2o5b2o3bob3obo
4b3o$7bo4b2o5bo4bo$4b3o13b4o4bob2o$4bo17bo5b2obo$24bo$23b2o!
Edit: And a small population reduction to help optimisation just a tiny bit more: (Still a 33x26 design)

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x = 33, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
10b2o6bo$3bo6b2o4b3o6b2o$3b3o9bo6bo2bobo3b2o$6bo8b2o4bobobob3o2bo$5b2o
14bo2bobo3b2o$19bobo4bobo$8b2o9b2o5bo3b2o$25bobobo2bo$11bo11bobo5b2o$b
2o7bobo8b2o2bo$o2bo5b2ob2o12bo$b2o2bo4bobo7b2ob3o5b2o$3b2obo4bo10b2o6b
obo$b2o2bo17bo4b3o$o2b2o15b3o4bo3bo$2o18b3obo3b4o$bob2o20bob2o$bo2bo
16b3obo3b3o$2b2o13b2o5bo2b2o3bo$12bo4bo2bo3bob2o2bobo$6b2o5b2o3bob3obo
4b3o$7bo4b2o5bo4bo$4b3o13b4o4bob2o$4bo17bo5b2obo$24bo$23b2o!

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x = 35, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o3b2o3bo3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$2o2bobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo$obobo2bo2bob
o2bobo2bo2bobo3bobo$2bobo3bobobobo2bo5bobo3bobob2o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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yyh_baboon wrote: July 26th, 2026, 2:00 am
WhiteHawk wrote: July 23rd, 2026, 12:35 pm The last two have this awful-looking weld (done by hand) if anyone wants to try and reduce it
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Reduction:

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 x = 20, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
2b2ob2o$bobobo$3bo2bo11b2o$o2bob2o7b2o3bo$2o12bo2bo$3ob3o5b2o2b3o$bob
o2bo4bo2b2o$3bobo5bobo2b3o$3bob2o2b2obob2o2bo$2bo2bo2bo3bo3b2o$3b2o2b
2ob2ob2o$8bobo2bo$7bo3bo2bo$8b3ob2o$10bobo$13bo$11b3o$10bo$10b2o!
Here is some further reduction (JLS):

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x = 20, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bobo$3bob2o11b2o$o2bo2bo2bo4b2o3bo$2o4bobobo3bo2bo$3obobo2bo6b3o$
bobob2o5b4o$3bo7bo4b3o$3bo7bob3o2bo$2bo9bo3b2o$3b3o7b2o$5bo5bobo$9b3o
2bo$8bo3b2o$7bo2bobo$8b3o2bo$11b3o$10bo$10b2o!
And more reduction that also reduces the guns' BB (3520 -> 3397 for both):

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x = 79, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$16bo$16bob2o3b2o37b2o$17bobo4bo36bo2bo12b2o$6b2o11bob3o10b2ob2o
23b2o13bo$7bo10b2obo11bobobo11b2o24bobo$7bobo25bo2bo6b2o3bo24b2o$8b2o
4b3o15bo2bob2o6bo2bo8bo12bo$13bo3bo14b2o8bo4b3o6bobo10bobo$12bo5bo13b
3ob3o3b5o9bobo11bo$13bo3bo15bobo2bo8b3o7bo17b2o$14b3o18bobo6b3o2bo25bo
bo$35bob2o4bo3b2o28bo$18bo15bo2bo2bobob2o31b2o$2o14bo2bo4bo10b2o2b2obo
bo$bo9b3o2bobo3b2obo16bo2bo$bobo6bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo12bob2ob2o24b2o$2b2o
6bob2o3bobo2b3o13b2obobo20b2o4bo$11bo4bo2bo24bo19b2o3bo$17bo24b3o23bo$
35bo5bo22b5obo$19b3o14bo4b2o12bo8bo4bobo$18bo3bo11b3o17bobo9bo2bobo$
17bo5bo30bobo8b2o3bo$18bo3bo6b2o24bo$19b3o4b2o2bo28b2o$26bob2o29bobo$
14bob2o10bo32bo$12b3obo11bo2b2o28b2o$11bo4bobo8b2obobo5b2o$11b2o3b2obo
7bo2bo7b2o$19bo9b2o$19b2o4$38b2ob2o$34b2o2b2obo3b2o$34bo6bobo2bo$35b7o
b2o$42bo20bo$37b4obo21bo$37bo2b2o20b3o!

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x = 79, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$16bo$16bob2o3b2o37b2o$17bobo4bo36bo2bo12b2o$6b2o11bob3o10b2ob2o
23b2o13bo$7bo10b2obo11bobobo11b2o24bobo$7bobo25bo2bo6b2o3bo24b2o$8b2o
4b3o15bo2bob2o6bo2bo8bo12bo$13bo3bo14b2o8bo4b3o6bobo10bobo$12bo5bo13b
3ob3o3b5o9bobo11bo$13bo3bo15bobo2bo8b3o7bo17b2o$14b3o18bobo6b3o2bo25b
obo$35bob2o4bo3b2o28bo$18bo15bo2bo2bobob2o31b2o$2o14bo2bo4bo10b2o2b2o
bobo$bo9b3o2bobo3b2obo16bo2bo$bobo6bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo12bob2ob2o24b2o$2b
2o6bob2o3bobo2b3o13b2obobo20b2o4bo$11bo4bo2bo24bo19b2o3bo$17bo24b3o23b
o$35bo5bo22b5obo$19b3o14bo4b2o12bo8bo4bobo$18bo3bo11b3o17bobo9bo2bobo
$17bo5bo30bobo8b2o3bo$18bo3bo6b2o24bo$19b3o4b2o2bo28b2o$26bob2o29bobo
$14bob2o10bo32bo$12b3obo11bo2b2o28b2o$11bo4bobo8b2obobo5b2o25b2o$11b2o
3b2obo7bo2bo7b2o25b2o$19bo9b2o$19b2o$65b3o$66b2o$63b2o$38b2ob2o20b3o$
34b2o2b2obo3b2o17bobo$34bo6bobo2bo18b2o$35b7ob2o$42bo20bo$37b4obo21bo
$37bo2b2o20b3o!
Also a population reduction to the p39 gun catalyst that allows me to orient the gun correctly:
EDIT: Irrelevant, because it was already reduced more.

EDIT 2:
I reduced guntrue_159 by flipping the tremi-snark (3496 -> 3128) and a large population reduction to guntrue_162 (reduced huge p3 weld).
Also, reduction to guntrue_380 via a 5x period multiplied guntrue_76, instead of a glider loop (3472 -> 2891):

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x = 58, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
40bo7bo$41b2o3b3o$6b2o3b2o26b2o4bo$6bobobobo28bo3b2o$8bobo$7bobobo2b2o
$11bo2bobo22b2o$9bob2obo2bo20bobo$11bo2b3o22bo$7bo3b3o29bo11bo$11bo2bo
28b2o8b3o$8b3o2b2o26bo2bo7bo$29b2o10b6o5b2o$30bo10b3o$29bo$9b2o18b4o$
2o6bo2bo6b2o12bo7bo$bo7b2o7bo8b3o9bo2b3o10b2o$bobo12bobo7bo2bo10bo3b2o
9b2o$2b2o12b2o8b2o13bo2b2o$43bo2$39b2o9b2o$22b2o8b2o5b2o9b2o2b2o$22b2o
8b2o20bobo$56bo$29bo26b2o$27b2o2bo13b2o$27b2o3bo10bo2bo$8bo19b3o2bo9b
3o$7bobo22bo7bo$7bobo30b4o$8bo34bo$12b2o15b3o10bo$12bobo5bo5b6o10b2o$
14bo5bo7bo2bo$14b2o3b3o6b2o$29bo$33bo$32bobo$18b5o9b2o$17bob3obo$17bob
obobo11bo$16b2obobob2o5bo2bo2bo$18bob2o4b5o2bo2bo$18bo4b3o5b2obo$19b3o
bo7b2o$21bo2bobo2bob2o$22b2o4bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: July 27th, 2026, 1:56 pm EDIT 2:
I reduced guntrue_159 by flipping the tremi-snark (3496 -> 3128) and a large population reduction to guntrue_162 (reduced huge p3 weld).
Also, reduction to guntrue_380 via a 5x period multiplied guntrue_76, instead of a glider loop (3472 -> 2891):

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x = 58, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
40bo7bo$41b2o3b3o$6b2o3b2o26b2o4bo$6bobobobo28bo3b2o$8bobo$7bobobo2b2o
$11bo2bobo22b2o$9bob2obo2bo20bobo$11bo2b3o22bo$7bo3b3o29bo11bo$11bo2bo
28b2o8b3o$8b3o2b2o26bo2bo7bo$29b2o10b6o5b2o$30bo10b3o$29bo$9b2o18b4o$
2o6bo2bo6b2o12bo7bo$bo7b2o7bo8b3o9bo2b3o10b2o$bobo12bobo7bo2bo10bo3b2o
9b2o$2b2o12b2o8b2o13bo2b2o$43bo2$39b2o9b2o$22b2o8b2o5b2o9b2o2b2o$22b2o
8b2o20bobo$56bo$29bo26b2o$27b2o2bo13b2o$27b2o3bo10bo2bo$8bo19b3o2bo9b
3o$7bobo22bo7bo$7bobo30b4o$8bo34bo$12b2o15b3o10bo$12bobo5bo5b6o10b2o$
14bo5bo7bo2bo$14b2o3b3o6b2o$29bo$33bo$32bobo$18b5o9b2o$17bob3obo$17bob
obobo11bo$16b2obobob2o5bo2bo2bo$18bob2o4b5o2bo2bo$18bo4b3o5b2obo$19b3o
bo7b2o$21bo2bobo2bob2o$22b2o4bo!
Related reductions

guntrue_760 (3696 -> 2989)
guntrue_477 (4104 -> 3772) - the old one used a bronco and a nifty p3 bumper

Both previous designs

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x = 66, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$30bobo$24b2o4bo$22bo2bo2b2ob4o$22b2obobobobo2bo$25bobobobo$25bo
bob2o$26bo2$39b2o$30b2o7bo$30b2o5bobo$37b2o2$9bo$9b3o$12bo$11b2o2$27b
2o$3b2o23bo27bo$3bo21b3o22b2o3bobo$2obo21bo25bo3bo2bo$o2b3o4b2o39bob2o
bobo$b2o3bo3b2o40bobobob2o$3b4o48b2obo2bo$3bo15b2o39b2o$4b3o12bobo$7b
o13bo$2b5o14b2o15b2o5b2o$2bo36bo5bobo$4bo19b2o13bobo3bo$3b2o19bo15b2o
16b2o$26bo31b2o$25b2o2$11b2o$12bo45b2o$12bob2o42b2o$13bo2bo$14b2o$29b
2o$29b2o$62b2o$58bo3bobo$57bobo3b3o$58bo5b2o$37bo3b2o18b2o$36bobo3bo18b
3o$32b2obobo3bo$32b2obo4bo7b2o$36b5obo4bobo12b2o$28b2obob2obo4bobo3bo
14b2o$28bob2obo2bob2o2bo3b2o11bo$21b2o12b2obob2o18bo$21b2o35b3o!

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x = 76, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
64b2o$64b2o2$74b2o$74bo$72bobo$72b2o$56b2o$46b2o8b2o$47bo$47bobo22b2o
$25b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$9b2o14bo17bo30bo$9b2o12bobo18bo29b2o$23b2o18b2o
$9b4o$9bo3bo56b2o$12bo57b2o$12bobo$13b2o$9b2o29b2o$9bo30b2o$7bobo$7b2o
$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o3$6b2o43b2o$5bo2bo43bo$6bobo40b3o$7bo41bo23b2o$73b2o$
60b2o$6bo48b2o2bo2bo$b2o3bo45bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo2b3obo42bobobo5bo8bobob
2o$2b3o4b2o41bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$5bo2bo46bo2bo9b2o$bob2o2bobobo13b2o11b
o17bo4bo$b2obob2obo2b2o12b2o8b3o18b5o$4bo2bobo3bobo9bo9bo$4b2o2bo7bo18b
2o22bo$15b2o4b2o11b2o22bobo$9bo10b3o10b2o24bo$4b2o3bobo8bo2bo6bo3bo$4b
o2bo5b2o5b2obo4b3ob3o$5b6ob3o6b2o10bo$10bobo2bo12b6o$7b2obobo2bo2b2o8b
2obo23bo$7b2obobo2bo3bo7b2o27bo$11bo5b2o35b3o!
Last edited by WhiteHawk on July 31st, 2026, 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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guntrue_18 reduced by one column with LLS (3400 -> 3350):

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x = 67, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
30b2o4bo$31bo3bobo$31bob3obo$32bo3bo9b2o13b2o$34bo9bo2bo3b2o3b2o4bo$33b
3o6b4obob3obo2bo2b3o$36bo4bo4bobo4bo3bobo$31b3ob3o4b2o2bo2b2obob4obob
3o$29b2o3bo4b2obob3o2b2obo8bo2bo$27bo2b3o2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o2b2o5b2o$
27b5obobo7bob2ob2obo3bobo$23b2o7b2obob7o2bobo2b3o3bobo$b2o21bo2b4o2bo
b2o7b2o3b2o3b4ob3o$bobo20bobobo9b2o2b2o7b2o9bo$2b2o3b2obo2b2o6bob2obo
2b2o3b4o2bo2bo7bob3o5b2o$3bob3ob2o2b2o4b3obo2bo5bobo2bo2b2o13bo$bob2o
2bo10bo6b2ob3obo$obob3o2b8o2b6o2b2o4bo$bo5bobo7b2o6bo2bo3bo5bo8b2o$7b
2o2b2o2bo3bob2obo4bo2bo3b3o9bo2b2o$3b2o2bo3bo4bob2obobo2bo3bo4bo12bob
o2bo$3bo2b3obobo3bo4bo2b4o6bobo8b2obo2b2o2bo2bo$8b2o3bo7bo7b2ob3obo7b
o2bob2o2b6o$b2ob3o3b3o3bo2bob2o7bob4o8b2obo4bo$4b2ob2obo2b7obo7b2o16b
o2b2ob3ob4o$bo2b2o2bo2bobo7bobo3b2obo11b2o3bobo3bobobo2bo$o3bobo2b2o2b
o2b4o2bobobob4o2bo5b4o4b6obo$obobob2obo3bobo4b2o2bobo3bo3b2o3b2obo2bo
bobo4bobo$bobo5bo4bo3b2o2b2o2b7ob2o4b2o2b2obob2ob2o2bo$2bo6b2o4b2ob3o
3b2o3bo10b2o3bobobo3bobo$7b2o2bo6bo3b2o2b3o6b4o5bo2bo2b3o2b2o$8bobo2b
3o2b2o3bobo2bo5bo6bobo3bo5b2o$8bo2b2o2b3o5bob2ob2o4bobo2bobobobob2o3b
o2b2o$7b2obo7b5obo3bob3o4bobobob2obo6bo3bo3b2o$6bo3b3o2b2o9b2ob4ob3o2b
2obo3bo7b2o2bo3bo$7b3o3bo2b2o2b6obo4b3o2b2o3bo3bob2ob3o2b2o3bo$10b2ob
2o12bobo4bobo2b3o3b2ob2obo2bobo4b4o$9bo2bo2b3ob4ob2ob2ob2ob2o2bo6bo8b
2obo2b2o3bo$7b3obo2bo2b8obo3b2o2b2obob3o2bo8bo2bobo2bo$6bo4bob2o14bo7b
obo2bob2o5b3o2bobobo$6b5obo14bo2bo3b2obobob2obo6b2o4b2o2bo$4b2o6bo14b
ob4o6bobo2b2ob3o2bobobo2bob2o$3bo2bobobob2o17b2ob2ob5o3bobo2bobobob4o
bobob2o$3b2obobobo2bo13b2o7bo4b2obo2bob2obob2o4bo2b2obo$6bo2bob2o8b2o
5bo12b2o4bo3bobo3bo2bobo$6b2obo3bo6bobo5bo19b2obo2bob2o3b2o$8bobob2o6b
obo4bo22bob2o$8bobobo7b2o10bo17bo$9bo2bo20bo15b2o$10b2o19b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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iNoMed wrote: July 27th, 2026, 3:33 am p78 glider gun reduced to 37x41 (1517-cell BB) achieved by heavily optimising the p3 catalyst in the previously posted p78 gun design into a much smaller size:
There is a lot of empty space above the p3 catalyst in this design. Might it be possible that a wider p3 could reduce guntrue_78 while still fitting into the red areas?

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x = 41, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
B19D16.2A$B19D16.A$B19D4.A12.A$B19D4.3A7.4A$B19D7.A6.A$B19D6.2A8.B3A$
B19D6.5B5.BA2.A$B19D8.9B2.2A$B17D2A2.AB3.10B$B17DA2.A.AB.12B$B17D.A.2A
16B$B11D2A6.A3.16B$B11D.A7.2A8B2A3B.3BA$BA.2A6.A10.A.7BABAB3.ABA$B2A.
A4.4A7.A4.7BAB5.2A$B7.A11.2A2.8B8.B$B3A4.A2B2A11.7B$E.A2.2A.A.B.A10.4B
.5B$E3.2A2.A.2A10.5B4.2A$.3A3.A.2AB9.4B6.A$4.B3A4.A7.BA2B8.3A$.3AB.A2B
2ABAB5.B2AB6.3A2.A$.A3.A3.3BA2.B3.2A2B5.A3.A$2.3A4.A2.5B3A4B.BA2.3A$E
.A6.2BA5B3A4B.B3A7.2A$EA5.3A.AB.2BA9B3.A6.A$6.A2.A.BA3B2A9B.A.A7.A$6.
3A.AB.3B2A8B.B3A6.2A$EA5.A.BA3.12B2.2A5.A$E2.B.B.2A5.5B2A5B2.B2A.BA2B
2A.A$.4AB2AB3.2AB.3BA6B4.A2BAB.A.2A$3.AB.A4.A.AB3.2B2A6B2.A2.A2B$.2A3.
A.A2.A4.5BAB2.B2A3.3A$E2.3A.A.A.A4.2A3.2B3.A6.B2A$EA3.A.A2.A6.A2.B2AB
3.3A3.3AB$6.2A6.3A3.A2BA5.A5.A.A$.12D.A6.2A13.2A!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: August 12th, 2026, 5:37 pm There is a lot of empty space above the p3 catalyst in this design. Might it be possible that a wider p3 could reduce guntrue_78 while still fitting into the red areas?
I'm pretty sure I tried that with LLS, and it came back impossible.

In other news, gun_19 reduced by one column with LLS (11286 -> 11187):

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x = 113, y = 99, rule = B3/S23
38b2o35b2o$38b2o9b2obo9bob2o9b2o$50bob3o5b3obo$46bobobo4bo3bo4bo2bo$
45bo2bobo3bobobobo3bobob2o$46bo2bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo$53bobo3bobo4b2o$47b2o
3b2ob2ob2obobo$51b2o7bob2o2b2o$47bo2bo3bob2obo2bob3o$48b2o2bobo3bobobo
2bobo7bo$11b2o9bo24bobob4obobobo6bo6b3o15bo9b2o$11b2o7b5o22b2obobo2bob
obo2bobo2b2o5bob2o12b5o7b2o$15b2o2bo5bo9bob2o8bo2bo4bo3bob2obo2b2o8bo
11bo5bo2b2o$11b5o2bobob3o11b3o8bo2bob2ob2o2bobo2bo2b2o8b3o10b2ob2obo2b
5o$10bo6b2obo12b2obobo8b2ob4o3bobo4bo2b2o23bobob2o6bo$10bobob3o2b2obo
24bobo4b2obob2o6bo24bo5b2ob2obo$11b2o4bobob2o8bobob2o11b3obo2bobo4bobo
3bo22b2o2bobo2bob2o$14bo2bobo2bo8b3o11bob2obob2o2bob2ob2obob2o12b3o8b
2o2bob2o$11b2obo2bobo2bo8b2obo9bo5bo7bo3bobob5o11bo8b2o2bo3b2ob2o$12bo
bo4bob2o20bo2bo2bob3o2bobo3bo2bo2bo2bo10b2obo5b2o2bobo2bobo$11bo2bobob
obobo20bob2o2bo3bo2b2o5bobo2b2obo11b3o6bo4bo2bo2bo$10bob2o2bo3b2o20b2o
bo4bobo11bo4bob2o11bo7bobo3bob3obo$11bo3bo2bobo2bo22bo2b2ob2o15bo23b3o
b2o3b2o$17bo29bo20b2o20b3obo2b2o$15bo2b2obob2o23b3ob2o37bob2obo$12bo3b
2o3b2o15b2obo2b2o4bob2o37bo5b2o2b2o$11bob3o2b4o16bob2o3bo46bo2b2o2b3ob
o$10bobo3b2o2bo21b3o10b2o40b3o2bobo$10bo2bo3bob2o3b2o13b2obo4b2o6b2o
32b2o3b2obo3bo2bo$11b2o4bobo4bo12bo2bobo6bo40bo4bobo4b2o$15b2o3b3obo
12b2o7bo43bob3o3b2o$15bo6bobob2o14bob2o41b2obobo6bo$17bo5bobo2bo15bob
2o38bo2bobo5bo$16b2o3bobobob2o15bobo39b2obo7b2o$20bob2obo9bobo5b2o2bo
18bo20bobo2bo$20bo4b2o9b2o8b2o18b3o18b3obobo$21b4o2b2o7bo32bo15b2obo2b
o2bo$26bo2bo31b2o5b2o4bo9bo2bo3b3obo$23b2o3bobo2bo26b2o12bobo8b2o6b2o$
22bo2b2obobo2bo19bo8bo11b2o$23bo3b2obo2bo18bobo$24b2o26bobo31bo4bo$26b
4ob2o20bo27b2o2bobob2obo3b2o$26bo2b2obo24b2o22bo2bobob3o2bobo2bob2o$
29bo3bo23bobo18b2obob2obobo3b2ob2obob2o$28bob3o26bo11b2o5bobobo3bo3bo
5bobo$26bo3bo12bobo13b2o10b2o7bo2b2o5b4obo2bo$26bo17b2o34b2obo2bo6bo2b
ob2o$27bo16bo6bo29bo2bobob3o3bobo2bo$20b2o27bobo15bo12bo2b2obob2ob2ob
2obo$21bo28b2o14bobob2o7bo5bobo9b2o$8b2ob2o2b2o4bobo14b2o26bobobobo2b
2obob4obo3bo2b4o3bo$4b2obobobo2bo2bo4b2o13bo2bo24b2obobobo3bobobo2bo3b
4o6b2obo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o10b3o7b2o14bobo9bo2b2ob4o2bobo6bobo8bobo$2bob
o3b4o4bo8b4o26b2o9bo4bo3bobo2b2o3bo2bob8o2b2o$2bo2b3o5b2o3bo6b3obo25bo
11b3o2bo2bo2b2o6b3o3b4o2bobo$b2o6bo2b3o2b4o20b2o27b2obobo4b4o4bo9bobo$
7bo2b2o4bo4bo19bo27bo2bobob4o3bo15bo$b4o4b2o2b2o3b2o2bo19b3o24b2obo3bo
3bo$bo3bo4bo2b2o2bo2b2o22bo27b2ob4obo$4bobobo3b4ob2o40bo12bo2bo2b2o10b
2o$3b2o3bob2o4bo32b2o6bobo13b2o14bobo$3b3o11bo3bo27bo8b2o4bo24bo$13b2o
4bob3o27bo13b2o22b3o2bo$19bo4bo6b2o14b5o12b2o26b2obo$20b3obo7bo13bo45b
2obo$10b2o10b2o8bobo12b3o44bo$8b2o2bo20b2o3bo11bo19bo27bo$7bo5bo23bob
2o6b4o17bobo26bob2o$2o5bo2b2o2bo22bo2bo6bo3b2o16b2o26bob2o$2o5b3ob2ob
2o22b3o7b3o2bo44bo2b3o7b2o$12bo2bo34bob2o49bo7b2o$12b2obo34bo22bobo25b
obo$13b2o34b2o23b2o25b2o$18b2o54bo15bo$17bob2o44b2o23b3o$17bo2bo20b2o
22b2o3bo8bo13bo$17b2ob2ob3o15bo27bobo8bo7b4obo14bo$18bo2b2o2bo12bo3b3o
25bobo5b3o7bo2b3obob4o7bo$19bo5bo11bobo4bo27bo20b2ob7obobo2bo$20bo2b2o
8b2o2bobo32b2o19b2o8b2obobo$11b2o8b2o9bobo3bo44bo7b2o9b2o3bo3bo$11bo
20bo51b2o4bo2b3ob4o2bo4b4o$5b2o6bo15bo3b5o45b2o6bo12b2o$6bo2b4obo3b2o
9b4o59b4o3b2ob3o5b2o$6bobo2bo2bo18bob4o55bo3b2o5b3o2bo$5b2obo2b2ob3o4b
2o8bobobo53bo6bo4b2obo3bobo$5bo4b3o2bob4o3bo5bobo3bo2bo47bobo5b2ob3o2b
ob2o2bo$7b2obo3bo3b2o2bo2bo3bobo5bobo48b2o5bo2bo2bobobob2o$8bo2bobo2bo
b2o2b2obo3bo8bo57b2o2b2ob2o$6bo3b2obobo5b2obo3b2o2bo$6b2o5bo2b2o8bo3b
3o59bobo$18bo3bo3b4o6b2o55b2o$6b2o2bob2o2b3obo9bob3o2bo55bo$6bobo2bo3b
2o2b2obo5bo2bo3b2o$8b2obo4bo4bo2bo3bo4b2o63bo$10bo5bo7bo4bo2bobo64bo$
16bo7bo4bobobo63b3o!
Wonder how much farther it'll go, and when we will get a true period one.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Reduction to guntrue_996 (2856 -> 2814) - a potential replacement for the p6 thumb might reduce it

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x = 67, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
62b2o$61bobo$41b2o18bo$41bo18b2o$42bo$41b2o17b4o$60bo2bo$28b2o32bo$28b
2o33b3o$55bo9bo$55b2o$7b2o32bo12bobo$7bobo30b2o11b3o9b2o$10bo2b2o26b2o
10b2o6b2obobo$8b2obo2bo38b2o6b2obo$7bobob2o38b3o11bo$8bo52b2ob2o$b2o59b
obo$2bo20bo38bobo$2bobo9b2o6bob2o37bo$3b2o9b2o6bob2ob2o$20b2o2b2ob2o$
21bobo13bo$21bob6o7bobo$11b2o4b2o3bo5bo7bobo$11bobo3bobo3b3o8b3ob2o$12b
o6bo5bo7bo13b3o$19b2o13b3ob2o6b2o11b2o$36bob2o6b2o11b2o$2o43b3o$o2bo40b
obo$b3o40b2o$35bo9bo$b3o3b2o26b3o$obo4b2o29bo$o3bo32bo2bo$b3obo31b4o$
3bobo$4bo34b2o$21bo17bo$22bo14bobo$20b3o14b2o!
EDIT: I feel it's a long shot, but a p2016 glider gun which is only 66 cells larger than the current one

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x = 53, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
9b2o5b2o$2bo6bo7bo6bo$bobo6b3ob3o6bobo$o3bo7bobo7bo3bo$bo3bo15bo3bo$2b
o3bo13bo3bo$3bo3bo11bo3bo$4bobo13bobo$5bo15bo2$12b3o$12bobo$6b2o4bobo
4b2o$5bobo4bobo4bobo$5bo6bobo6bo$4b2o6b3o6b2o2$43bo$12b3o28bobo$13bo28b
obo$13bo30bo3$39bo2b2o$38b7o$36bo3bo2bo2b2o$36bo3bo4bobo$36bo4b2o3bo$
37b2o4bo$13b2o24b2ob2o2bo4b2o$12bobo24b2obo3b2obo2bo$12bo32bobob3o$11b
2o32bobo$34b2o10bob2o$27bo6bo9bobobobo$28bo6b3o6b2o3bo$26b3o8bo!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Reduction of guntrue_935 (4080 -> 3819):

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x = 67, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
47b2o2bo2bo$47bo3b4o$48b3o4b2o$52b3o2bo$36bo9b4ob2obobo$34b3o9bo2b4obo
b2o7b2o$33bo20bo10bo$26bo6b2o19bo8bobo$25bobo25bo5b2ob3o$26bo21bo10bob
2o$46b2o12b2o$31b2o14b2o10b3o$31b2o5b2o21bo$38b2o11bo6bo6b2o$48b3o7bo
3b2o2bo$48b3o13b2o$21b2o36b2obo$21b2o19b2o18bob2o$41bobo17b2ob2o$36b2o
3bo$36bobob2o$38bobo$8b2o8bo19bobo14b4o$8b2o6b3o20bo14b6o$15bo37bob2o
3bo$2o13b2o34b3o4bob3o$bo48bo4bo2b2o3bo$bobo37bo8bob5o3bo2bo$2b2o35b2o
10bo4b2o3bob2o$7b2o31b2o10b3obo4bo2bo$7b2o22b2o21b2o3b2ob2o$31b2o24b2o
3bo$24bo35bobo$24b3o29bo3bob2o$4bo22bo29b2obo$3bobo20b2o31b2o$4bo55bob
2o$58bobobo$28b2o26bo3bo2bo$12b2o13bo2bo25bo4b2o$12b2o13b2ob2o26b3o$
28bobo25bo3bo$29bo8b2o16bobo$37b4o16bo$36bo4bo$35b2o4b2o$35b2o4b2o$36b
o4bo$37b4o$38b2o$26b2ob2o$22b2o3bob2o2b2o$22bo2bobo6bo$24b2ob7o$26bo
32bo$26bob4o28bo$27b2o2bo26b3o!
(Updated two sparkers and adjusted the glider loop, the old version was outdated)

guntrue_985 (5840 -> 5767):

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x = 78, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
48b2o$47bobo$41b2o4bo$39bo2bo2b2ob4o$39b2obobobobo2bo$42bobobobo$42bob
ob2o$43bo2$56b2o$47b2o7bo$47b2o5bobo$54b2o3$47b3o$47bo$48bo2$44b2o$18b
obo20bo3bo$18b2obo2b2o15b4o$21bo3bo$16b5ob3o16b2ob3o$15bo4bobo17bobobo
2bo$14bob3obobo13b2o2bobo3b2o$14bo3bob2o14bobobo2bo$7b2o3b2ob2o21bobob
2o$7bobobobobo21b2obo32b2o$9bobo3bo6bo17bob2o29bo$4b2o2bob2o3b2o4bobo
16bobo2bo29bo$3bobo2bo2bo8bo2bo11b2o4bo2b2o9b2o14b5o$2bo2bob2o12b2o11b
o2bo18bo13bo$3b3o29b2o4bo2b2o10bobo12b3o$6bob2o8b2o20bobo2bo11b2o15bo$
5bo2bob2o5bobo20bob2o27b4o$5b2o2b2o6bo19b2obo25b2o3bo3b2o$10bo5b2o4b2o
14bobob2o22b2o4b3o2bo$23bo12bobobo2bo30bob2o$20b3o6b2o5b2o2bobo31bo$9b
2o8bo9b2o9b2o31b2o$2o6bo2bo6bob3o$bo7b2o7bo3bo$bobo12bobo3bobo40b2o$2b
2o12b2o5b2o40bo$66b3o$26b3o39bo$26bo$27bo$41b2o$41bo$38b2obo$40bo$36bo
$8bo26bo2bo$7bobo25b3o$7bobo25b3o$8bo27bo$12b2o22bo$12bobo18bo2bo$14bo
17bo2bo$14bob2o13bo3bo$13b2obo14bo3b2o$16bo14b2o3bo5b2o$16bob2o13b3o6b
2o$15b2obo14b3o$18bo$18bobo$17b2ob3o7bob2o$23bo4b3obobobo$13bo8b2o3bo
4bob2obo$14bo12b2o3bo4bo$12b3o16b2o4b2o!
And gun_19 (10494 -> 10176):

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x = 106, y = 96, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$27b2o9b2obo$39bob3o$35b2o2bo4bo26b2obo5bo7bo$27b3o5b3obo3bobo24b
o3bobo3b3o4bobo4b2o$10b2o2bo11bo2bo5bo2bo3bo2bo24bobo8b4o8bo3bo$3b2ob
2o3b4o15bo6bo4bobo23b2o5b2o9bo2bo3bobo2bo$4bobo2bo15bo3b2o9bobob2o21bo
2b4o3bo6bo3b4obo3b2o$2b2o4b2ob2o11b2o3bo6b2o5bo2bo20b2o6b5o2b5o3bo$2bo
10bo11bobo11bobob4o25b3o6bob3ob4o6b2o$bo2bo2bob2o2bo10bo11bob3o2bo28bo
2b2o12bobob2o3bo$2b2o3b2ob4ob2o6bo3bo8bo3bo2bob2o19bo8bo2b2obo2b4o3bob
o2bo$4bo5b2obo2bo5bo7bo6bo3bo2bobo18bobo5bobo4b3o6bobo2bob2o$4bob3o5bo
7bo4b2obo3bo2b3ob2obo20b2obo3bobo6bo11b2obo2bo$9bob3o7b3o2bo3bo3bo2b3o
b2obo21bo2bobobo8b8obo3b2ob2o$3bo3bo2b2o10b2o13bo6b2o20b4obo12b4o2bo2b
o2bobo$5obobo2bo24bo3bo2bo2bo25b4o14bob4o2bo$4bobo3bo13b2o9bob2o2bo2bo
bo21b4o3bo15bo6b2o$4b2o2b3o2bo3bo3bo2b3o10bobob2ob2o21b2o3bo20bo$3bo4b
3o2bo3bob2o4bo7b2o4bo2bo23bob3obo19b2o$3b2o5bo6bo7bo6bo5b2o2bob2o19bob
o2b2o$2bo4bo3bo8bo3bo6bobob2o6bobo19bobo$3bobob3obo11bo7bobo3b3o26bo
18b3o$8bo11bobo6b2o2bob2o3bo44bo$3o4bo2bo7bo3b2o6bobobobo2b2o44b2o$8b
2o7b2o3bo6bo2bo$5b2o10bo10bob2obo$2bo2bo12bo2bo7bo5bo$bobobobo10b3o5bo
7b2o32bo$4bobobob2ob2o10bobo13b3o22b2o22b2o$2bo3bobob2obo11bobo2b2o2bo
6bobo23b2o22bo11b2o$2b2o2bobo4bo12b2obob4o5bo2bo45b3o11b2o$bo6bo4bob2o
12bobo9b2o9bo$2b3ob2o3b2obo2bo11bobobobo16b3o$10bobobob2o12bobob2o19bo
26bo$4o6b2ob2o17bo21bo27b3o$o7b2o4bo16b2o21bo3bo26bo$bobo3bo2b3o3b2o2b
2o37bo22b2obo14bo$2obobo2b2o4bobobo2bo18bo13bo5bo19bo2b3obob4o7bo$o2bo
b2obo3bob2o2b2o19bobo11bo3bo3bo18b2o3b2ob7obobo2bo$2b2obo2bo3bo4bo21bo
bo11bo2bobo2bo23b2o8b2obobo$6b2o6b2obo5bob2o4bo8bo12bo3bo3bo21b2o9b2o
3bo3bo$11bob2obo5b2o3bo4b2o10b2o8bo5bo3b2o16bo2b3ob4o2bo4b4o$10b2o11bo
4bo2b2o11bobo8bo3bo4bobo16bo12b2o$24b2ob2o17bo9b3o7bo17b4o3b2ob3o5b2o$
4b2o18bo2bo18b2o18b2o18bo3b2o5b3o2bo$5bo17bo2bo10bo25b2obo21bo4b2obo3b
obo$5bobo15bo2bo8bobo15bo8bobobo10b2o8b2ob3o2bob2o2bo$6b2o15b2o11b2o
14bobob2o4bobob2o9b2o8bo2bo2bobobob2o$52bobobobo2b2obobo21b2o2b2ob2o$
9b2o40b2obobobo5bobobobo$9b2o5bo13bo21bo2b2ob4ob2obobo2bo$15b2o8b2o3b
3o19bo4bo3bobo3bo2bo20bo2b2o$15bobo7bo7bo5bo13b3o2bo2bobo27b4o3b2ob2o$
26b3o3bo7b2o13b2ob4ob2o3b2o26bo2bobobo$29bobob3o3b2o5bo10bo6b2o27bob3o
4b2o$28b2obobo2bo10bo9bob2obo3bo2bo22bobo8b2o$32bo2b2o8b3o8b2obo2bobo
2b2o6bo16bo2b2obo5bo$32bobo2b2o21bob4obobo3b2ob3o10b2obo4b2o2b3o$29b2o
bob2obo23bo2bobob2o4b3obobo8bo2bo2bo3b3o$29bo2bo2bobo12bo8bobo4bo2bo4b
2o4b2o3bo5bo4b3obo$30b2obobo2b2o11b2o5bob2ob2obo2bo5b2o4b3o2b2o4b3obo
2bo$33bob3o2bo9b2o6bo4b4ob2o6b2o7b2o9b3o2b2obo$33bo4bobo18bob2o4bobo7b
2o6b2o7bobo2bobob2o$32b2o3b2obob2o16b2o2bob3o8b2o7b2o6b2obobo3b2o$37bo
2bobo20b2obob2obo4b2o2b3o4b2o5bo2b2ob3o$39b2obo2b2o17bobo5bo5bo3b2o4b
2o4bo2bo2bobo$34bob2o4bobo2bo6bo9bo2bo2bo2bo9bobob3o4b2obo3b3o$26b3o7b
5obob2obo7bo9bobo2b2obo11b3ob2o3bobob2o3bo$10b2o14bo2bo3b2o9bobob2o3b
3o10bo4bob2o13bo6b2ob2o$10bo15bo2bo8b2o5b2obobo8bobo7bo25bo3bo3b2o$7bo
4bob2o11bo2bo4bob3o2b2o4bobo9b2o7b2o27bo5bo$6bobo2b2obo11b2o2bo4bo3bob
4obobob2o8bo35b4o4bo$5bo2bo5bo9b3o2bo6bo3bo2bo3bo4bo46b2o$5bobo4b2o9b
2o3bo4bo2b3ob4ob2o2b4o12bo34bo$4b2obobo13bo2b2o5bo2b3obobo3b3o2bo14bo
31bobo2b2o$b2o2bo2b2obo12b3o9bo3bo5bob2obo12b3o24b2o3b3obob3o$ob2o2bo
3bo24bo2bobob2o7b2o39bo2bo3bobo2b2o$o8bo9b3o13bobobobo3b2o2bob2o39bobo
bo2bob2o$b2ob2ob3o2bo5b2o2bo10b5obo2b3o4bo4bo27bobo4b2obo2bo2b2obob3o$
2bob2ob3o2bo4bo3b2o9bo5bob2o2bo5b2ob2o27b2o4bo2bob2o6bobobo$obo2bo3bo
6bo2b3o11b4obo2bo2b2o4bo4bo27bo4b2obo9bob2o$2obo2bo3bo4bo2b2o15bobobob
obobo10bo10bobo21bob2o7bo$3bo2b3obo4bo2bo19b2obob2obob3o2bo2bo11b2o20b
2obobo4bobo$4obobo8bo2bo20bobo2bo2b2o18bo6bo11b2obo2bo2bo3b2o$o2bo5b2o
5bo2bo20bob3o2b3o3b3o17bobo10bo2bo2bob2obo$b2obobo10b3o19b2obob3o2bo4b
3o17b2o11b2o7bo$2bobo4bo32bo4b3o5bo$bo2bo3bo2bo30b5o7bobo$bobo3bob3o
35bo5bob2o21bobo$2bo4bo2b2o32b3o6bo14b2o9b2o$3b3obo36bo7b2o14b2o3bo5bo
$5bob2o9b2o52bobo$18b2o53bobo8bo$75bo9bo$75b2o6b3o!
Four of the catalysts are doing triple duty now.

Also, the catagolue queue seems to be stuck again, anyone know why?
Engineering macro-spaceships is hard.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

ElijahKen wrote: September 7th, 2026, 7:20 pm Reduction of guntrue_935 (4080 -> 3819): (Updated two sparkers and adjusted the glider loop, the old version was outdated)
...
Also, the catagolue queue seems to be stuck again, anyone know why?
I don't know, but it's been stuck for a while (EDIT: yes, it is stuck still)

Anyways, some more 55n reductions currently using the older gun

guntrue_1815 (4200 -> 3710) - same with guntrue_3630 (EDIT: See below)

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x = 70, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
53b2o$52bo2bo12b2o$53b2o13bo$40b2o24bobo$36b2o3bo24b2o$36bo2bo8bo12bo
$34b2o2b3o6bobo10bobo$33bo2b2o8b2o13bo$33bobo2b3o5b2o18b2o$34bob2o2bo
25bobo$32bobo3b2o28bo$32b2ob2o31b2o$35bo$32b2o2bo$20b3o9bob2o24b2o$55b
2o4bo$19bo3bo4b2o25b2o3bo$19bo3bo3bo2bo28bo$30bo24b5obo$20b3o3b4o16bo
8bo4bobo$27bo17bobo9bo2bobo$27bo17bobo8b2o3bo$20b3o3b4o16bo$30bo19b2o
$19bo3bo3bo2bo19bobo$19bo3bo4b2o22bo$52b2o$20b3o3$21bo$19b3o$18bo$18b
2o3$3b2o7bo$b3obo5bobo7b2o$o4bo5bobo8b2o$b3ob2o5bo8bo$3bo2bo9b2o9b2o$
5b2o8bo2bo7bo2bo$4b3o7b3o9bobobo$4bo4bo5bo2bo6b2obobo$3bob4o7b2o6bo3b
ob2o$4bo12bo5b3ob2o2bo$6bo16b3o2b3o3bo4b2ob2o$5b2o16b2o4bo2bo2bo8bo$14b
2o7b2ob2o4bo2bo2bo2bobo$9b2obo4bo6bo2bo3bo4bo4bo$9bob2o4bo7b2obo2bob7o
b2o$10b4o5bo6bo2b2o9bo$9b2o4bob3o6bo4b4o2b2obo$8b2o5bo11b3obo2bo2bobo
29bo$9bo6bob2o9b2o36bobo$6b3o5bobob2o48b2o$6bo7b2o!
guntrue_1870 (4488 -> 4288)

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x = 67, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
47b2o2bo2bo$47bo3b4o$48b3o4b2o$52bobo2bo$36bo9b4o4bobo$34b3o9bo2bo2bo
bob2o7b2o$33bo16b2o2bo10bo$26bo6b2o18b2o7b2obo$25bobo31b2o3bo$26bo32b
o$47b2o$31b2o13bo2bo9bo2bo$31b2o5b2o7b2o10bobo$38b2o11b3o8bo2b2o$63bo
2bo$50bobob2o3bob2ob2o$21b2o27bobob2o5bo$21b2o19b2o10bo5bobob2o$41bob
o17b2ob2o$36b2o3bo$36bobob2o5bo$38bobo6bobo6b2o$8b2o8bo19bobo6b2o5bo4b
o$8b2o6b3o20bo19bo$15bo37bo6bo$2o13b2o34b3ob4ob3o$bo48bo4b4o4bo$bobo46b
ob3o3b3o2bo$2b2o47bo5bo2b2ob2o$7b2o43b3ob2o3bo2bo$7b2o22b2o21b7ob2o$31b
2o25bobobo$24bo32bobo2bo$24b3o30bo2bob2o$4bo22bo5bobo21b2obo$3bobo20b
2o5b2o23bobo$4bo29bo25bob2o$20b3o37bobo$20bo12bo23bob2o2bo$12b2o7bo10b
obo22bo3b2o$12b2o18bobo22bob2o$33bo24bobo$37bo2bo15bo$37bo2bo16bo$35b
2ob2ob2o$26b3o8bo2bo$29bo7bo2bo$26bobo6b2ob2ob2o$28bo8bo2bo5bo$26bobo
8bo2bo4bobo$28b2o15bobo$22b2o5bo3b2o7b2obob2o$22bo2bobo6bo7bob2o3bo$24b
2ob7o12bob2o$26bo19bo2bo$26bob4o15b2ob2obo$27b2o2bo16bobobobo$43b2obo
3bo$43bob2obob2o$47bobo4bo$47bobob4o$48b2obo14bo$52b3o9bobo$54bo10b2o
!
guntrue_2805 (4624 -> 4424)

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x = 67, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
47b2o2bo2bo$47bo3b4o$48b3o4b2o$52bobo2bo$36bo9b4o4bobo$34b3o9bo2bo2bo
bob2o7b2o$33bo16b2o2bo10bo$26bo6b2o18b2o7b2obo$25bobo31b2o3bo$26bo32b
o$47b2o$31b2o13bo2bo9bo2bo$31b2o5b2o7b2o10bobo$38b2o11b3o8bo2b2o$63bo
2bo$50bobob2o3bob2ob2o$21b2o27bobob2o5bo$21b2o19b2o10bo5bobob2o$41bob
o17b2ob2o$36b2o3bo$36bobob2o5bo$38bobo6bobo6b2o$8b2o8bo19bobo6b2o5bo4b
o$8b2o6b3o20bo19bo$15bo37bo6bo$2o13b2o34b3ob4ob3o$bo48bo4b4o4bo$bobo46b
ob3o3b3o2bo$2b2o47bo5bo2b2ob2o$7b2o43b3ob2o3bo2bo$7b2o22b2o21b7ob2o$31b
2o25bobobo$24bo32bobo2bo$24b3o30bo2bob2o$4bo22bo5bobo21b2obo$3bobo20b
2o5b2o23bobo$4bo29bo25bob2o$20b3o37bobo$20bo12bo23bob2o2bo$12b2o7bo10b
obo22bo3b2o$12b2o18bobo22bob2o$33bo24bobo$37bo2bo15bo$37bo2bo16bo$35b
2ob2ob2o$26b3o8bo2bo$29bo7bo2bo$26bobo6b2ob2ob2o$28bo8bo2bo$26bobo8bo
2bo$28b2o$22b2o5bo3b2o15bo$22bo2bobo6bo15bo$24b2ob7o9bo5b3o$26bo16bo5b
3o$26bob4o10bobo4b3o$27b2o2bo11bo6bo$43bo$43bo$43bo6bo$42bobo4b3o$43b
o5b3o14bo$43bo5b3o12bobo$50bo14b2o$50bo!
EDIT: There is probably a better way to do this guntrue_5445 (no entry yet, a 1 more row tuck would surpass guntrue_7260, which relies on a similar mechanism)

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x = 71, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$b2o12bo2bo$2bo13b2o$2bobo24b2o$3b2o24bo3b2o$9bo21bo2bo$8bobo19b
3o2b2o$9bo23b2o2bo$3b2o25b3o2bobo$2bobo25bo2b2obo$2bo28b2o3bobo$b2o31b
2ob2o$35bo$34bo2b2o$9b2o24b2obo$9bo4b2o$10bo3b2o33bo$11bo30bo5b3o$9bo
b5o25b3o3b2ob2o$8bobo4bo8bo21b3ob3o$8bobo2bo9bobo15b3o2b3ob3o$9bo3b2o
8bobo15b3o2b3ob3o$24bo21b3ob3o$19b2o20b3o3b2ob2o$18bobo21bo5b3o$18bo30b
o$17b2o3$11bo$11b3o35bo$14bo34b3o$13b2o37bo$51b2o$4b2o40bo$3bobo39b2o
$3bo41bobo10bo7b2o$2obo53bobo5bob3o$bobob2o50bobo5bo4bo$bobob2o51bo5b
2ob3o$2obo7b2o29b2o20bo2bo$o2b4o3bo2bo7b2o18bo2bo19b2o$b2o3bo4b2o8bob
o16bobobo7bo11b3o$3b2o18bo16bobob2o5b3o7bo4bo$3bo19b2o14b2obo3bo3b2ob
2o7b4obo$5bo33bo2b2ob3o3b5o10bo$4b2o21b2ob2o4bo3b3o2b3o16bo$26bo8bo2b
o2bo4b2o16b2o$27bobo2bo2bo2bo4b2ob2o7b2o$29bo4bo4bo3bo2bo6bo4bob2o$28b
2ob7obo2bob2o7bo4b2obo$30bo9b2o2bo6bo5b4o$30bob2o2b4o4bo6b3obo4b2o$31b
obo2bo2bob3o11bo5b2o$27bo12b2o9b2obo6bo$28bo22b2obobo5b3o$26b3o26b2o7b
o!
EDIT 2:
ElijahKen wrote: September 7th, 2026, 7:20 pm guntrue_985 (5840 -> 5767):
Small stator reduction

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x = 78, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
48b2o$47bobo$41b2o4bo$39bo2bo2b2ob4o$39b2obobobobo2bo$42bobobobo$42bo
bob2o$43bo2$56b2o$47b2o7bo$47b2o5bobo$54b2o3$47b3o$47bo$48bo2$44b2o$18b
obo20bo3bo$18b2obo2b2o15b4o$21bo3bo$16b5ob3o16b2ob3o$15bo4bobo17bobob
o2bo$14bob3obobo13b2o2bobo3b2o$14bo3bob2o14bobobo2bo$7b2o3b2ob2o21bob
ob2o$7bobobobobo21b2obo32b2o$9bobo3bo6bo17bob2o29bo$4b2o2bob2o3b2o4bo
bo16bobo2bo29bo$3bobo2bo2bo8bo2bo11b2o4bo2b2o9b2o14b5o$2bo2bob2o12b2o
11bo2bo18bo13bo$3b3o29b2o4bo2b2o10bobo12b3o$6bob2o8b2o20bobo2bo11b2o15b
o$5bo2bob2o5bobo20bob2o27b4o$5b2o2b2o6bo19b2obo25b2o3bo3b2o$10bo5b2o4b
2o14bobob2o22b2o4b3o2bo$23bo12bobobo2bo30bob2o$20b3o6b2o5b2o2bobo31bo
$9b2o8bo9b2o9b2o31b2o$2o6bo2bo6bob3o$bo7b2o7bo3bo$bobo12bobo3bobo40b2o
$2b2o12b2o5b2o40bo$66b3o$26b3o39bo$26bo$27bo$41b2o$41bo$38b2obo$40bo$
36bo$8bo26bo2bo$7bobo25b3o$7bobo25b3o$8bo27bo$12b2o22bo$12bobo18bo2bo
$14bo17bo2bo$14bob2o13bo3bo$13b2obo14bo3b2o$16bo14b2o3bo5b2o$16bob2o13b
3o6b2o$15b2obo14b3o$18bo$18bobo$17b2ob3o4b2obob2o$23bo3bob2obobobo$13b
o8b2o8bob2obo$14bo17bo4bo$12b3o16b2o4b2o!
Last edited by WhiteHawk on September 8th, 2026, 4:35 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Jormungant
Posts: 853
Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am

Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Jormungant »

well, shrunk that p1815... I did find another still life that allows the output glider to be on a transparent lane, and here that means 1 row and column less:

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x = 83, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
4$59.2A$58.A2.A12.2A$59.2A13.A$46.2A24.A.A$42.2A3.A24.2A$42.A2.A8.A
12.A$40.2A2.3A6.A.A10.A.A$39.A2.2A3.B4.2A13.A$39.A.A2.3AB4.2A18.2A$
37.2A.A.2AB.AB24.A.A$37.A2.A3.2A2B26.A$38.2A.2A5B26.2A$39.A.A.B.3B$
27.3A9.A2.A$40.2A24.2A$26.A3.A4.2A24.2A4.A$26.A3.A3.A2.A23.2A3.A$37.A
27.A$27.3A3.4A24.5A.A$34.A17.A8.A4.A.A$34.A16.A.A9.A2.A.A$27.3A3.4A
14.A.A8.2A3.A$37.A14.A$26.A3.A3.A2.A18.2A$26.A3.A4.2A19.A.A$58.A$27.
3A28.2A3$28.A$26.3A$25.A$25.2A3$10.2A7.A$8.3A.A5.A.A7.2A$7.A4.A5.A.A
8.2A$8.3A.2A5.A8.A$10.A2.A9.2A9.2A$12.2A8.A2.A7.A2.A$11.3A7.3A9.A.A.A
$11.A4.A5.A2.A6.2A.A.A$10.A.4A7.2A6.A3.A.2A$11.A12.A5.3A.2A2.A$13.A
16.3A2.3A3.A4.2A.2A$12.2A16.2A4.A2.A2.A8.A$21.2A7.2A.2A4.A2.A2.A2.A.A
$16.2A.A4.A6.A2.A3.A4.A4.A$16.A.2A4.A7.2A.A2.A.7A.2A$17.4A5.A6.A2.2A
9.A$16.2A4.A.3A6.A4.4A2.2A.A$15.2A5.A11.3A.A2.A2.A.A29.A$16.A6.A.2A9.
2A36.A.A$13.3A5.A.A.2A48.2A$13.A7.2A!
Jormungant
Posts: 853
Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am

Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Jormungant »

Jormungant wrote: September 8th, 2026, 3:28 am well, shrunk that p1815... I did find another still life that allows the output glider to be on a transparent lane, and here that means 1 row and column less:

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x = 83, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
4$59.2A$58.A2.A12.2A$59.2A13.A$46.2A24.A.A$42.2A3.A24.2A$42.A2.A8.A
12.A$40.2A2.3A6.A.A10.A.A$39.A2.2A3.B4.2A13.A$39.A.A2.3AB4.2A18.2A$
37.2A.A.2AB.AB24.A.A$37.A2.A3.2A2B26.A$38.2A.2A5B26.2A$39.A.A.B.3B$
27.3A9.A2.A$40.2A24.2A$26.A3.A4.2A24.2A4.A$26.A3.A3.A2.A23.2A3.A$37.A
27.A$27.3A3.4A24.5A.A$34.A17.A8.A4.A.A$34.A16.A.A9.A2.A.A$27.3A3.4A
14.A.A8.2A3.A$37.A14.A$26.A3.A3.A2.A18.2A$26.A3.A4.2A19.A.A$58.A$27.
3A28.2A3$28.A$26.3A$25.A$25.2A3$10.2A7.A$8.3A.A5.A.A7.2A$7.A4.A5.A.A
8.2A$8.3A.2A5.A8.A$10.A2.A9.2A9.2A$12.2A8.A2.A7.A2.A$11.3A7.3A9.A.A.A
$11.A4.A5.A2.A6.2A.A.A$10.A.4A7.2A6.A3.A.2A$11.A12.A5.3A.2A2.A$13.A
16.3A2.3A3.A4.2A.2A$12.2A16.2A4.A2.A2.A8.A$21.2A7.2A.2A4.A2.A2.A2.A.A
$16.2A.A4.A6.A2.A3.A4.A4.A$16.A.2A4.A7.2A.A2.A.7A.2A$17.4A5.A6.A2.2A
9.A$16.2A4.A.3A6.A4.4A2.2A.A$15.2A5.A11.3A.A2.A2.A.A29.A$16.A6.A.2A9.
2A36.A.A$13.3A5.A.A.2A48.2A$13.A7.2A!
Addendum:
Actually, it can be shrunk by a lot more... 47x65 = 3055

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x = 47, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory
8.A9.A$8.3A5.3A$11.A3.A$10.2A.B.2A$10.7B$12.3B$10.7B$9.4BA4B8.2A$9.3B
ABA3B3.2A2.A2.A$10.3BA3B4.A.A2.2A$10.7B5.B.2A$9.9B3.2B2.A$7.17B.A.2A$
7.15B2A.A2.A$6.2BA13B2A.2A19.B$7.ABA11B.B22.2B$6.BABA11B12.A10.3B$7.B
A12B10.3A9.4B$9.13B8.A11.4B$11.14B5.2A9.4B$11.2B2A17B8.4B$11.BA2BA14B
9.4B$12.B2A12B2A2B7.4B$13.13BA2BA2B5.4B$16.11B2A3B4.4B$16.18B.4B$16.
22B$14.8B.14B$10.2A2.6B4.8BA3B$10.A2.A.2A3B5.7B2AB$12.2A.A.A2B6.5BABA
$13.A.ABAB8.6B8.2A$11.A2.A.A.2B3.2A3.4B9.A$11.2A.A.A.A.A2.A5.4B.2B7.A
$13.A.A2.2A.A.A5.7B6.2A$13.A2.2A3.A.A.AB.10B.BAB2.2A$14.2A2.3A.A.2AB.
12B4A2.A$16.A3.A.A3.3B2D10B2.A.2A$16.3A3.A3.2BDBD2B2A5B2A.A.A$19.3A4.
4BD2B2A3B.B2A.A.A$18.A7.11B3.B.BA.2A$18.2A5.8B.B8.A$15.5B4.9B8.A.A$
12.2A4B5.4B2.3B9.2A$3.2A6.4B3A2B2.4B3.5B$.3A.A4.A4BA2B2ABA3B7.2A$A4.A
3.BA2BA4B5AB8.A$.3A.2A2.BA2BA2B4AB2A10.3A$3.2A.BAB3.2A5B2AB5.2A6.A$5.
B3A3.2B2AB2AB6.A2.A$4.2B3AB3.BABABA2B5.A.A.A$3.BA3.AB4.8B3.2A.A.A$3.A
.4A5.B3A4B.2BA2.A.2A$4.A10.10B4AB.AB$6.A9.4B.4B2A2B2AB2.A4.BA.AB$5.2A
8.3B4.3BA2B.4BA2BA2.2AB2AB$10.B3.2B7.2B2A2B2.2BA2BA.BA.2BA$9.3A6B5.AB
2.AB2.B.A2.B2.A.A$9.9AB5.ABA.2A2B8A.2A$10.4B.BAB.A6.A.3A9.A$8.3B.BA4B
2A6.A4.4A2.2A.A$8.2A4.ABA10.3A.A2.A2.A.A$9.A6.A.2A9.2A$6.3A5.A.A.2A$
6.A7.2A!
Or even better: 46 x 64 = 2944

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x = 64, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
18.A$17.A.A$17.A.A$12.2A2.2A.2A$11.A2.A5.A$9.A2.A4.3A$2A7.2A.A.A2.A
29.2A$.A10.A2.2A29.A2.A12.2A$.A.2A7.2A33.2A13.A$2.A3.2A17.2A7.2A24.A.
A$7.A17.A.A2.2A3.A24.2A$17.3A7.A2.A2.A8.A12.A$4.A2.A8.A9.A.2A2.3A6.A.
A10.A.A$5.A.A8.A.A6.A.A2.2A9.A.A11.A$2A2.A11.A8.A.A.A2.3A7.A17.2A$A2.
A13.2A7.A.A.2A2.A25.A.A$.2A.2A.A10.A9.A3.2A28.A$5.A21.A.2A31.2A$.2A.A
.A16.2A2.A.A$.2A.2A17.A.A.A2.A$25.A2.2A24.2A$25.3A21.2A4.A$9.2A17.4A
17.2A3.A$7.A4.A14.A3.A21.A$7.A19.2A20.5A.A$6.A6.A26.A8.A4.A.A$4.3A.4A
.3A23.A.A9.A2.A.A$3.A4.4A4.A7.A14.A.A8.2A3.A$3.A2.3A3.3A.A8.2A13.A$2.
2A.2A2.A5.A8.2A18.2A$2.A2.A3.2A.3A29.A.A$3.2A.7A4.2A27.A$4.A.A.A7.A.A
5.2A20.2A$4.A2.A.A6.A7.2A$3.2A.A2.A5.2A$6.A.2A$6.A.A$3.2A.A34.A$4.A.A
35.A$3.A2.2A.A14.2A.2A11.3A$4.2A3.A10.2A2.2A.A3.2A$6.2A.A10.A6.A.A2.A
$6.A.A12.7A.2A$10.A17.A$9.A13.4A.A$23.A2.2A!


Last edited by Jormungant on September 8th, 2026, 11:57 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Jormungant wrote: September 8th, 2026, 11:47 pm
Jormungant wrote: September 8th, 2026, 3:28 am well, shrunk that p1815... I did find another still life that allows the output glider to be on a transparent lane, and here that means 1 row and column less:
Addendum:
Actually, it can be shrunk by a lot more... 47x65 = 3055
Forum Rule 3A - Don't doublepost without good reason (EDIT: also your 2nd RLE in post 2 could also have just been a replacement of the 1st).

Also fixed orientation and switched to plain RLE (no need for gun LV to be in history, since it can't be uploaded to Catagolue in that form) - gliders in guns also need to be pointed SE & at be at the edge of the Bounding Box (also preferably long side horizontal, but less strict as a rule)

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x = 64, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
18bo$17bobo$17bobo$12bo3b2ob2o$11bob2o5bo$9bo2bob2ob3o$2o7b2obob4o29b
2o$bo10bo33bo2bo12b2o$bobo8bo34b2o13bo$2b3ob2o5bo3bo7b2o7b2o24bobo$4b
2obo10b2o5bobo2b2o3bo24b2o$5b2o10b2o8bo2bo2bo8bo12bo$5b3o8bobo7bob2o2b
3o6bobo10bobo$5bo13bo5bobo2b2o9bobo11bo$2o6bo5bo5bo4bobobo2b3o7bo17b2o
$o2b2o3bo4bo12bobob2o2bo25bobo$b2o11bo2b2o2bo6bo3b2o28bo$4bob2o5bo6bo
6bob2o31b2o$b2obo9b3o6b2o2bobo$b2ob2o9bo7bobobo2bo$25bo2b2o24b2o$16b3o
6b3o21b2o4bo$18bo9b4o17b2o3bo$8b4o15bo3bo21bo$7b6o14b2o20b5obo$6bo3b2o
bo26bo8bo4bobo$4b3obo4b3o23bobo9bo2bobo$3bo3b2o2bo4bo22bobo8b2o3bo$3b
o2bo3b5obo23bo$2b2obo3b2o4bo14b2o12b2o$2bo2bo4bob3o11bo2b2o13bobo$3b2o
b2o3b2o4b2o7b4o16bo$4bo3b2o6bobo8b2o17b2o$4bobo9bo7b2ob2o$3b2obo3bo4b
2o7b3o$6bob2o$6b2o$3b2obo$4bobobo$3bo2bo3bo13b2ob2o$4b2o4bo9b2o2b2obo
3b2o$6b3o11bo6bobo2bo$6bo3bo10b7ob2o$8bobo17bo18bo$9bo13b4obo19bo$23b
o2b2o18b3o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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