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[WhiteHawk]

Actually, they're similar enough to allow a stably-supported monomer of that p21 honey farm hassler to be built:

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x = 25, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$8bo2bo$5b3o3b3o$4bo3b3o3bo$4b2obo3b3o$8b2obo$3bob2obobo$3b2ob2o3$
10bobo7b2o$9bobob2o6bo$9bobo9bob2o$4b2o4bo7b2ob2obo$3bobo13bo$3bo15bo$
2b2o14b2ob2o$o2bobob2o8bo2bobo$2o2b2obo8bob2o$7bobo6bobo$7b2obo3bobo2b
o$10bo3b2o2b2o$10b2o!

Should this p21 HF hassler be added to the Period-21 honey farm hasslers? It has a fairly small population and BB, though it is similar to two HF hasslers already in there.

[confocaloid]

All three variations could flock together:

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#C Left to right:
#C (1) p21 honey farm hassler, found by Carson Cheng on July 13, 2023, and monomerized by Entity Valkyrie on the same day,
#C source: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=164529#p164529
#C (2) p21 honey farm hassler, found by mvr, source: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=191010#p191010
#C (3) p21 honey farm hassler, found by iNoMed, source: https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=191025#p191025
x = 125, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6b4o$5bobob2o$5b2o3b2o$10bo$12bo$9b3o$8b2o2b2o$5b2o2b2o$7b3o57b2o
38b2o$6bo61bo2bo36bo2bo$8bo56b3o3b3o31b3o3b3o$7b2o3b2o50bo3b3o3bo29bo
3b3o3bo$8b2obobo50b2obo3b3o30b2obo3b3o$9b4o6b2o47b2obo36b2obo$10b2o7bo
3b2o38bob2obobo32bob2obobo$21bo2bo38b2ob2o35b2ob2o$20b2obo$20bo2b4o8bo
20b2o2b2o$10bobo7b3o3bo6b3o20bo2bobo8bobo7b2o28bobo7b2o$9bobob2o5bo2b
4o5bo24bobo9bobob2o6bo27bobob2o6bo$9bobo8b2obo2bo4bobo22b2obo9bobo9bob
2o24bobo9bob2o$4b2o4bo5bo4bob2o2bo2b4o19bobo2bo11bo7b2ob2obo19b2o4bo7b
2ob2obo$3bobo10bo4bobobo2bo5b2o17b2ob2o21bo23bobo13bo$3bo18b2ob4obob2o
2bo19bo22bo23bo15bo$2b2o20bo4b2obo2bo20bo21b2ob2o19b2o14b2ob2o$o2bobob
2o15bob2o5b2o16bob2ob2o7bo11bo2bobo17bo2bobob2o8bo2bobo$2o2b2obo15b2ob
o24b2obo9bobo9bob2o20b2o2b2obo8bob2o$7bobo16bo27bo6b2obobo9bobo28bobo
6bobo$7b2obo15b2o26b2o7bobo8bobo2bo27b2obo3bobo2bo$10bo63b2o2b2o30bo3b
2o2b2o$10b2o98b2o$68b2ob2o$65bobob2obo$64bob2o$62b3o3bob2o$61bo3b3o3bo
$62b3o3b3o$64bo2bo$67b2o!

[Citation needed]

Which "Koenig" discovered the Koenig's Colourised Life? Is it Hkoenig?
The page named "Koenig" was blank.

[dvgrn]

Which "Koenig" discovered the Koenig's Colourised Life? Is it Hkoenig?

Yes. Link added.

[Citation needed]

Which "Koenig" discovered the Koenig's Colourised Life? Is it Hkoenig?

Yes. Link added.

Thank you very much.

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[WhiteHawk]

All three variations could flock together:

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I think that is the most logical layout, but then the duplicate HF hasslers already in there would need to be deleted to avoid repeats.

Not saying that's a terrible problem, just something to consider when citing the original posts these oscillators came from.

[R2INT]

The image at File:Spaceship_ford_circles.png says that no 3c/7's are known, despite there being known 3c/7 spaceships. Can someone edit that image to account for the new discoveries?

[dbell]

The 'Oscillator periods' section in the 'LifeWiki:Game_of_Life_Status_page' can be simplified.

The green and yellow descriptions, and even the table itself are unnecessary.

They could be replaced by a simple statement like the following:

Oscillators are known for all periods. For each period, an oscillator is known having at least one cell which oscillates at the full period.

BCNU,
-dbell

[WhiteHawk]

The 'Oscillator periods' section in the 'LifeWiki:Game_of_Life_Status_page' can be simplified.

Done.

All three variations could flock together:

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How should it be noted that all 3 were discovered at different times?

[confocaloid]

I think one could add an embedded viewer or embedded viewers with descriptions and credits, and add footnotes linking to the forum posts where those patterns were first posted.

[WhiteHawk]

Unrelated to my last suggestion: Should there be a LifeWiki page for 4diagonal? There are a lot of interesting things in that rule: Super-small C/7, two C/17s, small p41 glider gun, p32 LOM hassler supported only by blocks, statorless P90 (Strictly Volatile?), infinite growth based on the Century, failed reflectorless rotating herschel that can be supported and form a gun.

Edit: Pattern collection if it helps (note TL hasslers trigger B4c, so there are a lot of periods of TL hasslers not shown here that work) - Left side are patterns which don't work/evolve differently in B34c/S234c

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x = 486, y = 320, rule = B34c/S23
440bo7b2o$159bo13bo3bo22bo3bo108bobobo2bobobo115b3o5bobob2o$172b3ob3o
20b3ob3o130b3o18b3o83bo6bobobo7bo$159bo11b2obobob2o18b2obobob2o11bobo
bo10b2o82bo2bo3bo10bo3bo5bo10bo3bo22bo17bo40b2o5bo2bo2bo5bobo$170b2o7b
2o16b2o7b2o19b2o3bobo99bo5bo3bobo8bo5bo20bobo15bobo46b2o2b2o7bo$159bo
11bo7bo18bo7bo15bo4bo85bobobo2bo3bo18bo3bo27b2o4bob2o15b2obo4b2o$122b
2o46b2o7b2o16b2o7b2o20bobobo100bo7bobo3bo6bo7bo12b2o3b2ob2o15b2ob2o3b
2o$119b2ob6o31bo8b2obobo3bobob2o12b2obobo3bobob2o8bobobo94bo2bo3bo8bo
7bob2ob2o6bo7bo18bob2o15b2obo34b2o$117b2ob3obo3bo40bobob2ob2obobo14bo
bob2ob2obobo21bobobo147bobo15bobo36bo$111b2o3bo4b2obo3b2o2b2o25bo6b2o
bo2bobobobo2bob2o8b2obo2bobobobo2bob2o6bo16bo77bobobo2bobobo9bo5bo14b
o5bo21bo17bo37bobo$106bo4b2o2b2o3bob2o4bo3b2o32b2obob2obobob2obob2o8b
2obob2obobob2obob2o16bobo3b2o99bo3bo16bo3bo79b2o4b2o13b2o$106b3o7bo3b
ob3ob2o31bo6bo2bo4bobo4bo2bo8bo2bo4bobo4bo2bo6bobobo5b2o106b3o18b3o85b
o2bo11bo2bo$109bo7b6ob2o39b2o2bob2obobob2obo2b2o6b2o2bob2obobob2obo2b
2o231b2ob2o10b2ob2o$108b2o11b2o36bo5bo19bo6bo19bo231bo2bo11bo2bo$130b
2o32bobo17bobo4bobo17bobo32b2o197b2o13b2o4b2o$111b2o18bo27bo58bobobo9b
o13bo100bo118bobo$110bo20bobo33b3o11b3o10b3o11b3o20bobo14bo98b3o118bo
$99b3o9b2o3bo15bobo24bo10bo9bo16bo9bo14bo24b2o101bo117b2o$98bo15b2ob2o
14bo3b2o32bo7bo18bo7bo24bobo8b2o105b2o8b2o6b2o$98bo3bo12bobo19b2o20bo
8b2ob2o5b2ob2o12b2ob2o5b2ob2o8bobobo10b2o5bo2bo2bo111bo2bo4bo2bo$98bo
2bobo12bo54bob2ob2obo18bob2ob2obo26b2o5b2o3b3o3b2o99b2o3b6o2b6o74bo7b
2o2b2o$100bobo2bo4b2o47bo11bo2bobo2bo18bo2bobo2bo15bo8bobo12bo2bo2bo98b
obo4bo2bo4bo2bo74bobo5bo2bo2bo$101bo3bo4b2o62bobo24bobo45b2o100bo7b2o
6b2o76bo7bobobo$105bo53bo11b2obobob2o18b2obobob2o11bobobo8bobo10b2o105b
obo100b2obobo7bo$102b3o69bobo24bobo28bo11bo107b2o104b2o8b2o$159bo8b3o
9b3o12b3o9b3o36bo220b2o$116b2o50bo13bo12bo13bo35b2o$115b3o41bo177b2o6b
2o$108bo3b2o4bo48b2o13b2o10b2o13b2o125bo2bo4bo2bo$107bo5b5o41bo6bo17b
o8bo17bo123b6o2b6o$106bo3b2obo55b3o7b3o14b3o7b3o25bo3bo97bo2bo4bo2bo$
107b2ob2ob2o44bo6b2o3bo7bo3b2o8b2o3bo7bo3b2o6bo3bo11bo3bo98b2o6b2o8b2o
$107b2o4b2o120b3o47bobo67bo93b2o$107bo51bo11b2o5b2o18b2o5b2o11bo3bo6b
2o2b2o3b2o2b2o34b2obo2bobobo2bob2o61b3o80b2o7bobo15b2o$106b3o14b2o48b
o30bo24bo2b3o3b3o2bo35bob4obob4obo64bo80b2o7bo17b2o$104bo4bo13b2o34bo
12b2o30b2o12bobobo7b3o7b3o36bo5b3o5bo154b3o$104bo5bo59b3obo28bob3o69b
2obob2o5b2obob2o$110bo5bo42bo9b2o3bo28bo3b2o13bo7b3o7b3o34bo2bobobo3b
obobo2bo$104bo5bo4bobo50bo3bo2bo26bo2bo3bo19bo2b3o3b3o2bo35bo6bo6bo$104b
o3bo5bo3bo40bo13bobo26bobo17bo6b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o34b2ob4obob4ob2o143b2o8b
3o$104bo2bo5bo4bo49b2o2b5o24b5o2b2o25b3o43bo4bo4bo146b2o8bo17b2o$105b
obo5b2o3bo40bo74bo3bo39b2o2bo2bobo2bo2b2o18bobobo2bobobo9b2o8bo40bo62b
obo15b2o$106bobo3bo5bo55b3o24b3o30bo3bo39bob2o4bo4b2obo39b2o8b2o9b2o18b
2o8b2o9b2o51b2o$107bo3b2o2bo43bo110b2o11b7o11b2o14bo6bo20b2o8b2o18b2o
9b2o8b2o$111bo3b2o84b3o66bo2bob2o2b2ob9ob2o2b2obo2bo43bo40bo$111bobob
o43bo14b2o24b2ob2o63b2o2b2obo2bobob2o5b2obobo2bob2o2b2o8bobobo2bobobo
46b2o$174b2o61b2o9b2o17bo2b2o4bob2o4bo3bo4b2obo4b2o2bo65b2o26b2o$112b
3o44bo15bo24bo3bo31bo2bo8bobo7b2o7b2o4b2obo5bobo3bobo5bob2o4b2o11bo2b
o78b2o$218bobobo10bo3bobo10bo8bo8bob2obobo2b2obo2bo3bo2bob2o2bobob2ob
o$159bo71b3o3bob2o10bo5b2o9bobo2bo3b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o3bo2bobo8bobobo2bob
obo$218bo11bo21bo3bo10b2o2bobo3b2ob13ob2o3bobo2b2o76bobo$108bo40b3o7b
o70bob2obobo14bob2o10bo2bo5bob2o5b5o5b2obo5bo2bo75b2o$106b2o40bo69bob
obo8bo9bo25b3o2b3ob3o5b2ob2o5b3ob3o2b3o77bo$107b2o39bo3bo6bo75bobob2o
bo8b2obo11bo2bo5bob2o5b5o5b2obo5bo2bo84b2o$148bo2bobo68bo19bo7bo3bo12b
2o2bobo3b2ob13ob2o3bobo2b2o84b2o$150bobo2bo3bo42b3o3b3o21b2obo3b3o6b2o
5bo12bobo2bo3b3o3b2o3b2o3b3o3bo2bobo29b2o8bo27b2o18bo$151bo3bo46bo2bo
bo2bo7bobobo10bobo3bo7bo8bo11bob2obobo2b2obo2bo3bo2bob2o2bobob2obo29b
2o8b2o25b2o27b2o$155bo3bo42bo7bo22bo2bo10b2o7bobo8b2o4b2obo5bobo3bobo
5bob2o4b2o39b2o8b2o13b2o27b2o$152b3o47bo7bo23b2o21b2o8bo2b2o4bob2o4bo
3bo4b2obo4b2o2bo40bo8b2o22bo18b2o$159bo43bobobobo58b2o2b2obo2bobob2o5b
2obobo2bob2o2b2o75b2o$270bo2bob2o2b2ob9ob2o2b2obo2bo76b2o$159bo7b3ob3o
32bo11bobobo47b2o11b7o11b2o85bo$56b2o86b2o21bo5bo31b3o23b2o45bob2o4bo
4b2obo93b2o$53b2ob6o82bo14bo8b2ob2o31b5o9bo12b2o45b2o2bo2bobo2bo2b2o92b
obo$51b2ob3obo3bo69bo12b3o22bo34b3o26bo46bo4bo4bo$45b2o3bo4b2obo3b2o2b
2o52b2o9b2o8b2o4bo11bo45b3o10bobobo8bo2bo43b2ob4obob4ob2o$40bo4b2o2b2o
3bob2o4bo3b2o52b2o8b2o9b2o25b2ob2o32b3o23bo47bo6bo6bo77b2o$40b3o7bo3b
ob3ob2o68bo28bo7bo5bo31bobo10bo3bo10bob2o40bo2bobobo3bobobo2bo75b2o26b
2o$43bo7b6ob2o105b2ob2ob2ob2o29bobo27b2o40b2obob2o5b2obob2o48bo54b2o$
42b2o11b2o102bo4bo4b3o4bo29bo11bobobo12b2o42bo5b3o5bo40b2o8b2o9b2o27b
o$64b2o98bo4bobo4bo102bob4obob4obo40b2o9b2o8b2o17b2o8b2o9b2o$45b2o18b
o93bo9bobo108b2o2bobobo2b2o53bo27b2o9b2o8b2o$44bo20bobo99bobobobo111b
obo98bo$33b3o9b2o3bo15bobo90bo9bobo$32bo15b2ob2o14bo3b2o93b2obobob2o43b
obobo11b2o5b2o11b2o$32bo3bo12bobo19b2o86bo6b2obobob2o59bo2bobo2bo12bo
$32bo2bobo12bo116bobobobo44bo3bo29bobo59bobobo2bobobo36bo2b2o$34bobo2b
o4b2o113bo8b2ob2o61bo2bobo2bo118bobo2bo$35bo3bo4b2o55b2o64bobobobo44b
obobo10bo2bo3bo2bo6bobo2b2o61bo2bo18bo20bobobo$39bo60bo58bo6b2obobob2o
58bobo5bobo96b3o17b2obob2o$36b3o61bo2bo62b3o3b3o43bo3bo11bo7bo5bobo2b
o3bo56bobobo2bobobo17bo16bo2bo3bo$104bo54bo88b2o3bo4bo83b2o17bo2b3obo
$50b2o35b2o3b2o4b2o3b2o3b2o56bobo3bobo26bo9bo6bobobo11b2o5b2o12bobobo
58bo6bo34bo2b2o3bo$49b3o35b2o3b2o3b2o4b2o3b2o49bo5bo2bo3bo2bo24b3o7b3o
21b2o5b2o13bobobo91b3o6bo2b4o$42bo3b2o4bo39bo73bo7bo24b2obo7bob2o43bo
4bo51bobobo2bobobo25bo2bo5bo2bo$41bo5b5o41bo2bo62bo6bobo3bobo24b3o9b3o
44bo3bo73b2o12bo2bo6b2obob5o$40bo3b2obo48bo70b2o3b2o25b3o3b3o3b3o121b
o2bo6b3o3bo2bo6bobo2bo2bo$41b2ob2ob2o45b2o63bo6bo7bo25b2o3b3o3b2o46b2o
69bo2bo2bobo6bo2bo3b3o6bo2bo$41b2o4b2o120bobo34bo123b5obob2o6bo2bo12b
2o$41bo117bo6b2o5b2o161bo2bo5bo2bo$40b3o14b2o105bo11bo155b4o2bo6b3o$38b
o4bo13b2o100bo4b2o9b2o154bo3b2o2bo$38bo5bo119b2o9b2o154bob3o2bo17b2o$
44bo5bo108bo6bo7bo41bo2bobobo108bo3bo2bo16bo$38bo5bo4bobo112b2o9b2o58b
2o4b2o16b2o4bo67b2obob2o17b3o$38bo3bo5bo3bo106bo4b2ob2o3b2ob2o39bo2bo
3bo11b2o4b2o17bo3bobo67bobobo20bo85b2o$38bo2bo5bo4bo204bobo4bobo66bo2b
obo106bobo$39bobo5b2o3bo106bo56bo2bo3bo11bo6bo13bo6b2obob2o63b2o2bo109b
o4b2o$40bobo3bo5bo112b3o5b3o24bo9bo23bobo4bobo12b2o2b2o4b2obo173b4ob2o
2bo2bo$41bo3b2o2bo69bobobo10bo9bo14bo5bob7obo23b3o7b3o4bo2bo3bo5b2o2b
o3bo2bo3bo2b2o14b3o171b2o4bo2bobobobob2o$45bo3b2o83b3o5b3o20bobob3obo
bo22b2obo7bob2o16b2o3bobo4bobo3b2o16bo48bobobo2bobobo22bo88bo8bobobob
o$45bobobo69bo3bo13bo3bo17bo9b3o26b3o9b3o3bo2bobobo11bo6bo15bo4b2o81b
3o90bo7b2obobo$130b2o4b2o3b2o23bo3bo3bo23b3o9b3o48bobo54bo2bo23bo54bo
3bo2bobobo23b5o11bo$46b3o70bobobo7bo27bo10bo27b3o3b3o3b3o22bo6bo15b2o
bo3bob2o76b2o88bo$131bobo33bo5bo25b2o4bo4b2o17b2o3bobo4bobo3b2o11b2ob
ob2obo45bobobo2bobobo74bo3bo2bo3bo4bo21b4o$123bo8b2o25bo8b2ob2o30bobo
bo21b2o2bo3bo2bo3bo2b2o8bo4bobo70b3o100bo2bo4b2o$137b5o25b2o3b2o60bob
o4bobo13b4obobo53bo2bo3bo10bo63bobobo2bobobo2bobobo27b2o$83b3o33bobob
o11bo7bo15bo6b2o5b2o60bo6bo17bob2o79bo89b2o$54bo27bo54b5o23bo2bo3bo2b
o81b3o54bobobo2bobobo16b3o59bo6bo4bo16bo2bob2o$bo53bo26bo3bo58b2o12bo
6bobo3bobo60b2o4b2o14bo177b2ob2o$2o51b3o26bo2bobo57bobo20bo3bo62b2o4b
2o90b2o69bo2bobobo33b2o$b2o81bobo2bo57bo11bo6bobobobobo159bo109bobo$2b
o46b2o34bo3bo46b2o3b2o4b2o21bo160b3o112bo9bo$49b2o3bo34bo47bo3bo17bo7b
3ob3o12b3o17b3o57bo64bo125b2o13b2o$53bobo30b3o45b3o5b3o36b3o3bo19bo3b
3o5bo2bo12bob2o25b3o182b2o5b2o15bo$54bobo77bo9bo14bo6bo2b3o2bo58bobo17b
2o8bo3b2o94b2o84bo21bo5b2o$56bo109bo3bo3bo6bo2bo3bo17bo3bo2bo5bo2bo10b
obob3o13bo5b2o3b3o2bo92bo2bo84b3o18b2o5bo$56b2o101bo6bo7bo8bo2b4o2bo9b
o2b4o2bo42bo4b2o5bobobob2obo86bobo87bo25bob2o$78b2o86b3o3b3o7b5o3b2ob
o7bob2o3b5o6bo2bo10b3obobo13b2o13bobobob2o38bobobo2bobobo9b2o26bo107b
2o2b2obo2bo$78bo80bo6bo2bobo2bo62bobo27bo2bo63bobo134b2o3bob2o$66bo12b
3o87bobo14bo7b2o3b2o7bo10bo2bo11b2obo20bobobo4b2obo47bo6bo4b2o2bo141b
o$54b2o9b2o8b2o4bo29bobobo3bobobo35bo5bobobobobobo11bobo6bobo6bobo43b
o7b3o7bo60bobob2o24bo114b2o$54b2o8b2o9b2o55b2o18b2o11bob2o3b2obo14b2o
bo7bob2o14bo2bo27bob2o60bobobo6bo6bobo25bo72bo$64bo50bo7bo7bo2bo2b2o8b
2o2bo2bo4bo4b2o9b2o15bo3bobo3bo47bo2bo77b2obo6b2o18bo9b2o60b2o46b2o$132b
2o2bobo8bobo2b2o38bobo5bobo42b2obobobo13b2o50bo6bo3bo2bob2o5b2o16b2o5b
2obo2bo59bobo34bo12bo$111bobobo3bobobo10b2o14b2o7bo33bo7bo43bob2obobo
bo7b2o2bo62b2o9bo18b2o6bob2o47b2o50bo11bob2o$134bo16bo99bo2b3o5bo4bo46b
obobo6bo15bo25bobo49bo48b3o3b2o4b3o2bo$111bo7bo11b2obo8b3o5bob2o4bo92b
2o3bo5b4o74bo24b2obobo45bo56b2o3bo3b2o$131bo2bob2o5bobob3obo2bo99b3o110b
o2b2o45b5o14b2o41b4o$75bobobo17bo3bo9bobobo3bobobo9b2ob2o5b3ob3ob2o6b
o94bo8b2o100bobo54bo13bo28b2o15bo$88bo7bobobobo160b2o73bo26b2o52b3o12b
obo27bobo12b3o$79bo7bobo7b2ob2o57bo177bobo78bo15b2o28bo13bo$85b3ob3o123b
o2bobobo113bo2bo78b4o41b2o14b5o$75bobobo4bo7bo4b2ob2o31b2ob2o5b3ob3ob
2o6bo74bobobo98b2o77b2o3bo3b2o56bo$85b3ob3o4bobobobo28bo2bob2o5bobob3o
bo2bo60bo6bo11b5o176bo2b3o4b2o3b3o48bo$75bo11bobo7bo3bo29b2obo8b3o5bo
b2o4bo74bobobo176b2obo11bo50b2o$88bo45bo16bo46b2o5b2o8bo2bobobo195bo12b
o34bobo$75bobobo54b2o14b2o7bo37bob2o3b2obo27bobo180b2o46b2o$132b2o2bo
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159bo210b2o2bo$344bo3bo25b2o$159bo$344bo2bo$343bo2b2o$342bobobo2bo$342b
ob3o3bo$343bobobobo$344bo$341b3o$341bo!

[confocaloid]

[...] Should there be a LifeWiki page for 4diagonal? [...][/pattern]

I think the CA "B34c/S234c" is more interesting, and has more chances to be shown notable in the sense of LW:NB, compared to "B34c/S23": https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b34cs234c

To the question, I think my answer is "No", unless someone is willing to put in all the effort to prove notability of that particular cellular automaton (including collecting and adding links to available sources related to exploring it). If the idea is just to create a short stub, without going all the way through and documenting the existing knowledge about B34c/S23 in a clear human-readable way, then it is better to avoid creating a page at all. Incomplete abandoned stubs can (and often do) mislead instead of helping.

[WhiteHawk]

Where did all of the other pre-pulsar hasslers go?

Pre-pulsar hasslers only shows a P13 also on the TL page, though there are other periods listed in the Known Periods box.

EDIT:

I think the CA "B34c/S234c" is more interesting, and has more chances to be shown notable in the sense of LW:NB, compared to "B34c/S23": https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/b34cs234c

Long time to provide a rebuttal, but I just remembered that one notable feature of 4diagonal is that it was proven omniperiodic BEFORE life was (8 days before according to P1GG's post from the 13th, & the first 1tfl rule to be proven omniperiodic), whereas B34c/S234c was not provably omniperiodic until the discovery of Honey Ring.

[Sokwe]

Where did all of the other pre-pulsar hasslers go?

Pre-pulsar hasslers only shows a P13 also on the TL page, though there are other periods listed in the Known Periods box.

They didn't go anywhere. They were never there. I tried to get people to build out the page, but nobody has done it so far.

Also, I moved your post to the LifeWiki discussion forum.

[confocaloid]

The first embedded viewer in https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=156869 currently has a very long caption, which spans multiple lines and contains several enforced linebreaks.

I suggest instead to put the viewer into a new section named "Catalyst variants" (located immediately after the lead section), and to move the long explanatory text away from the viewer caption and into the section text (getting rid of the HTML linebreaks as well).
The viewer caption should be kept reasonably short, and ideally single-line, for example just "Four Snark catalyst variants".

Also, the edit https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=156869 added a misspelling (it's != its), which happened repeatedly in multiple other pages as well.

[Chris857]

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=156805
In this set of changes, a couple patterns which were using RLE files (pname=p40honeyfarmhassler4 and pname=p42honeyfarmshuttle) now have inline RLE patterns but did not remove the pname lines, nor did they update the RLE files. I'd prefer the latter, but the current situation is just weird and this has happened multiple times to other files.

[confocaloid]

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=156805
In this set of changes, a couple patterns which were using RLE files (pname=p40honeyfarmhassler4 and pname=p42honeyfarmshuttle) now have inline RLE patterns but did not remove the pname lines, nor did they update the RLE files. I'd prefer the latter, but the current situation is just weird and this has happened multiple times to other files.

Agree, that should be fixed.
Also in the same linked diff, a couple of ZOOMs were changed away from even values, and to odd values.
Assuming THUMBSIZE 2 (which is the case there), all ZOOM values should be even, to avoid undesirable distortions in the size of cells and/or grid lines.
In general, ZOOM should be a multiple of THUMBSIZE.

[pifricted]

Edit Template:EmbedViewerRule to fix Template:Rule:

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 <includeonly><center>{{#if: {{{r|}}} | {{LV:Viewer|x = 64, y = 64, rule = R{{{r|}}},C{{{c|}}},S{{{s}}},B{{{b}}},N{{{n|}}} 
! #C [[ THEME Fire ]] {{LifeViewer config/rule}} }}
| {{#if: {{{f|}}} | {{LV:Viewer|x = 64, y = 64, rule = B{{{b|}}}/S{{{s|}}}/F{{{f|}}}/K{{{k|}}}/L{{{l|}}}
! #C [[ THEME Yellow ]] {{LifeViewer config/rule}} }}
| {{#if: {{{c|}}} | {{LV:Viewer|x = 64, y = 64, rule ={{{s|}}}/{{{b|}}}/{{{c|}}}
! #C [[ THEME Generations ]] {{LifeViewer config/rule}} }}
| {{LV:Viewer|x = 64, y = 64, rule = B{{{b|}}}/S{{{s|}}}
! #C [[ THEME Inverse ]] {{LifeViewer config/rule}} }}
}}
}}
}}
<small>[[LifeViewer]]-generated pseudorandom [[soup]]<br></small></center></includeonly><noinclude>{{ambox|text=See [[LifeWiki:Tiki bar#Suggested deprecation of EmbedViewerRule]]}}
This is a template based on [[LV:Viewer]] that should only be used in [[Template:Rule]]. LifeViewer generated from this template will show a random 64×64 soup under the corresponding rule and evolve it, the parameters are defined in [[Template:LifeViewer config/rule]].
[[Category:LifeViewer templates]][[Category:Infobox subtemplates]]
</noinclude>

Edit: Edited

[hotcrystal0]

Can this be added to the R hasslers page? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1437&p=190679#p190797

[confocaloid]

Can this be added to the R hasslers page? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1437&p=190679#p190797

Related discussion about hassler pages:
viewtopic.php?p=196793#p196793 (in this thread)
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?oldi ... sler_pages Alternatives to hassler pages
viewtopic.php?p=198395#p198395 Basic questions
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6290 Criteria for page listing hasslers

[patowen95]

I believe the "Snark" page needs a few corrections. At some point, the "heart" of the Snark was 34 bits, but the Wiki page now defaults to 31 bits in the description as well as in the animation in the information card. However, this means that the pattern as a whole has 49 cells.

However, the information card states that the pattern has 52 cells, and the static image still shows the 52-cell version. In addition, this page does not show up in the "Patterns with 49 cells" category, but it does show up in "Patterns with 52 cells". For discoverability, ideally, it would show up in both, but if it can only show up in one, I believe 49 is preferred.

(I had already asked something similar in viewtopic.php?p=199483#p199486, but I believe this is a better place for this question)

[confocaloid]

Is there a good reason why the infobox needs to tell any population value at all for the Snark?
LifeWiki:Pattern pages currently says

c (optional) The number of live cells in the pattern.[clarification needed for conduits]

A conduit may not have any well-defined population, because there can be multiple variants of the conduit (each of which is useful in some situations) with different properties.
In other words, a conduit is not just a specific pattern, but instead a set of patterns which can be considered "functionally equivalent".

[patowen95]

Is there a good reason why the infobox needs to tell any population value at all for the Snark?

The main reason to report the number of cells of a conduit or reflector would be discoverability, since counting cells can narrow down a pattern search, although the ambiguity makes it maybe not worth it. I could, for instance, instead just count the number of cells in one of the rarer still lives, and hopefully the page for that still life will link to the page for the conduit or reflector.

I'd expect we'd still want things to be consistent on that page to avoid confusing new readers.

As a side note, are reflectors a type of conduit? The wiki seems to consider these to be fully separate concepts.

[confocaloid]

As a side note, are reflectors a type of conduit? The wiki seems to consider these to be fully separate concepts.

Reflectors are special in several ways. There is one input object and one output object. The input and the output are the same spaceship, except the output spaceship moves in a different direction (i.e. is reflected).

In general, a conduit can consume any kind of active object (not necessarily spaceship), and can produce any kind(s) of active object(s).

Sometimes a property is only well-defined for some (but not all) types of conduits. For example, when either the input or an output (or both) is a spaceship, it becomes impossible to measure the "step" of the conduit, because there is no single natural choice for the location of the spaceship. The conduit Fx77 has step 77 ticks, the conduit R64 has step 64 ticks, but the Snark doesn't have any step at all.

I'd expect we'd still want things to be consistent on that page to avoid confusing new readers.

I think the most consistent and helpful choice would be to avoid claiming any "population" for conduits at all. The Snark has multiple variants (including variants of the large catalyst, replacements of the eater 1s, welds with other conduits). A conduit is incomplete, and is meant to be connected to/combined with other components in a pattern. Some bits can often be shared between different conduits connected to each other. That means "the population of a single conduit" is not really well-defined.

[patowen95]

I think the most consistent and helpful choice would be to avoid claiming any "population" for conduits at all. The Snark has multiple variants (including variants of the large catalyst, replacements of the eater 1s, welds with other conduits). A conduit is incomplete, and is meant to be connected to/combined with other components in a pattern. Some bits can often be shared between different conduits connected to each other. That means "the population of a single conduit" is not really well-defined.

That makes sense to me. My main counterargument is that, if an example image is shown, giving the bounding box and number of cells of that image in particular seems like a nice extra piece of information. There's probably a larger discussion on this somewhere between many pages, but my opinion is that if a fact card shows a picture of a pattern (possibly in action while interacting with something else), providing the number of cells and bounding box of that picture is better for the reader than omitting it entirely. Rather than being a question of "right" vs "wrong", if I view it as a question of "useful" vs "useless", I would consider this information useful enough to keep. If we want to be strictly accurate, one option could be an asterisk with fine-print with all the caveats you mention.

Regardless, what are your thoughts on the other edit suggestion, which is making the static PNG match the LifeViewer image. Although both of these images are a valid "Snark", I think it's reasonable to expect that a "View static image" button below an animation would show the exact same pattern.