Thread For Your Naming Proposals of Unnamed Patterns

[confocaloid]

Which phase of the ear sequence should be considered "the ear"?

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x = 135, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
122bo8b3o$92bo9b2o7b3o6b2ob2o5b4o$13bo8b2o9bo8b2o8b2o7bobo8bo8b3o6b4o
6b2obo6b2ob2o4bo9b2o3bo$ob3o5bob2o6bo3bo6b2obo6bo2bo6b3o7bo2bo5b2ob2o
5b2o2bo4bo3bo5bo3bo4b2obob2o3bo6bo2bo$2o8b4o6bo2bo6bob2o6bo9bo2bo6bo2b
o6bo2b2o4b2o8bo2bo5b2o2b2o4b3ob3o2bo3bo5b3ob4o$21b2o8b2o8b3o7b2o8b3o6b
o2bo6b2obo5b4o6bo3bo4b2o3bo4bobob3o6b3o$52bo8b2o8bobo8bo8b2o9bo30bo!

(Compare pi-heptomino vs. house, B-heptomino vs. B-heptaplet, R-pentomino relatives, honeyfarm predecessors, etc.)

[Chris857]

To my eye, phases 1, 3, and 5 that you posted look fairly ear-like (as in a human ear, if you rotate them from how you posted). I think I'm a fan of the first one for being the lowest population.

[Timelord Missionary]

I like gen. 6 because it is the first one included in every ear hassler, but gen 5 looks good too. You wouldn't say

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o$2o!

is the base case of the wing, would you?

[hotdogPi]

From my experience, generation 6 (5 if you begin at 0) is where predecessors converge, but that obviously isn't 100% authoritative as to naming.

[Timelord Missionary]

Inspired by the recent discovery of the tarantula, I decided to name 46P4H1V0 the "flattie", as it is, in order:

• flat, like the name and both spider-themed c/5 spaceships

• has pre-traffic light front-ends, like the tarantula,

• sparks on both sides, like the spider,

• and a gutter in the middle like both.

It is also faster than the p5, and flatties are spiders known for being fast. Here it is in front of the other two for easy comparison:

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x = 72, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
4$30bo11bo$29b3o9b3o$29b3o9b3o2$29b4ob2ob2ob4o$27bobo5bobo5bobo$30b2o
3bobo3b2o$26bo2bo2b3o3b3o2bo2bo$26bobo15bobo7$9b3o13b3o$9b3o4bo3bo4b3o
$10bo4b3ob3o4bo16bo3b3o5b3o3bo$7bo6bob2ob2obo6bo10b2ob5ob2o3b2ob5ob2o
$7b5ob2o2bobo2b2ob5o8bob2obo5bobobobo5bob2obo$7bob3o3b2o3b2o3b3obo7bo
3bobo3b5ob5o3bobo3bo$6b2o3bobo2bo3bo2bobo3b2o10b3o5b2o3b2o5b3o$5bo6b2o
9b2o6bo6bo2bob3o13b3obo2bo$6b2o4b2o9b2o4b2o9bo23bo!

Any thoughts? Would this make sense, or do we want to stick with the current systematic name?

[confocaloid]

A fishing line catalyst is any of several families of modifications of eater 1, as shown below. The common theme is a diagonal chain of dominoes touching each other at vertices ("fishing line"), allowing gliders to pass closer than would be possible with just eater 1. The exact way of terminating the diagonal chain of dominoes is unimportant, as long as it does not sabotage the improved clearance for passing gliders. In particular, a fishing line catalyst can be made symmetric, with one object replacing two eater 1s.

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x = 146, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
6bo17bo21bo17bo21bo17bo21bo17bo$7bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo$5b3o
15b3o19b3o15b3o19b3o15b3o19b3o15b3o2$13b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$10b2o2bo35b
2o2bo35b2o2bo27bo7b2o2bo$10bob2o36bob2o36bob2o26bobo7bob2o$12bo39bo39b
o28b2o9bo$12bo39bo39bo39bo$6b2o2b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$6bo2bo36b2obo39bo
35b2o2bo$8b2o36bob2o37b3o35bo3bo$86bo39b3o$86b2o36bobo$124b2o6$6bo17bo
21bo17bo21bo17bo21bo17bo$7bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo$5b3o15b3o19b
3o15b3o19b3o15b3o19b3o15b3o2$13b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$10b2o2bo35b2o2bo35b
2o2bo35b2o2bo$10bob2o36bob2o36bob2o36bob2o$12bo39bo39bo39bo$12bo39bo
39bo26bo12bo$10b2o38b2o38b2o25bobo10b2o$9bo39bo39bo28b2o9bo$9bo39bo39b
o39bo$3b2o2b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$3bo2bo36b2obo39bo35b2o2bo$5b2o36bob2o37b
3o35bo3bo$83bo39b3o$83b2o36bobo$121b2o3$6bo17bo21bo17bo21bo17bo21bo17b
o$7bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo23bo15bo$5b3o15b3o19b3o15b3o19b3o15b3o19b3o
15b3o2$13b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$10b2o2bo35b2o2bo35b2o2bo35b2o2bo$10bob2o
36bob2o36bob2o36bob2o$12bo39bo39bo39bo$12bo39bo39bo39bo$10b2o38b2o38b
2o38b2o$9bo39bo39bo39bo$9bo39bo39bo26bo12bo$7b2o38b2o38b2o25bobo10b2o$
6bo39bo39bo28b2o9bo$6bo39bo39bo39bo$2o2b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$o2bo36b2obo
39bo35b2o2bo$2b2o36bob2o37b3o35bo3bo$80bo39b3o$80b2o36bobo$118b2o!
#C [[ THEME Catagolue GRID ]]

[get_Snacked]

When someone who I believe is Discord-only asked if this somewhat common dying spark had a name, [...]
[...] I am personally (weakly) leaning against, but I feel like proposals need to be made public to the entire community.

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2bo$2ob2o$2ob2o$2o2bo!

From related discussion (about another spark with no evidence of notability)

[...] The spark is there, but it is unclear why this particular spark would deserve a name. Is it particularly useful as a spark? Can it perturb reactions in an unique way that no simpler spark can do? [...]

the drone is created at generation 19 of the dove and can be made by sparking a LOM:

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x = 21, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
2.D$2D.2D$2D.2D$2D2.D10.2A.2A$15.5A$16.3A2$.3A$.A2.A11.3A$2.A2.A10.C2.
CD$3.2A11.DCACD$16.2D.2D$18.D!

[WhiteHawk]

31c/240 spaceship, 62887 cells:

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Of course up to FWKnightship for the name, but proposing the name "Water Strider" for the new smallest 31c/240 (and it's minor reductions) to keep with insect references.

EDIT:It's also kind of rectangle/square-shaped, like a water strider.

EDIT 2:

Found a smaller backend, reduced my spaceship to 60582 cells:

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I guess the name can also be applied to any reductions.

EDIT 3: Just realized Calcyman completely predicted the layout of Mannaz/Water Strider

Calcyman made a start at working out how to use the 31c/240 fuses to construct a Caterpillar-type spaceship:

Here's a potential basis for a forward rake travelling on a symmetrical arrangement of four block tracks:
...

...

[hotdogPi]

Anivec (who you still know as AlbertArmStain on the forum if you don't use Discord) has, somewhat jokingly, called the highlighted region below "er", as it was described as being a loafer without a loaf. (Just ignore the other five cells.) It's ranked #58 (zero-indexed) in census.rle, and I've seen it a decent amount.

This is a procedural crosspost, as it's not my name.

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
.2A2.A.2A$A2.A2.2A$.A.A$2.A$8.C$6.3C$5.C$6.C$7.2C!

[confocaloid]

[...] "er", as it was described as being a loafer without a loaf. [...]

I think that's likely to be confused with (a typo for) "ear" which now refers to a different unrelated object viewtopic.php?p=201368#p201368

[Timelord Missionary]

Anivec (who you still know as AlbertArmStain on the forum if you don't use Discord) has, somewhat jokingly, called the highlighted region below "er", as it was described as being a loafer without a loaf. (Just ignore the other five cells.) It's ranked #58 (zero-indexed) in census.rle, and I've seen it a decent amount.

This is a procedural crosspost, as it's not my name.

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
.2A2.A.2A$A2.A2.2A$.A.A$2.A$8.C$6.3C$5.C$6.C$7.2C!

I like it. It's also used in a couple of c/6 orthagonal spaceships in a different phase of its evolution:

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x = 56, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
5bo6bo30bo6bo$4bobo4bobo28bobo4bobo$4bobo4bobo28bobo4bobo$5bo6bo30bo6b
o2$4b3o4b3o28b3o4b3o$4b4o2b4o11b6o11b4o2b4o$7bo2bo13bo6bo13bo2bo$4b3o
b2ob3o9bo8bo9b3ob2ob3o$4b2o6b2o10bo2b2o2bo10b2o6b2o$3b2o8b2o26b2o8b2o
$20b3o10b3o$2bo12bo3bo3bo8bo3bo3bo12bo$o2bo10bo2bo2bo14bo2bo2bo10bo2b
o$o2bo10bo2bo4b2o8b2o4bo2bo10bo2bo2$3b3o6b3o26b3o6b3o$3bo10bo8bo8bo8b
o10bo$5bo6bo9b3o6b3o9bo6bo$3b3o6b3o6bobobo4bobobo6b3o6b3o$20bo5bo2bo5b
o$6bob2obo32bob2obo$7bo2bo34bo2bo$3bob2ob2ob2obo12b2o12bob2ob2ob2obo$
3b3o6b3o10bo4bo10b3o6b3o$24bo6bo$3bobo6bobo8bo8bo8bobo6bobo$3bobo6bob
o8b2ob4ob2o8bobo6bobo$b3ob3o2b3ob3o22b3ob3o2b3ob3o2$25b2o2b2o$25b2o2b
2o2$27b2o$26b4o$25b2o2b2o$25bo4bo$27b2o$25bo4bo$25bo4bo$20bo14bo$19bo
bo4bo2bo4bobo$22bo3b4o3bo$19bo16bo$21b2o10b2o$20b3o10b3o$25bo4bo$23b2o
bo2bob2o$23b2o2b2o2b2o$23b2o6b2o$24b2ob2ob2o$24b2ob2ob2o3$22b3o6b3o$21b
o3bo4bo3bo$24bo6bo$21b2o10b2o3$21bo12bo$20b3o10b3o$19bobobo8bobobo$18b
o5bo6bo5bo!

The objects in question are above the arrows. I know it might be in others but I couldn't find any with a surface-level search of the wiki. Maybe call it a "fer" so it doesn't get confused?

EDIT: Both types, side by side, so one can see that they are the same object:

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x = 15, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo6b2o$8bobo$2obo4bo3bobo$2b3o4b4obo$11b2obo!

[confocaloid]

[...] It's also used in a couple of c/6 orthagonal spaceships in a different phase of its evolution: [...] The objects in question are above the arrows. I know it might be in others but I couldn't find any with a surface-level search of the wiki. Maybe call it a "fer" so it doesn't get confused?

IMO, "used in spaceships" would mean that someone actually wanted to use it (had an intent to use it; tried to use that particular configuration) in those spaceships. But I don't think that kind of claim can be supported by what is known.
Most likely, that configuration simply happened to appear in some spaceships or patterns before, without being deliberately added there.

Hence a question. Does it seem useful to isolate that configuration, when looking at those patterns where it happens to occur? Can it be considered (in some useful, illuminating way) a "component" or "building block" of some sort?

Other than because it exists, why does this object need a name? It's not going to become any more interesting just because it got a name.

[Timelord Missionary]

[...]

IMO, "used in spaceships" would mean that someone actually wanted to use it (had an intent to use it; tried to use that particular configuration) in those spaceships. But I don't think that kind of claim can be supported by what is known.
Most likely, that configuration simply happened to appear in some spaceships or patterns before, without being deliberately added there.

Hence a question. Does it seem useful to isolate that configuration, when looking at those patterns where it happens to occur? Can it be considered (in some useful, illuminating way) a "component" or "building block" of some sort?

Other than because it exists, why does this object need a name? It's not going to become any more interesting just because it got a name.

That's absolutely true. I think that it could be a useful building block, but there are simply too few spaceships for which it is a part of.
Only slightly related: on the Loafer page on the wiki, in the "in other rules" part, it is called the foot of the loafer.

[hotcrystal0]

Reposting this:

Abbreviating the e9jp as Y (but not properly naming it) randomly popped into my head one day. However, I’m also proposing the sequence on the right be called Y’ since the e9jp evolved into it plus a spark, but all e9jp conduits I know of don’t interact that late:

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
.D.D15.D.D.D$.D.D15.D.D.D$2.D17.D$2.D17.D$2.D17.D3$2.A$.3A$A2.2A$2A3.
A15.3A$21.A2.A$20.A3.A$24.A2$.3A$.A2.A$A2.2A$2A2.A!

[confocaloid]

There were already a bit too many discussions/arguments about how one might name the active object appearing in the Speed Tunnel.

My current preference is to refer to it as "JJ", because it appears in the Jubjub reflector.

Any attempt to use just a single letter looks problematic to me, I think it doesn't really need a single-letter abbreviation (best to reserve the remainder of the alphabet for something that would be clearly and unambiguously useful), and some of suggested letters are more problematic than others.

[WhiteHawk]

I think the name "p14 baker's dozen" is fine. The name implies that it's the p14 equivalent to a baker's dozen. The claimed name wasn't "p14 baker's dozen hassler".

I'm putting my vote in for "baker's cousin"

Reposting to move future discussion to this thread. Naming Proposals are off-topic in Oscillator Discussion Thread

[rabbit]

Reposting to move future discussion to this thread. Naming Proposals are off-topic in Oscillator Discussion Thread

I guess I just haven't been active here in a while then. It appears the mods completely deleted that post without notifying me which is kind of upsetting, I would've at least liked to have known they considered it spam when I was trying to contribute in good faith. I figured if hotdogPi's post was allowed then mine was.

I realize there's a difference and will be more careful in the future.

[confocaloid]

Rather than deleting the original post, I think it would make more sense to move the original post into a thread where it would fit better, and instead delete the unnecessary "reposting-to-move-future-discussion" quote.

[dvgrn]

Yup, confocaloid's suggestion would have been better.

I deleted the original post because a complete copy was saved in WhiteHawk's cross-posting. To get rid of the duplication I would have had to delete either the original post or WhiteHawk's cross-posting -- but WhiteHawk's cross-posting had more information in it.

I.e., the naming suggestion was in fact a little bit off-topic, though very minorly so. It was a little bit different from hotdogPi's existing-name-explanation post. WhiteHawk's post explained the reason for the shift to this thread. So I left that post in place.

No disrespect or spam-judgment was intended.

[hotcrystal0]

My current preference is to refer to it as "JJ", because it appears in the Jubjub reflector.

Any attempt to use just a single letter looks problematic to me, I think it doesn't really need a single-letter abbreviation (best to reserve the remainder of the alphabet for something that would be clearly and unambiguously useful), and some of suggested letters are more problematic than others.

I believe that any multiple-letter name is problematic, but accented letters are fine. Maybe Ĵ could be used as the letter so Y is freed up for a “X-to-Y”?

[Resu]

xs56_c9ba9e0e9ab9cz39d5970795d93 : Union jack 2

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
b2obo3bob2o$2b2obobob2o$o4bobo4bo$6ob6o2$6ob6o$o4bobo4bo$2b2obobob2o$
b2obo3bob2o!

Looks quite like xs52_c9ba96069ab9cz39d5960695d93 (union jack)

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
b2obo3bob2o$2b2obobob2o$o4bobo4bo$5o3b5o2$5o3b5o$o4bobo4bo$2b2obobob2o
$b2obo3bob2o!

[ThePlayzr]

I think that this still life component below should be called long curl.

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bo2bo$bob2o$2o!

So that means xs18_8ehlmzw12452 is long curl tie dove, xs15_3213ob96 is long curl and snake, xs15_69bojd is long curl siamese shillelagh, xs15_25a8ob96 is tub with tail siamese long curl, and xs15_6413ob96 is long curl and aircraft carrier.
There are probably more still lives with this still life component, but these are just some examples.

[hotcrystal0]

Inspired by one of wwei’s past nicknames in DroneBetter’s Discord server, I am proposing to name 754P7 the “P7 heavywweight sparker”.

[hotdogPi]

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x = 7, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2o$2bobo$2bobo$b2ob2o$4bo$4bo$2o2bobo$obo2b2o$2bo$2bo$b2ob2o$2bobo
$2bobo$b2ob2o!

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b3s23/C2_2/xp8

About two years ago, I named this and a lot of variants on Catagolue as "p8 flipper with [specific variant]" on Catagolue, since it was appearing seminaturally a decent amount. With new G2 searches running, more and more stator variants are being found.

A few days ago, Discord user "rabbit" (not sure if she has an account on the forum) accidentally called the above form "table flipper", I at the time forgot I named it on Catagolue, and I told her that the oscillator is currently unnamed and was asking if that should be the new name (without knowing it was a mangling of "p8 flipper with mirrored tables" at first). She thought "table flipper" was a good name despite it being an error at first.

However:
* The form with hats is both fewer cells and more common, which would make "table flipper" meaningless if it was the base form.
* The long hook with tail form is actually the most common form; I can't figure out why, since a sampling of soups shows it forming in many different ways with no common predecessor.

[WhiteHawk]

I noticed this specific spark reaction in several places on several oscillators recently, and would like to propose the name "honey thumb" for it. Two different predecessors (one from most oscillators where I have seen the spark and one from the p45 I constructed with it)

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x = 10, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
8bo$6b2obo$b2o4b2o$b2o10$o3bo$2o2bo$2b2obo$4bobo$7b3o$5bob3o!

examples of oscillators which produce the spark

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x = 51, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$24b2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo18b2o5b2o$16b2o16bo7b2o$35b2o$36bo$2b2o21b
o7bobo$2b2o4b2o15bo15b2o$7b2obo22b3o4bob2o$9bo15bo15bo$24bobo$47b2o$24b
3o20bobo$2o47bo$bo47b2o$bobo20b3o$2b2o$24bobo$9bo15bo15bo$7b2obo4b3o22b
ob2o$8b2o15bo15b2o4b2o$15bobo7bo21b2o$14bo$14b2o$7b2o7bo16b2o$7b2o5b2o
18bo$31b3o$31bo$25b2o$25b2o!

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x = 37, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
7bobo2bobo$3b2obo2bo2bo2bob2o$7bobo2bobo3$2o$obo$bo8b3o$5b3o2b2o6bo3b
o$5b2o2b2o7b2o2bo$5b2o13b2obo$bo20bobo$bo23b3o$23bob3o$35b2o$10b2o23b
o$10b2o21bobo$33b2o2$15b2o4b2o4bo$15b2o$19bo4b2o$23b2o$14b2o7bo$15bo3b
o2bo$12b3o4b2o$12bo18bo$31bo$30bobo$31bo$31bo$22b3o6bo$22bobo6bo$22bo
2bo4bobo$23b3o5bo$14bo9b2o5bo$13b3o$12b5o5bo$21b3o2$28b2o$28b2o3$12b5o
4b3o$13b3o6bo$14bo$24b2o$23bobo$19bo3bobo$18bobo3bo$18b2o!