Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: December 8th, 2025, 4:20 pm The best reduction yet, guntrue_4800 in (3195 -> 3080)
Doublepost, but the new super small p5 strikes again (3080 -> 2881)

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x = 66, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
7b2o3b2o$7bobobobo9b2o$9bobo12bo$4b2o2bo3bo5b2ob3o$3bobo2bobobo5b2obo
$2bo2bob2obo$3b3o2bob2o6b3o$6b2o2b2o5bo2bo8bo$5bo2bob2o5b2o9b4o$5b2o2b
2o16b2obobo3b2o$26b3obo2bo2b2o$27b2obobo$28b4o$9b2o18bo$2o6bo2bo6b2o17b
2o$bo7b2o7bo18b2o14b2o$bobo12bobo34b2o8b2o$2b2o12b2o45bo$64bo$55bo7b2o
$19bo35bo6bo$19b3o26bo6bo6b3o$22bo24b3o15bo$21b2o23b2o2bo13b2o$45bo3b
2o$36b2o6b2o$36bo6b3o$8bo28b3o4b2o$7bobo29bo5bo3b2o$7bobo27b2o7b2o2bo
9b2o$8bo22b2o4bo8bo2bo10b2o$12b2o10b2o5bobo4bo7bo9b2o$12bobo9b2o7bo3b
2o7bo2bo$14bo18b2o12b2o$14b2o$20bo$19bobob2o$19bobobobo$16b2obobobobo
2bo$16bo2bo2b2ob4o$10bo7b2o4bo$11bo12bobo$9b3o13b2o!
!
EDIT:
guntrue_5220 reduced (4675 -> 3888)

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x = 53, y = 71, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$2o12bo2bo$bo13b2o$bobo$2b2o$8bo12bo$7bobo10bobo$8bo11bobo$2b2o17b
o8b2o$bobo25bo2bo$bo14b2o12b2o$2o13bobo$16bo$33b2o$8b2o23bo$8bo4b2o19b
3o$9bo3b2o21bo$10bo7b2o$8bob4obo3bo32bo$7bobo3bob4o31bobo$7bo2bo2bo37b
2o$8b2o2b2o3b2o$17b2o$7bob5o$3bo3b2obo3bo$3bo9b2o27bo4bo$40b2ob4ob2o$
3bo38bo4bo$2bobo$15b2o8b2o$2b3o9bobo7bo2bo$10b2o2b2o9b2o$10b2o6bo$2b3o
12b2o$17bobo8b2o$2bobo23bo$3bo25b3o$31bo13bo$3bo9b2o29bobo$3bo10bo29b
o2bo$11b3o26b2ob2ob2o$11bo28b2obo2bo$36b2o7bo2bo$14bo21b2o8b3o$13bobo
27b3o$13b3o26bo3bo$14b2o26bob2obo$14b3o26bo3bo$15b2o28b2ob2o$27bo3b2o
3bo9bobo$11bo3b2o9b2o3bo5bo8bobo$16bo8b3o4b5o10bo$11bo3bo10b2o5bo2bo$
13bo13bo6bo$16bo6bo13bo$14bo2bo5b2o10bo3bo$3bo10b5o4b3o8bo$2bobo8bo5b
o3b2o9b2o3bo$2bobo9bo3b2o3bo$b2ob2o28b2o$3bo3bo26b3o$3bob2obo26b2o$4b
o3bo26b3o$5b3o14b2o11bobo$2b3o8b2o7bobo11bo$2bo2bo7b2o9bo$4bo2bob2o13b
2o$3b2ob2ob2o$3bo2bo$4bobo$5bo!
EDIT 2: guntrue_783 reduced (3168 -> 3111)

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x = 51, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
44bo$43bobo$43bo2bo$39b2ob2ob2o$24b2o13b2obo2bo$25bo9b2o7bo2bo$13bo11b
obo7b2o8b3o$12bobo11b2o14b3o$13bo27bo3bo$41bob2obo$29bo12bo3bo$27bo2b
o13b2ob2o$26bo4bo13bobo$25bo4b2ob3o9bobo$25bo2bo2b2o2bo10bo$13bo11bo6b
2ob2o$12bobo5b2o4bobo5b3o$12b3o5bobo4b2o5bobo$12b2ob2o6bo11bo$2bo10bo
2b2o2bo2bo$bobo9b3ob2o4bo$bobo13bo4bo$2ob2o13bo2bo$2bo3bo12bo$2bob2ob
o$3bo3bo27bo$4b3o27bobo$b3o8b2o21bo$bo2bo7b2o$3bo2bob2o29bo$2b2ob2ob2o
27b3o$2bo2bo30bo$3bobo30b2o$4bo$45b2o$45bobo$47bo$47bob2o$44b2obobo$33b
obo8b2obobo$34b3ob2o7bob2o$28b2o4bo2bo2bo3b4o2bo$27bobo8b2o4bo3b2o$20b
o6bo18b2o$20b3o3b2o19bo$23bo21bo$22b2o21b2o2$13b2o$12bobo$12bo$9b2obo
7bo$10bobob2o2b3o$10bobob2o2b2o$9b2obo7bo$9bo2b4o3bo10b2o$10b2o3bo3bo
10bobo$12b2o18bo$12bo13bo5b2o$14bo12bo$13b2o10b3o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: December 8th, 2025, 4:20 pm guntrue_7020, which probably can be reduced by more than what is done here (I post it in the hopes that it can)

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x = 77, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
bo9bo17b2o5b2o2b2ob2o$b3o5b3o17bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o$4bo3bo21b2obob2ob2ob
o$3b2o3b2o16b2o8bobo2bob2o$23bo2bo2bobob4obob2o2bo$23b3o2b3ob2o2bobo2b
o$26b2o7b2ob4o$6bo12b2o4bo2bo6b3ob3o$5bobo6b2o2bo2bo4b2o$6bo7bobo2bob
o$17b2obo$18bo13b2o$18bo4b2o7b2o7b2o$15b2ob3o3bo16bo$bo13b2o4bo2bobo12b
obo$obo8bo6b2obo3b2o4b2o6b2o$obo7bobo6bob2o7bobo31b2o$bo8b2o7bo10b2o32b
o4bo$17bobo46bobobo$17b2o24bo7b2o9b5obo2bo$6b2o35b3o5b2o9bo5bob2o$5bo
2bo37bo17b5o3b2o$6b2o37b2o23b2o2bo$63bo2bobo3b2o$63bo5b3o$31bo39bo$30b
obo22bo8bo2bo3bobo$30bobo21b4o8b2o4b2o$31bo21b2o$9bo25b2o15b2o2bob2o$
8bobo24bobo14bo2b2o3bo$8bobo26bo13b2o3b2o2bo$9bo27b2o2b2o9bob4o3bo$13b
2o26b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o$13bobo36bo3b4obo9b2o$15bo37bo2b2o3b2o$15b2o36bo3b
2o2bo$54b2obo2b2o$44b2o13b2o$56b4o$26bo13b2o6b2o8bo$26bo16b4o$25bobo11b
obo6bobo22b2o$26bo10b3obobo2bobob3o20bo$26bo9bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo13b2o5b3o
$26bo10b2o3bo4bo3b2o14bo8bo$26bo12b2o2bo2bo2b2o10b2o5b3o$25bobo11bob2o
4b2obo10b2o7bo$26bo$26bo$19bo$20bo$18b3o!
I think it can. (I'm pretty sure that this one won't explode) (5187): EDIT by dvgrn: That "5187" and the width-90 height-57 RLE got me very confused; the actual bounding box was 76*53 = 4028.

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x = 90, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
3$31b2o5b2o2b2ob2o$31bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o$5bo9bo16b2obob2ob2obo$5b3o5b3o
12b2o3bobo4bo2bob2o$8bo3bo12bo2bo2bob4obobob2o2bo$7b2o3b2o11b3o2b2o6b
3o4bo$23b2o3b2o8bo2b2o$24bo2bo2bobo5bo3bobo$24bobob2o4b2o2bo$10bo12b2o
bo$9bobo6b2o2bo2b2o$10bo7bobo2bo10b2o$21b2ob3o7b2o7b2o$22bo3bo16bo$22b
o3bobo12bobo$19b2ob2o3b2o4b2o6b2o$5bo13b2obo9bobo31b2o$4bobo8bo8bo7b2o
32bo4bo$4bobo7bobo6b2o43bobobo$5bo8b2o7bo21bo7b2o9b5obo2bo$21bobo21b3o
5b2o9bo5bob2o$21b2o25bo18b2o5b2o$10b2o35b2o18b2ob2obo2bo$9bo2bo57bo3b
2o$10b2o60b2o$33bo20b3obo14bo$32bobo22bobo8b2o3bobo$32bobo21bo11b2o4b
2o$33bo19bo3b2ob2o$37b2o14b2o4bobo$37bobo14bobo$13bo25bo16bo$12bobo24b
2o2b2o9bo$12bobo28b2o9b3o4b3o9b2o$13bo49bo9b2o$17b2o42bo$17bobo41bobo
$19bo8bo27bobo4b2o$19b2o7bo27b2ob2o3bo$61bo$28bo16b4o9bobo$27bobo14bo
4bo9bob3o$41bobobo2bobobo22b2o$27b3o9b3obobo2bobob3o20bo$38bo3b2ob4ob
2o3bo13b2o5b3o$39b2o3bo4bo3b2o14bo8bo$27b3o11b2o2bo2bo2b2o10b2o5b3o$41b
ob2o4b2obo10b2o7bo$27bobo$28bo$21bo$22bo5bo$20b3o5bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: December 9th, 2025, 8:24 pm
I think it can. (I'm pretty sure that this one won't explode) (5187):
Remember to tuck in those Pentadecathlons (5187 -> 3800)

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x = 75, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
27b2o5b2o2b2ob2o$27bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o$bo9bo16b2obob2ob2obo$b3o5b3o12b2o
3bobo2bobo2bob2o$4bo3bo12bo2bo2bo2bob3obob2o2bo$3b2o3b2o11b3o2b2obo3b
o2b2o2b2o$19b2o3b2o2b5o5b3o$20bo2bo2bo2b6o4b2o$20bobob2o7b2o$6bo12b2o
bo$5bobo6b2o2bo2b2o$6bo7bobo2bo10b2o$17b2ob3o7b2o7b2o$18bo3bo16bo$18b
o3bobo12bobo$15b2ob2o3b2o4b2o6b2o$bo13b2obo9bo2bo30b2o$obo8bo8bo7bo2b
o30bo4bo$obo7bobo6b2o8b2o33bobobo$bo8b2o7bo21bo7b2o9b5obo2bo$17bobo21b
3o5b2o9bo5bob2o$17b2o25bo18b2o5b2o$6b2o35b2o18b2ob2obo2bo$5bo2bo57bo3b
2o$6b2o41b3o16b2o$29bo9b2o7bo3bo16bo$28bobo8bobo6b2ob2o11b2o3bobo$28b
obo8bo8bo4bo10b2o4b2o$29bo19b2ob2o$33b2o18bo$33bobo12b2ob2o$9bo25bo12b
3o$8bobo24b2o2b2o4bob2o13b2o$8bobo28b2o2b2ob2o14b2ob2o2b2o$9bo36b2o13b
2obo4b2o$13b2o44b3o$13bobo5bo35b2ob2o$15bo4b3o33bo$15b2o2b5o32b2ob2o$
56bo4bo8bo$41b4o12b2ob2o6bo$40bo4bo11bo3bo7bo2bo$37bobobo2bobobo9b3o11b
o$35b3obobo2bobob3o20bo$34bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo13b2o5b3o$19b5o11b2o3bo4bo3b
2o14bo8bo$20b3o14b2o2bo2bo2b2o10b2o5b3o$14bo6bo15bob2o4b2obo10b2o7bo$
15bo$13b3o!
I am guilty of not doing that myself (guntrue_5220 from the last post, down from 3888 to 3621)

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x = 70, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
bo9bo46bo$b3o5b3o16bo4bo22b3o4b2o$4bo3bo17b2ob4ob2o19bo3b2o2bo2b2o$3b
2o3b2o18bo4bo22b3o2bobob2obo$58bobobobo4bo$60bobo3b3o$59bo2bo2b2o$6bo
12b2obo37b2o$5bobo6b2o2bo2b2o42b2o$6bo7bobo2bo10b2o26bo6b2o$17b2ob3o7b
2o7b2o16b3o$18bo3bo16bo16b2ob2o$18bo3bobo12bobo3bo11b2o3b2ob2o$15b2ob
2o3b2o4b2o6b2o3bobo11b2ob2o2b2o$bo13b2obo9bobo12bo$obo8bo8bo7b2o$obo7b
obo6b2o$bo8b2o7bo21bo$17bobo21b3o$17b2o25bo$6b2o35b2o$5bo2bo53b2o$6b2o
54bo$29bo33b3o$28bobo34bo$28bobo$29bo$33b2o8b2o$33bobo6b2o$9bo25bo8bo
$8bobo24b2o$8bobo$9bo$13b2o7bo$13bobo5bobo38bo$15bo25b2o2b2ob2o11bobo
$15b2o24b2ob2o3b2o11bo$21b3o21b2ob2o$21b3o22b3o$22bo16b2o6bo$39b2o$44b
2o$22bo16b2o2bo2bo$21b3o13b3o3bobo$21b3o12bo4bobobobo$37bob2obobo2b3o
$15bo22b2o2bo2b2o3bo$16bo4bobo17b2o4b3o$14b3o5bo24bo!
EDIT: Here are some newly reduced guns: guntrue_3510 (4717 -> 4081)

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x = 77, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
37bo$35bobo$25b2o6b2o12b2o$24bo3bo4b2o12b2o$13b2o8bo5bo3b2o$13b2o8bo3b
ob2o4bobo12b2o$23bo5bo7bo12b2o$24bo3bo$25b2o21b4o$36bo6b2o2bo3bo$37b2o
4b2o2b2o$28b2o6b2o35bo$28bo2b2o39bobo$29b2obo39bobo$33bo37b2o2b2o$33b
o39bobo$29b2obo6bo21b2o7b4o2bo$28bo2b2o5bo22b2o6bo4bobo$28b2o8b3o7b2o
19bob3obo$49bo20b2obo$49bobo18b2obo$50b2o17bob3obo$69bo4bobo$18b2o50b
4o2bo$19bo11bo41bobo$13b2ob3o12bobo6b5o13bobo10b2o2b2o$13b2obo14b2o6b
ob3obo2b2o8bob4o8bobo$16bo23bo3bo3b2o4b2obo2bob2o8bobo$13b2o26b3o9bob
5o2b2o9bo$12bo2b2o3b2o20bo12bo10b3o$12b2o6bobo34b3o$21b3o12bo21bo$22b
3o8b4o29bo$21b3o8b4o5b2o22b3o$20bobo9bo2bo4bo2bo12b3o10bo$11bo8b2o10b
4o5b2o18b2o2b5obo$11b3o19b4o24b2obo2bob2o4b2o$14bo21bo11b2o11b4obo8b2o
$13b2o33bo15bobo$45b2obo$4b2o39bo2bob2o$3bobo41b2obob5o$3bo46bob5o16b
2o$2obo7bo35b4o22bobo$bobob2o2b3o34bo4b3o21bo$bobob2o2b2o36bobobobo21b
2o$2obo7bo36b2obob3o6b2o$o2b4o3bo10b2o27bobo3bo5b2o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo26b
obo2b2o14b2o$3b2o18bo27bo19bobo$3bo13bo5b2o48bo$5bo12bo54b2o$4b2o10b3o
!
guntrue_585 (2915 -> 2900) (also applied to guntrue_1755)

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x = 58, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
6bo7b2o10bob2o4b2obo$6b3o5b2o10b2o2bo2bo2b2o$o8bo14b2o3bo4bo3b2o12b3o
$3o5b2o13bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo11bobo$3bo20b3obobo2bobob3o12b3o$2b2o22bobobo
2bobobo14b3o$29bo4bo17b3o$14b2obo12bo2bo18b3o$5b2o8bobo12bo2bo18bobo$
6b2o2bo6bo34b3o$7b4o$8b2o$8b2ob2o$4b2o4b3o$4b2o28b2o$27b3o4b2o2b2o$27b
2ob2o7bo$30b2o7bobo15bo$29b4o7b2o13bobo$22bo6bo2b2o11bo10b2o$3b2o4b2o
11bobo8b2o9bobo$3bobo3b2o11bob2o18bobo$5bo39bo$5b2o$3b2o3b3o$2bo2bobo
3bo18b2o$3b2o3bob2o18bo$5b4o5bo9b2o5b3o$5bo2bob5o9b2o7bo$6bobobo$7bo4b
o$11b2o$36b2o12b2o$35bobo12bobo$35bo7b2o7bo$34b2o6bo2bo6b2o$43b2o3$40b
o2b2o4b2o$34bobo3bo5bobo2bo$36b2o2bo8b2o$33bo4b3o6b2o2b3o$32bo2b2obob
ob4obo2bo2bo$32b2obo2bo4bobo3b2o$35bob2ob2obob2o$32b2obo2bo2bob2o2bo$
32b2ob2o2b2o5b2o!
guntrue_705 (5332 -> 5208)

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x = 84, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
30b2o$29bobo21b2o$23b2o4bo23bobo$21bo2bo2b2ob4o21bo4b2o$5b2o14b2obobo
bobo2bo17b4ob2o2bo2bo13b2o$4bobo17bobobobo20bo2bobobobob2o13bobo$4bo19b
obob2o24bobobobo18bo$b2ob2o19bo29b2obobo18bob2o$b2obo54bo19bob2o$4bob
2o30b2o36b2obo$b4o13bo10b2o7bo6b2o18bo11bob4o$o5bo9b3o10b2o5bobo7bo7b
2o9b3o9b2o4bo$b4o10bo20b2o8bobo5b2o12bo10b4o$4b2o8bobo30b2o18bobo9bo$
4b2o8bobo50bobo9bob2o$b3o11bo52bo10bo$82bo$o82bo$obo78bobo$b2o23b2o53b
2o$27bo29b2o$24b3o30bo$24bo33b3o$60bo2$19b2o42b2o$19bobo40bobo$b2o18b
o40bo18b2o$2bo9b2o7b2o38b2o7b2o9bo$bo10b2o56b2o10bo$b2o78b2o$4b2o72b2o
$b2ob2o72b2ob2o$2bo78bo$o3b2o72b2o3bo$4o2bo70bo2b4o$3bobobo68bobobo$2o
bo2bo51bo18bo2bob2o$bobo20b2o32b3o19bobo$o2b2o19bo36bo17b2o2bo$obo2bo
bo14bobo35b2o14bobo2bobo$bobo2b2o14b2o52b2o2bobo$2bo78bo3$59b3o20bo$4b
2o53bo20b3o$4bobo53bo18bo$6bo72b2o$6b2o42bo$50b3o$6b2o45bo$5bo2bo16b2o
25bo$3bo2b2o17b2o25b2o$3b2obo43b2o2bo$6bo42bo2b3o$6b2o42bo23bo8bo$13b
ob2o34b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo5bobo$11b3obobobo33bo7b2o3b2o6bo7b2o$10bo4bob2o
bo34bo$10b2o3bo4bo33b2o$14b2o4b2o!
Using the row-off lso reduces guntrue_717 guntrue_753, guntrue_279, guntrue_849, guntrue_291 and more that I didn't get to (note the p705 gun uses the wrong p3 sparker, though the other ones listed here do.

Lastly for now, guntrue_885 reduced (3344 -> 3311)

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x = 76, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
6b2o5b2o2b2ob2o20bo$6bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o19bobo$7b2obob2ob2obo20b3obo$3b
2o3bobo4bo2bob2o16bo4bob2o$o2bo2bob4obobob2o2bo16bobobobobo$3o2b2o6b3o
4bo12b2o4b2obobo$3b2o8bo2b2o16bo8bobo9b2o$2bo2bobo5bo3bobo14bobo7bobo
8b2o$3b2o4b2o2bo21b2o7bo2bo$48bo$43bo5bo$9b2o31bo3bo3bo$2o6bo2bo6b2o22b
o2bobo2bo10b2o$bo7b2o7bo23bo3bo3bo8bo2bo$bobo12bobo24bo5bo9b2o2b2o$2b
2o12b2o26bo3bo15bo$45b3o14bo$62b2o$19bo37bo$19b3o8bo25bobo$22bo5b2o25b
o2bo10b2o$21b2o6b2o25b2o11b2o$61bo$60bobo$42b2o15b2ob2o$8bo34bo14bobo
2bo$7bobo30b3o16b4obo$7bobo30bo19bo3bo$8bo22b2o23bo5bob2o$12b2o10b2o5b
obo21bobo5bo9b2o$12bobo9b2o7bo20bo7b2o8bo2bo$14bo18b2o20b3o4b2o6bo2b2o
$14b2o45b2o6bob2o$51b2o17bo2b2o$50bobo3b3o12b2o2bo$50bo5b3o15b2o$21b2o
b2o23b2o6bo7bo5b2obo$17b2o3bob2o2b2o34b4o3bo2bo$17bo2bobo6bo34b2o6b2o
$19b2ob7o$12bo8bo$13bo7bob4o38b2o$11b3o8b2o2bo38b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

Doublepost, but I think a surprise reduction to guntrue_201 with one p3 eater warrants separate mention (2280 -> 2242)

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x = 59, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$5b2o35bo$4bobo35bobo$4bo38b2o$b2obo11bo6b2o$b2obo11b3o4b2o28b2o
$4bob2o11bo33b2o$b4obo3bo7b2o$o4b2o3b3o23b2o$b4o8bo21bo2bo$4bo7b2o4bo
bo15b2o$b2obo13bobo$4bo14bo$bo40b2o$o17bo22bo$obo14bobo20bo$b2o13bo18b
o4bo2bo4b2o$12b2o2bo18bo12b2o$12bo4b2o16bob3ob2o$18bo19b3o$17b3o19bo$
15b2ob3obo16b2o4bo$8b2o12bo18bo2b2o$8b2o4bo2bo4bo18bo13b2o$17bo20bobo
14bobo$16bo22bo17bo$14b2o41b2o$38bo$37bobo$20b2o15bobo4b2o$19bo2bo21b
o$20b2o23b3o$38b2o7bo$3b2o33bo$3b2o28b2o4b3o$13bo19b2o6bo$14bo$12b3o!
guntrue_603 also reduced as a result (3240 ->3132)

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x = 58, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bo35b2o$13bobo35bobo$13b2o38bo$33b2o6bo10b2ob2o$3b2o16b3o9b2o
4b3o9bobob2o$3b2o33bo14bo$19bo18b2o7bo2b2ob4o$19bo25b3o4bo4bo$18b3o23b
o8b4o$37b2o5b2o9bo$16bo13b2o5b2o13bo2bo$15bo14b2o21b3o$14b2o2bo36b2o$
13b3obobo36bo$14b2o2bo2b2o32bobo$15bo5bo33b2o$16b5o$17b3o$18bo$39bo$38b
3o$37b5o$b2o33bo5bo$obo32b2o2bo2b2o$bo36bobob3o$b2o36bo2b2o$2b3o21b2o
14bo$2bo2bo13b2o5b2o13bo$2bo9b2o5b2o$b4o8bo23b3o$o4bo4b3o25bo$b4ob2o2b
o7b2o18bo$4bo14bo33b2o$b2obobo9b3o4b2o9b3o16b2o$b2ob2o10bo6b2o$4bo24b
o$4bobo22b3o$5b2o25bo$31b2o2$22b2o$21bobo$21bo$18b2obo7bo$19bobob2o2b
3o$19bobob2o2b2o$18b2obo7bo$18bo2b4o3bo10b2o$19b2o3bo3bo10bobo$21b2o18b
o$21bo13bo5b2o$23bo12bo$22b2o10b3o!
guntrue_804 (3300 -> 3190)

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x = 58, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bo35b2o$13bobo35bobo$13b2o38bo$33b2o6bo11bob2o$3b2o16b3o9b2o4b
3o11bob2o$3b2o33bo11b2obo$19bo18b2o7bo3bob4o$19bo25b3o3b2o4bo$18bobo23b
o8b4o$19bo17b2o5b2o7bo$18b2o10b2o5b2o14bob2o$16b2o2bo9b2o21bo$16b5o35b
o$11b3o2bob4o35bo$13bob2o38bobo$14b2obo3bo33b2o$16bobob2o$16bo2b3o17b
o$39bo$18bo$18bo17b3o2bo$36b2obobo$b2o33bo3bob2o$obo38b2obo$o35b4obo2b
3o$bo35b5o$4bo21b2o9bo2b2o$b2obo14b2o5b2o10b2o$4bo7b2o5b2o17bo$b4o8bo
23bobo$o4b2o3b3o25bo$b4obo3bo7b2o18bo$4bob2o11bo33b2o$b2obo11b3o4b2o9b
3o16b2o$b2obo11bo6b2o$4bo24b2o$4bobo21b3o$5b2o20bob2o$26bobo$26bo2bo$
27b2o$21b2o10b2o$20bobo9bo2bo$20bo12b2o$17b2obo7bo$18bobob2o2b3o$18bo
bob2o2b2o$17b2obo7bo$17bo2b4o3bo10b2o$18b2o3bo3bo10bobo$20b2o18bo$20b
o13bo5b2o$21bo13bo$20b2o11b3o!
guntrue_1206 (3960 -> 3828)

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x = 66, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
34bo5b2o$30b2obobo2bo3bo$30b2obobo2bo2b2o$33bobo2bo20b2o$28b6ob3o21b2o
$27bo2bo5b2o$27b2o3bobo16b3o$32bo17bo3bo$49bo2bo$48bobo2bo$33b2o10b4o
$34bo9bo2bo8b2o$34bobo7bo2bobobo3bobo$35b2o8b2o3bo5bo5b2o$55b2o5bo$55b
3o5b3o$30b2o23b3o7bo$19b2o10bo21bo5bo$7bo5bob2obo2bo9bobo19bobobobo$7b
3o3b2obob2obo10b2o2b2o$10bo10bobo12b2o8b2o4bobobobo$3b2o4b2o6b2obob2o
22b2o4bo5bo$4bo12b2obo33b3o$4bobo13bo9b2o22b3o$5b2o13b2o8b2o17b2o$49b
2o$8b2o27b2o$7bo2bo26b2o$8bobo$9bo10bo$19bobo6b2o23b2o$19b2o7bo24b2o$
7b2o17bobo12b2o$2obobo2bo17b2o13b2o17b2o$ob2ob3o7b2o18b3o22b2o$4bo9bo
2bo17b3o$4bob2o7b2o16bo5bo4b2o$5bobo25bobobobo4b2o8b2o$54b2o2b2o$32bo
bobobo19bobo$32bo5bo21bo$34b3o23b2o$34b3o$18bo16b2o$17bobo15bo5bo3b2o
8b2o$17bobo14bobo3bobobo2bo7bobo$18bo15b2o8bo2bo9bo$22b2o19b4o10b2o$22b
obo13bo2bobo$24bo14bo2bo$24b2o11bo3bo17bo$38b3o16bobo3b2o$54b2o5bo2bo
$31b2o21b3ob6o$31b2o20bo2bobo$19bo29b2o2bo2bobob2o$20bo28bo3bo2bobob2o
$18b3o29b2o5bo!
guntrue_1608 (3660 -> 3538)

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x = 58, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bo35b2o$13bobo35bobo$13b2o38bo$33b2o6bo11bob2o$3b2o28b2o4b3o11b
ob2o$3b2o33bo11b2obo$38b2o7bo3bob4o$45b3o3b2o4bo$44bo8b4o$13b2o3bo18b
2o5b2o7bo$13b2ob2ob2o9b2o5b2o14bob2o$13b2obo2b2o9b2o21bo$9b2o45bo$10b
2o45bo$24b2o29bobo$9b3obo10b2o29b2o$9bobo$20b2o$20b2o$36b2o$36b2o$46b
obo$b2o29b2o10bob3o$obo29b2o$o45b2o$bo45b2o$4bo21b2o9b2o2bob2o$b2obo14b
2o5b2o9b2ob2ob2o$4bo7b2o5b2o18bo3b2o$b4o8bo$o4b2o3b3o$b4obo3bo7b2o$4b
ob2o11bo33b2o$b2obo11b3o4b2o28b2o$b2obo11bo6b2o$4bo24b2o$4bobo21b3o$5b
2o20bob2o$26bobo$26bo2bo$27b2o$21b2o10b2o$20bobo9bo2bo$20bo12b2o$17b2o
bo$18bobob2o$18bobob2o$17b2obo7b2o$17bo2b4o3bo2bo7b2o$18b2o3bo4b2o8bo
bo$20b2o18bo$20bo19b2o$21bo$20b2o2$28bo$23b3ob2o2b2o$23b4o4b2o7bo$27b
2o12bo$39b3o!
EDIT:
ElijahKen wrote: December 11th, 2025, 9:32 am
The tremi-snark can be pulled in one fd by using a smaller queen bee stabilization (4081 -> 3952):
Helps reduce some other guns too, like guntrue_4230 and guntrue_3870
Last edited by WhiteHawk on December 11th, 2025, 12:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Here's a reduction of the p585 gun from 58x50 (2900-cell BB) to 57x50 (2850-cell BB), achieved with a rather-silly p3 eater weld that really should not have worked, but somehow does anyway:

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x = 57, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
52bo$52bo$38bo$6bo7b2o10bob2o4b2obobo12bo$6b3o5b2o10b2o2bo2bo2b2o2bo
10bobo$o8bo14b2o3bo4bo3b2o3b2o$3o5b2o13bo3b2ob4ob2o5bobo6b3o$3bo20b3ob
o6bob3o2bo$2b2o9bo12bobobo2bobobo2bob2o$14bo12b2o6b2o2b2obobo6b3o$7b2o
2bo2b2o13b6o7bo$6b3obobob3o22b4ob2o5bobo$7b2o2bo2b2o22bo4bo8bo$8bo5bo
24b4o$9b5o26bo11bo$10b3o27bo2bo8bo$4b2o5bo28b3o$4b2o28b2o3b2o$28bo5b2o
3bo15bo$27b3o8bobo15bo$26b5o8b2o13b3o$25bo5bo12bo$24b2o2bo2b2o10bobo$
3b2o4b2o12b3obobob3o9bobo$3bobo2bo2bo12b2o2bo2b2o11bo$5bo5bo13bo$5bobo
3bo14bo$3b2o4bobo$2bo2b3o3bo18b2o$3b2o3b4o18bo$5b2obo5bo9b2o5b3o$5bo2b
ob5o9b2o7bo$6bobobo$7bo4bo$11b2o22b2o12b2o$34bobo12bobo$34bo7b2o7bo$
33b2o6bo2bo6b2o$42b2o3$39bo8b2o$34bo4b2o6bo2bo$33b2o6b5o2b2o$33bo2bobo
bo3bob2o2b3o$31bo2b2obo3bo4bo2bo2bo$31b2obo2bobo2bobo3b2o$34bob2ob2obo
b2o$31b2obo2bo2bob2o2bo$31b2ob2o2b2o5b2o!

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x = 35, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o3b2o3bo3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$2o2bobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo$obobo2bo2bob
o2bobo2bo2bobo3bobo$2bobo3bobobobo2bo5bobo3bobob2o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by ElijahKen »

WhiteHawk wrote: December 10th, 2025, 10:34 pm Doublepost, but I think a surprise reduction to guntrue_201 with one p3 eater warrants separate mention (2280 -> 2242)

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x = 59, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$5b2o35bo$4bobo35bobo$4bo38b2o$b2obo11bo6b2o$b2obo11b3o4b2o28b2o
$4bob2o11bo33b2o$b4obo3bo7b2o$o4b2o3b3o23b2o$b4o8bo21bo2bo$4bo7b2o4bo
bo15b2o$b2obo13bobo$4bo14bo$bo40b2o$o17bo22bo$obo14bobo20bo$b2o13bo18b
o4bo2bo4b2o$12b2o2bo18bo12b2o$12bo4b2o16bob3ob2o$18bo19b3o$17b3o19bo$
15b2ob3obo16b2o4bo$8b2o12bo18bo2b2o$8b2o4bo2bo4bo18bo13b2o$17bo20bobo
14bobo$16bo22bo17bo$14b2o41b2o$38bo$37bobo$20b2o15bobo4b2o$19bo2bo21b
o$20b2o23b3o$38b2o7bo$3b2o33bo$3b2o28b2o4b3o$13bo19b2o6bo$14bo$12b3o!
Here is a p3 eater for the other side (minimal population) (2242 -> 2204):

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x = 58, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$5b2o35bo$4bobo35bobo$4bo38b2o$b2obo11bo6b2o$b2obo11b3o4b2o28b2o$
4bob2o11bo33b2o$b4obo3bo7b2o$o4b2o3b3o23b2o$b4o8bo21bo2bo$4bo7b2o4bobo
15b2o$b2obo13bobo$4bo14bo$bo40b2o$o17bo22bo$obo14bobo20bo$b2o13bo18bo
4bo2bo4b2o$12b2o2bo18bo12b2o$12bo4b2o16bob3ob2o$18bo19b3o$17b3o19bo$
15b2ob3obo16b2o4bo$8b2o12bo18bo2b2o$8b2o4bo2bo4bo18bo13b2o$17bo20bobo
14bobo$16bo22bo17bo$14b2o40bo$38bo9b2o3bo$37bobo9bo3bob2o$20b2o15bobo
4b2o2bo4bo$19bo2bo21bo3b2o3b4o$20b2o23b3o3b2o4bo$38b2o8bob2ob2ob2o$3b
2o33bo6b2obo2bobo$3b2o28b2o4b3o3bo3b2o2bo$13bo19b2o6bo4b3o4b2o$14bo33b
o$12b3o!
EDIT:
WhiteHawk wrote: December 9th, 2025, 8:55 pm EDIT: Here are some newly reduced guns: guntrue_3510 (4717 -> 4081)

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x = 77, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
37bo$35bobo$25b2o6b2o12b2o$24bo3bo4b2o12b2o$13b2o8bo5bo3b2o$13b2o8bo3b
ob2o4bobo12b2o$23bo5bo7bo12b2o$24bo3bo$25b2o21b4o$36bo6b2o2bo3bo$37b2o
4b2o2b2o$28b2o6b2o35bo$28bo2b2o39bobo$29b2obo39bobo$33bo37b2o2b2o$33b
o39bobo$29b2obo6bo21b2o7b4o2bo$28bo2b2o5bo22b2o6bo4bobo$28b2o8b3o7b2o
19bob3obo$49bo20b2obo$49bobo18b2obo$50b2o17bob3obo$69bo4bobo$18b2o50b
4o2bo$19bo11bo41bobo$13b2ob3o12bobo6b5o13bobo10b2o2b2o$13b2obo14b2o6b
ob3obo2b2o8bob4o8bobo$16bo23bo3bo3b2o4b2obo2bob2o8bobo$13b2o26b3o9bob
5o2b2o9bo$12bo2b2o3b2o20bo12bo10b3o$12b2o6bobo34b3o$21b3o12bo21bo$22b
3o8b4o29bo$21b3o8b4o5b2o22b3o$20bobo9bo2bo4bo2bo12b3o10bo$11bo8b2o10b
4o5b2o18b2o2b5obo$11b3o19b4o24b2obo2bob2o4b2o$14bo21bo11b2o11b4obo8b2o
$13b2o33bo15bobo$45b2obo$4b2o39bo2bob2o$3bobo41b2obob5o$3bo46bob5o16b
2o$2obo7bo35b4o22bobo$bobob2o2b3o34bo4b3o21bo$bobob2o2b2o36bobobobo21b
2o$2obo7bo36b2obob3o6b2o$o2b4o3bo10b2o27bobo3bo5b2o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo26b
obo2b2o14b2o$3b2o18bo27bo19bobo$3bo13bo5b2o48bo$5bo12bo54b2o$4b2o10b3o
!
The tremi-snark can be pulled in one fd by using a smaller queen bee stabilization (4081 -> 3952):

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x = 76, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
37b2o$36b3o$24bo8bob2o9b2o$24bobo6bo2bo4bo5bo$12b2o11bobo5bob2o5bo$12b
2o11bo2bo7b3o3bo3bo2b2o$25bobo9b2o5bo4b2o$24bobo$24bo9bo12b4o$35b2o5b
2o2bo3bo$34b2o6b2o2b2o$27b2o43bo$27bo2b2o39bobo$28b2ob2o38bobo$31b2o37b
2o2b2o$31b2o6bo32bobo$28b2ob2o5bo21b2o8b3o2bo$27bo2b2o6b3o19b2o7bo3bo
bo$27b2o18b2o19bob3obo$48bo19bo3bo$48bobo17bo3bo$49b2o17bob3obo$69bo3b
obo$31bo6b2o3b2o25b3o2bo$31bobo5b5o28bobo$31b2o6b2ob2o26b2o2b2o$39b2o
b2o3b2o7b2o13bobo$10b2o28b3o4b2o4bo3b2ob2o9bobo$11bo41bo7bo10bo$11bob
o4bo34bobo2b2obo3b2o$12b3ob4o34bobo9bo$14b2obob2o14b2o16bo2bo8bo2bo$14b
o2bob3o11bo2bo17bo2bo8bo2bo$15bobob2o4b2o5bo7b2o14bo9bobo$11bo4b4o5b2o
5bo6bo2bo13b2o3bob2o2bobo$11b3o4bo7bo5bo7b2o19bo7bo$14bo18bo2bo24b2ob
2o3bo4b2o$13b2o20b2o10b2o16b2o7b2o$47bo$4b2o38b2obo$3bobo38bo2bob2o$3b
o42b2ob2o3b2o$2obo7bo42b2o16b2o$bobob2o2b3o34b3ob2o20bobo$bobob2o2b2o
34bo4bo23bo$2obo7bo34bobo3bo21b2o$o2b4o3bo10b2o24b2obob3o6b2o$b2o3bo3b
o10bobo25bobo3bo5b2o$3b2o18bo25bobo2b2o14b2o$3bo13bo5b2o25bo19bobo$5b
o12bo53bo$4b2o10b3o53b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

guntrue_1710 reduced (3944 -> 3740)

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x = 68, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
32b2o20bo$32bobo18bo2bo$20bo12b3o17bo2bo2bo$17b4o3b2o8b3o6b2o10bo3bo$
16b4o3b2o8b3o7b2o14bo$9b2o5bo2bo3b2obob2o2bobo$9b2o5b4o4bobob2o2b2o$17b
4o3bob2o13bo$20bo20b3o9b2o3b2o$44bo7bo$43b2o7b2ob5o$34bo17b2ob2o$35b2o
15bo3bo$34b2o16b2ob2o$49b5ob2o7b2o$31b2o23bo7bo$31b2o16b2o3b2o9b3o$31b
o35bo$27bob5o5bo$26bo3b3o5bo$27bo10b3o8bo$49bo3bo$49bo2bo2bo$52bo2bo$
54bo2$31bo6b2o3b2o$31bobo5b5o$31b2o6b2ob2o$39b2ob2o$10b2o28b3o$11bo$11b
obo4bo$12b3ob4o$14b2obob2o14b2o$14bo2bob3o11bo2bo$15bobob2o4b2o5bo7b2o
$11bo4b4o5b2o5bo6bo2bo$11b3o4bo7bo5bo7b2o$14bo18bo2bo$13b2o20b2o2$4b2o
$3bobo$3bo$2obo7bo$bobob2o2b3o$bobob2o2b2o$2obo7bo$o2b4o3bo10b2o$b2o3b
o3bo10bobo$3b2o18bo$3bo13bo5b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
Complex older design, for comparison

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x = 58, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
34b2o13b2o$34b2o9b2obobo$20bo10b2o12b2obo$20bobo7b3o15b2o$23b2o6b2o12b
2o$9b2o12b2o9b2o5b2o2bo$9b2o12b2o9b2o5bobobo5b3o$20bobo20bob2o$20bo11b
o10bo7bobo$30bobo11b3o3b5o$31b2o13bo2b2o3b2o$49b2o3b2o3$52b2o$39bo10b
2ob2o$2b2o10b2o24bo9bo2bo$2b2o10b2o22b3o12bo$32b2o16bo$3bo28b2o9bo7b2o
$2bobo36b4o$2bobo21bo13bob5o$3bo17b2o3bobo10b2o6bo3b2o3b2o$21bo2bo5b2o
8b3obo3bo3b5o$22b6ob3o9b2o2bobo5b3o$2obob2o6b3o11bobo2bo21bo$o5bo5bo3b
o7b2obobo2bo2b2o$bo3bo5bo5bo6b2obobo2bo3bo$2b3o6b2obob2o10bo5b2o3$14b
o22bobo$13bobo21b2o$13bobo22bo15b2o$9b2o3bo39b2o$8b3o$5bob2o5b2o28b2o
$5bo2bo4bo2bo27bobo$5bob2o5b2o30bo$8b3o35b2o$9b2o3$31b2o$7b2o22b2o$8b
o$5b3o3bo5b2o$4bo3b4o4bo2bo$4bobo10b2o$5b2ob2o$8b2o$5b2o$5bo$6bo$5b2o
17b2o$24bo$25b3o$7b2o5b2o11bo$6bobo4bo2bo$6bo6bobo3b2o$5b2o7bo4bobob2o
$10b2o9bobo$11bo8b2o2bo$8b3o11b2o$8bo11b2o$21bo22bo$20bo24bo$20b2o21b
3o!
EDIT: guntrue_1590 reduced (4575 -> 4462)

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x = 93, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
8b2o3b2o$8bobo2bo$4bob2o2bo3bo$4b2obobob4o5bo$8b2obo8b3o10b2o$13b2o8b
o9bo$14bo7b2o7bobo$14bob2o13b2o$9b6obo2bo46b2o$16bob2o46b3o$7bo5bo2bo
8b2o30b2o9b2obo8bo$7bo7b2o7bob3o28bo5bo4bo2bo6bobo$6b2o4bo15bo33bo5b2o
bo5bobo11b2o$bo4b2o3bo13b2obo25b2o2bo3bo3b3o7bo2bo11b2o$obobo4b2o15bo
3b2obo20b2o4bo5b2o9bobo$o2bo21bobo50bobo$b3ob2obo17b3o5bo19b4o12bo9bo
$3b3o2b2o17bo3bobo20bo3bo2b2o5b2o$5bo2b3o14b3o2bo26b2o2b2o6b2o$2bobo3b
o17b2o2b3o14bo28b2o11b2o$bo5b3o17bob2ob3o10b3o25b2o2bo9bo2bo$8bobo21b
o2bo8bo27b2ob2o$2bob2o3bo15b2o4bobobo8b2o26b2o12bo$7bob2o13bo3b2o4bo30b
o6b2o$7bo15bo4b2o36bo5b2ob2o10b2o$7b3obo7b2o7bo35b3o6b2o2bo11bo$9b2o8b
o2bo5bo7bob2o36b2o$16b2obo16bobo8b2o$16bo2bob6o9bo6bo2b2o38b2o3b2o$3b
2o13b2obo21b4o39b2o3b2o$2bobo7b2o7bo22b2o41b5o$2bo9bo8b2o18b2ob2o14b2o
3b2o6bo14bobo$b2o10b3o8bob2o13b3o17b5o5bobo$15bo5b4obobob2obo27b2ob2o
6b2o14b3o$21bo3bo2b2ob2obo18bo7b2ob2o$22bo2bobo6bo16b3o8b3o$21b2o3b2o
6bobo13bo$35b2o7b2o3bobo34bo$39b2o3b2o4b2o33b4o$38bobo27b2o14b2obobo$
38b2o10b2o16bo2bo11b3obo2bo$51bo11b2o7bo11b2obobo$44b2o5bobo8bo2bo6bo
12b4o$45bo6b2o9b2o7bo7bo5bo$42b3o23bo2bo9bo$42bo25b2o9b3o!
Really low population original for comparison

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x = 61, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
22b2o6b2o$21bo2bo4bo2bo$21bo2bo4bo2bo$21bo2bo4bo2bo$22b2o6b2o5$26b2o$
17b2o6bo2bo6b2o$18bo7b2o7bo$18bobo12bobo$19b2o12b2o5$51bo5b2o$49b3o4b
4o$48bo6bo2bobo$48b2o4bobo2b2o$53bobo$25bo19b2o5b2o$24bobo18b2o5b3o$24b
obo26bobo$25bo28b2o$29b2o$29bobo$31bo4bo$31b2o2b2o$35b2o$35bo4b3o$42b
o$41bo2$51b2o$47b2o2b2o$47b2o2bob2o$52b3o3$52b2o$52b2o4$7b2o$6bo2bo$6b
o$6bo$6bobo3bo$7bobo3bo$8bo4bo$9b4o5$26b2o$26bo$24bobo$24b2o2$5b2o$5b
2o$14b2o$6bo7b2o$5bobo$2o2bo2bo3b2o47bo$2obo8bo45bobo$4b2o3b3o47b2o$9b
o!
EDIT 2: Some 3n guns with reduced rectifiers
guntrue_213 (3894 -> 3828)

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x = 66, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
10b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$9bo2bo2bo3bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$9b2obo2bo2b2o7b2obo
b2obo4bobo$10bobo2bo19b5obo14bo$10bob3o16b2obo4bo14b3o$8bo4b2o16b2obo
bo3bo12bo$11bo23bobo3bo11b2o$6b3obo25bo3b2o$6b4o$6bo15b3o$21bo2bo$20b
o3bo$20bo$9b2o9bo3bo35b2o$10bo2b2o6bo2bo35b2o$10bobo2bo6b3o$8b2obob2o
$9bobobo$6b2ob3obo$4b2obo3b2o12b2o$2b2obo19bo$7bo18b3o29b2obob2o$2bo25b
o10b2o17b2ob2obo$2bob3o31bobo$2o36bo$2bo34b2o2$6bo$5bobo$4bo2bo$5b2o3$
b2o$obo$o$bo$4bo$b2obo32bo27bo$4bo32bobo23bobo$b4o32b2o25b2o$o$ob6o42b
o$b2o2b2obo40bobo$5bobo40bobo$8bo4bo32b3o2b3o3b2o$8bo4b3o20bo8bo3b2o3b
o2b2o$8bo7bo18bobo3bo4b3o2b2obo$15b2o18bobo2bobo5bobo2bo$36bo3bobo6bo
bo$17b2obo6b2o12bo8bo$17bo4bo3bo2bo7b4o$18b2o2bo4bobo$18bo3bo5bo7b3o$
19bo19bo$19bob2obo7b2o3bobo$23bo8bo2bobobobo$23bo9b2o5b2o!
guntrue_237 (4680 -> 4608)

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x = 72, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
16b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$15bo2bo2bo3bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$15b2obo2bo2b2o7b2o
bob2obo4bobo$16bobo2bo19b5obo14bo$16bob3o16b2obo4bo14b3o$14bo4b2o16b2o
bobo3bo12bo$17bo23bobo3bo11b2o$12b3obo25bo3b2o$12b4o$12bo3$34b2o$34b2o
30b2o$19b2o7bo37b2o$18bo2bo6b2o$17bob2o6bobo$17bo$16b2o$31b2o$11b2o18b
o$11bo20b3o29b2obob2o$9bobo22bo10b2o17b2ob2obo$9b2o33bobo$6b2o36bo$4b
2obo35b2o$2b2obo$7bo$2bo$2bob3o$2o$2bo2$6bo$5bobo$4bo2bo$5b2o2$43bo27b
o$b2o40bobo23bobo$obo40b2o25b2o$o$bo54bo$4bo50bobo$b2obo49bobo$4bo47b
3o2b3o3b2o$b4o46bo3b2o3bo2b2o$o51b3o2b2obo$ob6o46bobo2bo$b2o2b2obo46b
obo$5bobo48bo$8bo4bo$8bo4b3o$8bo7bo$15b2o$42bob3o$17b2obo6b2o12bobo$17b
o4bo3bo2bo11b2o$18b2o2bo4bobo11b3o$18bo3bo5bo7b4obo$19bo19bobo$19bob2o
bo7b2o3bobob2o$23bo8bo2bobobo2bo$23bo9b2o5b2o!
guntrue_549 (3712 -> 3648)

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x = 64, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
13b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$12bo2bo2bo3bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo3bo$12b2obo2bo2b2o7b
2obob2obo4bobo2b3o$13bobo2bo19b5obo6bo$13bob3o16b2obo4bo7b2o$11bo4b2o
16b2obobo3bo$14bo23bobo3bo$9b3obo25bo3b2o$9b4o$9bo$26b2o31b2o$24b2obo
31b2o$24b2o$24b2obo$16b2o8b2o$15bo2bo43b2o$14bob2o44b2o$14bo$13b2o$28b
2o$28bo$29b3o$31bo10b2o$41bobo$41bo$40b2o$61b2o$35b2o24b2o$35bo$33bob
o$33b2o10bo$45b3o$48bo$47b2o$12b2o48b2o$12b2o48bo$59b2obo$58bo2bo$49b
2o8b2o$11bo37bob2o$11b3o37b2o$14bo34bob2o$13b2o34b2o2$4b2o25b2o3bo$3b
obo25bo3bobo$3bo28bo3bobo$2obo7bo21bo3bobob2o$bobob2o2b3o12b2o5bob4o2b
ob2o$bobob2o2b2o13bo5bobo3bobo$2obo7bo13b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$o2b4o3bo10b
2o4bo3bo3b2o2bobo$b2o3bo3bo10bobo15bobo10b2o$3b2o18bo16bo11b2o$3bo13b
o5b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
This reduction reduces guntrue_621, guntrue_657

guntrue_534 (4130 -> 4071)

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x = 69, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
39b2o$39bobo$41bo4b2o$37b4ob2o2bo2bo10bo$37bo2bobobobob2o10bo$40bobob
obo13bo$41b2obobo14bobo$24b2o19bo14bob2o2b2o$23bobo24bo10b6obo$17b2o4b
o7b2o17b3o15bo$15bo2bo2b2ob4o4bo7b2o11bo10b4o$15b2obobobobo2bo4bobo5b
2o10bobo9bo$8bo9bobobobo8b2o17bobo9bob2o$7bobo8bobob2o29bo10bo$19bo47b
o$6bo2bo58bo$b2obobobo23b2o32bobo$ob2o3bo15b2o7bo33b2o$o4bo17b2o5bobo
$b4o25b2o11b2o$2bo40bo$2bo2bo38b3o$2b3o41bo$b2o43bob2o$bo42b2obobo$ob
o41bo2bo18b2o$b2o17b2o24b2o7b2o9bo$21bo33b2o10bo$18b3o45b2o$5b2o11bo44b
2o$4bo2bo55b2ob2o$5bobo58bo$6bo56b2o3bo$62bo2b4o$61bobobo$43bo18bo2bo
b2o$4bo38b3o19bobo$3bobo40bo17b2o2bo$3b2o2bobo15b2ob2o15b2o14bobo2bob
o$b2o2bo2b2o14bobobo32b2o2bobo$2bobo12b2o7bobo37bo$2bob6o6bo2bo8bob2o
$3bo5bo6bobo3bo2bo2bobo$4b3o10bo5bobob2obo13b3o20bo$6bo17b2o3bo14bo20b
3o$12b2o12b3o16bo18bo$13bo12bo37b2o$10b3o22bo$10bo24b3o$38bo$37bo$37b
2o$35b2o2bo$34bo2b3o$35bo23bo8bo$36b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo5bobo$38bo7b2o3b2o
6bo7b2o$40bo$39b2o!
the latter reduction also reduces guntrue_579, guntrue_582

guntrue_642 (4450 -> 4361)

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x = 89, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
30b2obob2o15b2o5bo$29bo2b2obo2bob2obo7bo3bo2bobob2o$28bobo4bob2obob2o
7b2o2bo2bobob2o$29bob5o19bo2bobo$14bo16bo4bob2o16b3ob6o$14b3o13bo3bob
ob2o16b2o5bo2bo$17bo11bo3bobo23bobo3b2o$16b2o11b2o3bo26bo3$68bo$67bob
o$41b2o24bobo$41b2o25bo$56b2o$55bo2bo$56b3o2bo25b2o$59b3o25bo$58bo26b
obo$44b2o13b3o23b2o$45bo16bo$42b3o16b2o$42bo3$46bo$26b2o16b3o$26bo16b
o$2b2o23b3o13b2o$bobo26bo$bo25b3o$2o25bo2b3o$30bo2bo$31b2o$20bo6b2o$19b
obo5b2o$19bobo24b3o$20bo6b4o12b2o2bo$26bo4bo11bobo$26b5obo22bo3b2o$24b
2o4bobo21bobo3bo10b2o$23bo2bo5b2o19bobo3bo11bo$23b2obobobo2bo15b2obob
o3bo13b3o$26bo2bob3o15b2obo2b4obo13bo$26b2obo3bo19bobo3bobo$28bobob2o
15b2ob2o2bo2bobo$28bobobo11bo5bobo2b2o3bo$29bo2bo12bo4bobo$30b2o11b3o
5bo!
guntrue_681 (4980 -> 4860)

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x = 81, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
28b2o$27bobo21b2o$21b2o4bo23bobo$19bo2bo2b2ob4o21bo4b2o$7b3o9b2obobob
obo2bo17b4ob2o2bo2bo10bo$7b2o13bobobobo20bo2bobobobob2o10bo$5bob2o13b
obob2o24bobobobo13bo$b2o5bo14bo29b2obobo14bobo$ob3o2bo10bo38bo14bob2o
2b2o$o5bo9b3o17b2o24bo10b6obo$b4o10bo11b2o7bo6b2o17b3o15bo$4b2o8bobo10b
2o5bobo7bo7b2o11bo10b4o$4b2o8bobo17b2o8bobo5b2o10bobo9bo$b3o11bo29b2o
17bobo9bob2o$65bo10bo$o78bo$obo77bo$b2o75bobo$78b2o$24b2o$25bo29b2o$22b
3o30bo$22bo33b3o$19b2obo35bo$19bobob2o33bob2o$b2o18bo2bo31b2obobo$2bo
9b2o7b2o33bo2bo18b2o$bo10b2o44b2o7b2o9bo$b2o64b2o10bo$4b2o72b2o$b2ob2o
69b2o$2bo72b2ob2o$o3b2o72bo$4o2bo68b2o3bo$3bobobo66bo2b4o$2obo2bo66bo
bobo$bobo20b2o29bo18bo2bob2o$o2b2o19bo30b3o19bobo$obo2bobo14bobo33bo17b
2o2bo$bobo2b2o14b2o33b2o14bobo2bobo$2bo70b2o2bobo$78bo3$4b2o50b3o20bo
$4bobo49bo20b3o$6bo50bo18bo$6b2o68b2o$47bo$6b2o39b3o$5bo2bo16b2o23bo$
3bo2b2o17b2o22bo$3b2obo42b2o$6bo40b2o2bo$6b2o38bo2b3o$13bob2o30bo23bo
8bo$11b3obobobo28b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo5bobo$10bo4bob2obo29bo7b2o3b2o6bo7b2o
$10b2o3bo4bo31bo$14b2o4b2o29b2o!
EDIT 3: guntrue_702 (2730 -> 2706)

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x = 66, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
6bo7b2o10bob2o4b2obo$6b3o5b2o10b2o2bo2bo2b2o$o8bo14b2o3bo4bo3b2o$3o5b
2o13bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$3bo20b3obobo2bobob3o$2b2o22bo3bo2bo3bo18bo2b2o$28b
2ob2ob2o20b4obo$18bo12b2o28bo$17b3o34b7ob2o$16b2ob2o32bo6bobo2bo$11b3o
3b3o33b2o2b2obo3b2o$18bo38b2ob2o2$4b2o$4b2o28b2o21b2o$34b2o21b2ob2o$48b
2o6b2obo$21bo27bo$20b3o3b3o20bobo$19b2ob2o26b2o$3b2o4b2o9b3o24bo$3bob
o3b2o10bo23b3o17bo$5bo38bo18bobo$5b3o36b2o18b2o$3b2o$2bo2bob2o3bo17b2o
$3b2o3b4o18bo29b2o$5b2obo5bo9b2o5b3o11bo14bo$5bo2bob5o9b2o6bo2bo8bobo
14b3o$6bobobo19bo3b2o8b2o17bo$7bo4bo17b4o$11b2o21b2o$30b2o2bobo16b2o$
30b2o3bo17b2o2$56b2o$39b2o14bo2bo$40bo9b2obo2b2o$37b3o11bob2obo$37bo11b
obobo2bo$49b2o3b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Period1GliderGun »

gun_221 reduction (4617 -> 4389) by using the odd-period pi-G:

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x = 77, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
27b2o11bo$27b2o10bobo$39bobo2b2o3bo$38b2ob2o2bo2bobo$42bobo3bobo$38b2o
bo2b4obo$38b2obobo3bo$42bobo3bo15b2o$43bobo3bo14bo$44bo3b2o12bobo$58b
2o2b2o$58b2o2$35b2o39bo$35b2o37b3o$20b2o45b2o4bo$19bo2bo45b2o3b2o$18b
ob2o46b2o$18bo50b2o$17b2o50b2o$24bo7b2o40bobo$24b2o6bo43bo$23bobo7b3o
33bo6bo$35bo10b2o21bo2bo2bo$11b2o32bobo$11b2o32bo$44b2o24b2o$70b2o2$2o
$bo23b2o$bobo21bo32b2o$2b2o19bobo32b2o$23b2o10bo$35b3o7bobo$38bo6b2o$
37b2o7bo$52b2o$52bo$49b2obo$48bo2bo$49b2o$34b2o$34b2o2$11b2o$7b2o2b2o
$6bobo12b2o3bo$6bo14bo3bobo$5b2o15bo3bobo$23bo3bobob2o$21bob4o2bob2o$
20bobo3bobo$20bobo2bo2b2ob2o$21bo3b2o2bobo$29bobo10b2o$30bo11b2o!
EDIT: Same for gun_209 (4212 -> 3996)

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x = 74, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
24b2o11bo$24b2o10bobo$36bobo2b2o3bo$35b2ob2o2bo2bobo$39bobo3bobo$35b2o
bo2b4obo$35b2obobo3bo$39bobo3bo15b2o$40bobo3bo14bo$41bo3b2o12bobo$55b
2o2b2o$55b2o2$32b2o39bo$32b2o37b3o$17b2o45b2o4bo$16bo2bo45b2o3b2o$15b
ob2o5bo40b2o$15bo8b2o40b2o$14b2o7bobo40b2o$29b2o40bobo$11b2o16bo43bo$
11b2o17b3o33bo6bo$32bo10b2o21bo2bo2bo$42bobo$42bo$2o39b2o24b2o$bo23b2o
40b2o$bobo21bo$2b2o19bobo$23b2o10bo$35b3o17b2o$38bo16b2o$37b2o$42bobo
7b2o$42b2o8bo$43bo5b2obo$48bo2bo$49b2o$34b2o$34b2o2$11b2o$7b2o2b2o$6b
obo12b2o3bo$6bo14bo3bobo$5b2o15bo3bobo$23bo3bobob2o$21bob4o2bob2o$20b
obo3bobo$20bobo2bo2b2ob2o$21bo3b2o2bobo$29bobo10b2o$30bo11b2o!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

ElijahKen wrote: December 11th, 2025, 9:32 am=

Here is a p3 eater for the other side (minimal population) (2242 -> 2204):
Is there a way to p3 weld these two sets of two eaters where the white-red one is p3 and the green is stable?

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$2.3A$.A$.2A$3B$B$2B$2B$2B8.CD$3B7.C$4B3.BC.C$5B2.B2C$8B!

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x = 14, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A4$12.CD$12.C$B5.B2.BC.C$2B3.3B.B2C$3B.6B!
First is asking to see if guntrue_426 and multiples can be reduced, partially since their syringe catalysts aren't optimal. Second is for guntrue_501 and multiples

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x = 67, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
23.2E.ED2C3.2D10.2A5.2A$19.2D.C.DCE.CD.E.CE.C7.A3.A2.A2.A$20.DC.E2.D.
EDCEDC.2C7.2A2.A2.A.2A$20.D.E.2CECE19.A2.A.A$21.D.DE2D2.E.2E16.3A.A$23.
E3.E.E.2E16.2A4.A$7.A9.A4.E3.E.E23.A$7.3A5.3A3.D2C.D.E25.A.3A$10.A3.A
6.2D3.D27.4A$9.2A3.2A41.A3$34.2A$34.2A$2A47.2A$.A46.A2.A$.A.A45.2A.A$
2.2A48.A$52.2A4.2A$5.A31.2A19.2A$4.A.A31.A$5.2A28.3A$23.2A10.A30.A$23.
A.A38.3A$25.A16.2A19.A$25.2A16.A19.2A$9.2A32.A.A$8.A.A22.A10.2A$8.2A21.
3A$30.A$11.2A3.2A12.2A$11.A4.A47.2A$12.3A.A47.2A$14.A.A.2A$17.A2.A$18.
2A$14.2A$14.2A41.2A$33.3A21.2A$14.4A12.2A2.A18.2A$13.A4.A11.A.A21.A$13.
5A.A22.A3.2A3.3A$11.2A4.A.A21.A.A3.A3.A$10.A2.A5.2A19.A.A3.A$10.2A.A.
A.A2.A15.2A.A.A3.A$13.A2.A.3A15.2A.A2.4A.A$13.2A.A3.A19.A.A3.A.A$15.A
.A.2A15.2A.2A.DCD.A.A$15.A.A.A11.A5.A.A2.CED.DA$16.A2.A12.A4.A.A$17.2A
11.3A5.A!
EDIT: guntrue_906 reduced (5734 -> 5640)

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x = 94, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
12b2o6bo15b2obob2o$11bo2bo3b2obo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$11b2ob5ob2o7b2obob2o
bo4bobo$12bobo2bo19b5obo32bo11bo$11bo2bo2bo15b2obo4bo34b3o7b3o$13bo2b
o16b2obobo3bo20bo15bo5bo6bo$10b2o25bobo3bo19b3o12b2o5b2o3b3o$8bo3bo25b
o3b2o4bo17bo22bo$7bo3bo17b3obo14b3o14b2o22b2o$8bobo17bob4o17bo6bo$27b
o22b2o6b3o$28b2o24b2o5bo$54b2o4b2o$92b2o$15b2o75b2o$14bo2bo$13bob2o$13b
o$12b2o73b2o$27b2o58b2o$27bo54b2o$28b3o51bo$30bo10b2o40b3o$40bobo42bo
$40bo$39b2o10b2o$52bo$34b2o13b3o17b2o$34bo14bo19b2o$32bobo$32b2o10bo$
44b3o$47bo$46b2o$11b2o48b2o$11b2o48bo$58b2obo$57bo2bo$58b2o$43b2o$43b
2o$12b2o$12b2o2$30b2o3bo$3b2o25bo3bobo$3bobo25bo3bobo$4bo27bo3bobob2o
$23b2o5bob4o2bob2o$23bo5bobo3bobo$24b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$7b2o17bo3bo3b2o
2bobo$7b2o29bobo10b2o$2b2o35bo11b2o$bobo$bo$2o13b2o$15bo10bo$8b2o6b3o
8bo$8b2o8bo6b3o!
guntrue_981 reduced via a skipped row reduction to the H-to-G converter (4840 -> 4785)

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x = 87, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
9b2o11bo$9b2o10bobo$21bobo2b2o3bo$20b2ob2o2bo2bobo$24bobo3bobo12b2o$20b
2obo2b4obo13bo$20b2obobo3bo13bobo$24bobo3bo12b2o$25bobo3bo$26bo3b2o2$
51b2o$52bo14b2o$13bo3b2o33bobo12b2o$13b2o2b2o9b2o23b2o$2b2o8bobo13bob
o34b4o$bo2bo23bo4b2o29bo3bo$ob2o29bobo29bo$o32bob2o26bobo$b3o28bob2o27b
2o$3bo4bo5b2o16b3o32b2o$7b2o5bo53bo$6bobo6b3o24b2o24bobo$5b3o9bo11b2o
11b2o25b2o4bo$5b3o22bo42b3o$b2o24b3o42bo$b2o2bob2o18bo44b2o$5bob2o13b
2o40bo$22bo22bo19b2o14b2o$20bobo22bobo16b2o15bobo$20b2o10bo12b2o36bo$
32b3o48bob2o$35bo44b2obobo$34b2o44b2obobo$49b2o23b2o7bob2o$49bo14b2o7b
o2bo3b4o2bo$2o44b2obo13bobo8b2o4bo3b2o$2o25b2o16bo2bo7bo6bo18b2o$26bo
2bo16b2o8b3o3b2o19bo$25b2o2bo29bo21bo$26b2o2bo27b2o21b2o$3b2o22b4o$3b
2o44b2o$48bobo$48bo$19b2o3bo20b2obo7bo$19bo3bobo20bobob2o2b3o$20bo3bo
bob2o16bobob2o2b2o$12b2o7bo4bob2o15b2obo7bo$12bo6bob5o19bo2b4o3bo10b2o
$13b3o2bobo4bob2obob2o12b2o3bo3bo10bobo$15bo3bo2b2obo2bob2obo14b2o18b
o$20b2obob2o12b2o7bo13bo5b2o$39b2o9bo12bo$49b2o10b3o!
this also reduces guntrue_327 (4158 -> 4104)

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x = 76, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
39b2o$20b2obob2o12b2o$15bo3bo2b2obo2bob2obo$13b3o2bobo4bob2obob2o$12b
o6bob5o$12b2o7bo4bob2o36bo2b2o$20bo3bobob2o36b4obo$19bo3bobo45bo$19b2o
3bo39b7ob2o$63bo6bobo2bo$63b2o2b2obo3b2o$3b2o62b2ob2o$3b2o27b4o$21b2o
8bo3bo$20bobo8bo4bo30b2o$16bo5bo9b3o11b2o19b2ob2o$2o11b2o2bo27bo2bo9b
2o6b2obo$2o10bo5bo27b2obo9bo$11b2ob2o33bo9bobo$12b4o3bo29b2o9b2o$13bo
4bo15b2o$15b3o17bo39bo$15bo16b3o38bobo$20b2o10bo41b2o$20bobo$22bo$22b
2o46b2o$b2o24bo42bo$b2o24b3o41b3o$30bo16b2obo22bo$17bo11b2o11b3o2b2o2b
o17bo$15b3o25b2o6bo16bobo$14bo29b2o4b2o16bobo$3bo10b2o33bo17b2ob2o$b3o
42b2o15b2o$o62bobo$ob2o61bo$bo2bo59bo3bo$2b2o61b4o$53b2o$52bobo12b2o$
13b2o2bo23bo10bo14b2o$15b4o20b2o10b2o$15b2o2bo19b3o$19b2o5bo3b2o$18b2o
5bobo3bo$19b2o3bobo3bo12b2o$20b2obobo3bo13bobo$20b2obo2b4obo13bo$24bo
bo3bobo12b2o$20b2ob2o2bo2bobo$21bobo2b2o3bo$9b2o10bobo$9b2o11bo!
EDIT 2: guntrue_872 reduced by removing a signal from the p436 gun (3618 -> 3456)

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x = 64, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
39b2o$20b2obob2o12b2o$15bo3bo2b2obo2bob2obo$13b3o2bobo4bob2obob2o$12b
o6bob5o$12b2o7bo4bob2o$20bo3bobob2o$19bo3bobo$19b2o3bo3$3b2o$3b2o$31b
2o$31b2o$46b2o$2o43bo2bo$2o44b2obo$49bo$49b2o$34b2o$35bo$32b3o$20b2o10b
o$20bobo$22bo24b2o$22b2o22b2o$b2o24bo20bo$b2o24b3o$30bo$17bo11b2o11b2o
$15b3o24b2o$14bo$3bo10b2o$b3o$o61b2o$ob2o58b2o$bo2bo$2b2o$17b2o$17b2o
2$57b2o$57b2o$26bo3b2o$25bobo3bo$24bobo3bo$20b2obobo3bo$20b2obo2b4obo
$24bobo3bobo7b2o$20b2ob2o2bo2bobo7b2o$21bobo2b2o3bo26bo$9b2o10bobo35b
o$9b2o11bo34b3o!
EDIT 3:
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: December 9th, 2025, 7:01 am p8064 solifuge gun (of a 27-engine variant):
Say, weirdly enough the gun allows for a smaller guntrue_8064 than the one currently in Catagolue (3025 -> 2772)

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x = 62, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
30bo4bo$29bobo2bo$27b3ob2obobo$b2ob2o5b2ob2o2b2o6bo4bo2b2o$2bobo5bobo
bobo2bo6b4o2b4o$2bo7bo3bobobo8bo2bobo2bo$2ob5ob6ob2ob3o5b4o2b4o$bobo2b
2o9bobo2bo4b2o2bo4bo$bo2bo2bo4b3o2b2obobo3bobob2ob3o$2b2o8bob2o3bobo6b
o2bobo$14bo2bobo7bo4bo$6b2o6b2obobo$5bo2bo6bob2o14bo$6b2o7bo16bo$13bo
bo17bo15b2o$13b2o34b2o7b2o$2b2o54bo$bo2bo55bo$2b2o12bo34bo7b2o$16b3o16b
2o14bo6bo$19bo16bo14bo6b3o$18b2o16b2o23bo$44bo15b2o$43b3o$32b2o8b2obo
$5bo26bo8b2o$4bobo26b3o6b2obo6bo$4bobo28bo7b3o6bo$5bo22b2o3b2o9bo11b2o
$9b2o10b2o5bobo2bo17b2o3b2o$9bobo9b2o7bo4bo16bo$11bo18b2o2b2o7b2o7bo$
11b2o30b2o$17bo$16bobob2o$16bobobobo$13b2obobobobo2bo$13bo2bo2b2ob4o$
7bo7b2o4bo$8bo12bobo$6b3o13b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: December 12th, 2025, 5:14 pm Is there a way to p3 weld these two sets of two eaters where the white-red one is p3 and the green is stable?

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$2.3A$.A$.2A$3B$B$2B$2B$2B8.CD$3B7.C$4B3.BC.C$5B2.B2C$8B!

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x = 14, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A4$12.CD$12.C$B5.B2.BC.C$2B3.3B.B2C$3B.6B!
First is asking to see if guntrue_426 and multiples can be reduced, partially since their syringe catalysts aren't optimal. Second is for guntrue_501 and multiples
For the first one, no, at least not without making the second one periodic as well.
For the second one, thanks for the context!
Here is a minpop weld:

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x = 17, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$13b2o2$8b2ob4o$5b2o2bobo3bo$5bo3bo4bo$6b3obo3bobo$8bobo4b2o$11b
2o$2o7bobo$o5b2o3bo$b3obo3b2o$2bo$2bo2bo$2b3o$b2o$bo$obo$b2o!
Currently searching for the other p3 eater.

EDIT: Some low-period reduction targets I compiled (list may be outdated):
gun_164 (Edit 2: Done previously), gun_170, gun_178 (Edit 2: Tried and failed), (Edit 3: More like this list is very outdated; removed some entries), gun_229, gun_233.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 10:15 am For the first one, no, at least not without making the second one periodic as well.
I don't think it's a problem if the second eater is periodic, as long as it reduces the bounding box

There probably are many more 3n guns where welded p3 eaters could help remove a row, these were just some starters

Also, guntrue_501 reduced (4582 -> 4524)

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x = 78, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
66b2o$66b2o2$76b2o$76bo$74bobo$74b2o$58b2o$48b2o8b2o$49bo$49bobo22b2o
$27b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$13b2o12bo17bo30bo$13b2o10bobo18bo29b2o$25b2o18b
2o$8b2ob4o$5b2o2bobo3bo56b2o$5bo3bo4bo57b2o$6b3obo3bobo$8bobo4b2o$11b
2o29b2o$2o7bobo30b2o$o5b2o3bo$b3obo3b2o$2bo$2bo2bo$2b3o$b2o$bo$obo$b2o
50b2o$54bo$51b3o$5b2o44bo23b2o$4bo2bo67b2o$5bobo54b2o$6bo50b2o2bo2bo$
54bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo51bobobo5bo8bobob2o$bobo50bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$bo3bo
51bo2bo9b2o$5b2o51bo4bo$2b2ob2o52b5o$5b2o18b2o$3bo3b2o17b2o9bo23bo$5b
o19bo9b3o22bobo$6bo3bo23bo26bo$8b2obo23bo$11bo20bo2bo$11b2o19bo$22b3o
4b3o2bo$22bo5b4obo$22bo$27bo2bobo$17b2o11bo$18bo7b3o32bo$15b3o44bo$15b
o44b3o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 12:27 pm
ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 10:15 am For the first one, no, at least not without making the second one periodic as well.
I don't think it's a problem if the second eater is periodic, as long as it reduces the bounding box

There probably are many more 3n guns where welded p3 eaters could help remove a row, these were just some starters
I agree that it is fine, but I was unable to find one. It is just harder to search for. (Edit: And I'm pretty sure it's impossible in this case.)
Finding/searching for p3 eater welds is probably one of my favorite things to do.

WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 12:27 pm Also, guntrue_501 reduced (4582 -> 4524)

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x = 78, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
66b2o$66b2o2$76b2o$76bo$74bobo$74b2o$58b2o$48b2o8b2o$49bo$49bobo22b2o
$27b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$13b2o12bo17bo30bo$13b2o10bobo18bo29b2o$25b2o18b
2o$8b2ob4o$5b2o2bobo3bo56b2o$5bo3bo4bo57b2o$6b3obo3bobo$8bobo4b2o$11b
2o29b2o$2o7bobo30b2o$o5b2o3bo$b3obo3b2o$2bo$2bo2bo$2b3o$b2o$bo$obo$b2o
50b2o$54bo$51b3o$5b2o44bo23b2o$4bo2bo67b2o$5bobo54b2o$6bo50b2o2bo2bo$
54bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo51bobobo5bo8bobob2o$bobo50bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$bo3bo
51bo2bo9b2o$5b2o51bo4bo$2b2ob2o52b5o$5b2o18b2o$3bo3b2o17b2o9bo23bo$5b
o19bo9b3o22bobo$6bo3bo23bo26bo$8b2obo23bo$11bo20bo2bo$11b2o19bo$22b3o
4b3o2bo$22bo5b4obo$22bo$27bo2bobo$17b2o11bo$18bo7b3o32bo$15b3o44bo$15b
o44b3o!
And here is the other p3 eater "weld" for this gun (newly discovered AFAIK) (4446):

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x = 78, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
66b2o$66b2o2$76b2o$76bo$74bobo$74b2o$58b2o$48b2o8b2o$49bo$49bobo22b2o$
27b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$13b2o12bo17bo30bo$13b2o10bobo18bo29b2o$25b2o18b2o
$8b2ob4o$5b2o2bobo3bo56b2o$5bo3bo4bo57b2o$6b3obo3bobo$8bobo4b2o$9bob2o
29b2o$2o6b2obo30b2o$o6bobobo$b3obobob2o$4b2o$4b2o$b3o2$o$obo$b2o50b2o$
54bo$51b3o$5b2o44bo23b2o$4bo2bo67b2o$5bobo54b2o$6bo50b2o2bo2bo$54bo2bo
4bobo7b2o$53bobobo5bo8bobo$5bo48bo2bob2o9bobob3o$2o3bo51bo2bo9b2o5bo$o
2b3obo50bo4bo12b2o$b3o4b2o49b5o$4bo2bo$ob2o2bobobo13b2o11bo23bo$2obob
2obo2b2o12b2o8b3o22bobo$3bo2bobo3bobo9bo9bo26bo$3b2o2bo7bo18b2o$14b2o
4b2o11b2o$8bo10b3o10b2o$3b2o3bobo8bo2bo6bo3bo$3bo2bo5b2o5b2obo4b3ob3o$
4b6ob3o6b2o10bo$9bobo2bo12b6o$6b2obobo2bo2b2o8b2obo29bo$6b2obobo2bo3bo
7b2o33bo$10bo5b2o41b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 3:36 pm
I agree that it is fine, but I was unable to find one. It is just harder to search for. (Edit: And I'm pretty sure it's impossible in this case.)
Finding/searching for p3 eater welds is probably one of my favorite things to do.

WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 12:27 pm Also, guntrue_501 reduced (4582 -> 4524)
And here is the other p3 eater "weld" for this gun (newly discovered AFAIK) (4446):
Wow! That is a really great reduction (too bad it doesn't reduce guntrue_1002 too, though I guess it's better for population)

I bet a lot of guns could use that reduction to the period-3 eater in terms of bounding box. Wish that population reduction fix would also be admitted to catagolue's algorithm.

EDIT: Proof of concept guntrue_477 (4180 -> 4104). I guess I challenge you to also find a p3 weld for that first bumper

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x = 76, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
64b2o$64b2o2$74b2o$74bo$72bobo$72b2o$56b2o$46b2o8b2o$47bo$47bobo22b2o
$25b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$9b2o14bo17bo30bo$9b2o12bobo18bo29b2o$23b2o18b2o
$9b4o$9bo3bo56b2o$12bo57b2o$12bobo$13b2o$9b2o29b2o$9bo30b2o$7bobo$7b2o
$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o3$6b2o43b2o$5bo2bo43bo$6bobo40b3o$7bo41bo23b2o$73b2o$
60b2o$6bo48b2o2bo2bo$b2o3bo45bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo2b3obo42bobobo5bo8bobob
2o$2b3o4b2o41bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$5bo2bo46bo2bo9b2o$bob2o2bobobo13b2o11b
o17bo4bo$b2obob2obo2b2o12b2o8b3o18b5o$4bo2bobo3bobo9bo9bo$4b2o2bo7bo18b
2o22bo$15b2o4b2o11b2o22bobo$9bo10b3o10b2o24bo$4b2o3bobo8bo2bo6bo3bo$4b
o2bo5b2o5b2obo4b3ob3o$5b6ob3o6b2o10bo$10bobo2bo12b6o$7b2obobo2bo2b2o8b
2obo23bo$7b2obobo2bo3bo7b2o27bo$11bo5b2o35b3o!
EDIT 2:
guntrue_1035 also reduced (3850 -> 3780)

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x = 70, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
8b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$7bo2bobobo2bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$7b2obobo3b2o7b2obob
2obo4bobo$8bobo22b5obo$8bob4o15b2obo4bo$6b3o20b2obobo3bo$7b2o24bobo3b
o15b2o$6bobo25bo3b2o15bo$3b3obo45bobo$49b2o2b2o$49b2o2$26b2o$26b2o$11b
2o48b2o$10bo2bo47b2o$9bob2o$9bo55b2o$8b2o55b2o$3b2o18b2o$4bo18bo$2bo21b
3o$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o$7bo13bo2bo11bobo$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo$3bo15b2o14b2o
32bo$3b4o60bobo$b2o3bo3b2o47b2o7b2o$o2b3o4b2o48bo$2obo53b3o$3bo45b2o6b
o$3b2o22bo21b2o$27b3o$30bo$11b2o16b2o$12bo$9b3o$9bo22bobo$32b2o$33bo2$
39b2o$32b2o5bobo$32b2o7bo$41b2o2$28bo$27bobob2o$27bobobobo$24b2obobob
obo2bo$24bo2bo2b2ob4o$26b2o4bo$32bobo$33b2o!
guntrue_1062 reduced (3913 -> 3870) (EDIT 12/14: reduced even further to 3822)

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x = 91, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
23b2o2bo$22bob4o$22bo$20b2ob7o23bo$18bo2bobo6bo21bobo$18b2o3bob2o2b2o
19b3obo$22b2ob2o22bo4bob2o$49bobobobobo$44b2o4b2obobo$45bo8bobo9b2o$23b
o21bobo7bo10b2o$22bobo9b2o10b2o$22bobo9bo$7b2o14bo8bobo14bo$7bobo22b2o
15bobo7bo$10bo2b2o34b2o8b3o22bo$8b2obo2bo41b3o3b2o6bob2o8b3o$7bobob2o
21bo20b3obobob2o5b2obo7bo$8bo25b3o18bo5bo3bo15b2o$b2o34bo22b5o$2bo33b
2o23bobo$2bobo9b2o6b2o28b2o8bo4b2o$3b2o9b2o7bo17bo9b3o2bobo7bo2bo9bo$
20b3o19bo9b2o2bo2bo6bobo8bo2bob4o$20bo14b2o2bo2b2o12bobo8bo10bo6bo$34b
3obobob3o12bo16bo3bo5bo$11b2o4b2o16b2o2bo2b2o29b2o8bo$11bobo3bobo16bo
5bo3b2o5b2o18b2ob2o2b2o$12bo6bo17b5o4bobo5bo7bob2o8bo$19b2o17b3o7bo2b
3o8b2obo8b3o$39bo8bobo22b5o$2o45b2ob2o15b2ob3o4b2o10b2o$o2bo63b2ob2o17b
2o$b3o62b2ob3o$66b3o$b3o3b2o27b2ob2o26bobo10bo$obo4b2o23b2o3bob2o2b2o
23b2o9bobo$o3bo27bo2bobo6bo35bobob2o$b3obo28b2ob7o34bobobobobo$3bobo13b
o16bo40bobobo4bo$4bo15bo15bob4o35bobobob3o$18b3o16b2o2bo36bo3b2o!
guntrue_1077 reduced below 6000 (6438 -> 5985) - also worked on guntrue_1101

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x = 95, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
44b2o$43bobo$37b2o4bo$35bo2bo2b2ob4o$35b2obobobobo2bo$38bobobobo17bo$
38bobob2o18b3o11b2o$39bo25bo10b2o$34bo29b2o$32b3o17b2o$31bo11b2o7bo$30b
obo10b2o5bobo$30bobo17b2o21bo18b2o$31bo40bobo17b2o$71bo3bo$71bo3bo$70b
3ob3o$58bo12bo3bo$15b2o41b3o10bo3bo$15b2o23b2o19bo10bobo$41bo18b2o5b2o
4bo$38b3o$38bo24bo5bo7b2o12bo$35b2obo23b2o5bo7b2o7b2o2bobo$35bobob2o21b
o23bobo2bobo$17b2o18bo2bo22b2o3bo20b2o2bo$18bo9b2o7b2o25b3o23bobo$17b
o10b2o57bo2bob2o$17b2o67bobobo$20b2o48b2o15bo2b4o$17b2ob2o19bo29bo16b
2o3bo$18bo20b3o26b3o20bo$16bo3b2o16bo29bo19b2ob2o$16b4o2bo15b2o48b2o$
19bobobo67b2o$16b2obo2bo57b2o10bo$17bobo23b3o25b2o7b2o9bo$16bo2b2o20b
o3b2o22bo2bo18b2o$16bobo2bobo23bo21b2obobo$17bobo2b2o7b2o7bo5b2o23bob
2o$18bo12b2o7bo5bo24bo$69b3o$36bo4b2o5b2o18bo$17bo17bobo10bo19b2o23b2o
$17b3o14bo3bo10b3o41b2o$11bo8bo13bo3bo12bo$11b3o5b2o12b3ob3o$14bo19bo
3bo$13b2o19bo3bo$35bobo40bo$4b2o30bo21b2o17bobo$3bobo51bobo5b2o10bobo
$3bo53bo7b2o11bo$2obo7bo44b2o17b3o$bobob2o2b3o13bo18b2o29bo$bobob2o2b
2o13bobo5b2o10bo25bo$2obo7bo13bo6b2o11b3o18b2obobo$o2b4o3bo10b2o24bo17b
obobobo$b2o3bo3bo10bobo38bo2bobobobob2o$3b2o18bo38b4ob2o2bo2bo$3bo13b
o5b2o41bo4b2o$5bo12bo45bobo$4b2o10b3o45b2o!
EDIT 3:
guntrue_1029 reduced (4473 -> 4270), though it might be reducible with a weld for the tremi-snark

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x = 70, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
20bo11bo$20b3o7b3o$23bo5bo$22b2o5b2o15bo$44b3o$43bo$43b2o3$35bo6b2o16b
o2b2o$33b2ob2o4b2o16b4obo$18b2o16b2o27bo$17bobo12bo3bobo19b7ob2o$17bo
39bo6bobo2bo$16b2o15bo23b2o2b2obo3b2o$34b3o24b2ob2o$35b2o$30b2o21b2o$
49b2obobo6b2o$44b2o2bo2b2o8b2ob2o$9bo19bo2bo11bobo2bo3bo6b2obo$9b3o17b
o17b2ob2obo$12bo17bo17bobo2bobo$11b2o14b3o10bo4bo2bo2bo2b2o$27bo13b2o
bobob3o$40b2o3bobo21bo$3b2o41bo2b2o16bobo$3bo43b2ob3o15b2o$2obo49bo$o
2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o$b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo13b2o$3b4o57bo$3bo15b2o18b2o24b3o$4b
3o12bobo8b2o7b2o26bo$7bo13bo9bo$2b5o14b2o8bobo$2bo29b2o$4bo$3b2o24bo$
27b3o24b2o$26bo26bobo$26b2o25bo$52b2o$51bo$50b4o$48b2o4bo$37bo8bobob3o
2bo$36bobo5b3o6b2o$16b2o18bobo4bo4b2ob2o$15bobo5b2o12bo6b4o4bo$15bo7b
2o9b3o11b4o$14b2o18bo11bo2bo$46b2o$28bo$24b2obobo$23bobobobo$20bo2bob
obobob2o$20b4ob2o2bo2bo$24bo4b2o$22bobo$22b2o!
guntrue_1119 reduced below 7000 (7474 -> 6976)

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x = 109, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
44b2o$43bobo17b2o11bo$37b2o4bo19b2o10bobo$35bo2bo2b2ob4o27bobo2b2o3bo
$35b2obobobobo2bo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo$38bobobobo33bobo3bobo$38bobob2o30b2o
bo2b4obo$39bo34b2obobo3bo$34bo43bobo3bo15b2o$32b3o17b2o25bobo3bo14bo$
31bo11b2o7bo27bo3b2o12bobo$30bobo10b2o5bobo41b2o2b2o$30bobo17b2o42b2o
$31bo$71b2o$71b2o$52b2o2b2o$52bo2bo2bo$15b2o36b2ob2o$15b2o23b2o12bobo
50b2o$41bo12bobo50bo$38b3o14bo12b2o35bobo$38bo29bo36b2o$35b2obo30b3o$
35bobob2o30bo10b2o$17b2o18bo2bo40bobo$18bo9b2o7b2o42bo$17bo10b2o50b2o
22b2o$17b2o85bo$20b2o66b2o15b3o$17b2ob2o65bobo17bo$18bo68bo$16bo3b2o64b
2o15b2o$16b4o2bo80bobo$19bobobo81bo$16b2obo2bo18bo4b2o57b2o$17bobo19b
3o3bobo$16bo2b2o17bo8bo$16bobo2bobo14b2o35bo$17bobo2b2o51b3o$18bo51bo
7bo$69b2o6b2o$69bobo$17bo$17b3o$11bo8bo$11b3o5b2o$14bo34bo$13b2o32b3o
37b2o$46bo33b2o5bobo$4b2o41bo32b2o7bo$3bobo40b2o41b2o$3bo41bo2b2o$2ob
o7bo33b3o2bo25bo$bobob2o2b3o13bo23bo25bobob2o$bobob2o2b2o13bobo5b2o3b
2o6b4o26bobobobo$2obo7bo13bo6b2o3b2o7bo25b2obobobobo2bo$o2b4o3bo10b2o
21bo27bo2bo2b2ob4o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo20b2o28b2o4bo$3b2o18bo56bobo$3bo13b
o5b2o56b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
EDIT 4:
ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 3:36 pm I agree that it is fine, but I was unable to find one. It is just harder to search for. (Edit: And I'm pretty sure it's impossible in this case.)
Would it be likely to exist if there were more rows available below? (i.e. for period-multiplied guns)
Last edited by WhiteHawk on December 13th, 2025, 11:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 4:01 pm Wow! That is a really great reduction (too bad it doesn't reduce guntrue_1002 too, though I guess it's better for population)

I bet a lot of guns could use that reduction to the period-3 eater in terms of bounding box. Wish that population reduction fix would also be admitted to catagolue's algorithm.

EDIT: Proof of concept guntrue_477 (4180 -> 4104). I guess I challenge you to also find a p3 weld for that first bumper

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x = 76, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
64b2o$64b2o2$74b2o$74bo$72bobo$72b2o$56b2o$46b2o8b2o$47bo$47bobo22b2o
$25b2o16b2o3b2o22bobo$9b2o14bo17bo30bo$9b2o12bobo18bo29b2o$23b2o18b2o
$9b4o$9bo3bo56b2o$12bo57b2o$12bobo$13b2o$9b2o29b2o$9bo30b2o$7bobo$7b2o
$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o3$6b2o43b2o$5bo2bo43bo$6bobo40b3o$7bo41bo23b2o$73b2o$
60b2o$6bo48b2o2bo2bo$b2o3bo45bo2bo4bobo7b2o$bo2b3obo42bobobo5bo8bobob
2o$2b3o4b2o41bo2bob2o9bobob2obo$5bo2bo46bo2bo9b2o$bob2o2bobobo13b2o11b
o17bo4bo$b2obob2obo2b2o12b2o8b3o18b5o$4bo2bobo3bobo9bo9bo$4b2o2bo7bo18b
2o22bo$15b2o4b2o11b2o22bobo$9bo10b3o10b2o24bo$4b2o3bobo8bo2bo6bo3bo$4b
o2bo5b2o5b2obo4b3ob3o$5b6ob3o6b2o10bo$10bobo2bo12b6o$7b2obobo2bo2b2o8b
2obo23bo$7b2obobo2bo3bo7b2o27bo$11bo5b2o35b3o!
Thanks! Unfortunately, that weld is impossible.
WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 12:27 pm EDIT 2:
guntrue_1035 also reduced (3850 -> 3780)

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x = 70, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
8b2o5b2o15b2obob2o$7bo2bobobo2bo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$7b2obobo3b2o7b2obob
2obo4bobo$8bobo22b5obo$8bob4o15b2obo4bo$6b3o20b2obobo3bo$7b2o24bobo3b
o15b2o$6bobo25bo3b2o15bo$3b3obo45bobo$49b2o2b2o$49b2o2$26b2o$26b2o$11b
2o48b2o$10bo2bo47b2o$9bob2o$9bo55b2o$8b2o55b2o$3b2o18b2o$4bo18bo$2bo21b
3o$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o$7bo13bo2bo11bobo$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo$3bo15b2o14b2o
32bo$3b4o60bobo$b2o3bo3b2o47b2o7b2o$o2b3o4b2o48bo$2obo53b3o$3bo45b2o6b
o$3b2o22bo21b2o$27b3o$30bo$11b2o16b2o$12bo$9b3o$9bo22bobo$32b2o$33bo2$
39b2o$32b2o5bobo$32b2o7bo$41b2o2$28bo$27bobob2o$27bobobobo$24b2obobob
obo2bo$24bo2bo2b2ob4o$26b2o4bo$32bobo$33b2o!
That gun explodes; were you meaning this?

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x = 70, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
8b2o6bo15b2obob2o$7bo2bo3b2obo7bob2obo2bob2o2bo$7b2ob5ob2o7b2obob2obo
4bobo$8bobo2bo19b5obo$7bo2bo2bo15b2obo4bo$9bo2bo16b2obobo3bo$6b2o25bob
o3bo15b2o$4bo3bo25bo3b2o15bo$3bo3bo45bobo$4bobo42b2o2b2o$49b2o2$26b2o$
26b2o$11b2o48b2o$10bo2bo47b2o$9bob2o$9bo55b2o$8b2o55b2o$3b2o18b2o$4bo
18bo$2bo21b3o$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o$7bo13bo2bo11bobo$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo$3b
o15b2o14b2o32bo$3b4o60bobo$b2o3bo3b2o47b2o7b2o$o2b3o4b2o48bo$2obo53b3o
$3bo45b2o6bo$3b2o22bo21b2o$27b3o$30bo$11b2o16b2o$12bo$9b3o$9bo22bobo$
32b2o$33bo2$39b2o$32b2o5bobo$32b2o7bo$41b2o2$28bo$27bobob2o$27bobobobo
$24b2obobobobo2bo$24bo2bo2b2ob4o$26b2o4bo$32bobo$33b2o!
WhiteHawk wrote: December 13th, 2025, 12:27 pm EDIT 3:
guntrue_1029 reduced (4473 -> 4270), though it might be reducible with a weld for the tremi-snark

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x = 70, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
20bo11bo$20b3o7b3o$23bo5bo$22b2o5b2o15bo$44b3o$43bo$43b2o3$35bo6b2o16b
o2b2o$33b2ob2o4b2o16b4obo$18b2o16b2o27bo$17bobo12bo3bobo19b7ob2o$17bo
39bo6bobo2bo$16b2o15bo23b2o2b2obo3b2o$34b3o24b2ob2o$35b2o$30b2o21b2o$
49b2obobo6b2o$44b2o2bo2b2o8b2ob2o$9bo19bo2bo11bobo2bo3bo6b2obo$9b3o17b
o17b2ob2obo$12bo17bo17bobo2bobo$11b2o14b3o10bo4bo2bo2bo2b2o$27bo13b2o
bobob3o$40b2o3bobo21bo$3b2o41bo2b2o16bobo$3bo43b2ob3o15b2o$2obo49bo$o
2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o$b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo13b2o$3b4o57bo$3bo15b2o18b2o24b3o$4b
3o12bobo8b2o7b2o26bo$7bo13bo9bo$2b5o14b2o8bobo$2bo29b2o$4bo$3b2o24bo$
27b3o24b2o$26bo26bobo$26b2o25bo$52b2o$51bo$50b4o$48b2o4bo$37bo8bobob3o
2bo$36bobo5b3o6b2o$16b2o18bobo4bo4b2ob2o$15bobo5b2o12bo6b4o4bo$15bo7b
2o9b3o11b4o$14b2o18bo11bo2bo$46b2o$28bo$24b2obobo$23bobobobo$20bo2bob
obobob2o$20b4ob2o2bo2bo$24bo4b2o$22bobo$22b2o!
It can be (4270 -> 4209):

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x = 69, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
20bo11bo$20b3o7b3o$23bo5bo$22b2o5b2o15bo$44b3o$43bo$43b2o3$42b2o$42b2o
15bo2b2o$18b2o14b3o22b4obo$17bobo14bo2bo26bo$17bo14b2o2b2o19b7ob2o$16b
2o13bo5bo18bo6bobo2bo$34b3o19b2o2b2obo3b2o$31b2o27b2ob2o$31bo2b3o$32bo
2bo13b2o2b2o$32b2o10b2o2bo2bo2bo5b2o$9bo34bobo2bobobo6b2ob2o$9b3o17b2o
16b2ob2ob2o4b2obo$12bo17bo8bo8bo$11b2o14b3o10b2o3bo2bob2ob2o$27bo11b2o
3bobob2obob2o$45bobo$3b2o41bo2b2o17bo$3bo43b2ob3o13bobo$2obo49bo13b2o$
o2b3o4b2o35b2ob3o$b2o3bo3b2o35b2obo$3b4o56b2o$3bo15b2o18b2o22bo$4b3o
12bobo8b2o7b2o23b3o$7bo13bo9bo34bo$2b5o14b2o8bobo$2bo29b2o$4bo$3b2o24b
o$27b3o24b2o$26bo26bobo$26b2o25bo$52b2o$48bo$47bo3b3o$54bo$37bo8bobo2b
2o2bo$36bobo5b3obobo2b2o$16b2o18bobo4bo4b2ob2o$15bobo5b2o12bo6b4o4bo$
15bo7b2o9b3o11b4o$14b2o18bo11bo2bo$46b2o$28bo$24b2obobo$23bobobobo$20b
o2bobobobob2o$20b4ob2o2bo2bo$24bo4b2o$22bobo$22b2o!
Surprisingly, the more welded version has a lower minpop/statorpop than the previous version.

Also guntrue_279 with a p3 eater (4366 -> 4248):

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x = 72, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
42b2o$42bobo$44bo4b2o$40b4ob2o2bo2bo10bo$24b2o14bo2bobobobob2o10bo$23b
obo17bobobobo13bo$17b2o4bo20b2obobo14bobo$15bo2bo2b2ob4o20bo14bob2o2b
2o$15b2obobobobo2bo25bo10b6obo$8bo9bobobobo9b2o17b3o15bo$7bobo8bobob2o
11bo7b2o11bo10b4o$19bo15bobo5b2o10bobo9bo$6bo2bo26b2o17bobo9bob2o$b2ob
obobo23b2o22bo10bo$ob2o3bo15b2o7bo37bo$o4bo17b2o5bobo38bo$b4o25b2o37bo
bo$2bo66b2o$2bo2bo$2b3o41b2o$b2o43bo$bo45b3o$obo45bo2bo$b2o17b2o24bo3b
2o$21bo11bo12b2o$18b3o12b2o34b2o$5b2o11bo13bobo23b2o9bo$4bo2bo50b2o10b
o$5bobo61b2o$6bo59b2o$66b2ob2o$bo67bo$bobo62b2o3bo$bo3bo59bo2b4o$5b2o
57bobobo$2b2ob2o39bo18bo2bob2o$5b2o39b3o19bobo$3bo3b2o40bo17b2o2bo$5bo
42b2o14bobo2bobo$6bo3bo53b2o2bobo$8b2obo8b2o4b2o41bo$11bo7bo2bo3b2o$
11b2o6bobo4b2o$20bo6b2o18b3o20bo$26bo20bo20b3o$15b2o8bobo3b4o13bo18bo$
16bo8bo2bob2o35b2o$13b3o8b2o4b2o6bo$13bo16b2o6b3o$29b2o10bo$40bo$40b2o
$38b2o2bo$37bo2b3o$38bo23bo8bo$39b4o6b2o3b2o5bobo5bobo$41bo7b2o3b2o6bo
7b2o$43bo$42b2o!
EDIT: Replaced above with lower population version. Note that the lower population snark-syringe weld is the same displacement as the compact eater weld, but with fewer cells.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 7:07 pm That gun explodes; were you meaning this?
Yes, thanks for fixing it!
ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 7:07 pm It can be (4270 -> 4209): Surprisingly, the more welded version has a lower minpop/statorpop than the previous version.
guntrue_1116 (EDIT: Weirdly unrelated to the reductions of 279n guns in either this post or Elijah Ken's) can be reduced in this manner too (4071 -> 4012)

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x = 68, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
37bo$37bo6bo$37bo4b3o$41bo$14b2o25b2o$14bo$11b2obo$12bob2o24b2o$11bo28b
obo15bo2b2o$11b5o17b3o6bo15b4obo$16bo16bo2bo4bo21bo$11b2ob2o15b2o2b2o
5b3o11b7ob2o$11b2obo15bo5bo7bo10bo6bobo2bo$16bo16b3o19b2o2b2obo3b2o$15b
2o13b2o27b2ob2o$30bo2b3o$31bo2bo13b2o2b2o$31b2o10b2o2bo2bo2bo5b2o$43b
obo2bobobo6b2ob2o$46b2ob2ob2o4b2obo$38bo8bo$39b2o3bo2bob2ob2o$38b2o3b
obob2obob2o$44bobo$45bo2b2o17bo$46b2ob3o13bobo$2o5b2o43bo13b2o$bo5b2o
37b2ob3o$bobo42b2obo$2b2o58b2o$6b2o30b2o22bo$5bobo21b2o7b2o23b3o$6bo23b
o34bo$30bobo$31b2o2$28bo$3b5o18b3o$b3obob3o15bo$o4bo4bo14b2o$ob2o2bob
2obo$bo2b2o3bobo35bo$2b2o2bo2bobob2o32bo$4bo4bobob2o$4b4ob2o25bo8bo3b
o$8bo26bobo5b3obob3o$6bobo6b2o18bobo4bo4b2o3bo$6b2o6bobo5b2o12bo4bobo
b2o2b2obo$14bo7b2o9b3o5bob2o2b2o2bo$13b2o18bo4b2obobob2o2b2o$38b2obob
obo2bo$27bo14b2ob4o$23b2obobo15bo$22bobobobo15bobo$19bo2bobobobob2o13b
2o$19b4ob2o2bo2bo$23bo4b2o$21bobo$21b2o!
Also, guntrue_1199 reduced by over 1000 cells (6716 -> 5500)

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x = 100, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
39b2o42b2o$20b2obob2o12b2o41bo2bo12b2o$15bo3bo2b2obo2bob2obo49b2o13bo
$13b3o2bobo4bob2obob2o36b2o24bobo$12bo6bob5o40b2o3bo24b2o$12b2o7bo4bo
b2o33bo2bo2bo21bo$20bo3bobob2o33b3o2b3o19bobo$19bo3bobo40b2o23bo$19b2o
3bo40bo2b3o25b2o$64bob2o2bo25bobo$64bo3b2o28bo$3b2o57b2ob2o31b2o$3b2o
23b2o33bobo$26b2ob2o32bo2bo$26bo2bo34b2o24b2o$26bo2bo16b2o37b2o4bo$2o
25b2o16bo2bo36b2o3bo$2o44b2obo39bo$49bo35b5obo$49b2o25bo8bo4bobo$34b2o
39bobo9bo2bobo$35bo39bobo8b2o3bo$32b3o41bo$20b2o10bo13bo33b2o$20bobo22b
2o17b2o14bobo$22bo22bobo15bobo16bo$5bobobo12b2o41bo16b2o$b2o2b3o2bo16b
o$b2o3bo20b3o$6bo23bo$6bo4bo5bo11b2o11b2o25bo$6bo8b3o24b2o24bobo$7b3o
4bo53bobo$3bo10b2o16b2o33b2ob2o$b3o28bob2o27b2o$o34bo27bobo$ob2o29bob
o29bo$bo2bo8bo14bobo2b2o29bo3bo$2b2o10bo13b2o35b4o$12b3o2b2o10bo23b2o
$17b2o33bobo12b2o$52bo14b2o$51b2o2$26bo3b2o$25bobo3bo$24bobo3bo12b2o$
20b2obobo3bo13bobo$20b2obo2b4obo13bo$24bobo3bobo12b2o$20b2ob2o2bo2bob
o$21bobo2b2o3bo65bo$9b2o10bobo74bo$9b2o11bo73b3o!
EDIT:
ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 7:07 pm Also guntrue_279 with a p3 eater (4366 -> 4248): EDIT: Replaced above with lower population version. Note that the lower population snark-syringe weld is the same displacement as the compact eater weld, but with fewer cells.
guntrue_837 and guntrue_1674 also get reductions (5670 -> 5544) - pattern below in p837, remove the rightmost glider for p1674

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x = 88, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
44b2o$43bobo$37b2o4bo$35bo2bo2b2ob4o$35b2obobobobo2bo14b2o$38bobobobo
17bobo$38bobob2o20bo4b2o$39bo20b4ob2o2bo2bo$34bo25bo2bobobobob2o$32b3o
17b2o9bobobobo9bo$31bo11b2o7bo11b2obobo8bobo$30bobo10b2o5bobo15bo$30b
obo17b2o26bo2bo$31bo22b2o23bobobob2o$15b2o38bo7b2o15bo3b2obo$16bo38bo
bo5b2o17bo4bo$16bobo37b2o25b4o$17b2o66bo$82bo2bo$40b2o41b3o$41bo43b2o
$38b3o45bo$36bo2bo45bobo$36b2o3bo24b2o17b2o$40b2o12bo11bo$17b2o34b2o12b
3o$18bo9b2o23bobo13bo11b2o$17bo10b2o50bo2bo$17b2o61bobo$20b2o59bo$17b
2ob2o$18bo67bo$16bo3b2o62bobo$16b4o2bo59bo3bo$19bobobo57b2o$16b2obo2b
o18bo39b2ob2o$17bobo19b3o39b2o$16bo2b2o17bo40b2o3bo$16bobo2bobo14b2o42b
o$17bobo2b2o53bo3bo$18bo41b2o4b2o8bob2o$60b2o3bo2bo7bo$60b2o4bobo6b2o
$17bo20b3o18b2o6bo$17b3o20bo20bo$11bo8bo18bo13b4o3bobo8b2o$11b3o5b2o35b
2obo2bo8bo$14bo34bo6b2o4b2o8b3o$13b2o32b3o6b2o16bo$46bo10b2o$4b2o41bo
$3bobo40b2o$3bo41bo2b2o$2obo7bo33b3o2bo$bobob2o2b3o13bo23bo$bobob2o2b
2o13bobo5b2o3b2o6b4o$2obo7bo13bo6b2o3b2o7bo$o2b4o3bo10b2o21bo$b2o3bo3b
o10bobo20b2o$3b2o18bo$3bo13bo5b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
EDIT 2: guntrue_231 reduced (3996 -> 3672)

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x = 68, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
21b2obob2o15b2o5b2o$20bo2b2obo2bob2obo7bo3bo2bo2bo$19bobo4bob2obob2o7b
2o2bo2bob2o$20bob5o19bo2bobo$22bo4bob2o16b3obo$21bo3bobob2o16b2o4bo$20b
o3bobo23bo$15bo4b2o3bo25bob3o$13b3o36b4o$12bo21bobo18bo$12b2o18bo2b2o
$8b2o21b3o$8b2o2$47b2o$46bo2bo$47b2obo$b2o47bo$b2o47b2o$35b2o$36bo$33b
3o23b2o$21b2o10bo25b2o$21bobo$2b2o19bo$3bo19b2o42bo$3o62b3o$o42b2o19b
o$44bo19b2o$44bobo$7b2o25bo10b2o$7b2o23b3o$31bo$31b2o$16b2o47b2o$17bo
47b2o$17bob2o$18bo2bo$19b2o2$6b2o4b2ob2o41b2o$7bo4bob2obo16b3o21b2o$7b
ob2obo4bo13b2o2bo18b2o$5b2o2bobob4ob2o11bobo21bo$6bobo2bobo4bobo22bo3b
2o3b3o$5bo2b2obob2o2b2obo21bobo3bo3bo$6b2o3bob2obobob2o19bobo3bo$8b2o
2b3o2b2o4bo13b2obobo3bo$8bo5bo4b3obo13b2obo2b4obo$9bo5b4o4bo17bobo3bo
bo$8b2o8bob2o15b2ob2o2bo2bobo$15b2obobo11bo5bobo2b2o3bo$15b2obobo12bo
4bobo$19bo11b3o5bo!
guntrue_693 reduced below 5000 cells (5037 -> 4692)

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x = 69, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
25b2o$26bo7b2o$26bobo5b2o$27b2o4$21b2o$21b2o17b2o$40b2o$59bo2b2o$8bo25b
3o22b4obo$7bobo24bo2bo4b2o20bo$32b2o2b2o4bobo12b7ob2o$6bo2bo21bo5bo6b
o11bo6bobo2bo$b2obobobo25b3o7b2o10b2o2b2obo3b2o$ob2o3bo10bo12b2o27b2o
b2o$o4bo10b3o12bo2b3o$b4o10bo16bo2bo13b2o2b2o$2bo11bobo15b2o10b2o2bo2b
o2bo5b2o$2bo2bo8bobo27bobo2bobobo6b2ob2o$2b3o10bo13b2o16b2ob2ob2o4b2o
bo$b2o27bo8bo8bo$bo25b3o10b2o3bo2bob2ob2o$obo24bo11b2o3bobob2obob2o$b
2o42bobo$46bo2b2o17bo$47b2ob3o13bobo$53bo13b2o$47b2ob3o$47b2obo$19b2o
42b2o$19bobo17b2o22bo$b2o18bo8b2o7b2o23b3o$2bo9b2o7b2o8bo34bo$bo10b2o
17bobo$b2o29b2o$4b2o$b2ob2o$2bo51b2o$o3b2o47bobo$4o2bo46bo$3bobobo44b
2o$2obo2bo5b2o11bo22bo$bobo7b2o10b3o21bo3b3o$o2b2o8bo8bo31bo$obo2bobo
14b2o13bo8bobo2b2o2bo$bobo2b2o28bobo5b3obobo2b2o$2bo16b2o15bobo4bo4b2o
b2o$17bo2bo16bo6b4o4bo$16b3o2bo12b3o11b4o$20b2o12bo11bo2bo$7b2o7b3o27b
2o$8bo6bo5bo$8bobo4b2o2b2o$9b2o4bo2bo$16b3o2$11b2o$11b2o17b2o$30b2o4$
24b2o$17b2o5bobo$17b2o7bo$26b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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I wonder if this pseudo-gun_29 could be reduced by 2011 cells and set a record. (Currently 11,220, and the record is 9,212 cell BB.)

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x = 117, y = 108, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$24b2o$18bo$17b3o$17b3o$23b2o$14b6o3bobo$5b2o3b2obo2bobob2o$5b2o
2bobo4bobob2o2bo$9bobo2bobobobo$14bob2ob3obo$11b2o6b3o4b2o$12b5o3bo2bo
2bobo$21bobo4bo$22bo5b2o$97b3o$3bo94bo$3b3o17b2o$6bo16bo68b3o7b3o5b2o$
5b2o17b3o64bobo3b3o3bobo4b2o$26bo78bo$94b2o5b2ob2o$2o5bo81bo3bo3bobo3b
o$bo4bobo79bob2ob3o5b3o$bobo2bo2bo3b5o70bo$2b2o4b3o6b2o22bo45b2o$6bob
3ob2obo23b3o$9bobobobo2bobo17bo74bo$5bo2b2obobo4bobo2b2ob2o10b2o52b2o
17b3o$8b2obobo2bob2o3b2obo66bo16bo$4bobo3b6o10bo63b3o17b2o$5b2o19bobo
61bo$10b3o14b2o$10b3o22b2o78b2o$11bo22bo2bo77bo$35b2o63b3o5b3ob2obo$
100bo3bobo3bo3bo$27b2o69b2ob2o5b2o$25b2ob2o68bo$10b3o12b4o63b2o4bobo3b
3o3bobo$11bo14b2o10b2o7bo44b2o5b3o7b3o$6bo4bobo24bo9b2o$6bob3o2b4o22b
3o5b2o56bo$11bobo4b2o9b2o3b2o5bo62b3o$6bo5b2o5bo3b2o6bobo$6bo2b2o8bo3b
2o3bo7bo$7bo4b4ob2o10b2o3b2o$11bo3bo75bo2bo$2b2o7bo2b2o45b4o25bo$bobo
7bo2b2o45bo3bo24bo3bo$bo11b3o37b3o5bo28b4o11bo$2o53bo6bo2bo39bo$54bo
49bobo$26bo73bo9bo$5b2o17b3o73bo9b2o$6bo16bo37bobo28b2o4b4ob2ob2obob2o
$3b3o17b2o37b2o28b2o3b2o4bobob4o$3bo58bo33bo5bo2bo4bo$97b2o2b3o3bo2bo$
28b2o70bo2bo3bo5b2o$14b3o11bo71bobo5b2o3bobo$14b2o2bo7bobo71bobo5b3o4b
o$14b2o2bo7b2o42bo44b2o$14bo3bo49bobo$11b2ob4o4bo16b2o28b2o19bo$5b2o3b
o8b2o2bo14bobo49b3o17b2o$5b2o3bo5b2o5bo5b2o9bo5b2o45bo16bo$10b2o4bobo
11bo15bo45b2o17b3o$13b4o2b3obo6bobo11bobo66bo$16bobo4bo7b2o11b2o30bo$
18bo58b2o8b2o$17b3o56b2o10bo4b3o5bobo$48b3o37bobo3b2o5bobo$40bo6b3o39b
2o5bo3bo2bo$38b4o51bo2bo3b3o2b2o$37b2o3bo50bo4bo2bo5bo$36bo3b2o42bo8b
4obobo4b2o3b2o$37b4o6b3o35bo5b2obob2ob2ob4o4b2o$18bo17b3o9b3o12bo19b3o
6b2o9bo$16b3o16b2o26b3o27bo9bo$15bo16bo3bo29bo30bobo$15b2o6b2o7b4o21b
2o6b2o31bo$23bo34bo39bo$20b2obo8b2o14b2o8bobo$22bo9b2o14b2o9b2o29bobo$
18bo72b2o$17bo3bo69bo$15bo5bo36bobo6bo$14bo7bo44b2o$14bo3b2o3bo33bo11b
o$14b2o5bobo17b3o14b2o7b2o$22bo18bo2bo22bo31bo$41bo55bobo$41bo56b2o$
22bo19bobo6bo$21bobo5b2o19b2o7b2o$21bo3b2o3bo18bo11bo$22bo7bo19b2o$23b
o5bo21bo6bobo44bo$23bo3bo78b2o$26bo78b2o$11b2o9bo35b2o9b2o$11b2o8bob2o
33bobo8b2o$21bo38bo$20b2o6b2o22b2o6b2o$29bo22bo60bo$26b3o24b3o58bo$26b
o28bo56b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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ElijahKen wrote: December 13th, 2025, 8:48 pm I wonder if this pseudo-gun_29 could be reduced by 2011 cells and set a record. (Currently 11,220, and the record is 9,212 cell BB.)
That pattern isn't 11220 cells, but here is the smallest form I could make based on it at 10804 cells

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x = 107, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
26bo28bo$26b3o24b3o$29bo22bo$20b2o6b2o22b2o6b2o$21bo38bo$11b2o8bobo34b
obo8b2o$11b2o9b2o34b2o9b2o$25b2o$25b2o$25bo2bo29b2o$25bo2b2o21b2o6bo$
22b2o2bo3bo19b2o8bo$21b2o6b2o9bobo8b2o7bo27bo$43bo15bo27b3o$43bo43b3o
$40bo2bo38b2o$41b3o15bo21bobo3b6o$14b2o6b2o34bo7b2o17b2obobo2bob2o3b2o
$14bo3bo2b2o35bo8b2o13bo2b2obobo4bobo2b2o$15b2o2bo39bo6b2o18bobobobo2b
obo$16bo2bo39b2o22bob3ob2obo$18b2o59b2o4b3o6b2o$18b2o58bobo2bo2bo3b5o
$21b2o9b2o14b2o9b2o17bo4bobo$21bobo8b2o14b2o8bobo16b2o5bo$23bo34bo$15b
2o6b2o7b4o21b2o6b2o36bo$15bo16bo3bo29bo15b2o17b3o$16b3o16b2o26b3o17bo
16bo$18bo29b3o12bo16b3o17b2o$38b2o7b3o30bo$37b2obo$38bob2o57bo5b2o$39b
2o57bobo4bo$47b3o39b5o3bo2bo2bobo$48b3o37b2o6b3o4b2o$91bob2ob3obo$86b
obo2bobobobo$31b2o11b2o36b2o2bobo4bobob2o2bo$30bobo11bobo35b2o3b2obo2b
obob2o$30bo8bo6bo44b6o3bobo$29b2o9bo5b2o52b2o$38b3o53b3o$94b3o$95bo2$
50b2o$45bo3b4o25b2o$45b2ob2ob2o24b2ob2o$44bobo2b2o27b4o12b3o$79b2o14b
o$93bobo4bo$90b4o2b3obo$87b2o4bobo$82b2o3bo5b2o5bo$54bo27b2o3bo8b2o2b
o$52bobo33b2ob4o4bo$53b2o36bo3bo$91b2o2bo7b2o$25b2o15b2o47b2o2bo7bobo
$26bo15bo48b3o11bo$26bobo11bobo62b2o$27b2o11b2o18bo$34b3o24b2o17bo$33b
o2bo8bo14b2o18b3o17b2o$33bob2o6bo2bo36bo16bo$34bo8bo2bo35b2o17b3o$44b
o58bo2$44bo23bo8b2o$43bo2bo22bo8bo11b3o$14bo28bo2bo12bo7b3o8bobo7bo2b
2o$12b3o16b2o12bo13b3o17b2o7bo2b2o$11bo16bo3bo29bo25bo3bo$11b2o6b2o7b
4o21b2o6b2o21bo4b4ob2o$19bo34bo28bo2b2o8bo3b2o$2o15bobo8b2o14b2o8bobo
26bo5b2o5bo3b2o$2o15b2o9b2o14b2o9b2o17bobo11bobo4b2o$75b2o6bob3o2b4o$
75bo7bo4bobo$88bo$23b2o24b2o36b3o$9bob2o10b2o26bo$12bo15bo20b2o7b3o$8b
o3b2o6b2o31bo3bo3bob3o17bo$8b2o4b3o3b3o12b3o16bobo3bo3b2o15bobo$14b3o
3b3o4b2o4b5o7b2o3bo3bobo25b2o$15b2o6b2o3bo4bo3b2o6b3obo3bo3bo$8bo15bo
9b2o2b2o10b3o7b2o$12b2o10b2obo7bo2b2o19bo$12b2o24b2o20b2o$37bo51bo$90b
2o$89b2o$7b2o9b2o34b2o9b2o$7b2o8bobo34bobo8b2o$17bo38bo$16b2o6b2o22b2o
6b2o$25bo22bo48bo$22b3o24b3o46bo$22bo28bo44b3o!
EDIT:
Period1GliderGun wrote: December 15th, 2025, 3:33 pm guntrue_229 reduction (4476 -> 4661)
Old bounding box was 4779 (EDIT 2: Neither reduction worked)

(also, thanks for remembering to specify guntrue over gun, but still linking to Catagolue and posting in regular RLE would also be more helpful)
Last edited by WhiteHawk on December 15th, 2025, 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Period1GliderGun »

guntrue_229 reduction (4476 -> 4661)

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x = 79, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
29.2A11.A$28.B2AB9.A.A$29.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$28.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$28.5B8.
B2.A.A3.A.A$28.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$28.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$29.13B2.A.AB2.A15.2A$27.
13B5.A.A2B.A14.A$26.15B5.A2B.2A11.BA.A$26.15B4.3B12.2A.B2A$25.17B.B.2B
12.B2A2B$25.29B6.4B$24.13B2A16B3.6B14.A$23.14B2A16B2.6B7.B5.3A$22.2AB
3.27B.7B6.2AB3.A$21.A2.A4.35B6.2A3.2A$20.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B5.2A5B$20.
A7.6B14.21B2.2A2B$19.2A6.9B14.21B2A4B$26.4B4.2A15.25BABA$25.4B5.A15.28B
A$24.A3B7.3A12.21BA6BA$23.B2AB10.A10.2AB.3B2.14BA2BA2BA$22.BABA21.A.A
B6.19B$21.4B22.A8.12B2.4B$11.2A7.4B22.2A7.12B3.2B2AB$10.B2AB5.4B31.10B
8.2A$10.3B5.4B31.4B.6B$11.B.B3.4B31.4B3.B.B$9.6B.4B31.4B5.3B$2A7.10B31.
4B5.B2AB$.A7.9B7.2A22.4B7.2A$.A.AB2.10B8.A22.4B$2.2AB.10B6.BA.A21.ABA
B$4.12B2.3B.B2A10.A10.B2AB$4.19B12.3A7.3BA$4.19B15.A5.4B$4.18B15.2A4.
4B$5.18B14.9B6.2A$6.19B14.6B7.A$7.21B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$9.35B4.A2.A$10.
7B.27B3.B2A$10.6B2.16B2A14B$9.6B3.16B2A13B$9.4B6.29B$9.2B2AB12.2B.B.17B
$7.2AB.2A12.3B4.15B$6.A.AB11.2A.2BA5.15B$6.A14.A.2BA.A5.13B$5.2A15.A2.
BA.A2.13B$23.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$21.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$20.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$20.A.
A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$21.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$29.A.A9.B2AB$30.A11.2A!
guntrue_233 reduction (4920 -> 4800)

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x = 80, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory
30.2A11.A$29.B2AB9.A.A$30.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$29.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$29.5B8.
B2.A.A3.A.A$29.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$29.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$30.13B2.A.AB2.A15.2A$28.
13B5.A.A2B.A14.A$27.15B5.A2B.2A11.BA.A$27.15B4.3B12.2A.B2A$26.17B.B.2B
12.B2A2B$26.29B6.4B$25.13B2A16B3.6B14.A$24.14B2A16B2.6B7.B5.3A$23.2AB
3.27B.7B6.2AB3.A$22.A2.A4.35B6.2A3.2A$21.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B5.2A5B$21.
A7.6B14.21B2.2A2B$20.2A6.9B14.21B2A4B$27.4B4.2A15.25BABA$26.4B5.A15.28B
A$25.4B7.3A12.21BA6BA$24.A3B10.A10.2AB.3B2.14BA2BA2BA$23.B2AB21.A.AB6.
19B$22.BABA22.A8.12B2.4B$21.4B22.2A7.12B3.2B2AB$11.2A7.4B31.10B8.2A$10.
B2AB5.4B31.4B.6B$10.3B5.4B31.4B3.B.B$11.B.B3.4B31.4B5.3B$9.6B.4B31.4B
5.B2AB$2A7.10B31.4B7.2A$.A7.9B7.2A22.4B$.A.AB2.10B8.A22.ABAB$2.2AB.10B
6.BA.A21.B2AB$4.12B2.3B.B2A10.A10.3BA$4.19B12.3A7.4B$4.19B15.A5.4B$4.
18B15.2A4.4B$5.18B14.9B6.2A$6.19B14.6B7.A$7.21B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$9.35B
4.A2.A$10.7B.27B3.B2A$10.6B2.16B2A14B$9.6B3.16B2A13B$9.4B6.29B$9.2B2A
B12.2B.B.17B$7.2AB.2A12.3B4.15B$6.A.AB11.2A.2BA5.15B$6.A14.A.2BA.A5.13B
$5.2A15.A2.BA.A2.13B$23.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$21.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$20.A.A3.A.A2.
B8.5B$20.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$21.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$29.A.A9.B2AB$30.A11.2A!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
[[ STEP 30 ]]
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by WhiteHawk »

Finally, a reduction that works, guntrue_1216 (5525 -> 3050)

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x = 50, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
27bo$18b2o5b3o$10b2o6b2o4bo$11bo12b2o$11bobo$12b2o$23b2o$23b2o2$b2o$2b
o$2bobo23b2o$3b2o6b2o5b4o6bobo$11b2o4bo3bo8bo$12bo3bo12b2ob2obo$2bo14b
2ob2o10bob2o$2bobo9bo2bo2bo11bo$bobo3b2o4b2o3b2o3b2o6b2o$3bo3bobo3bo4b
2o3b2o$8bo2$44b2o$43bo$40bo5bo$24b2o3b2o4bo3bobo2b2o$16b2o6b2o3b2o3b2o
4b2o4b3o$16bo11bo2bo2bo11b3o$13b2obo10b2ob2o12b2o$13bob2ob2o12bo3bo8b
o2bo$18bo8bo3bo4b2o7bo3bo$18bobo6b4o5b2o7bo$19b2o24bo2bo$46bo$44bobob
o$24b2o16b3ob2obo$19b2o3b2o15bo7bo$18bobo16bo3b5ob2o$17b3o15b3o3b2o2b
obo$17b2o18bo3b4o2bo$20b2o19bo3b2o$19b3o6bo13b3o$27bo16bo$12b2o13b3o$
11b3o5b2o11bo7b2o$10bob2o5b2o10bobo$9bobo20bo6bo3bo$9bo2bo25bo4bo$10b
2o17bo7bobobo$4b2o10b2o10bobo5bobobo$3bobo9bo2bo9bo2bo2bo4bo$3bo12b2o
11b3o2bo3bo$2obo7bo$bobob2o2b3o24b2o$bobob2o2b2o19b2o$2obo7bo18b2o$o2b
4o3bo10b2o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo$3b2o18bo$3bo13bo5b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
guntrue_608 (4814-> 2695)

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x = 49, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
26bo$17b2o5b3o$9b2o6b2o4bo$10bo12b2o$10bobo$11b2o$22b2o$22b2o$16b3o$2o
14b3o$bo14b3o$bobo10bo5bo6b2o$2b2o8b3o5b3o4bobo$8b3o6bo11bo$8bo7b3o9b
2ob2obo$bo6b3o2bob2ob2obo9bob2o$bobo9b4ob4o9bo$obo8b2ob2o3b2obo7b2o$2b
o$12b2o7b2o$13b2o5b2o$14bo5bo5bo5bo10b2o$25b2o5b2o8bo$24b2o7b2o10bo$43b
2o$15b2o7bob2o3b2ob2o9b3o$15bo9b4ob4o11b3o$12b2obo9bob2ob2obo2b3o4b2o
$12bob2ob2o9b3o7bo5bo2bo$17bo11bo6b3o5bo3bo$17bobo4b3o5b3o9bo$18b2o6b
o5bo11bo2bo$28b3o14bo$28b3o12bobobo$23b2o3b3o10b3ob2obo$23b2o15bo7bo$
17b2o17bo3b5ob2o$16b3o15b3o3b2o2bobo$15bob2o17bo3b4o2bo$14bobo23bo3b2o
$14bo2bo23b3o$15b2o26bo$9b2o10b2o$8bobo9bo2bo$8bo12b2o10b2o$5b2obo7bo
12b4o4b2o$6bobob2o2b3o12b3ob2o2b2o$6bobob2o2b2o18bo$5b2obo7bo$5bo2b4o
3bo10b2o$6b2o3bo3bo10bobo$8b2o18bo$8bo13bo5b2o$10bo12bo$9b2o10b3o!
EDIT: guntrue_912 reduced (3564-> 2914). Can it be reduced in a better way?

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x = 62, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8b2ob2o2b2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$2bobo3bob2o4bo18bo2b2o$
2bo2b3o5b2o3bo16b4obo$b2o5b3ob2o3b4o19bo$7b2o12bo11b7ob2o$b4o4bo2b4ob
3o2bo9bo6bobo2bo$bo3bo3b2o9b2o10b2o2b2obo3b2o$4bobob2o8b2o16b2ob2o6b2o
$3bo2bobob7ob2o3b2o22b2o$4bo7b4obob3o2bo$4bo14bob2o$19bo19bo6bob2o$11b
o8b3o4b2o9bobo5bobo$10bo3bo7bo3b3o9bobo6bo$10bo4bo9bob2o10bo7b2o$10bo
7bo5bobo20b2o$2o8bo2b2o4bo4bo2bo19b2o$2o9b2o2bo9b2o$11bobo3b2o$12b3o$
12bobo2b2o$14b2o2bobo11b3o$18b3o13bo4b2o$14b2o3bobo11bo5bo$17bo2b2o18b
3o$13bo4b2o2bo13b2o4bo$14bo7bo14bo$17bo4bo10b2o2bob2o$11b2o5bo3bo9bob
3obobo$11bo9bo10bo3b2o$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o$6bo2b4obo14b4o$6bobo2bo2bo2b4o
12bob4o$5b2ob2o3bob8o8bobobo2bo14bo$5bo2bob2o11bo6bobo3bob2o12bobo6bo
$7b2obo2bobo6b3o4bobo5bobo4b2o7bo5bobo$8bo2bobo3b4o2bob2o2bo8bo5b2obo
12b2o$6bo3b2obobo12b2o2bo15bo7bo$6b2o6b4ob3obo6b3o12bo9bobo$14bo3b5o2b
5o6b2o8bob2o4bo2bo$6b2o3bob4o3bo6bo3b4o2bo10b2o4bobo$6bo2bobo3bo2bo9b
2o5b2o17b3o$7bo3bo8b4o8bobo19b2o$9b2o4bobo4b3o3bobo3bo19b2o$16bo7bo5b
ob2o20b2o!
EDIT 2: guntrue_456 can also be reduced (2397 -> 2350). Can it improve the previous reduction?

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x = 50, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8b2ob2o2b2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$2bobo3bob2o4bo$2bo2b3o5b
2o3bo15bo2b2o$b2o5b3ob2o3b4o13b4obo$7b2o12bo17bo$b4o4bo2b4ob3o2bo9b7o
b2o$bo3bo3b2o9b2o9bo6bobo2bo$4bobob2o8b2o11b2o2b2obo3b2o$3bo2bobob7ob
2o3b2o10b2ob2o6b2o$4bo7b4obob3o2bo21b2o$4bo14bob2o23b2o$19bo8b2o17bo$
20b3o4bo2bo7bo7bobo$22bo3bobobo6bobo5b2obo$25b3obo7bobo$25b3o10bo$2o12b
2o30b2o$2o12b3o29b2o$13b2ob3o$17bo$12b2o3bo$15bo3b2o$15bo$14b3ob2o18b
2o$16b3o19bo10bo$17b2o20b3o5bobo$37bobo2bo5b2o$33b2o2b2o2b2o$11b2o19b
ob3o$11bo20bo3b3o$5b2o6bo15bo3b3o3bo$6bo2b4obo14b4o5bo$6bobo2bo2bo2b4o
13bobobo$5b2ob2o3bob8o8b3obo$5bo2bob2o11bo6bo3bobo$7b2obo2bobo6b3o4bo
2bo2bobo$8bo2bobo3b4o2bob2o2bob3obob3o$6bo3b2obobo12b2o5bo4bo$6b2o6b4o
b3obo6b5ob4o$14bo3b5o2b5o6bo$6b2o3bob4o3bo6bo3b4o2bo$6bo2bobo3bo2bo9b
2o5b2o$7bo3bo8b4o8bobo$9b2o4bobo4b3o3bobo3bo$16bo7bo5bob2o!
EDIT 3: Here is a population reduction to guntrue_498 using a much smaller p6 thumb that still can't be uploaded to Catagolue since it STILL hasn't been fixed & is limited from being a bb reduction by a spark

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x = 48, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bobo$5bo18b2o$5b2o18bo$24bo$3b4o17b2o$3bo2bo$4bo32b2o$b3o33b2o$
bo2$27b2o$2o9bo15b2o$obob2o4bobo34bo$2bob2o4bobo32bobo$bo9bo34b2o$b2o
b2o$2bobo$2bobo13b3ob2o$3bo8b3o3b3o21bo$12bobo3bob2o18b4o$11b2obo3bob
o19bo3bo$12b3o3b3o8bo6b2o5bo$9b2ob3o13bobo4bo3b3o2b3o$28bobo4bo2bo3b2o
2bo$27b2ob2o4bo3b2o2b2o$21bo11b3o5bobo$6b2o12bobo4b2ob2obo7bobo$6b2o12b
obo4b2obobo9bo$21bo3$31bo$29b3o$28bo$26bo2bo$26b4o2$26b2o$27bo$27bobo
$28b2o!
EDIT 4: guntrue_996 reduced with multiple useful techniques once I realized the x12 eater wouldn't react with any domino edge (3608 -> 3402) - this could likely be reduced by adding an x2 multiplying mechanism to the above guntrue_498 (EDIT: There were at least 3 easy points of compression, really surprised no one took care of this one yet)

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x = 79, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
16b2o56b2o$16bo56bobo$17bo35b2o18bo$4bo11b2o35bo18b2o$4b3o11b2o11bo22b
o$7bo8b2o2bo10b3o19b2o17b4o$6b2o9bobo14bo37bo2bo$b2o7bo4bobob2o12b2o39b
o$2bo6bobo3b2o8b2o48b3o$2bobo4bo2bo13bo50bo$3b2o5b2o14bobo$27b2o21b2o
$50b2o25b2o$b2o62b3o5b2obobo$2bo15bo46bo7b2obo$bo15bobo6b2o37b2o10bo$
b2o14b2o7bo46b2ob2o$4b2o18bobo47bobo$b2ob2o18b2o37b2o9bobo$obo10b2o48b
obo9bo$o3b4o4bo2bo42bo5b3o$b3o3bo5b2o43b3o5bo$4bo44bo9bobo$3b2o43bobo
9b2o$36bo11bobo$35b3o8b3ob2o$35bo2b2o5bo12b2o$40bo5b3ob2o7bo11b2o$16b
o20b2obo7bob2o5b3o11b2o$15bobo21bo$15bobo$16bo$20b2o21b2o3bo$20bobo20b
obobobo$22bo3b2o17bobo2bo$22b2obobo7bo9bo2b2o2bo$23bobo8bobo9b2o2b3o$
23bobo4b2obobo12bo$24bo4bobobobobo10b2ob2o$16bo12bo4bobobo10bobo$17bo
12b3obobobo10bobo$15b3o14b2o3bo12bo!
Last edited by WhiteHawk on December 16th, 2025, 6:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by ElijahKen »

WhiteHawk wrote: December 15th, 2025, 5:37 pm EDIT: guntrue_912 reduced (3564-> 2914). Can it be reduced in a better way?

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x = 62, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8b2ob2o2b2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$2bobo3bob2o4bo18bo2b2o$
2bo2b3o5b2o3bo16b4obo$b2o5b3ob2o3b4o19bo$7b2o12bo11b7ob2o$b4o4bo2b4ob
3o2bo9bo6bobo2bo$bo3bo3b2o9b2o10b2o2b2obo3b2o$4bobob2o8b2o16b2ob2o6b2o
$3bo2bobob7ob2o3b2o22b2o$4bo7b4obob3o2bo$4bo14bob2o$19bo19bo6bob2o$11b
o8b3o4b2o9bobo5bobo$10bo3bo7bo3b3o9bobo6bo$10bo4bo9bob2o10bo7b2o$10bo
7bo5bobo20b2o$2o8bo2b2o4bo4bo2bo19b2o$2o9b2o2bo9b2o$11bobo3b2o$12b3o$
12bobo2b2o$14b2o2bobo11b3o$18b3o13bo4b2o$14b2o3bobo11bo5bo$17bo2b2o18b
3o$13bo4b2o2bo13b2o4bo$14bo7bo14bo$17bo4bo10b2o2bob2o$11b2o5bo3bo9bob
3obobo$11bo9bo10bo3b2o$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o$6bo2b4obo14b4o$6bobo2bo2bo2b4o
12bob4o$5b2ob2o3bob8o8bobobo2bo14bo$5bo2bob2o11bo6bobo3bob2o12bobo6bo
$7b2obo2bobo6b3o4bobo5bobo4b2o7bo5bobo$8bo2bobo3b4o2bob2o2bo8bo5b2obo
12b2o$6bo3b2obobo12b2o2bo15bo7bo$6b2o6b4ob3obo6b3o12bo9bobo$14bo3b5o2b
5o6b2o8bob2o4bo2bo$6b2o3bob4o3bo6bo3b4o2bo10b2o4bobo$6bo2bobo3bo2bo9b
2o5b2o17b3o$7bo3bo8b4o8bobo19b2o$9b2o4bobo4b3o3bobo3bo19b2o$16bo7bo5b
ob2o20b2o!
It can be reduced more, if that is what you are asking (2914 -> 2867):

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x = 61, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8b2ob2o2b2o21bo2b2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo20b4obo$3bo2b2o4b3ob2o25bo$2bobo4b
3o4bo19b7ob2o$2bo2b3o3bo2b2o2bo16bo6bobo2bo$b2o4b2ob3ob2ob4o14b2o2b2ob
o3b2o$8bo2bo3bo5bo17b2ob2o6b2o$b4o4bo2b4ob3o2bo27b2o$bo3bo4b2o4b2o2b2o
$3b2o2bo2bobo2bob2o13b2o$7bobob6obo4b2o6bo2bo7bo6bob2o$3bobo14b2o2bo5b
obobo6bobo5bobo$4bo13bo2b2o6b3obo7bobo6bo$19bo9b3o10bo7b2o$20b3o27b2o$
12bo9bo27b2o$10b2obo$10bo2bo$2o11bo5bo$2o9bo3b2ob2o$12b2o4bobo$14bo27b
2o$13bob3o24bo$15b3obo23b3o$18bo12b3o11bo$12bobo4b2o12bo$13b2ob2o3bo
10bo7bo$13bo5bo18b3o$19bo2bo14bo14bo$19bob2o10b2o2b2o12bobo6bo$11b2o7b
o11bobo8b2o7bo5bobo$11bo20bo3b2o5b2obo12b2o$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o10bo7bo$6bo
2b4obo14b4o5bo5bo9bobo$6bobo5bo18bob3o7bob2o4bo2bo$5b2o2bo4bob6o9bobob
o2bo8b2o4bobo$5bo2bobobo4bo2bob2o6bobo3bobo14b3o$7b2obo2b4o4b2o2bo3bob
o5bobo13b2o$8bo2bobobob4o4bo3bo8bo14b2o$6bo3b2obobo2bo2b2ob2o2b2o2bo
20b2o$6b2o4bobob2o3b3ob2o3b3o$12b2o4b2o6b4o6b2o$6b2o3b2o2b2obobo9b5o2b
o$6bobo2bo3bo2b3o8bobo3b2o$7b3obo4b2o2b2obo4b2o2b3o$9b2o4b3o5b3o2b3obo
bo$30bob2o!
Thanks for trying the p29 gun. I was unable to improve on your design, but I found some things that are very close to reducing the p58 gun. Unfortunately, they seem unsalvageable.

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x = 75, y = 69, rule = B3/S23
63b2o$64bo$60bobo$56bo2bob6o$56b4o6bo$60b4o$56b3obo2bo$55bo2b2o$55b2o
11bo$67b3o$66b2ob2o2b2o$56b2o9b3o3b2o$57bo10bo$57bobo$58b2o6bo$65b3o$
64b2ob2o3bo$55b2o8b3o3bobo$56bo9bo5bo$56bobo$57b2o2$38bo21b2o$38b3o19b
obo$41bo18b2obo$32b2o6b2o$33bo$23b2o8bobo9bobo4b3o5b2o$23b2o9b2o3bo6b
2o12b2o$38bo3b2ob2o4bo3bo$39bo5bo5bo3bo$24bo21bo$23bo2bo13bo5bobobobo
3bo$23b2ob3o12bob2obo3bo5bo$23bo2b3o12b2o5bobo4bo$26bob2o12b3obo9b3o$
22b2o4b2o9b2o5b2o10bo$21b2o5b2o9b2o4b2o$22bob3o12b2obo$18bobo5b2o12b3o
2bo$13b2o3bo3bob2obo12b3ob2o$13bo2bobobobo5bo13bo2bo$22bo21bo$11bo5bo
5bo5bo$10bo11b2ob2o3bo$11bo4bo4b2o6bo3b2o9b2o$12b3o6bobo9bobo8b2o$35bo
$8bo7b2o9b2o6b2o$8bo7bobo8bo$2b2o4bo9bo9b3o$bo9bo6b2o10bo$2bo4bobobo$
3bo7bo$6bo8b2o$2bo3bobo6bobo$bo15bo$o8bo7b2o$obob2obobo$bo7bo$6bo11b2o
$6bo8b2o2bo$6bo4bo2bob3o$11b4o$8bo6b4o$8b6obo2bo$12bobo$10bo$10b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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guntrue_513 reduced (2820 -> 2773)

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x = 59, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
16bo7bo4bobobo15bo2b2o$10bo5bo7bo4bo2bobo14b4obo$8b2obo4bo4bo2bo3bo4b
2o19bo$6bobo2bo3b2o2b2obo5bo2bo3b2o10b7ob2o$6b2o2bob2o2b3obo9bob3o2bo
8bo6bobo2bo$18bo3bo3b4o6bo9b2o2b2obo3b2o$6b2o5bo2b2o8bo3b5ob4o10b2ob2o
$6bo3b2obobo5b2obo3b2o5bo4bo$8bo2bobo2bob2o2b2obo3bob3obob3o$7b2obo3b
o3b2o2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobo12b2o$5bo4b3o2bob4o3bo5bo3bobo13b2ob2o$5b2obo2b
2ob3o4b2o8b3o2b2o3b2o6b2obo$6bobo2bo2bo19b2obo4bo$6bo2b4obo3b2o9b4o4b
3o2bobo$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o2bo3b2o$11bo20bo4b2o$11b2o4bobo12bobo23bo$17b2o
14b2o2b2o2b2o13bobo$16b2o2b3o14bobo2bo14b2o$13bo3b3o4bo6bo7b3o$12bobo
2b4o11bo5bo$12bo4b2o4b2o5b3o5b2o13b2o$17b2obo32bo$13b2o2bo36b3o$15bo2b
2o36bo$12bob2o$8b2o4b2o4bo$2o10b4o2bobo$2o6bo4b3o3bo8b2o$10b3o2b2o10b
obo$14b2o11bo$13bobo6bo3b2o8b2o$20b3o13b2o$19bo$13b2o4bob2o$3b3o11bo3b
o2bo$3b2o3bob2o4bo6b2o10b2ob2o$4bobobo3b4ob2o12b2o2b2obo3b2o$bo3bo4bo
2b2o2bo2b2o9bo6bobo2bo$b4o4b2o2b2o3b2o2bo9b7ob2o$7bo2b2o4bo4bo17bo$b2o
6bo2b3o2b4o13b4obo$2bo2b3o5b2o3bo15bo2b2o$2bobo3b4o4bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob
2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!
Challenge: Can guntrue_342 and/or guntrue_684 be reduced?

Also, the only guns below p1250 not in catagolue are guntrue_1241 and guntrue_1243 if anyone wants to try and fill them in.

EDIT: Solved 684 (3564 -> 2773) and guntrue_1368 (3960 -> 2773), likely terminating the need for the old p114 gun

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x = 59, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
16bo7bo4bobobo15bo2b2o$10bo5bo7bo4bo2bobo14b4obo$8b2obo4bo4bo2bo3bo4b
2o19bo$6bobo2bo3b2o2b2obo5bo2bo3b2o10b7ob2o$6b2o2bob2o2b3obo9bob3o2bo
8bo6bobo2bo$18bo3bo3b4o6bo9b2o2b2obo3b2o$6b2o5bo2b2o8bo3b5ob4o10b2ob2o
$6bo3b2obobo5b2obo3b2o5bo4bo$8bo2bobo2bob2o2b2obo3bob3obob3o$7b2obo3b
o3b2o2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobo12b2o$5bo4b3o2bob4o3bo5bo3bobo13b2ob2o$5b2obo2b
2ob3o4b2o8b3o2b2o3b2o6b2obo$6bobo2bo2bo19b2obo4bo$6bo2b4obo3b2o9b4o4b
3o2bobo$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o2bo3b2o$11bo20bo4b2o$11b2o4bobo12bobo23bo$17b2o
14b2o2b2o2b2o13bobo$16b2o2b3o14bobo2bo14b2o$13bo3b3o4bo6bo7b3o$12bobo
2b4o11bo5bo$12bo4b2o4b2o5b3o5b2o13b2o$17b2obo32bo$13b2o2bo36b3o$15bo2b
2o36bo$12bob2o$8b2o4b2o4bo$2o10b4o2bobo$2o6bo4b3o3bo$10b3o2b2o8b3o10b
o$14b2o9b3obo7bobo$13bobo6bo3bobobo6bobo$20b3o4bo2bo7bo$19bo8b2o$13b2o
4bob2o$3b3o11bo3bo2bo$3b2o3bob2o4bo6b2o10b2ob2o$4bobobo3b4ob2o12b2o2b
2obo3b2o$bo3bo4bo2b2o2bo2b2o9bo6bobo2bo$b4o4b2o2b2o3b2o2bo9b7ob2o$7bo
2b2o4bo4bo17bo$b2o6bo2b3o2b4o13b4obo$2bo2b3o5b2o3bo15bo2b2o$2bobo3b4o
4bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!

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x = 59, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
16bo7bo4bobobo15bo2b2o$10bo5bo7bo4bo2bobo14b4obo$8b2obo4bo4bo2bo3bo4b
2o19bo$6bobo2bo3b2o2b2obo5bo2bo3b2o10b7ob2o$6b2o2bob2o2b3obo9bob3o2bo
8bo6bobo2bo$18bo3bo3b4o6bo9b2o2b2obo3b2o$6b2o5bo2b2o8bo3b5ob4o10b2ob2o
$6bo3b2obobo5b2obo3b2o5bo4bo$8bo2bobo2bob2o2b2obo3bob3obob3o$7b2obo3b
o3b2o2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobo12b2o$5bo4b3o2bob4o3bo5bo3bobo13b2ob2o$5b2obo2b
2ob3o4b2o8b3o2b2o3b2o6b2obo$6bobo2bo2bo19b2obo4bo$6bo2b4obo3b2o9b4o4b
3o2bobo$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o2bo3b2o$11bo20bo4b2o$11b2o4bobo12bobo23bo$17b2o
14b2o2b2o2b2o13bobo$16b2o2b3o14bobo2bo14b2o$13bo3b3o4bo6bo7b3o$12bobo
2b4o11bo5bo$12bo4b2o4b2o5b3o5b2o13b2o$17b2obo32bo$13b2o2bo36b3o$15bo2b
2o36bo$12bob2o$8b2o4b2o4bo$2o10b4o2bobo25b2o$2o6bo4b3o3bo26b2o$10b3o2b
2o8b3o10bo$14b2o9b3obo7bobo$13bobo6bo3bobobo6bobo5b2obo$20b3o4bo2bo7b
o7bobo$19bo8b2o17bo$13b2o4bob2o23b2o$3b3o11bo3bo2bo21b2o$3b2o3bob2o4b
o6b2o10b2ob2o6b2o$4bobobo3b4ob2o12b2o2b2obo3b2o$bo3bo4bo2b2o2bo2b2o9b
o6bobo2bo$b4o4b2o2b2o3b2o2bo9b7ob2o$7bo2b2o4bo4bo17bo$b2o6bo2b3o2b4o13b
4obo$2bo2b3o5b2o3bo15bo2b2o$2bobo3b4o4bo$3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$4b2obobobo2b
o2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!
New challenge: guntrue_741 or guntrue_855, & guntrue_1026

EDIT 2: guntrue 342 reduced (2928 -> 2820)

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x = 60, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
30bob2o$9b2o4b3o5b3o2b3obobo15bo2b2o$7b3obo4b2o2b2obo4b2o2b3o15b4obo$
6bobo2bo3bo2b3o8bobo3b2o18bo$6b2o3b2o2b2obobo9b5o2bo10b7ob2o$12b2o4b2o
6b4o6b2o9bo6bobo2bo$6b2o4bobob2o3b3ob2o3b3o14b2o2b2obo3b2o$6bo3b2obob
o2bo2b2ob2o2b2o2bo18b2ob2o$8bo2bobobob4o4bo3bo8bo$7b2obo2b4o4b2o2bo3b
obo5bobo$5bo2bobobo4bo2bob2o6bobo3bobo12b2o$5b2o2bo4bob6o9bobobo2bo12b
2ob2o$6bobo5bo18bob3o4b2o6b2obo$6bo2b4obo14b4o5bo4bo$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o6b
obo$11bo20bo3b2o6b2o$11b2o7bo11bobo3bobo$19bob2o10b2o2bob2o18bo$19bo2b
o14bo19bobo$13bo5bo16b2o4bo15b2o$13b2ob2o3bo10bo7b3o$12bobo4b2o12bo5b
o$18bo12b3o5b2o13b2o$15b3obo34bo$13bob3o37b3o$14bo42bo$12b2o4bobo$2o9b
o3b2ob2o5b2ob2o$2o11bo5bo4bobob2o$10bo2bo10bo$10b2obo9b2o11b2o$12bo9b
o5bo2bo4b2o$20b3o5b4o$19bo5bo$4bo13bo2b9o11bo$3bobo14b2o7bo7b2obobo$7b
obob6obo5b4o8bobobobo$3b2o2bo2bobo2bob2o5bo2b2o4bo2bobobob2o$bo3bo4b2o
4b2o2b2o11b4ob2o2bo$b4o4bo2b4ob3o2bo14bo4bo$8bo2bo3bo5bo11b2o2bob3o$b
2o4b2ob3ob2ob4o12b2o3b2o$2bo2b3o3bo2b2o2bo$2bobo4b3o4bo$3bo2b2o4b3ob2o
$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!
Here is p1026 too (3968 -> 3619)

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x = 77, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
23b2o2bo15b2obo$22bob4o14bobob3o2b3o5b3o4b2o$22bo19b3o2b2o4bob2o2b2o4b
ob3o$20b2ob7o10b2o3bobo8b3o2bo3bo2bobo$18bo2bobo6bo8bo2b5o9bobob2o2b2o
3b2o$18b2o3bob2o2b2o9bo6b4o6b2o4b2o$22b2ob2o10b4ob5o3b2ob3o3b2obobo4b
2o$36bo4bo5b2o2b2ob2o2bo2bobob2o3bo$37b3obob3obo3bo4b4obobobo2bo$39bo
bo2bo2bo3bo2b2o4b4o2bob2o$23bo18bo3bo6b2obo2bo4bobobo2bo$22bobo9b2o3b
o3b3o9b6obo4bo2b2o$22bobo9bo6b2o19bo5bobo$7b2o14bo8bobo2bobo4b4o14bob
4o2bo$7bobo22b2o3bo2b4o3bo15bo6b2o$10bo2b2o23b3o3bo20bo$8b2obo2bo27bo
bo8bobo8b2o$7bobob2o21b2o2b2o2b2o12bo$8bo25bo2bobo18bo$b2o32b3o18b3o$
2bo26b2o7bo15bo2bo$2bobo9b2o6b2o4b2o7b2o16b2o$3b2o9b2o7bo6bo11bo12b2o
5bo$20b3o19bobo11bo2bo2b2o$20bo21b2o13b2o2bo2bo$58bo5b2o$11b2o4b2o45b
2o$11bobo3bobo43bo2bo8b2o$12bo6bo27b2o13b3o10b2o$19b2o17bo8bobo12bo$37b
obo9bo14bo$2o35bobo9b2o3bo10bobo$o2bo34bo15b3o$b3o53bo$54b2o2bo13bo$b
3o3b2o43bo2b2o14bobo$obo4b2o28b2ob2o10b2o4bob6obobo$o3bo28b2o3bob2o2b
2o12b2obo2bobo2bo2b2o$b3obo27bo2bobo6bo9b2o2b2o4b2o4bo3bo$3bobo29b2ob
7o9bo2b3ob4o2bo4b4o$4bo32bo17bo5bo3bo2bo$37bob4o13b4ob2ob3ob2o4b2o$38b
2o2bo15bo2b2o2bo3b3o2bo$60bo4b3o4bobo$24bo34b2ob3o4b2o2bo$25bo33bo2bo
2bobobob2o$23b3o34b2o2b2ob2o!
Old design

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x = 62, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o2$2bo$bobo$bo2bo2b2o$5bob2o12b4o$3b2o15bo4bo$19bobo3bo$2o16b
obo3bo$bo16bo$bobo14bo$2b2o14bo2bo$19b2o$5b2o$5b2o4$52bo2b2o$52b4obo$
57bo$50b7ob2o$49bo6bobo2bo$10b2o37b2o2b2obo3b2o$10bo42b2ob2o$11b3o$13b
o$53b2o$53b2ob2o$44b2o6b2obo$45bo$45bobo$46b2o$30b2o$29b2o30bo$31bo27b
obo$60b2o$43b3o$44b3o$56b2o$56bo$57b3o$59bo5$51b2o$51b2o$37b2o$37b2o15b
2o$54bobo$56bo$37b3o16b2o$32b2o2bob2o11b2o$32b2o2b2o12b4o$36b2o11bobo
2bo$49b2o2bobo$54bobo$56b2o$55b3o$54bobo$54b2o!
Here is guntrue_855 (4464 -> 3916)

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x = 89, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
71bo$69b3o$28b2o38bo$27bo2bo5b2o30b2o$27bo8bo5b2o19b2o$27bo2bo6b3obob
o22bo$27b2o10bobo20bo2b2o11bo$26b2obo10bobo6b2o3b2o5b3o12b3o$25bobob2o
2bobo5bo7b2o4bo19bo$24bobo3b2o4bo18bobo17b2o$24bo3bo3bo3bo19b2o$25b3o
2b6o31b3o$27bobobo32b2o$27bo2bo20b2o11bobo5b3o$15bo6bo5b2o17bo6b3o7bo
bo5bo2bo$14b2o6b2o22bo3bob5o8bo6bo3bo$13b3o6b3o21bo2bo3bob2o19bo$14b2o
6b2o17b3o7bo4bob2o5bo6bo3bo$15bo6bo17bo2bo6bo5bo2bo5bo6bo2bo$32bobo4b
o3bo6bo5b2obo4bo7b3o$32b2o5bo19b2obo3bo2bo$17bo2bo12bo5bo3bo6bo8b5obo
3bo$15b3o2b3o17bo2bo5bobo7b3o6bo$14bo8bo17b3o5bobo11b2o$15b3o2b3o27b2o
$46b3o31b5o$11bo46b2o19bo5bo$11b3o25b2o17bobo16b3o5b3o$14bo25bo19bo4b
2o5bo3bo11bo$13b2o22b3o12b3o5b2o3b2o4bobo3b4obob3obo$37bo11b2o2bo15bo
3bo7b3o3bo$4b2o43bo19b3o4bob2o5bo$3bobo45b2o14b2o4bo2b2obobobob2o$3bo
42b2o18bo2bo3bo6bo2bobo$2obo7bo35bo18b2obobo9b2o2bo$bobob2o2b3o32b3o22b
o15b2o$bobob2o2b2o33bo24b2o$2obo7bo$o2b4o3bo10b2o$b2o3bo3bo10bobo$3b2o
18bo$3bo13bo5b2o$5bo12bo$4b2o10b3o!
EDIT 3: Here is a reduction to guntrue_1225 using a different SW-2 (6305 -> 6016)

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x = 93, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
38b2o11bo$38b2o10bobo$50bobo2b2o3bo$49b2ob2o2bo2bobo$53bobo3bobo12b2o
$49b2obo2b4obo13bo$49b2obobo3bo13bobo$53bobo3bo12b2o$54bobo3bo$55bo3b
2o$87b2o$87b2o2$46b2o$46b2o9b2o$31b2o23b2o$30bo2bo24bo3b2o22b2o$29bob
2o28b2ob2o19bo2bo2b2o$29bo31b2o2bo22b2ob2o$28b2o31bo3bo17bo3b2o$43b2o
16bob2o17bo4bo$7b2o3b2o29bo18bo19b3o$7bobobobo30b3o7b2o15b2o$9bobo34b
o7b2o2b2o11b2o$4b2o2bo3bo46bo$3bobo2bobobo39b7o$2bo2bob2obo40bo$3b3o2b
ob2o4b2o20b2o11b2o2b2o7bo$6b2o2b2o5bo20b2o15b2o7b3o$5bo2bob2o5bobo6b3o
19bo18bo$5b2o2b2o7b2o3bo4bo17b2obo16b2o$22b2o3bo17bo3bo31b2o$21b2o22b
o2b2o31bo$45b2ob2o28b2obo$9b2o36b2o3bo24bo2bo$2o6bo2bo6b2o33b2o23b2o$
bo7b2o7bo5b2o26b2o9b2o$bobo12bobo5b2o37b2o$2b2o12b2o3$19bo21bo8b2o3bo
$19b3o19bo8bo3bobo$22bo18bo9bo3bobo$21b2o29bo3bobob2o$50bob4o2bob2o$40b
2o7bobo3bobo$40b2o7bobo2bo2b2ob2o$8bo41bo3b2o2bobo$7bobo48bobo10b2o$7b
obo49bo11b2o$8bo22b2o$12b2o10b2o5bobo$12bobo9b2o7bo$14bo18b2o$14b2o$20b
o$19bobob2o$19bobobobo$18b2obobobo2bo$19bo2b2ob4o$10bo6bobo4bo$11bo5b
2o5bobo$9b3o13b2o!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 »

WhiteHawk wrote: December 16th, 2025, 2:36 pm Here is p1026 too (3968 -> 3619)

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x = 77, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
23b2o2bo15b2obo$22bob4o14bobob3o2b3o5b3o4b2o$22bo19b3o2b2o4bob2o2b2o4b
ob3o$20b2ob7o10b2o3bobo8b3o2bo3bo2bobo$18bo2bobo6bo8bo2b5o9bobob2o2b2o
3b2o$18b2o3bob2o2b2o9bo6b4o6b2o4b2o$22b2ob2o10b4ob5o3b2ob3o3b2obobo4b
2o$36bo4bo5b2o2b2ob2o2bo2bobob2o3bo$37b3obob3obo3bo4b4obobobo2bo$39bo
bo2bo2bo3bo2b2o4b4o2bob2o$23bo18bo3bo6b2obo2bo4bobobo2bo$22bobo9b2o3b
o3b3o9b6obo4bo2b2o$22bobo9bo6b2o19bo5bobo$7b2o14bo8bobo2bobo4b4o14bob
4o2bo$7bobo22b2o3bo2b4o3bo15bo6b2o$10bo2b2o23b3o3bo20bo$8b2obo2bo27bo
bo8bobo8b2o$7bobob2o21b2o2b2o2b2o12bo$8bo25bo2bobo18bo$b2o32b3o18b3o$
2bo26b2o7bo15bo2bo$2bobo9b2o6b2o4b2o7b2o16b2o$3b2o9b2o7bo6bo11bo12b2o
5bo$20b3o19bobo11bo2bo2b2o$20bo21b2o13b2o2bo2bo$58bo5b2o$11b2o4b2o45b
2o$11bobo3bobo43bo2bo8b2o$12bo6bo27b2o13b3o10b2o$19b2o17bo8bobo12bo$37b
obo9bo14bo$2o35bobo9b2o3bo10bobo$o2bo34bo15b3o$b3o53bo$54b2o2bo13bo$b
3o3b2o43bo2b2o14bobo$obo4b2o28b2ob2o10b2o4bob6obobo$o3bo28b2o3bob2o2b
2o12b2obo2bobo2bo2b2o$b3obo27bo2bobo6bo9b2o2b2o4b2o4bo3bo$3bobo29b2ob
7o9bo2b3ob4o2bo4b4o$4bo32bo17bo5bo3bo2bo$37bob4o13b4ob2ob3ob2o4b2o$38b
2o2bo15bo2b2o2bo3b3o2bo$60bo4b3o4bobo$24bo34b2ob3o4b2o2bo$25bo33bo2bo
2bobobob2o$23b3o34b2o2b2ob2o!
Old design

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x = 62, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o2$2bo$bobo$bo2bo2b2o$5bob2o12b4o$3b2o15bo4bo$19bobo3bo$2o16b
obo3bo$bo16bo$bobo14bo$2b2o14bo2bo$19b2o$5b2o$5b2o4$52bo2b2o$52b4obo$
57bo$50b7ob2o$49bo6bobo2bo$10b2o37b2o2b2obo3b2o$10bo42b2ob2o$11b3o$13b
o$53b2o$53b2ob2o$44b2o6b2obo$45bo$45bobo$46b2o$30b2o$29b2o30bo$31bo27b
obo$60b2o$43b3o$44b3o$56b2o$56bo$57b3o$59bo5$51b2o$51b2o$37b2o$37b2o15b
2o$54bobo$56bo$37b3o16b2o$32b2o2bob2o11b2o$32b2o2b2o12b4o$36b2o11bobo
2bo$49b2o2bobo$54bobo$56b2o$55b3o$54bobo$54b2o!
Once again, always remember that the Quinti-Snark without an eater is a Sexti-Snark: (3619 → 2961)
(tub on the left for anti-bounding-box-glitch)

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x = 63, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
8bo4bo15b2obo5bo7bo$7bobo2bobo13bo3bobo3b3o4bobo4b2o$7bob4obo13bobo8b
4o8bo3bo$6b2o6b2o10b2o5b2o9bo2bo3bobo2bo$5bo3b4o3bo8bo2b4o3bo6bo3b4obo
3b2o$4bob2o6b2obo7b2o6b5o2b5o3bo$bo2bobo8bobo12b3o6bob3ob4o6b2o$obobo
2b8o2b2o11bo2b2o12bobob2o3bo$bo2bobo2b4o2bobo6bo8bo2b2obo2b4o3bobo2bo$
4bobo8bobo5bobo5bobo4b3o6bobo2bob2o$5bo10bo6b2obo3bobo6bo11b2obo2bo$
24bo2bobobo8b8obo3b2ob2o$10b2o12b4obo12b4o2bo2bo2bobo$9bo2bo6b2o9b4o
14bob4o2bo$10b2o7bo6b4o3bo15bo6b2o$17bobo5b2o3bo20bo$17b2o3bobob3obo
19b2o$6b2o14b2obo2b2o$5bo2bo16bo$6b2o12bo4b2o17bo$20b3o20bobo$23bo22bo
$22b2o21b2o$45bo2bo$26bo17bo2bo$25bo20b2o$9bo15b3o18bo$8bobo36bobo11b
2o$8bobo37bo12b2o$9bo22b2o$13b2o10b2o5bobo$13bobo9b2o7bo5bo$15bo18b2o
4b3o$15b2o26bo$40b2obo14bo$38bo2b3obob4o7bo$38b2o3b2ob7obobo2bo$22b2ob
2o16b2o8b2obobo$18b2o3bob2o2b2o10b2o9b2o3bo3bo$18bo2bobo6bo9bo2b3ob4o
2bo4b4o$20b2ob7o11bo12b2o$22bo19b4o3b2ob3o5b2o$22bob4o16bo3b2o5b3o2bo$
23b2o2bo18bo4b2obo3bobo$15bo29b2ob3o2bob2o2bo$16b2o27bo2bo2bobobob2o$
15b2o29b2o2b2ob2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Post by ElijahKen »

WhiteHawk wrote: December 16th, 2025, 2:36 pm Challenge: Can guntrue_342 and/or guntrue_684 be reduced?
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EDIT 2: guntrue 342 reduced (2928 -> 2820)

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x = 60, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
30bob2o$9b2o4b3o5b3o2b3obobo15bo2b2o$7b3obo4b2o2b2obo4b2o2b3o15b4obo$
6bobo2bo3bo2b3o8bobo3b2o18bo$6b2o3b2o2b2obobo9b5o2bo10b7ob2o$12b2o4b2o
6b4o6b2o9bo6bobo2bo$6b2o4bobob2o3b3ob2o3b3o14b2o2b2obo3b2o$6bo3b2obob
o2bo2b2ob2o2b2o2bo18b2ob2o$8bo2bobobob4o4bo3bo8bo$7b2obo2b4o4b2o2bo3b
obo5bobo$5bo2bobobo4bo2bob2o6bobo3bobo12b2o$5b2o2bo4bob6o9bobobo2bo12b
2ob2o$6bobo5bo18bob3o4b2o6b2obo$6bo2b4obo14b4o5bo4bo$5b2o6bo15bo3b4o6b
obo$11bo20bo3b2o6b2o$11b2o7bo11bobo3bobo$19bob2o10b2o2bob2o18bo$19bo2b
o14bo19bobo$13bo5bo16b2o4bo15b2o$13b2ob2o3bo10bo7b3o$12bobo4b2o12bo5b
o$18bo12b3o5b2o13b2o$15b3obo34bo$13bob3o37b3o$14bo42bo$12b2o4bobo$2o9b
o3b2ob2o5b2ob2o$2o11bo5bo4bobob2o$10bo2bo10bo$10b2obo9b2o11b2o$12bo9b
o5bo2bo4b2o$20b3o5b4o$19bo5bo$4bo13bo2b9o11bo$3bobo14b2o7bo7b2obobo$7b
obob6obo5b4o8bobobobo$3b2o2bo2bobo2bob2o5bo2b2o4bo2bobobob2o$bo3bo4b2o
4b2o2b2o11b4ob2o2bo$b4o4bo2b4ob3o2bo14bo4bo$8bo2bo3bo5bo11b2o2bob3o$b
2o4b2ob3ob2ob4o12b2o3b2o$2bo2b3o3bo2b2o2bo$2bobo4b3o4bo$3bo2b2o4b3ob2o
$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!
It can be reduced a little more (2820 -> 2773):

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x = 59, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
16bo7bo4bobobo2b2o$10bo5bo7bo4bo2bobo2bo$8b2obo4bo4bo2bo3bo4b2obo12bo
2b2o$6bobo2bo3b2o2b2obo5bo2bo3bo13b4obo$6b2o2bob2o2b3obo9bob3o19bo$18b
o3bo3b4o17b7ob2o$6b2o5bo2b2o8bo3b3o13bo6bobo2bo$6bo3b2obobo5b2obo3b2o
2bo5bo7b2o2b2obo3b2o$8bo2bobo2bob2o2b2obo3bobo5bobo10b2ob2o$7b2obo3bo
3b2o2bo2bo3bob4o2bobo$5bo4b3o2bob4o3bo5bo3bo3bo$5b2obo2b2ob3o4b2o8b2o
17b2o$6bobo2bo2bo18b5o12b2ob2o$6bo2b4obo3b2o9b4o8b2o6b2obo$5b2o6bo15bo
3b6o3bo$11bo20bo9bobo$11b2o4bobo12bob3o2bo3b2o$17b2o14b2ob4o$16b2o2b3o
14bo20bo$13bo3b3o4bo6bo10bo13bobo$12bobo2b4o11bo7b3o14b2o$12bo4b2o4b2o
5b3o6bo$17b2obo18b2o$13b2o2bo35b2o$15bo2b2o33bo$12bob2o38b3o$8b2o4b2o
4bo35bo$2o10b4o2bobo2bob2ob2o$2o6bo4b3o3bo3b2obob2o$10b3o2b2o$14b2o20b
2o$13bobo6bo5bo2bo4b2o$20b5o3b4o$19bo5bo$13b2o4bob3ob5o11bo$3b3o11bo3b
o2bo4bo7b2obobo$3b2o3bob2o4bo7bobo9bobobobo$4bobobo3b4ob2o6b2o6bo2bobo
bob2o$bo3bo4bo2b2o2bo2b2o11b4ob2o2bo$b4o4b2o2b2o3b2o2bo14bo4bo$7bo2b2o
4bo4bo11b2o2bob3o$b2o6bo2b3o2b4o12b2o3b2o$2bo2b3o5b2o3bo$2bobo3b4o4bo$
3bo2b2obo2b3ob2o$4b2obobobo2bo2bo$8b2ob2o2b2o!
Also guntrue_996 again (3318 -> 3108):

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x = 71, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
5bo2bo3b2o52b2o$5b6o2bo51bobo$3b2o6b2o32b2o18bo$2bo3b4o3b3o29bo18b2o$b
ob2o6b2o2bo7bo22bo$bobo8bobo8b3o19b2o17b4o$2o2b8o2b2o10bo37bo2bo$bobo
2b4o2bo4bo7b2o39bo$bobo8bob3obo48b3o$2bo10bo4bo50bo$14b5obo$7b2o10b2o
21b2o6b2o4b3o$6bo2bo6b2o24b2o4b2ob2o16b2o$7b2o7bo31bo8bo7b2obobo$14bob
o31bo4bobobo7b2obo$14b2o33bo8bo10bo$3b2o46b3o4bo6b2ob2o$2bo2bo46bobo4b
o6bobo$3b2o50bo3bo6bobo$56b4o7bo3$41bo7b4o$40bobo6bo3bo$40bobo6bo4bobo
$6bo21b3o7b3ob2o6bo4b3o$5bobo19bo3bo5bo12bo8bo$5bobo19bo3bo6b3ob2o7bob
obo4bo2b2o$6bo18b2o5b2o6bob2o7bo8bo2b2o$10b2o12bo4bo4bo21b2ob2o$10bobo
11bo3bobo19b3o4b2o$12bo11bob2obo$12b2o17b2o3bo3bo$31bo2b2obobobo$18b2o
7b4o6bobo2bo$17bobo6bo2bo7bo2b2o2bo$17bo7bo2bo9b2o2b3o$16b2o4b2obobo
12bo$21bobobobobo10b2ob2o$9bo11bo4bobobo10bobo$10bo11b3obobobo10bobo$
8b3o13b2o3bo12bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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guntrue_235 reduction (4420 -> 4161)

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x = 73, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
35bo11b2o$34bobo10b2o$26bo3b2o2bobo$25bobo2bo2b2ob2o$25bobo3bobo$26bo
b4o2bob2o$28bo3bobob2o$27bo3bobo$26bo3bobo$26b2o3bo$6b2o4bo28bobo$3b2o
2bo4b3o24bo2b2o$b3ob2o8bo22b3o$o13b2o$b3ob2o$3bob2o47b2o$53bo2bo$54b2o
bo2b2o$57bo2bobo$5b2o50b3o2b3o$5b2o35b2o16b2o3bo2b2o$43bo15bo3b2obo2b
o$40b3o16bob2obob2obob2o$27b2o11bo19bo3bo4bob2o$5b2o20bo33b2ob2obobo$
5bo12b2o8b3o33bo4bo$3bobo12bo11bo33bobo2bob2o$b3obob2o10b3o41b2obob2o
bo$o5bo2bo11bo29bo11bo2bo5bo$bob2obob2o41b3o10b2obob3o$2obo2bobo33bo11b
o12bobo$3bo4bo33b3o8b2o12bo$3bobob2ob2o33bo20b2o$2obo4bo3bo19bo11b2o$
2obob2obob2obo16b3o$3bo2bob2o3bo15bo$3b2o2bo3b2o16b2o35b2o$8b3o2b3o50b
2o$10bobo2bo$11b2o2bob2o$16bo2bo$17b2o47b2obo$66b2ob3o$8b2o47b2o13bo$
7bobo22b3o22bo8b2ob3o$7bo7b2o12b2o2bo24b3o4bo2b2o$8b4o3bo13bobo28bo4b
2o$2b2o2bobo3bo4bo23bo3b2o$2bo2bobo3b2o3b2o22bobo3bo$3bobo6b2obo2b2o19b
obo3bo$2b2obo7bobo2bo16b2obobo3bo$5bo12b2ob2o12b2obo2b4obo$5bob2o3b2o
bo2bo20bobo3bobo$6bo2bobobobo2b2o15b2ob2o2bo2bobo$4bobo2b2obo3b2o12bo
5bobo2b2o3bo$4b2o6bob2o2b4o9bo4bobo$12b2obo2bo2bo7b3o5bo!
EDIT: Reduced again to 4047 cells with some stator reduction:

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x = 71, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
34bo11b2o$33bobo10b2o$25bo3b2o2bobo$24bobo2bo2b2ob2o$24bobo3bobo$25bo
b4o2bob2o$27bo3bobob2o$26bo3bobo$25bo3bobo$3bo21b2o3bo$2bobo6bo28bobo
$2bobo6b3o24bo2b2o$b2ob2o8bo22b3o$13b2o$b2ob2o$2bob2o47b2o$o51bo2bo12b
2o$2o51b2obo2b2o7bo$56bo2bobo7bo$4b2o50b3o2b3o4b2o$4b2o35b2o16b2o3bo2b
o$42bo15bo3b2obo2b2o$39b3o16bob2obob2obo$26b2o11bo19bo3bo4bo$4b2o20bo
33b2ob2obob2o$o3bo12b2o8b3o33bo4bo$3obo12bo11bo33bobo2bo$3b2ob2o10b3o
41b2obob2obo$2o3bo2bo11bo29bo11bo2bo3b2o$ob2obob2o41b3o10b2ob2o$2bo2b
obo33bo11bo12bob3o$2bo4bo33b3o8b2o12bo3bo$b2obob2ob2o33bo20b2o$2bo4bo
3bo19bo11b2o$2bob2obob2obo16b3o$b2o2bob2o3bo15bo$3bo2bo3b2o16b2o35b2o
$b2o4b3o2b3o50b2o$bo7bobo2bo$2bo7b2o2bob2o51b2o$b2o12bo2bo51bo$16b2o47b
2obo$65b2ob2o$7b2o47b2o$6bobo22b3o22bo8b2ob2o$6bo7b2o12b2o2bo24b3o6bo
bo$7b4o3bo13bobo28bo6bobo$b2o2bobo3bo4bo23bo3b2o21bo$bo2bobo3b2o3b2o22b
obo3bo$2bobo6b2obo2b2o19bobo3bo$b2obo7bobo2bo16b2obobo3bo$4bo12b2ob2o
12b2obo2b4obo$4bob2o3b2obo2bo20bobo3bobo$5bo2bobobobo2b2o15b2ob2o2bo2b
obo$3bobo2b2obo3b2o12bo5bobo2b2o3bo$3b2o6bob2o2b4o9bo4bobo$11b2obo2bo
2bo7b3o5bo!
Currently on another planet.

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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Period1GliderGun wrote: December 19th, 2025, 3:02 am guntrue_235 reduction (4420 -> 4161) EDIT: Reduced again to 4047 cells with some stator reduction:
guntrue_705 also reduced (5208 -> 5041)

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x = 71, y = 71, rule = B3/S23
34bo11b2o$33bobo10b2o$25bo3b2o2bobo$24bobo2bo2b2ob2o$24bobo3bobo$25bo
b4o2bob2o$27bo3bobob2o$26bo3bobo$25bo3bobo$3bo21b2o3bo$2bobo6bo$2bobo
6b3o$b2ob2o8bo$13b2o23b2o$b2ob2o21bo10b2o$2bob2o21b2o24b2o$o21b2o2bob
o23bo2bo12b2o$2o19bobo29b2obo2b2o7bo$21bo34bo2bobo7bo$4b2o15b2obo31b3o
2b3o4b2o$4b2o17b2o16b2o16b2o3bo2bo$42bo15bo3b2obo2b2o$39b3o16bob2obob
2obo$26b2o11bo19bo3bo2bobo$4b2o20bo33bo2b2o3b2o$o3bo12b2o8b3o33bobo2b
o$3obo12bo11bo33bo2bobo$3b2ob2o10b3o41b2obob2obo$2o3bo2bo11bo29bo11bo
2bo3b2o$ob2obob2o41b3o10b2ob2o$2bobo2bo33bo11bo12bob3o$2bo2bobo33b3o8b
2o12bo3bo$b2o3b2o2bo33bo20b2o$2bobo2bo3bo19bo11b2o$2bob2obob2obo16b3o
$b2o2bob2o3bo15bo$3bo2bo3b2o16b2o16b2o17b2o$b2o4b3o2b3o31bob2o15b2o$b
o7bobo2bo34bo$2bo7b2o2bob2o29bobo19b2o$b2o12bo2bo23bobo2b2o21bo$16b2o
24b2o21b2obo$31b2o10bo21b2ob2o$31b2o23b2o$13b2o41bo8b2ob2o$13bobo41b3o
6bobo$16bo42bo6bobo$10bo3b2obo22bo3b2o21bo$9bo5bobo21bobo3bo$9bo3b3ob
2o19bobo3bo$10bo2b2obo2bo14b2obobo3bo$16b3o15b2obo2b4obo$10bo2b2obo2b
o18bobo3bobo$9bo3b3ob2o15b2ob2o2bo2bobo$9bo5bobo17bobo2b2o3bo$10bo3b2o
bo17bobo$16bo19bo$13bobo$13b2o29b2o3bo2bo3b2o$44b5o4b5o$44b2o3bo2bo3b
2o4$47b2o4b2o$46bo8bo$45bo2bo4bo2bo$46bo8bo$43bo3b2o4b2o$44bo$42b3o!
guntrue_295 in an unrelated reduction (2478 -> 2457), since in this case flipping the p59 does not impact the bounding box

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x = 62, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
6b2o5b2o2b2ob2o31bo$6bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o30bobo$7b2obob2ob2obo33bob3o$3b
2o3bobo2bobo2bob2o27b2obo4bo$o2bo2bo2bob3obob2o2bo27bobobobobo$3o2b2o
bo3bo2b2o2b2o30bobob2o$3b2o2b5o5b3o19b2o9bobo$2bo2bo2b6o4b2o19b2o10bo
$3b2o7b2o$43bobo$42bo3bo13b2o$9b2o32bob5o10b2o$2o7b2o7b2o2bo23b2o2bo$
bo16bo3b3o8b2obo11b2o$bobo12bobo6bo7bob2o$2b2o4b2o6b2o6b2o$7bo2bo17bo
$7bo2bo17b2o18bo$8b2o18b2o8bo9bo$22b2o5b2o6bobo$21bo3b5o7bo2bo$22b8o5b
5o$23b5o6bob2o$33b2o$26b2o3b2obob2o14b2o$8bo17bo2b6ob2o3b2obo7bo$7bob
o9b2o5bo2b3o3bo5bob2o8b3o$7bobo9bobo5bo2b5o20bo$8bo10bo12bo$12b2o$12b
obo$14bo2b2o$14bobobo7bo10b2o$13b2obo8bobo9b2o$16bo4b2obobo$16b2o2bob
obobobo$8bo11bo4bobobo$9bo11b3obobobo$7b3o13b2o3bo!
EDIT 2: Not a reduction, but an equivalent bounding box solution to guntrue_885

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x = 76, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
6b2o5b2o2b2ob2o$6bo2b2obo2bo2bob2o$7b2obob2ob2obo$3b2o3bobo4bo2bob2o$
o2bo2bob4obobob2o2bo16bo$3o2b2o6b3o4bo16bobo$3b2o8bo2b2o17b3obo$2bo2b
obo5bo3bobo14bo4bob2o$3b2o4b2o2bo20bobobobobo$29b2o4b2obobo$30bo8bobo
9b2o$9b2o19bobo7bo9bo2bo$2o6bo2bo6b2o11b2o20bo$bo7b2o7bo31bo2bo$bobo12b
obo24bo5b2ob2o$2b2o12b2o24bo5bo3bo$43bo3bo3bo5b2o10bo$44b3o8bo2bo8b3o
$19bo25bo9b2o9bo$19b3o8bo9bo3bo3bo17b2o$22bo5b2o9b2o2b2ob2o$21b2o6b2o
5b10o$35bob4o3bo8bo$35b2o3bo3bo7bobo$41b2o8bo2bo$8bo43b2o$7bobo52bobo
$7bobo51bobobo$8bo22b2o5b2o25b2o$12b2o10b2o5bobobo3bo9b2o8bo5bo2bo$12b
obo9b2o7bob4o8bo2bo7bob2o6bo$14bo18bo13b2o9bo9b2o$14b2o18b3o21bo5b2o8b
2o$36bo26bo2bo7b2o$66bo2$21b2ob2o27b2o9bobo$17b2o3bob2o2b2o23b2o9b2o2b
o$17bo2bobo6bo35bo3bo$19b2ob7o34bobob2obo$12bo8bo40bobobo4bo$13bo7bob
4o35bobobob3o$11b3o8b2o2bo36bo3b2o!
However, it does lead to a reduction of guntrue_1062 (3822 -> 3311)

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x = 77, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo3b2o$8b6o2bo3b2o$6b2o6b2o4bo$5bo2bob2obo2b3obo$4bob2o2b2o2b2o3b
o19bo$4bobo2b4o2bobo20bobo$3b2ob3o4b3ob2o17b3obo$4bobo8bobo17bo4bob2o
$4bobo3b2o3bobo17bobobobobo$5bo10bo13b2o4b2obobo$31bo8bobo9b2o$10b2o19b
obo7bo9bo2bo$9bo2bo6b2o11b2o20bo$10b2o7bo31bo2bo$17bobo24bo5b2ob2o$17b
2o24bo5bo3bo$6b2o36bo3bo3bo5b2o10bo$5bo2bo36b3o8bo2bo8b3o$6b2o12bo25b
o9b2o9bo$20b3o8bo9bo3bo3bo17b2o$23bo5b2o9b2o2b2ob2o$22b2o6b2o5b10o$36b
ob4o3bo8bo$36b2o3bo3bo7bobo$42b2o8bo2bo$9bo43b2o$8bobo52bobo$8bobo51b
obobo$9bo22b2o5b2o25b2o$13b2o10b2o5bobo5bo9b2o8bo5bo2bo$13bobo9b2o7bo
2b3o8bo2bo7bob2o6bo$15bo18bobo11b2o9bo9b2o$15b2o16b2ob2o21bo5b2o8b2o$
64bo2bo7b2o$67bo2$22b2ob2o27b2o9bobo$18b2o3bob2o2b2o23b2o9b2o2bo$18bo
2bobo6bo35bo3bo$20b2ob7o34bobob2obo$13bo8bo40bobobo4bo$14bo7bob4o35bo
bobob3o$12b3o8b2o2bo36bo3b2o!
EDIT 3: Is this the smallest weld possible between these two eaters?

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x = 9, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
2A5.2D$A.A5.D$2.A2.3D$2.2A.D5$2E5.2C$E.E5.C$2.E2.3C$2.EDAD$3.A.A$4.A3$
2A5.2A$A.A5.A$2.A2.3A$2.A.A$3.A.A$4.A!
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.

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