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[mmmmmmmmm]

What is the smallest spaceship by population with no synthesis?

[dvgrn]

What is the smallest spaceship by population with no synthesis?

This might be slightly out of date, I haven't checked everything -- but here's a post by Sokwe giving the status quo as of the beginning of February (or a little later). May still be current.

EDIT: No, not quite current -- the 34-bit list includes xq4_04eb776zy1cdeceeecz27deee6, which doesn't appear to be mentioned on any LifeWiki page, at least not by apgcode, but it does now have a synthesis.

So... good targets for synth research include the "MWSS top" form of Unnamed tagalong 23P4H2V0 (xq4_g808wsjo6chjo71zf8841) and the 34P5H2V0 and 35P4H1V1 spaceships mentioned by Hartmut Holzwart in mid-February.

[SharkNose]

Hello! My name is Andrew. I've been lurking and learning for about a month. Last night I submitted my first haul with apgsearch (pre-compiled Windows x86_64 version), but it has not appeared on my statistics page on Catagolue yet. I submitted another one this morning. Does it take some time? Thanks for your assistance! The output looks like it worked:

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Greetings, this is apgluxe v5.43-ll2.5.9, configured for b3s23/C1.

Lifelib version: ll2.5.9
Compiler version: 12-posix
Python version: '3.8.20 (default, Sep 27 2024, 06:05:08)  [GCC 12.2.0]'

. . . (details removed)

10000000 soups completed.
0 tiles processed.
Attempting to contact Catagolue...
Saving results to log.1750842958.k_msm3FAgKiwd5.txt
Payosha256 authentication succeeded.
***********************************************

Connection was successful.
New seed: k_DhsXVQXgp5gz; iterations = 1; quitByUser = 0
Terminating...

EDIT: My user name/email on Catagolue is a2j11j4 at gmail.com

[PK22]

Welcome to the forums!

Did you enter your payosha256 key correctly? If not, then your hauls will not appear under your name.
Try submitting another haul with exactly 1234567 soups (ignore the fact it tells you the minimum is 10000000), and I might be able to find what the problem is.
If a haul with that number of soups shows up, but it is submitted by Anonymous, then it is probably a problem with your payosha256 key.

[SharkNose]

Thanks for the response! I will give this a try when I get home from work tonight.

[SharkNose]

I submitted that 1234567 soups haul about an hour ago (4:35 PM EDT - 20:35 UTC). The one change I made was previously I had put quotes around my payosha25 key because of special characters. This time I left the quotes out. I'm submitting from the Windows 11 PowerShell command line:

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.\apgluxe-windows-x86_64.exe -n 1234567 -k <key_redacted> -p 4 -L 1 -i 1

Thanks!

EDIT: 9:00 PM EDT - I hope you don't mind, but I went ahead and created a second payosha25 key with the display name of "SharkNose". This seems to be working much better as I'm now appearing as verifier and contributor in recent hauls. If I can assist in discovering why my first key did not work, let me know!

[Resu]

Is this a waveguide?

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x = 25, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13b
obo$12bobo$11bobo9bo$10bobo9bobo$9bobo9bobo$8bobo9bobo$7bobo9bobo$6bo
bo9bobo$5bobo9bobo$4bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$2bobo9bobo$bobo9bobo$obo9bob
o$bo9bobo$bo8bobo$bo7bobo$bo6bobo$bo5bobo$bo4bobo$bo3bobo$bo2bobo$bob
obo$b2obo$bobo$obo$bo!

[Chris857]

Is this a waveguide?

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x = 25, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13b
obo$12bobo$11bobo9bo$10bobo9bobo$9bobo9bobo$8bobo9bobo$7bobo9bobo$6bo
bo9bobo$5bobo9bobo$4bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$2bobo9bobo$bobo9bobo$obo9bob
o$bo9bobo$bo8bobo$bo7bobo$bo6bobo$bo5bobo$bo4bobo$bo3bobo$bo2bobo$bob
obo$b2obo$bobo$obo$bo!

Based on the wiki article description, and that I can make the superstring as wide as I want and it still seems to work, I'd say so. And assuming none are missing, that would also be only the third waveguide, first since 1997, and is diagonal.

wider:

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x = 80, y = 109, rule = B3/S23
78bo$77bobo$76bobo$75bobo$74bobo$73bobo$72bobo$71bobo$70bobo$69bobo$68b
obo$67bobo$66bobo$65bobo$64bobo$63bobo$62bobo$61bobo$60bobo$59bobo$58b
obo$57bobo$56bobo$55bobo$54bobo$53bobo$52bobo$51bobo$50bobo$49bobo26b
o$48bobo26bobo$47bobo26bobo$46bobo26bobo$45bobo26bobo$44bobo26bobo$43b
obo26bobo$42bobo26bobo$41bobo26bobo$40bobo26bobo$39bobo26bobo$38bobo26b
obo$37bobo26bobo$36bobo26bobo$35bobo26bobo$34bobo26bobo$33bobo26bobo$
32bobo26bobo$31bobo26bobo$30bobo26bobo$29bobo26bobo$28bobo26bobo$27bo
bo26bobo$26bobo26bobo$25bobo26bobo$24bobo26bobo$23bobo26bobo$22bobo26b
obo$21bobo26bobo$20bobo26bobo$19bobo26bobo$18bobo26bobo$17bobo26bobo$
16bobo26bobo$15bobo26bobo$14bobo26bobo$13bobo26bobo$12bobo26bobo$11bo
bo26bobo$10bobo26bobo$9bobo26bobo$8bobo26bobo$7bobo26bobo$6bobo26bobo
$5bobo26bobo$4bobo26bobo$3bobo26bobo$2bobo26bobo$bobo26bobo$obo26bobo
$bo26bobo$bo25bobo$bo24bobo$bo23bobo$bo22bobo$bo21bobo$bo20bobo$bo19b
obo$bo18bobo$bo17bobo$bo16bobo$bo15bobo$bo14bobo$bo13bobo$bo12bobo$bo
11bobo$bo10bobo$bo9bobo$bo8bobo$bo7bobo$bo6bobo$bo5bobo$bo4bobo$bo3bo
bo$bo2bobo$bobobo$b2obo$bobo$obo$bo!

[Resu]

When was this waveguide first discovered?

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x = 25, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13b
obo$12bobo$11bobo9bo$10bobo9bobo$9bobo9bobo$8bobo9bobo$7bobo9bobo$6bo
bo9bobo$5bobo9bobo$4bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$2bobo9bobo$bobo9bobo$obo9bob
o$bo9bobo$bo8bobo$bo7bobo$bo6bobo$bo5bobo$bo4bobo$bo3bobo$bo2bobo$bob
obo$b2obo$bobo$obo$bo!

[PK22]

When was this waveguide first discovered?

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x = 25, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13b
obo$12bobo$11bobo9bo$10bobo9bobo$9bobo9bobo$8bobo9bobo$7bobo9bobo$6bo
bo9bobo$5bobo9bobo$4bobo9bobo$3bobo9bobo$2bobo9bobo$bobo9bobo$obo9bob
o$bo9bobo$bo8bobo$bo7bobo$bo6bobo$bo5bobo$bo4bobo$bo3bobo$bo2bobo$bob
obo$b2obo$bobo$obo$bo!

According to the wiki, only two waveguides are known, and both are orthogonal, so therefore I can say fairly confidently (but not certainly) that it was first discovered on 30th June, 2025.
It seems so simple that it appears impossible that it would be unknown, but I think that the majority of Lifenthusiasts viewed waveguides as less interesting compared to other types of pattern, which is why nobody has discovered a new waveguide for 28 years (which is about half of CGOL's lifespan!).

[LuveelVoom]

A much more interesting waveguide would be one that is reusable. How would one search for that?

[Resu]

Is there a script that can find the heat, speed, period, slope, minimum and maximum population, minimum and maximum bounding box, symmetry, kinetic symmetry, rulemax, rulemin and number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that is evolves identically of a pattern?

[b-engine]

Is there a script that can find the heat, speed, period, slope, minimum and maximum population, minimum and maximum bounding box, symmetry, kinetic symmetry, rulemax, rulemin and number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that is evolves identically of a pattern?

For rulemax, rulemin and number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that is evolves identically of a pattern, see Catagolue. Otherwise, see LifeViewer.

[Resu]

Is there a script that can find the heat, speed, period, slope, minimum and maximum population, minimum and maximum bounding box, symmetry, kinetic symmetry, rulemax, rulemin and number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that is evolves identically of a pattern?

For rulemax, rulemin and number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that is evolves identically of a pattern, see Catagolue. Otherwise, see LifeViewer.

Catagolue only displays the rulemax and rulemin, not the number of number of Life-like CA/isotropic rules that it evolves identically.

Why was Golly named Golly?

[PK22]

Why was Golly named Golly?

It was probably something to do with the fact that GOL is an acronym for Game Of Life. This is also where CataGOLue's name comes from.

[Resu]

How could this be further extended?
"Two confused eaters plug bound pond biting off more than they can chew tie french kiss pentoad(& many more low-period oscs with eaters in them":

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#C P26520
x = 108, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
71b2ob2o$68b3obobob3o$64b2o2b4o3b4o2b2o$64b2o4bo5bo4b2o$66bo13bo$62b5o
13b5o$49bo11bo9bo3bo9bo$14bo34b3o8bob5o4bo3bo4b5o$14b3o35bo7bo5bo4bo3b
o4bo$17bo33b2o8b2ob2o15b2o$16b2o2b2o30b3o7bob2o2b2o7b2o2b2o$20b2o31b2o
7bo5bobo5bobo$17b5o30bo6b2obo7bo5bo$53bo2b2o3bo8b2o3b2o$50bo2bo2bo$20b
5o25bo6b3o$20b2o28bobo$20b2o2b2o21b2o2b3ob2o9b2o$24bo7b2o12bobo4b2obo
10bo$25b3o5bo12bo6b2o9b3o$28bo4bobo9b2o16bo$28bo5bobo8bo10b2o5bo$25b3o
15bobo10bo7b3o$24bo18b2o12b3o7bo$24b2o11b2o20bo6bo$37b2ob2o24bo2bo7b2o
$23b2o15b2o27bo7bo$18b2obo4bob2o4b2o31bobo5bobo$18bo10bo3bobo31b2o2b2o
2b2o$19b3o4b3o4bo8bobo26bo$16bo14bobo9bobo18b2o6b2o$16b5ob4ob5ob2o10b
o18b2ob2o2b3o$22b4o19b2o15b3obo3b2o$18bobo6bobo17bo10b2obobo7bo$18b2o
8b2o17b3o7bobobo6b3o$50bo6bo3bo31bo$24b2o23bo5bobo3b2o8b2o20b3o$22bob
2o23bo2bo2b2o14bo24bo9b2o$22b5o25bo19b3o20b2o9bo$26b3o21bo2bo20bo29bo
bo$25b2o2b2o21bo45b2o4b2o$27b3o18bo49bobo$o28b2o16bob2o3b2o43b3o$3o27b
2o15bo6bo44b2o$3bo26bo15b2o7b3o$2bo2b2o24b3o23bo$2bob2obo26bo58b2o$3b
2o2bo25b2o10b2o29bob2o12bobo$6bo27b3o7bo2bo26b3obo13bo9b2o$7b3o25b2o7b
o2bo25bo4bo10b2obo9bo$10bo23bo6b2obo2bobo23b2o3bobo7bo2bo11b3o$9b2o23b
2o2b2o3bo4b2o3bo18b2o5b3o6bo16bo$38bo12b2obo15b3o8b3o5bo$14bo24b3o9bo
bo14b2o2b2o8bobob3o$11b4o37b2o15b3o12bobo$11bo25b2o29b2o14bo$38bo15b2o
10b3o14b2o$15b2o18b3o16bobo7b2o2b2o13bo$15bobo16bo18bob2o8b3o13bobo$14b
ob2o16b2o18bo3b2o4b2o11b2o2b2o$15bo4b2o11b2o23bobo2b2o12b2o$20bo11b2o
26bo3bo14bo$20bo10bo2bo25b4o15bo$19b2o9b2o2bo44b2o$23b2o3b3ob2o26b2o18b
o$23bobobobo30bo19bo$25bobo30bobo20b2o$25bobo30b2o5bo11b2o2b2o$26bo27b
2o9b3o8bobo$55bo12bo7bo$55bo11b2o5bobo$55b2o17b2o$51b2o$50bobo17b2o$50b
o18b2obo$47b2obo19b3o$45bo3bo16b2o3b3o$44bo20bobo5b2o$44bo20bo7bo$46b
o17b2o8b3o$46bo29bo$41bo3bo$34b2ob2o2bo$35bob2o2bo2bo$35bo6b2o$33bobo
$32b3o$30b3o$29bobo$29bo$28b2o!

[WhiteHawk]

How could this be further extended?
"Two confused eaters plug bound pond biting off more than they can chew tie french kiss pentoad(& many more low-period oscs with eaters in them":

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I don't think this is a question well-suited for this forum thread, probably better to posit in the sandbox. However, I do think the question you recently posed in Advanced Questions is better suited for this thread.

[Resu]

I don't think this is a question well-suited for this forum thread, probably better to posit in the sandbox. However, I do think the question you recently posed in Advanced Questions is better suited for this thread.

Oh. I was just trying to find more lower period oscillators with eater-like components.

[ThePlayzr]

How do I fix this weird glitch here where the second embedded viewer isn't there?
The page with this glitch is User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts. IF you can fix it, please do.

[Chris857]

How do I fix this weird glitch here where the second embedded viewer isn't there?
The page with this glitch is User:PK22/OCA:Travelling Ts. IF you can fix it, please do.

Apparently "|position = centre" causes it to not appear. I fixed it.

[ThePlayzr]

Apparently "|position = centre" causes it to not appear. I fixed it.

Thank you so much.

[Resu]

How was the Big glider discovered?

[SharkNose]

Is this possible with CUDA?

I jumped into the deep end and installed WSL 2 on my Windows 10 machine and with some help from Copilot, managed to compile an executable with the --cuda option. Regular test runs without cuda were processing C1-B3/S23 soups at about 5K per second. With cuda, G1-B3/S23 soups leaped way up to 600K per second! Is that right? My video card is an nVidia GTX 1050 Ti.

I've been running in test mode so far. Any hints or advice before I start submitting G1-B3/S23 hauls to Catagolue? I was planning to use my usual SharkNose Payosha256 key.

Oh, and those colorful universe displays are neat. Can you point me to an explanation of what all the numbers mean?

Thanks in advance.

[PK22]

Is this possible with CUDA?

I jumped into the deep end and installed WSL 2 on my Windows 10 machine and with some help from Copilot, managed to compile an executable with the --cuda option. Regular test runs without cuda were processing C1-B3/S23 soups at about 5K per second. With cuda, G1-B3/S23 soups leaped way up to 600K per second! Is that right? My video card is an nVidia GTX 1050 Ti.

I've been running in test mode so far. Any hints or advice before I start submitting G1-B3/S23 hauls to Catagolue? I was planning to use my usual SharkNose Payosha256 key.
Thanks in advance.

Wow, a 120x increase in speed seems very good! My GPU only leads to a 10-15x increase.

I would suggest that you ensure that your searching is fully optimised by closing down all additional programs so that apgsearch can use as much RAM as it needs.

Note that GPU searching works by only censusing soups that have a final period that is not a factor of 6, take a long time to settle, or reach the edge of the GPU’s simulated universe, so you are less likely to discover interesting still lifes (but it can still happen, some of my still life discoveries were in G1), but more likely to discover interesting oscillators, spaceships, and infinite growth patterns. You also want to have a large haul size - I typically use 1B soups for G1 hauls.

Good luck and happy searching!
Also, can you provide details about how you created the executable? I cannot figure out how.

[SharkNose]

PK22,

I pretty much followed the instructions in the README.md - "bash recompile.sh" and for the CUDA executable - "bash recompile.sh --cuda" makes a much larger executable. I hit a lot of obstacles before that. I had to get apgmera, lifelib, and cpads from GitLab (I got the zip files) and put them together. I got the normal executable at that point. When I tried the --cuda option, I had to install the nVidia nvcc cuda compilation tools first. Plus, I also installed the latest nVidia drivers in Windows 10, which I hadn't updated in years. There were some packages needed for WSL2, so I could compile even before that.

I did just get a G1 haul to Catagolue. I ran 10,000,000 soups this time just be cautious. I'll take your advice and run 1,000,000,000 next time. I think my 600k soups/per second was skewed by the fact that I ran a test of only 10,000 soups. My 10,000,000 soup haul averaged about 191k soups/second.