the sandbox thread owned by the user that can be referred to as either emmyaweosme or tommyaweosme, but only for now.

[tommyaweosme]

i dont feel like using lifeviewer anymore. its not nice...

i was expirementing with rules where the acorn is a spark, but out of nowhere lifeviewer just told me to die!

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like, WHAT?

WHY would life viewer tell me that?

i think im switching to golly for now.

edit: GOLLY HAS THE SAME PROBLEM!

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edit 2: im big stupid. i JUST realised that golly and lifeviewer werent doing it on purpose, they just put the letters in order and they just so happened to spell out an acronym that means something bad. i will continue to use lifeviewer and pretend this incident never happened

[H. H. P. M. P. Cole]

I just wanted to write this to you, tommyaweosme.

How does one find discoveries? One does not simply look at one 1000x1000 soup, take all the objects from there, and say 'hey look there is my collection'. If one wants to find discoveries by hand, it is very arduous to do so. That is why search programs exist.

I understand you are on Chrome OS, but please at least download Golly. It's on the Golly site: https://golly.sourceforge.io/

As a start, I suggest you go find patterns in these rules (they are all your own, and these can support spaceships):

- Sparkling soda (B3-ceky/S2-a34cy)
- Cupcakes (B3/S23jnr4-k)
- JackLife (B3/S23-cejk)
- Skeleton stuck inside wall 10 hours (B34i/S245)
- Lobsters (B2-ae3-in45-n678/S12e3rn)
- Maze vs chaos (B3/S234-k)
- Space world ship thing (R2,C2,S2-3,B3,NW0000000000001110010100111)

And reconsider this post of mine that I made as a reply to one of your first posts: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6308#p176214. Download nbsearch2a at least (it's very simple to set up and is a Golly Python script.)

For example, in your rule 'sparkling soda', I apgsearched it and made a little pattern collection out of what I found using apgsearch. (Since B3aijnqr/S2-a34cy is not supported by apgsearch as it is a non-canonical form, I replaced it with B3-ceky/S2-a34cy, the canonical form. You can confirm that all patterns you found in the former also work in the latter, since they are the same rule, just expressed differently.)

(The LWSS, MWSS, and HWSS work in this rule.)

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x = 102, y = 135, rule = B3-ceky/S2-a34cy
b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o4b3o5b3o8bo$2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o4bo2bo3bo2bo
4bo2bo6bobo5b3o$o3bo4bo2bo4bobo5bobo5bo6bo7bo8b2ob2o3bobob2o$8b2o6b2o
b2o3b2ob2o4bo6bo3bo3bo3bo13bo4bo$8bo7bo3bo4bobo6bobo3bo7bo3bo18bo$9bo
7bobo4bo3bo12bobo4bo21bo$49bobo10$2o4bo5bo4b2o7bo15bo16bo19bo7bo$2o3b
obo3bobo3bobo5bobo13bobo14bobo17bobo5bobo$6bo5b2o4b2o5bobo14bo16bo17b
obo5bo3bo$26bo14bobo14bo19bobo5bobo$42bo14bobo19bo7bo$58bo3$59b2o4b2o
20bo$6bo5bo4b2o7bo15b2o14bobo4bobo18bobo$5bobo3bobo3bobo5bobo13bobo15b
o6bo18bo3bo$6bobo3bobo3bobo4bo2bo13bo15bo6bo20bo3bo$7bo5b2o4b2o5b2o13b
obo13bobo4bobo20bobo$42bo15bo6bo22bo4$59b2o5b2o3b2o14bo10bo$42b2o6b2o
6bobo4bobo3bobo12bobo8bobo$6bo5bo4b2o7b2o5bo7bobo5bobo7bo6bo5bo12bo3b
o6bo3bo$5bobo3bobo3bobo5bo2bo3bobo7bo7bo7bo6bo5bo14bo3bo4bo5bo$6bobo3b
obo3bobo4bo2bo3bo2bo5bobo5bobo5bobo4bobo3bobo14bo3bo4bo3bo$7bobo3bobo
3bobo4b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o6b2o6b2o4b2o15bobo6bobo$8bo5b2o4b2o12bo54bo8bo9$
35bo7bo6b3o5bo7bo$3o4bo5b2o5bo7bo6bo7bobo13b2o6b2o$8b2o4b2o4bobo3bobo
5bobo5bo2bo4bob2o5bo7bo$8bo11bobo4bobo14bobo4bobo7b2o6b2o$22bo4bo6b3o
7bo6bo9bo7bo$71b2o$71bo$o3bo7bo$2ob2o4bob2o6b2o$bobo4b2obo6bo2bo5bo9b
2obo$bobo5bobo6bo7bo2bo6bo2bobo$2bo5bobo8b4o3bo2b4o3bo3bo$9bo8bo8bo2b
3o4bobo$17bobo16bobo$18bo18bo3$39bo$4bo9bo11bo11bobo8bo10bo$2bobo7bob
o2bo4bobobo2bo9bo8bobo8bobo$bo4bo4bo4bobo2bobo4bobo6bo8bo2bo7bo2bo$ob
o2bobo2bobo4bo4bo6bo5bobo6bobo6bobobo$bo4bo4bo22bo8bo8bobo$33bobo6bob
o8bo$34bo8bo3$21bobo$20bobobo$5b2o14bobo$5b2o3bob2o$9bobo$3bobo4bo3bo
3b6o$2bobobo5bobo4bo2bo$3bobo5bobo5bo2bo$12bo7b2o3$13bo$12bobobo$3bo9b
obobo6b3o$3bo11bobo8b2o$2b2o12bo5bobobobo$13bo7bobobobobo$3b3o5b2o9bo
5bo$4bo7bo5$2bo$bobo$bobo2bobo$2bob2obobo$8bo3$5bo$3b2o9bo$2bo4bo5bob
o$bobo2bobo5bo3bo$2bo2bobo7bob2o$6bo9bo$17bo$18bobo$19bobo$20bo3$5b2o
$4b2obo$3b2ob2o$2bo2b2o$b2o2bo$2ob2o$ob2o$b2o5$5b2o$bo3b2o$obobobo$bo
3bo$2bobo$3bo!

Of course, I could have been more comprehensive and used rlifesrc and nbsearch2a, but you get the point. Search programs are not the be-all and end-all of CA exploration, but at least download a few (or program a few, if you feel that you are good at programming).

If you want me to I can apgsearch your rules for you: just tell me which ones. I am not trying to be critical, I am just telling you how you can contribute more productively to the community.

[tommyaweosme]

someone (i forgot who unfortunately) is making scratchlifesrc. that will be my apgsearch until 5 years later when i can get a job, buy a windows laptop, and download apgsearch (along with steam, vvvvvv external editor and vvvvvv make and play, and python)

[tommyaweosme]

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x = 52, y = 55, rule = B34i/S245Investigator
9.A$8.A.A3.2A4.A22.3O4.A$.2A4.A2.A2.A2.A2.A.A4.2A4.A4.2A9.3A$.A2.A2.A
.A3.A2.A2.A2.A2.A2.A2.A.A3.A3.3A5.3A$3.2A3.A5.2A4.2A4.2A4.A3.2A3.A.A5.
A6$19.A4.A.A11.A$16.3A4.A.A3.A2.A3.A.A.A$16.2A.2A2.3A4.4A3.3A3.A.A$5.
4A2.3A4.3A4.2A2.A.A.A2.A.A.A3.A$3A2.4A2.3A3.A6.2A4.2A6.A4.A.A5$2A11.A
$.A2.A7.2A$5A6.A$A.A.3A2.4A$3.2A.A3.A.A2.A$3.A5.A.5A$2.2A6.A.2A9$A4.A
.A3.2A$.2A3.2A3.2A$A.A3.A5.A9$.A$4A$2A$.A$2.A2$.A.A$.2A$.3A$.A!

i felt so good while doing this. would try again 10/10 (i used rlifesrc btw)

[Aleph]

Hello there! Having been in a similar position to you back in 2017, I can see that you have enthusiasm for CA, that you have the drive to do research, and that you genuinely care about this stuff. I am on your side, and I am willing to fight for you. However, I am unable to do much without you also putting in the effort to learn. To start off, I will ask you questions. I am only able to ask one or a few questions at a time, because I need the answers to know what questions to ask next, Without these answers, I will be unable to offer you help and guidance. To start off:

What operating system does your computer use?

[b-engine]

To start off:
What operating system does your computer use?

He uses ChromeOS, as he stated that he can't download any search programs. He can only use RLS.

[tommyaweosme]

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x = 69, y = 62, rule = B3-ceky/S2-a34cyInvestigator
32.2A$32.A.A15.A11.A$8.2A.2A18.A17.2A10.A.A$8.A2.A20.A2.A12.A11.2A$7.
A24.A2.A13.2A10.A$8.A.A8.2A12.A2.2A12.A10.2A$8.2A9.A.A12.4A24.A.A$18.
A16.A27.2A$19.A.A$19.2A8$36.A$23.A11.2A$22.2A11.A$11.2A.2A8.A13.A$10.
A2.A.A11.A8.A2.2A$11.A2.A8.A2.A.A7.2A2.A$14.A7.A.A.A.A7.A$12.2A8.2A.A
.A$13.A39.2A$51.A3.A$.2A.A46.A2.A$A2.A.A46.A2.A$.A.A2.A44.A.A2.A8.2A$
A3.A.A45.A.2A7.A3.A$.A3.A30.A6.A19.A2.A.A$A.A.A.A16.A4.A.A4.A.A4.A.A19.
A2.A$.A3.2A15.A.A2.A.A.A2.A.A.A2.A.A.A17.A.3A$23.A4.A.A4.A.A4.A.A19.A
.A$12.A30.A$11.4A$15.A8.A$11.4A8.A.A15.A5.A6.2A$12.A9.A.A4.2A3.2A4.A.
A3.A.A4.A2.A$23.A4.A.A2.A.A4.A.A3.A2.A3.A2.A$29.A3.2A6.A5.2A5.2A3$8.2A
$7.2A38.2A11.2A$46.A2.A9.A.A$27.A.2A16.A2.A7.A.A$26.A.A2.A16.2A9.A.A$
8.A18.A.A.A28.2A$9.2A15.A.A.A$9.A16.A2.A.A$27.2A.A3$41.A$40.2A$17.3A14.
A8.A$33.2A7.2A$36.A8.A$35.2A7.2A$37.A8.A!

chromeos. also, i love this. its so aweosme. i never thought to ACTUALLY USE rls until now!

[tommyaweosme]

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x = 40, y = 33, rule = B2-ae3-in45-n678/S12e3nrInvestigator
28.A$28.3A$26.A.2A.A$25.7A.A$27.A4.A$27.4A$29.2A5$2.A14.3A$2.A$5A$2.A
7.A18.A.A$2.A8.A16.A.A.A$11.2A10.A5.A.A4.A$13.A7.A13.2A.A$19.2A.A12.2A
$22.A12.A.3A$6.3A13.A5.A7.A$4.2A7.A2.A11.A$4.A.2A5.A3.A8.2A$5.A2.A20.
A2$34.A$33.2A.A$9.2A3.3A15.A2.A$11.A5.2A5.4A$15.A$26.A2$25.4A!

one taste of making these and im hooked

[Aleph]

chromeos.

Ouch. That is going to make things far more difficult. Consider: ChromeOS is a glorified internet browser. The only workaround I know is to use an online virtual machine. Given that you seem to have an email address (one is required to register an account here in the first place), are you able to use it to register an account on repl.it?

also, i love this. its so aweosme. i never thought to ACTUALLY USE rls until now!

one taste of making these and im hooked

Very nice! It's nice that RLS can run in a browser,

[tommyaweosme]

tommorrow i will ask my parents to approve replit (today my parents are going to bed and i usually stay up an hour later)

[b-engine]

someone (i forgot who unfortunately) is making SLS.

That's me! I'm still doing the engine itself; randomized soup is automatically implemented.

[Aleph]

tommorrow i will ask my parents to approve replit (today my parents are going to bed and i usually stay up an hour later)

Oh my god. What is it with parents and obsessive control. Forget replit; I am not going to make you take a risk like that. Download the file I've attached to this post, unzip it, and open the html file inside. If you are able to do so, follow the instructions it gives you. Otherwise, we will need to try a different angle of attack.

someone (i forgot who unfortunately) is making SLS.

That's me! I'm still doing the engine itself; randomized soup is automatically implemented.

What is SLS? Can you tell me more?

[tommyaweosme]

what does the html do

edit: checked inside. absolutely harmless. i thought it infected my computer with some anti-control stuff.

btw, i kept getting viruses which is why i always have to ask for websites.

also, i did get pop up.

edit: asking for sites is no risk btw ive asked for a lot they either say yes or no. thats all. no other stuff

[tommyaweosme]

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x = 47, y = 38, rule = B2ci3aery4eqr5aeiq6acn78/S01c2ei3-i4ijrtz5ainry7c8Investigator
33.A4.A$32.2A.A$4.A2.2A25.2A2.2A$3.2A.2A4.A20.A$4.A.A4.2A25.A6.A$12.A
33.A$45.2A$4.A.A10.A8.A2.A$3.2A.2A11.A7.2A.3A$4.A2.2A8.A7.2A.A2.2A$26.
A5$25.A$25.A$24.A.A$24.3A$2A2.3A2.3A2.4A6.3A$2A2.3A2.3A2.4A$2A2.3A2.3A
2.4A$4.3A7.4A11.2A$27.2A.A$28.A.A$A2.2A2.3A2.4A2.4A7.2A4.A$3.2A2.A.A2.
2A.A2.A.2A14.A5.A$7.3A2.2A.A2.2A.A4.2A12.2A$7.3A2.4A2.4A3.2A14.A$4.A27.
A9.A$3A30.A$A.2A19.A2.A4.A.2A$2A.A18.A2.A6.2A$2A2.A4.A3.A8.4A$11.2A9.
2A.A$11.A10.2A2.A$9.3A$9.3A!

ca fun level: maximum

[b-engine]

What is SLS? Can you tell me more?

SLS is abbreviation of ScratchLifeSearch which is in pre-alpha development by me written using Scratch (technically a programming language because ScratchJR isn't). SLS is supposed to combine brute-force search (as in lifesrc) and soup search together. The end product will be converted into HTML file, which is widely multiplatform.

[tommyaweosme]

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x = 33, y = 36, rule = B3578/S24678Investigator
4.A14.2A10.2A$3.A.A7.A4.3A10.2A$3.2A.A5.3A3.2A4.A7.A$6.A.2A3.A11.2A$7.
A.A14.2A$8.A$12.A.A.A$.2A4.A4.2A.2A4.2A4.A$3.A3.3A4.A7.A5.2A$.2A6.A2.
3A6.A.2A3.A$12.A9.A.A2$2.A.A$3.A3.2A.2A5.A.2A$2.2A4.3A6.3A5.A.2A$7.5A
4.3A8.3A$7.A.A.A5.3A6.3A$16.2A8.3A$25.2A.A2$13.A.A$13.2A$15.A4$.A2.2A
.A$2A2.A.2A$2.A.5A$.2A.3A$3.3A$3.A.2A.A$.2A.2A$2.A$2A$.A!

more pattern collections for someone to find oneday and think im a genius even though i have an iq of 131 (according to some online test i took a few years ago) and geniuses are iq 143+.

[Aleph]

What is SLS? Can you tell me more?

SLS is abbreviation of ScratchLifeSearch which is in pre-alpha development by me written using Scratch (technically a programming language because ScratchJR isn't). SLS is supposed to combine brute-force search (as in lifesrc) and soup search together. The end product will be converted into HTML file, which is widely multiplatform.

How exactly are the two combined? Also, how did you manage to authenticate with Catagolue? Why use Scratch which fights you when you try to do anything mildly complicated (declare variables in the middle of a function; nest arrays/lists; etc.) when you can just use JS directly and embed it in an HTML file?

edit: asking for sites is no risk btw ive asked for a lot they either say yes or no. thats all. no other stuff

At least they're reasonable in that regard I guess.

also, i did get pop up.

Good. replit VMs have a habit of randomly killing themselves, so it's really nice that we have this option. Embedding search programs into HTML files allows them to run for much longer periods of time, since they'll be running directly on your computer and not a replit VM.

more pattern collections for someone to find oneday and think im a genius even though i have an iq of 131 (according to some online test i took a few years ago) and geniuses are iq 143+.

Anyone can come up with good ideas. Seeing this post honestly makes me question the idea of a "genius" in the first place.

[b-engine]

How exactly are the two combined? Also, how did you manage to authenticate with Catagolue? Why use Scratch which fights you when you try to do anything mildly complicated (declare variables in the middle of a function; nest arrays/lists; etc.) when you can just use JS directly and embed it in an HTML file?

1. You can choose whenever you want to brute-force or soup; they're separate algorithms themselves.
2. SLS never upload the results to Catagolue; it stores them in an RLE file.
3. Scratch is the only programming language I've learned; I can easily fix those problems. The Turbowarp packager can convert sb3 to HTML, in addition of speeding the project 20 times.

[tommyaweosme]

edit: this is for bengine to learn

heres a programming language i made up on the spot called "benlang"

there are 4 keywords

talk
color
ask
answer

and 1 information type
string

talk (string)
this prints a string on the screen

color (hexcode)
this changes the color of the next talk

ask
this saves the user input to a variable called answer

answer
the variable ask saves to (use - around it when in talk and color)

for example a script in this would be:

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talk hello there! whats your name?
ask
color 0000ff
talk hello there -answer-!
talk whats your favorite color? use hexcode!
ask
color -answer-
talk well thats great!
talk thanks for taking the time to talk to me

[Aleph]

How exactly are the two combined? Also, how did you manage to authenticate with Catagolue? Why use Scratch which fights you when you try to do anything mildly complicated (declare variables in the middle of a function; nest arrays/lists; etc.) when you can just use JS directly and embed it in an HTML file?

1. You can choose whenever you want to brute-force or soup; they're separate algorithms themselves.
2. SLS never upload the results to Catagolue; it stores them in an RLE file.
3. Scratch is the only programming language I've learned; I can easily fix those problems. The Turbowarp packager can convert sb3 to HTML, in addition of speeding the project 20 times.

1. That makes sense, though I wonder if it would be possible to pipe bruteforce results into "soup" searches (apgsearch stdin symmetry much?). Either way, shouldn't we split this into two separate search provrams?
2. Normally I'd have hesitation with not uploading to Catagolue, but I'd imagine that this is intended for cases where Catagolue is unreachable.
3. I am also kind of concerned that it may be difficult to edit Scratch code simply because its feature set is so limited. I'd suggest snap.berkeley.edu as it appears to be "scratch but with a more complete feature set" but external tools like Turbowarp are probably lacking.

[tommyaweosme]

only if i can get it to html. scratch snap and turbowarp have all been asked and not approved.

edit update: scratch approved so is penguimmod

[b-engine]

edit: this is for bengine to learn

here's a programming language i made up on the spot called "benlang"

I made a "programming language" for my unfinished B-Univ counter machine. Here's the commands below:

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# N means that you can set it to any natural numbers.

# computation
resethead  [ob]
sethead {N}  [2obNob]
goto {N}  [3obNob]
set {0-1}  [4obo(o)b]
ifheadon  [5ob(...)b]
	...
end  [6ob]


# construction
extend  [7ob]
retract  [8ob]
left  [9ob]
right  [10ob]
readto {N}  [11obNob]

Here's an example of a script that uses computational commands:

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resethead
sethead 1
ifheadon
set 0
set 1
goto 3

I will write Assembly commands for the counter machine.

[b-engine]

1. That makes sense, though I wonder if it would be possible to pipe bruteforce results into "soup" searches (apgsearch stdin symmetry much?). Either way, shouldn't we split this into two separate search programs?
2. Normally I'd have hesitation with not uploading to Catagolue, but I'd imagine that this is intended for cases where Catagolue is unreachable.
3. I am also kind of concerned that it may be difficult to edit Scratch code simply because its feature set is so limited. I'd suggest snap.berkeley.edu as it appears to be "scratch but with a more complete feature set" but external tools like Turbowarp are probably lacking.

1. I think soup search could be applied into bruteforce searcher. However I don't think bruteforce could be applied to soup search...
2. Isn't Scratch unable to access any other websites? I have many workarounds.
3. Scratch is theorically Turing complete, isn't it? I've more knowledge to replace those unavailable features with the existing scripts.

[tommyaweosme]

b3/s34

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x = 23, y = 40, rule = B3/S34Investigator
21.A$20.2A$19.2A$19.2A$2.A14.2A.A.A$2.3A11.4A.A$2A.4A8.2A3.A$2A.2A14.
A$2.5A.2A$2.A4.A6$5.2A.A4.A.A$6.3A5.A.A$9.A3.A.3A$6.4A5.A$5.2A2$.2A8.
2A$2.2A8.2A2$2.4A$.2A.A3.2A.2A4.A$8.2A.2A4.2A$9.A7.2A$4.2A2.2A.2A$4.2A
2.2A.2A3$13.A.A.A$.2A.2A8.A2.2A$2.2A.A.A5.A.2A$6.A7.A.A2.A$2.4A.A7.A.
2A$.2A2.A7.2A2.A.A$3.2A10.A.A$3.A!

[tommyaweosme]

im making up rules on the spot to make pattern collections for cus i ran out!

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x = 41, y = 39, rule = B3-a4i/S2-k34-kyInvestigator
.2A$2A.A19.2A4.2A$.A.2A2.2O5.2A2.A5.2A4.A$2A.A3.O2.A2.2A3.3A3.A.A4.2A
$.2A6.2A3.A5.A4.2A5.2A3$7.A.A9.A$.A6.A9.3A6.2A2.3A$2.2A2.2A.2A3.A2.2A
.2A4.A.A5.A$2A6.A5.A3.3A3.A.A7.A$2.A4.A.A4.A4.A4.2A8.A3$2A7.2A6.2A6.2A
2.A4.2A2.2A$.2A7.2A2.A3.2A6.A2.2A4.A2.A$2.2A8.4A12.A2.A3.2A.2A$A2.2A4.
A.2A2.A5.A6.4A6.A$6A3.2A.A.A3.2A.2A6.A$.A2.A.A6.3A3.A2.2A2.3A6.2A3.A$
5.A8.A3.2A7.A8.A2.2A3$.A3.A5.2A6.A2.2A$A.A2.2A2.A2.A5.A.A2.A$4A.2A2.4A
.2A2.4A.2A$5.A6.A.A6.A.A$2.2A7.2A7.2A$.2A7.2A7.2A$2A7.2A9.A3$2.A8.A.A
$2.A7.5A$A3.A.A2.A4.2A$.A.4A2.A.A$2.A7.A.A$3.2A6.A2.2A$4.A10.A!

(this one had no spaceships)