#C Here's a p5 analogue of 37p7.1. I searched for it in the hope of rephasing beluchenko's p37 into a p75 but it's so fragile and it doesn't work.
x = 23, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
9bo$9b3o$b2o9bo$bo9bobo2bobo$2b3ob2o2bob4ob2o$4bobo7bo6b2o$6bobo3bobob
2o3bo$bo3b2obo3bobob2o$o7bo3bobo2bo$o3b4o2b2o2bobobobo$bo2b2ob3o4b2obo
b2o$9bo7bo$9bobo2b2obo$10b2o2bobo!
!
It is possible that the oscillator can be reduced.
Scorbie wrote: March 7th, 2025, 5:30 am
Crosspost from discord: user erRoR_606 noticed that Beluchenko's p37 is completely stable without the outer block at some point... Which would possibly make phase-shift oscillators.
Here's a p5 analogue of 37p7.1 in the hope to be used in the above context, but the p5 version is very fragile and fails.
I tried some fairly generous LLS searches, but wasn't able to find anything at p3 or p5. I think the p75 = 37+38 oscillator would need to be supported by p15 or p25 block hasslers.
get_Snacked wrote: March 5th, 2025, 6:20 pm
Sokwe, p3 supports might work to reduce this hassler:
x = 31, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
5bob2o$6bo$9bo$8b3o$7bo3bo$5bo7bo8b2o$5bo7bo8bo6b2o$b2o2bo3bobo5bo2bo
bo7bo$2o5bob2obo7b2o5b3o$bo6bo2b3o3bo9bo$2bob5obob3obo$11b3obo$4bo2bo
5bob2o7bo$4bo4b5o3b3o3bobo$5bobo3b3o3b5o4bo$6bo7b2obo5bo2bo$15bob3o$14b
ob3obob5obo$3bo9bo3b3o2bo6bo$b3o5b2o7bob2obo5b2o$o7bobo2bo5bobo3bo2b2o
$2o6bo8bo7bo$7b2o8bo7bo$19bo3bo$20b3o$21bo$24bo$22b2obo!
I also tried to find p3 supports for this p51 engine, but was unsuccessful. I was again fairly generous with both the interaction site and the decaying spark, so if a solution does still exist, it's probably not easy to find.
I think it shouldn't count as a HF hassler. I think considering it "HF hassler" loses the idea of hassling
There are two issues:
Simply removing those eight bits from generation 0 causes failure of the remainder of the pattern. The given oscillator doesn't hassle that 8-bit configuration. EDIT: see the next post by hotcrystal0 for a pattern that seems to resolve this item: viewtopic.php?p=206496#p206496
Even if it were possible to remove those 8 bits while leaving everything else unchanged, the period is too low, and I don't see here anything resembling a common pre-honeyfarm sequence.
(What will be next? Imagine a low-period oscillator hassling some early generation of a long-lasting object that evolves into a single glider and nothing else. Suppose "low-period" means below 10 ticks, and "long-lasting" means hundreds of ticks. Would you want to describe such an oscillator as "glider hassler" merely because it hassles a glider predecessor? Would that be a good helpful description? Would that be a helpful category?)
I think the situation with "HF hasslers" is comparable. Most of them don't hassle the honey farm constellation, and instead hassle some predecessor.
It would be interesting to look through known "HF hasslers" and subdivide them into some (more clearly and precisely defined) categories, depending on the specific predecessor / evolutionary sequence.
MathAndCode wrote: March 10th, 2025, 3:01 pm
Does this count as a p4 honey farm hassler? I think that it should count as a p4 honey farm hassler.
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3bo$bo2bo$o3bo$o2bo$bo!
Last edited by confocaloid on March 10th, 2025, 7:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
127:1 B3/S234cUser:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
Unlikely events happen.
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confocaloid wrote: March 10th, 2025, 6:23 pm[...] There are two issues: [...]
hotcrystal0 wrote: March 10th, 2025, 7:24 pm[...] Now it’s a “true” hassler, [...]
The oscillator posted by hotcrystal0 resolves the first of two issues I mentioned above, but not the second.
See also my reply in another thread: viewtopic.php?p=206497#p206497
127:1 B3/S234cUser:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
Unlikely events happen.
My silence does not imply agreement, nor indifference. If I disagreed with something in the past, then please do not construe my silence as something that could change that.
Here's a new variant of a period-15 traffic-light hassler originally found by JP21, originally posted by EV2 as this 128-cell p3-supported variant to the Discord server:
iNoMed wrote: March 12th, 2025, 5:04 am
Here's a new variant of a period-15 traffic-light hassler originally found by JP21
Note that this is a period-15 wick from the osc-supported section of jslife. Here is a slightly smaller p3 solution, although it's larger than the p5 and p15 solutions:
Sokwe wrote: March 3rd, 2024, 2:21 am
The B-heptomino based dependent reflectors are nice, but I'm still very curious to see a method for sub-p17 independent reflection.
Here is an idea that could maybe get us periods 15 and 16 if we are extremely lucky. Start with a particular honey farm predecessor and hit it with an eater and dot spark (some other sparks work as well). This produces a banana spark potentially capable of reflecting a glider stream at p15 or p16 (but not p14). Then use additional sparkers and/or glider streams to turn the excess junk from the reaction back into a honey farm predecessor in the right location and time.
For example, here is something that ends up putting a traffic light predecessor where the honey farm predecessor should go, giving a pattern that is "4 cells off" (although in an unsolvable way) from a p15 reflector:
Here's a rather-peculiar p51 Pi hassler - partial originally found by CR116, originally completed by Sokwe using the JLS-LLS script (with a further reduction to 226 cells also by him) and reduced slightly by me to 208 cells using rlifesrc:
x = 35, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bo2bo2$11bo$9bobo4b2o8b2o$8bobo2b2o2bo8bobo2bo$8bo3bob2o12b4o$6b
obo9bo7bo$5bobo2b9o7bo3b4o$5bo2b2o4bo13b3o2bo$6bobo6b2o7b3obo2bo$5b2ob
o6b2o6bo2b2o3b2o$4bo3bob2o11b2o2b2o$5bobo2b2o$4b2ob2o2$33b2o$33bo$31bo
bo$19b2o10b2o$17bob2o$17bo2bo3$14bo2bo$14b2obo$2b2o10b2o$bobo$bo$2o2$
26b2ob2o$23b2o2bobo$6b2o2b2o11b2obo3bo$2b2o3b2o2bo6b2o6bob2o$3bo2bob3o
7b2o6bobo$bo2b3o13bo4b2o2bo$b4o3bo7b9o2bobo$8bo7bo9bobo$3b4o12b2obo3bo
$3bo2bobo8bo2b2o2bobo$7b2o8b2o4bobo$23bo2$23bo2bo$24b2o!
Of note is that one of the custom p3s is actually a surprisingly-versatile catalyst - Here it is as an eater 3 catalyst and as a period-3 Pi to glider:
Currently working to improve Life's guns and work on updating SKOPs and Isotropic rules most similar to B3/S23 to Life standards. Will get software to begin searches eventually.
hotdogPi wrote: March 17th, 2025, 1:05 pm
p100 pi-heptomino hassler... based on this partial (also mine) that doesn't work because 100 is not a multiple of 3
