ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 3:36 pm
I agree that it is fine, but I was unable to find one. It is just harder to search for. (Edit: And I'm pretty sure it's impossible in this case.)
Finding/searching for p3 eater welds is probably one of my favorite things to do.
And here is the other p3 eater "weld" for this gun (newly discovered AFAIK) (4446):
Wow! That is a really great reduction (too bad it doesn't reduce
guntrue_1002 too, though I guess it's better for population)
I bet a lot of guns could use that reduction to the period-3 eater in terms of bounding box. Wish that population reduction fix would also be admitted to catagolue's algorithm.
EDIT: Proof of concept
guntrue_477 (4180 -> 4104). I guess I challenge you to also find a p3 weld for that first bumper
Code:
Select all
x = 76, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
64b2o$64b2o2$74b2o$74bo$72bobo$72b2o$56b2o$46b2o8b2o$47bo$47bobo22b2o
$25b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$9b2o14bo17bo30bo$9b2o12bobo18bo29b2o$23b2o18b2o
$9b4o$9bo3bo56b2o$12bo57b2o$12bobo$13b2o$9b2o29b2o$9bo30b2o$7bobo$7b2o
$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o3$6b2o43b2o$5bo2bo43bo$6bobo40b3o$7bo41bo23b2o$73b2o$
60b2o$6bo48b2o2bo2bo$b2o3bo45bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo2b3obo42bobobo5bo8bobob
2o$2b3o4b2o41bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$5bo2bo46bo2bo9b2o$bob2o2bobobo13b2o11b
o17bo4bo$b2obob2obo2b2o12b2o8b3o18b5o$4bo2bobo3bobo9bo9bo$4b2o2bo7bo18b
2o22bo$15b2o4b2o11b2o22bobo$9bo10b3o10b2o24bo$4b2o3bobo8bo2bo6bo3bo$4b
o2bo5b2o5b2obo4b3ob3o$5b6ob3o6b2o10bo$10bobo2bo12b6o$7b2obobo2bo2b2o8b
2obo23bo$7b2obobo2bo3bo7b2o27bo$11bo5b2o35b3o!
EDIT 2:
guntrue_1035 also reduced (3850 -> 3780)
Code:
Select all
x = 70, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
8b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$7bo2bobobo2bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$7b2obobo3b2o7b2obob
2obo4bobo$8bobo22b5obo$8bob4o15b2obo4bo$6b3o20b2obobo3bo$7b2o24bobo3b
o15b2o$6bobo25bo3b2o15bo$3b3obo45bobo$49b2o2b2o$49b2o2$26b2o$26b2o$11b
2o48b2o$10bo2bo47b2o$9bob2o$9bo55b2o$8b2o55b2o$3b2o18b2o$4bo18bo$2bo21b
3o$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o$7bo13bo2bo11bobo$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo$3bo15b2o14b2o
32bo$3b4o60bobo$b2o3bo3b2o47b2o7b2o$o2b3o4b2o48bo$2obo53b3o$3bo45b2o6b
o$3b2o22bo21b2o$27b3o$30bo$11b2o16b2o$12bo$9b3o$9bo22bobo$32b2o$33bo2$
39b2o$32b2o5bobo$32b2o7bo$41b2o2$28bo$27bobob2o$27bobobobo$24b2obobob
obo2bo$24bo2bo2b2ob4o$26b2o4bo$32bobo$33b2o!
guntrue_1062 reduced (3913 -> 3870) (EDIT 12/14: reduced even further to 3822)
Code:
Select all
x = 91, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
23b2o2bo$22bob4o$22bo$20b2ob7o23bo$18bo2bobo6bo21bobo$18b2o3bob2o2b2o
19b3obo$22b2ob2o22bo4bob2o$49bobobobobo$44b2o4b2obobo$45bo8bobo9b2o$23b
o21bobo7bo10b2o$22bobo9b2o10b2o$22bobo9bo$7b2o14bo8bobo14bo$7bobo22b2o
15bobo7bo$10bo2b2o34b2o8b3o22bo$8b2obo2bo41b3o3b2o6bob2o8b3o$7bobob2o
21bo20b3obobob2o5b2obo7bo$8bo25b3o18bo5bo3bo15b2o$b2o34bo22b5o$2bo33b
2o23bobo$2bobo9b2o6b2o28b2o8bo4b2o$3b2o9b2o7bo17bo9b3o2bobo7bo2bo9bo$
20b3o19bo9b2o2bo2bo6bobo8bo2bob4o$20bo14b2o2bo2b2o12bobo8bo10bo6bo$34b
3obobob3o12bo16bo3bo5bo$11b2o4b2o16b2o2bo2b2o29b2o8bo$11bobo3bobo16bo
5bo3b2o5b2o18b2ob2o2b2o$12bo6bo17b5o4bobo5bo7bob2o8bo$19b2o17b3o7bo2b
3o8b2obo8b3o$39bo8bobo22b5o$2o45b2ob2o15b2ob3o4b2o10b2o$o2bo63b2ob2o17b
2o$b3o62b2ob3o$66b3o$b3o3b2o27b2ob2o26bobo10bo$obo4b2o23b2o3bob2o2b2o
23b2o9bobo$o3bo27bo2bobo6bo35bobob2o$b3obo28b2ob7o34bobobobobo$3bobo13b
o16bo40bobobo4bo$4bo15bo15bob4o35bobobob3o$18b3o16b2o2bo36bo3b2o!
guntrue_1077 reduced below 6000 (6438 -> 5985) - also worked on
guntrue_1101
Code:
Select all
x = 95, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
44b2o$43bobo$37b2o4bo$35bo2bo2b2ob4o$35b2obobobobo2bo$38bobobobo17bo$
38bobob2o18b3o11b2o$39bo25bo10b2o$34bo29b2o$32b3o17b2o$31bo11b2o7bo$30b
obo10b2o5bobo$30bobo17b2o21bo18b2o$31bo40bobo17b2o$71bo3bo$71bo3bo$70b
3ob3o$58bo12bo3bo$15b2o41b3o10bo3bo$15b2o23b2o19bo10bobo$41bo18b2o5b2o
4bo$38b3o$38bo24bo5bo7b2o12bo$35b2obo23b2o5bo7b2o7b2o2bobo$35bobob2o21b
o23bobo2bobo$17b2o18bo2bo22b2o3bo20b2o2bo$18bo9b2o7b2o25b3o23bobo$17b
o10b2o57bo2bob2o$17b2o67bobobo$20b2o48b2o15bo2b4o$17b2ob2o19bo29bo16b
2o3bo$18bo20b3o26b3o20bo$16bo3b2o16bo29bo19b2ob2o$16b4o2bo15b2o48b2o$
19bobobo67b2o$16b2obo2bo57b2o10bo$17bobo23b3o25b2o7b2o9bo$16bo2b2o20b
o3b2o22bo2bo18b2o$16bobo2bobo23bo21b2obobo$17bobo2b2o7b2o7bo5b2o23bob
2o$18bo12b2o7bo5bo24bo$69b3o$36bo4b2o5b2o18bo$17bo17bobo10bo19b2o23b2o
$17b3o14bo3bo10b3o41b2o$11bo8bo13bo3bo12bo$11b3o5b2o12b3ob3o$14bo19bo
3bo$13b2o19bo3bo$35bobo40bo$4b2o30bo21b2o17bobo$3bobo51bobo5b2o10bobo
$3bo53bo7b2o11bo$2obo7bo44b2o17b3o$bobob2o2b3o13bo18b2o29bo$bobob2o2b
2o13bobo5b2o10bo25bo$2obo7bo13bo6b2o11b3o18b2obobo$o2b4o3bo10b2o24bo17b
obobobo$b2o3bo3bo10bobo38bo2bobobobob2o$3b2o18bo38b4ob2o2bo2bo$3bo13b
o5b2o41bo4b2o$5bo12bo45bobo$4b2o10b3o45b2o!
EDIT 3:
guntrue_1029 reduced (4473 -> 4270), though it might be reducible with a weld for the tremi-snark
Code:
Select all
x = 70, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
20bo11bo$20b3o7b3o$23bo5bo$22b2o5b2o15bo$44b3o$43bo$43b2o3$35bo6b2o16b
o2b2o$33b2ob2o4b2o16b4obo$18b2o16b2o27bo$17bobo12bo3bobo19b7ob2o$17bo
39bo6bobo2bo$16b2o15bo23b2o2b2obo3b2o$34b3o24b2ob2o$35b2o$30b2o21b2o$
49b2obobo6b2o$44b2o2bo2b2o8b2ob2o$9bo19bo2bo11bobo2bo3bo6b2obo$9b3o17b
o17b2ob2obo$12bo17bo17bobo2bobo$11b2o14b3o10bo4bo2bo2bo2b2o$27bo13b2o
bobob3o$40b2o3bobo21bo$3b2o41bo2b2o16bobo$3bo43b2ob3o15b2o$2obo49bo$o
2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o$b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo13b2o$3b4o57bo$3bo15b2o18b2o24b3o$4b
3o12bobo8b2o7b2o26bo$7bo13bo9bo$2b5o14b2o8bobo$2bo29b2o$4bo$3b2o24bo$
27b3o24b2o$26bo26bobo$26b2o25bo$52b2o$51bo$50b4o$48b2o4bo$37bo8bobob3o
2bo$36bobo5b3o6b2o$16b2o18bobo4bo4b2ob2o$15bobo5b2o12bo6b4o4bo$15bo7b
2o9b3o11b4o$14b2o18bo11bo2bo$46b2o$28bo$24b2obobo$23bobobobo$20bo2bob
obobob2o$20b4ob2o2bo2bo$24bo4b2o$22bobo$22b2o!
guntrue_1119 reduced below 7000 (7474 -> 6976)
Code:
Select all
x = 109, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
44b2o$43bobo17b2o11bo$37b2o4bo19b2o10bobo$35bo2bo2b2ob4o27bobo2b2o3bo
$35b2obobobobo2bo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo$38bobobobo33bobo3bobo$38bobob2o30b2o
bo2b4obo$39bo34b2obobo3bo$34bo43bobo3bo15b2o$32b3o17b2o25bobo3bo14bo$
31bo11b2o7bo27bo3b2o12bobo$30bobo10b2o5bobo41b2o2b2o$30bobo17b2o42b2o
$31bo$71b2o$71b2o$52b2o2b2o$52bo2bo2bo$15b2o36b2ob2o$15b2o23b2o12bobo
50b2o$41bo12bobo50bo$38b3o14bo12b2o35bobo$38bo29bo36b2o$35b2obo30b3o$
35bobob2o30bo10b2o$17b2o18bo2bo40bobo$18bo9b2o7b2o42bo$17bo10b2o50b2o
22b2o$17b2o85bo$20b2o66b2o15b3o$17b2ob2o65bobo17bo$18bo68bo$16bo3b2o64b
2o15b2o$16b4o2bo80bobo$19bobobo81bo$16b2obo2bo18bo4b2o57b2o$17bobo19b
3o3bobo$16bo2b2o17bo8bo$16bobo2bobo14b2o35bo$17bobo2b2o51b3o$18bo51bo
7bo$69b2o6b2o$69bobo$17bo$17b3o$11bo8bo$11b3o5b2o$14bo34bo$13b2o32b3o
37b2o$46bo33b2o5bobo$4b2o41bo32b2o7bo$3bobo40b2o41b2o$3bo41bo2b2o$2ob
o7bo33b3o2bo25bo$bobob2o2b3o13bo23bo25bobob2o$bobob2o2b2o13bobo5b2o3b
2o6b4o26bobobobo$2obo7bo13bo6b2o3b2o7bo25b2obobobobo2bo$o2b4o3bo10b2o
21bo27bo2bo2b2ob4o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo20b2o28b2o4bo$3b2o18bo56bobo$3bo13b
o5b2o56b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
EDIT 4:
ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 3:36 pm
I agree that it is fine, but I was unable to find one. It is just harder to search for. (Edit: And I'm pretty sure it's impossible in this case.)
Would it be likely to exist if there were more rows available below? (i.e. for period-multiplied guns)
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.
Pseudastur albicollis