Thread for Discord crossposts

[Hdjensofjfnen]

This is a general-purpose thread for humans or bots to crosspost important messages from the Conwaylife Lounge Discord, making them easier to be cited on LifeWiki or read by forum users.

Though this thread is intended to eliminate the barrier of finding the "right" thread to crosspost a Discord message in, please still post discoveries in their appropriate thread in the Patterns forum if applicable.

[Hdjensofjfnen]

here's a glider-powered block keeper, such that the block can be read:

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x = 52, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
4.C$2.C.C$3.2C8$42.A$41.A.A$42.A2$40.5A$40.A4.A$43.A2.A$12.2A29.2A.A$
13.A26.A5.A.2A$12.A26.A.A4.A.2A$12.4A23.A2.A2.2A$9.A5.A24.2A4.A$7.6A
33.A.A$6.A5.A32.2A.3A$6.A2.A18.C22.A$5.2A.A.A15.C.C16.2A.3A$6.A.2A8.
2C7.2C2.2E12.2A.A$5.A12.2C10.E2.E$5.2A.2A20.E2.E$6.A.A22.2E$6.A.A$7.A
8$29.2A$29.A3.2A$30.A2.A.A$27.3A4.A$3C24.A2.4A$2.C27.A$.C29.A$30.2A!

this is one step up from that any-input-safe toggle, could probably have some use in logic gates

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 1526944889

EDIT: Added timestamp

[Hdjensofjfnen]

p53 gun by iNoMed:

Oops, looks like the gourmet catalyst works after all:

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x = 53, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
41bo$41b3o$44bo6b2o$43b2o5bobo$50bo$37b2o10b2o$37bobo$38b2o3b2o4b2o$
34b2o12bobo$20b2o3b2o6bobo5bo2bo4bo$21bo2bobo6bo7bo8b3o$20bo3bo2b2ob2o
bo6bo2bo8bo$14bo5b4obobob2obo8bob2o$2o10b3o8bob2o15b2o$bo9bo8b2o$bobo
7b2o7bo14bo$2b2o13b2obo11b2ob2o$15bo2bob2o2b2o$15b2obo5bo2bo4bo2bo3b3o
$18bo14b4o4bo6bo$18b2o8bo11b2o7b2o$48b2o$26b2o$8b3o14bo17b2o$7bo3bo31b
o$6bo5bo31b3o$6bo5bo33bo$6b3ob3o8b3ob3o$21bo5bo$21bo5bo$22bo3bo$8bo14b
3o$6b2o2$5bo8b2o$15bo$6bo2bo5bob2o$8b2o2b2obo2bo$13bob2o13b2o$13bo7b2o
7bobo$12b2o8bo9bo$7b2obo8b3o10b2o$3b2obobob4o5bo$3bob2o2bo3bo$7bobo2bo
$7b2o3b2o!

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 5166044310

p37 reflector loop by glider_rider:

P37 reflector loop:

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x = 90, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
67bo$66bobob2o$66bob2obo$65b2o$64bo3b6o$65b3o6bo$67bob2obo2bo$68bobob
2obo$71bo3bob2o$72b2obo2bo$73bobobo$72bo2bob2o$66b3o4b2o4bo$66bo2bo4bo
b3o$67b2o5bobo$57bo17bo$55b2o$56b2o$60b2o$61bo10bo$58b3o10b2o$58bo12bo
bo2$68b2o$47bo21bo$46bo22bobo$46b3o21b2o3$85bo$76b3o5bobo$76b3o5bob3o$
75bo3bo3b2o4bo$75bob2o3bo2bob2o$37bobo36b3o4bobobo$37b2o30b2o11b2obo2b
o$38bo31b2o9bo3bob2o$69bo8bobob2obo$77bob2obo2bo$75b3o6bo$74bo3b6o$75b
2o$76bob2obo$28bo47bobob2o$28bobo29b2o15bo$12bo15b2o29bobo$8b2obobo47b
o$8bob2obo$13b2o$6b6o3bo$5bo6b3o$4bo2bob2obo$4bob2obobo8bo$b2obo3bo9b
2o31bo$bo2bob2o11b2o30b2o$2bobobo4b3o36bobo$b2obo2bo3b2obo$o4b2o3bo3bo
$b3obo5b3o$3bobo5b3o$4bo3$18b2o21b3o$18bobo22bo$20bo21bo$20b2o2$16bobo
12bo$17b2o10b3o$17bo10bo$28b2o$32b2o$33b2o$14bo17bo$13bobo5b2o$11b3obo
4bo2bo$10bo4b2o4b3o$11b2obo2bo$12bobobo$11bo2bob2o$11b2obo3bo$14bob2ob
obo$14bo2bob2obo$15bo6b3o$16b6o3bo$23b2o$18bob2obo$18b2obobo$22bo!

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 5282238615

CP reflector by ljkiernan1:

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x = 48, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
38bo$37bobo$38bo2$36b5o$32b2o2bo4bo$32bo6bo2bo$5b2o23bobo6b2obo$4bo2bo
22b2o4bo5bob2o$5b2o28bobo4bob2o$7b3o25bo2bo2b2o$5b2o2bo11bo14b2o4bo$4b
obo12bobo20bobo$2obobo14b2o19b2ob3o$bobo43bo$o2b2o36b2ob3o$b2o24b2o12b
2obo$3b2o21bo2bo$3bo22bo2bo$bobo23b2o$b2o6$15b2obo$15b2ob3o$21bo$15b2o
b3o4b2o$16bobo6bo3b2o$16bobo7bo2bobo$17bo5b3o4bo$23bo2b4o$26bo$27bo$
26b2o!

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 1644716193

[Hdjensofjfnen]

5G trans-queen bee shuttle near misses by carsoncheng:

So close to a 5G trans-queen-bee-shuttle (correct block location highlighted):

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x = 26, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
A.A$.2A$.A10$23.A$22.A$22.3A3$19.2A$20.2A$19.A$23.2A$24.2C$23.A2D5$2.
3A$4.A$3.A!

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 6841684992

Another close call (also one cell off):

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x = 29, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
A.A$.2A$.A11$19.A$20.A$18.3A5.A$26.A.A$26.2A$17.2A$17.A.A2.2D$17.A4.2D
3$2.3A$4.A$3.A!

https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 9775016027

[NooneAtAll3]

I was told (offline) that Discord has a proof of "pseudo-oscillators" being minimally-separable into more than 4 pieces (thus unlike pseudo still lives) that works by introducing intersection component (so connection graph is no longer planar)

I don't think it's in News Archive on wiki, nor on any pages (tho that I might have missed)

[confocaloid]

Can this claim be substantiated?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but WFx71H is already known. (Found by ljkiernan and posted to Discord in 2023, somehow never made it to the forums)

(also, please make this thread pinned in the subforum)

[dvgrn]

Can this claim be substantiated?

(Found by ljkiernan and posted to Discord in 2023, somehow never made it to the forums)

Here's the Discord link --

other finding is this WFx71H, but input clearance is meh so there's only one H-to-W can connect.

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x = 27, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
6.B$5.3B$4.5B$2.7B$2.8B$3.8B$2.8B$2.9B$2.10B$.14B$.11B.3B$10B2C4B$.
10BC6B$2.7B2C8B$3.6BC14B$3.9B2E11BD$5.7B2E9B3DB$8.15BDBD$10.13BD$9.2B
5.2B2.2B$9.2AB$5.2A.A.A$5.A.2A.A.A$11.2A!

[confocaloid]

Discord crosspost request for context and discovery information of Rule:LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship. What were the patterns? What is known about this thing?

edit: fixed an error in the variables section:

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var x = {1,2,3,4,5,6}

from discord

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@RULE LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship
@TABLE
neighborhood: Moore
symmetries: permute
n_states: 7

var a = {0,1,2,3,4,5,6}
var b = {a}
var c = {a}
var d = {a}
var e = {a}
var f = {a}
var g = {a}
var h = {a}

var x = {1,2,3,4,5,6}

#Birth Rules

0 1,1,2,3,0,0,0,0 6
0 1,1,2,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 1,1,3,0,0,0,0,0 2
0 5,1,1,0,0,0,0,0 6
0 1,2,3,4,0,0,0,0 6
0 3,3,3,0,0,0,0,0 4
0 1,1,5,0,0,0,0,0 6
0 5,4,1,1,0,0,0,0 3
0 6,6,2,3,1,1,0,0 2

#Survival Parameters

1 2,1,3,0,0,0,0,0 0
4 4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 0
3 4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 0
3 4,1,1,2,0,0,0,0 3
5 2,4,0,0,0,0,0,0 3
2,1,1,1,3,0,0,0,0 2
3 3,3,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
3 1,1,2,4,0,0,0,0 5
2 1,1,5,0,0,0,0,0 5
5 1,1,2,0,0,0,0,0 3
5 2,1,1,3,0,0,0,0 2
4 5,1,1,0,0,0,0,0 1
3 3,4,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
1 1,1,5,0,0,0,0,0 2
3 5,4,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
2 1,1,5,0,0,0,0,0 4
2 6,6,1,1,0,0,0,0 1
5 2,4,6,6,0,0,0,0 3
6 2,3,1,0,0,0,0,0 1

3 1,1,1,3,0,0,0,0 3
4 3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
4 5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
3 4,2,1,1,6,6,0,0 5
2 1,1,1,3,0,0,0,0 2
1 1,2,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
3 2,4,0,0,0,0,0,0 3
1 2,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
2 1,1,5,0,0,0,0,0 2
2 1,1,1,3,5,5,0,0 2
2,1,1,3,0,0,0,0,0 2
3 1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0 3
1 1,3,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 2,3,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 2,5,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 3,5,4,0,0,0,0,0 1
5 1,1,3,0,0,0,0,0 5
3 5,5,2,1,1,4,0,0 3
4 5,5,3,0,0,0,0,0 4
2 6,6,1,1,1,3,0,0 2
4 6,6,3,0,0,0,0,0 4
1 1,5,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
5 1,1,1,3,0,0,0,0 5
4 5,4,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
1 1,6,0,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 1,5,3,0,0,0,0,0 1
5 2,6,6,1,1,0,0,0 5
2 6,6,5,1,1,0,0,0 2
1 6,5,2,0,0,0,0,0 1
4 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 4
3 5,1,1,4,0,0,0,0 3
1 2,5,3,0,0,0,0,0 1
1 6,2,3,0,0,0,0,0 1
3 4,1,1,0,0,0,0,0 3
4 6,6,5,0,0,0,0,0 4
3 6,6,2,4,0,0,0,0 3
2 1,1,6,6,3,0,0,0 2

x a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h 0

@COLORS
1 255 255 0
2 255 205 0
3 0 255 0
4 0 255 255
5 255 0 0
6 255 0 255

[dvgrn]

Discord crosspost request for context and discovery information of Rule:LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship. What were the patterns? What is known about this thing?

Not much, it appears! Sorry, I went and looked on Discord when you posted this request, but didn't find any satisfactory answers, so then forgot to post the short string of posts that I did find:

Explunky — 02/09/2022 2:40 PM
!upload Name says it all
@RULE LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship
@TABLE
neighborhood: Moore
symmetries: permute
n_states: 7

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LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship.txt
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This is so stupid

Deleted User — 02/09/2022 3:09 PM
@Explunky: Rule LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship.txt was approved!
Explunky — 02/09/2022 3:11 PM

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x = 4, y = 38, rule = LiterallyAnEntireRuleForOneStupidSpaceship
A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$A3$A$BCD$
A!

!sim 384

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Explunky — 02/09/2022 3:11 PM
I hate this with a passion

I'm drawing a blank on why LifeViewer is giving an "unsupported rule name" error, since the rule is definitely out there in the LifeWiki Rule namespace ... but given the GIF, maybe that doesn't really need to be sorted out.

The new version of safeopenclip.lua is able to find and load the rule into Golly with one click from the snazzy new HTML pop-up link page, and then the pattern works just as the GIF advertises.

[rowett]

I'm drawing a blank on why LifeViewer is giving an "unsupported rule name" error, since the rule is definitely out there in the LifeWiki Rule namespace

It's because there's an error in the rule definition. The following line ends with a ) rather than a }. That's 15 minutes of my life I'm not getting back...

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var x = {1,2,3,4,5,6)

[dvgrn]

I'm drawing a blank on why LifeViewer is giving an "unsupported rule name" error, since the rule is definitely out there in the LifeWiki Rule namespace

It's because there's an error in the rule definition. The following line ends with a ) rather than a }. That's 15 minutes of my life I'm not getting back...

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var x = {1,2,3,4,5,6)

Wow -- but somehow Golly managed to use that version of the rule without complaining.

I'm tempted to go look at Golly's parsing code and see how it manages that, but that would be a lot more than 15 minutes of my life that I wouldn't get back.

[rowett]

Wow -- but somehow Golly managed to use that version of the rule without complaining.

I'm tempted to go look at Golly's parsing code and see how it manages that, but that would be a lot more than 15 minutes of my life that I wouldn't get back.

In for a penny...

Golly's parser gets the final token in the line as "6)" and then uses sscanf() with a %u format (unsigned integer) to decode. Fortunately (for Golly) when sscanf() decodes integers it ignores anything after digits so this successfully decodes as 6.

On a not entirely unrelated note I've just fixed the rule on LifeWiki.

[confocaloid]

Seems like it still doesn't work. Maybe the cause is missing commas in the actual rules? (e.g. "0 1,1,2,3,0,0,0,0 6")
Edit: it worked after doing hard refresh.

[rowett]

Seems like it still doesn't work. Maybe the cause is missing commas in the actual rules? (e.g. "0 1,1,2,3,0,0,0,0 6")

You'll need to hard refresh your browser.

[confocaloid]

Discord crosspost request for https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=149692

edit: posted on the forums

I found this stable 135 degree LWSS-to-Glider while learning how to use Silk:

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x = 31, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2$22b2o$22bo$11b2ob2o3b2obo3b2o$11b2obo3bo2bo3bobo$14bo2bo2bo4bo$14b2o
2b2o4b2o$22bo$22b6o$3bo2bo19bobo$7bo14b3o3bo$3bo3bo14bo2b3o$4b4o16bo$
25bo$24b2o!

A stator variant with the same population and bounding box:

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x = 22, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
3$11b2o$11bo$2ob2o3b2obo3b2o$2obo3bo2bo3bobo$3bo2bo2bo4bo$3b2o2b2o4b2o
2bo$11bo3b3o$11b4o$15bo$5b2o4b3obo$3b2ob2o3bo2bo$3b4o6bo$4b2o8b3o$16bo
!

[confocaloid]

We looked for the posts but couldn't find them.

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---
id: 1029052873696358560
author: [866749792214581249, 'hotdogpi']
time: Mon Oct 10 15:28:43 2022 UTC
edited: 1665415840.651
content:
mini p6 works for left/right; unix works for top/bottom
---
id: 1029050839370838096
author: [899258940955721758, 'carsoncheng']
time: Mon Oct 10 15:20:38 2022 UTC
content:
P36 fleet hassler:
```x = 47, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$14bobo$14bo$12b2ob4o$8b2obo3bo2bo$8b2obobo5b2o$11bo4b3o2bo$11bo
b2o4b2obo$12bo3bobo3bo$13b3o3b3o19b2o$15bobobo21b2o$16b3o$17bo21b4o$38b
o4bo$37bob5o$37bobo4b2o$18b3o15b2o5bo2bo$18bo2bo14bo2bobobob2o$16b2o3b
o14b3obo2bo$7b2o7bo3b2o14bo3bob2o$6bo2bo6bo2bo16b2obobo$5bobobo7b3o7b
3o7bobobo$5bobob2o16bo2bo6bo2bo$3b2obo3bo14b2o3bo7b2o$3bo2bob3o14bo3b
2o$2obobobo2bo14bo2bo$o2bo5b2o15b3o$b2o4bobo$3b5obo$3bo4bo$4b4o21bo$28b
3o$4b2o21bobobo$4b2o19b3o3b3o$24bo3bobo3bo$24bob2o4b2obo$25bo2b3o4bo$
26b2o5bobob2o$28bo2bo3bob2o$28b4ob2o$32bo$30bobo$30b2o!```
---

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x = 47, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$14bobo$14bo$12b2ob4o$8b2obo3bo2bo$8b2obobo5b2o$11bo4b3o2bo$11bo
b2o4b2obo$12bo3bobo3bo$13b3o3b3o19b2o$15bobobo21b2o$16b3o$17bo21b4o$38b
o4bo$37bob5o$37bobo4b2o$18b3o15b2o5bo2bo$18bo2bo14bo2bobobob2o$16b2o3b
o14b3obo2bo$7b2o7bo3b2o14bo3bob2o$6bo2bo6bo2bo16b2obobo$5bobobo7b3o7b
3o7bobobo$5bobob2o16bo2bo6bo2bo$3b2obo3bo14b2o3bo7b2o$3bo2bob3o14bo3b
2o$2obobobo2bo14bo2bo$o2bo5b2o15b3o$b2o4bobo$3b5obo$3bo4bo$4b4o21bo$28b
3o$4b2o21bobobo$4b2o19b3o3b3o$24bo3bobo3bo$24bob2o4b2obo$25bo2b3o4bo$
26b2o5bobob2o$28bo2bo3bob2o$28b4ob2o$32bo$30bobo$30b2o!

unrelated, but here's an archive of all messages in the cgol channel, in json format - i've tried formatting it in some better format, to no avail [...]

[...] Meanwhile if you would really like to access the current progress without accessing the discord, you can download very's json file on the main cgol channel [...]

A request: could someone please share an updated archive of messages, in place of the old "cgol.zip" archive (which was later removed for unknown reasons)? Not everyone is able or willing to join a "walled" website just to be able to read.

[dvgrn]

Here's some not-yet-complete synthesis news from the last week, posted here to enable a better LifeWiki CurrentNews link:

Exa — 10/04/2024 11:57 AM
Some 5g synths

Object xs13_0g4q552z121 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5)
(used by 781, first 5 uses: ['xs15_0g8gka23z343', 'xs16_0g4q552zbc1', 'xs16_0g8gka53z343', 'xs17_0g4q552sgz121', 'xs17_0g4q552z3kp'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 25, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
9bo$10bo$8b3o12bo$22bo$22b3o3$obo$b2o5bo3bobo$bo7bo2b2o$7b3o3bo!

Object xs13_03ia4z69c (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5)
(used by 260, first 5 uses: ['xs17_03ia4z69c0cc', 'xs17_064k871zcip', 'xs17_069jzg0s452z11', 'xs17_2eg842156066', 'xs17_2ege1248gkc'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 27, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o3$8bo$8b2o$7bobo2$11b3o$11bo$12bo$24b2o$24bobo$13b2o9bo
$13bobo$13bo!

Object xs14_2560uh23 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5)
(used by 207, first 5 uses: ['xs17_04s0fh8oz321', 'xs17_ggml2z1w6jo', 'xs17_wkc0fh8oz65', 'xs18_178kc0fh8o', 'xs18_178kozwkq226'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
17bo$16bo$bo10bo3b3o$2bo7b2o$3o8b2o3$4bo$2bobo$3b2o4bo$7b2o$8b2o!

Object xs12_bdz3146 (pseudo) (previous cost 8, this cost 5)
(used by 360, first 5 uses: ['xs15_03ia4zog5d', 'xs16_31km96zw56', 'xs16_bdz3146066', 'xs16_mk13zmlz11', 'xs16_ml1248cz65'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o$16bobo$16b2o$17bo2$6bo$o3bobo$b2o2b2o4bo$2o7b2o$10b2o!

Object xs16_4ap30352z32 (pseudo) (previous cost 7, this cost 5)
(used by 200, first 5 uses: ['xp2_318czw358628c', 'xs17_4ap30356z32', 'xs17_4ap30f9z32', 'xs18_31e8zw358628c', 'xs18_4ap3035a4z32'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o2$11bo$11b2o$10bobo$15b3o$15bo$16bo2$6bo$6b2o9b2o$5bobo8b
2o$18bo!

also one that looks nice but would otherwise have not met the trueness/smallness/usefulness/reduction amount threshold for posting

Object xs20_raar0rr (pseudo) (previous cost 6, this cost 5)
(used by 197, first 5 uses: ['xs20_raarahr', 'xs22_gbaarahrz11', 'xs22_raar0rrz011', 'xs24_raarahrzwcc', 'xs25_8o0u93zqn0nq'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
10bo$2bo6bo$obo6b3o$b2o$7bo$8bo$6b3o4$bo15bo$2bo13bo$3o13b3o!

Exa — 10/04/2024 11:59 AM
(all results so far boxed, so you can go look in the queue if you want the unfiltered results)

DroneBetter — 10/04/2024 12:00 PM
@Exa how did you find these? surely not manually

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:01 PM
QuSrc (modded version of QuFince that does collisrc-y things at 25M colls/sec, currently not posted anywhere)
(I used to think it ran at 100M colls/sec but it turned out that I was incrementing the generation count by four each time it stepped by one so it was only running them for 50 steps each instead of the intended 200 😅 )

DroneBetter — 10/04/2024 12:02 PM
so do you input the set of things that you want it to synthesise and have it go through in random order?

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:03 PM
it's running an exhaustive search of the set of 5g collisions with glider placements in a 15x15 range, and checking whether any of them produce a still life known to shinjuku with a current cost of 6 or above

DroneBetter — 10/04/2024 12:03 PM
oh, I was under the impression that QuFince was directed rather than brute-force

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:03 PM
nah, one of the neat things is that it's an enumeration, so once you're done with a segment of the search space you're done
you may be thinking of Silk, by the same person and also a GPU-accelerated search program, which is directed.

DroneBetter — 10/04/2024 12:04 PM
is QuFince configurable for arbitrary INT rules and other spaceships in the place of the glider?

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:05 PM
QuFince original is mainly for catforce-y things and doesn't support the collisrc-y broad based "any relevant target" search
also it's cgol only by default

DroneBetter — 10/04/2024 12:07 PM
@apgoucher can you confirm or deny (is it written in lifelib or something bespoke for the particular finite grid sizes?)

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:09 PM
it is, in a very literal sense, written in lifelib
but the step function is very bespoke (also, now that I look at it, I'm actually using an old version locally that wasn't taking advantage of ternaries, I'll need to update)
https://gitlab.com/apgoucher/lifelib/-/ ... heads#L158
correction, it supports CGOL and pedestrian life

Exa — 10/04/2024 12:24 PM
Ooh, nice, 25% speedup from the new step function, up to 32M colls/sec
⁠cgol⁠
Since this is just about exactly the same speedup regular qufince got from this, that suggests that I'm entirely bottlenecked on advance (I still haven't profiled it properly, this is my first time picking it up since just before christmas last year)

Exa — 10/05/2024 3:42 PM
some more 5g synths
Object xs12_0g8ka23z23 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5) (used by 313, first 5 uses: ['xs16_0g8ka23zqr', 'xs17_0g8ka230352z23', 'xs17_178k8zy01178k8', 'xs17_wg8ka23zgarz01', 'xs18_32ak8gzy132c826']) produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 26, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
21bo$4bobo12b2o$5b2o13b2o$5bo19bo$23b2o$24b2o3$2bo$obo$b2o$5b2o$4b
obo$6bo!

Object xs13_256o8b5 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5) (used by 928, first 5 uses: ['xp2_8oxc813z346o8b5', 'xs15_03ihe8z2521', 'xs16_32156o8b5', 'xs16_o4c32qkz23', 'xs17_0g8kc32qkz23']) produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
10b3o$6bo3bo$4bobo4bo$5b2o2$2bo5b2o$obo6b2o$b2o5bo8b2o$16b2o$18bo!

Object xs13_25iczw1256 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5) (used by 808, first 5 uses: ['xs15_1784ozx34ac', 'xs15_25a4ozx34ac', 'xs16_35a4ozx34ac', 'xs16_35iczw12pm', 'xs17_03iak8zok96']) produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 29, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
27bo$26bo$26b3o6$2bo$obo$b2o2$4b2o$5b2o$4bo$14b2o$bo12bobo$b2o11bo
$obo!

Object xs18_69ar8br (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5) (used by 616, first 5 uses: ['xs19_3iaraicz23', 'xs19_8u1taz23w56', 'xs19_dj8r2qr', 'xs19_j9ara96z11', 'xs20_03iaraicz65']) produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 24, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo19bo$3o18bo$10bo10b3o$10bobo$5bo4b2o$6b2o$5b2o4$14b2o$13b2o$
15bo!

Object xs12_39c0c826 (pseudo) (previous cost 8, this cost 5) (used by 131, first 5 uses: ['xs14_31kmzok21', 'xs16_0rbzg0arz11', 'xs16_c9303146z33', 'xs17_253039c0c826', 'xs17_25606413039c']) produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
16bo$16bobo$11bobo2b2o$11b2o$12bo2$8bo$obo5b2o3bo$b2o4bobo2bo$bo
10b3o!

Kazyan — 10/05/2024 3:46 PM
"used by 928"

Good stuff coming out of that search, phew

Exa — 10/05/2024 3:51 PM
Currently at 3.5 Tcolls out of a search space of 31.4 Tcolls
After I finish this run I'll put up the code - there's more I wanted to do with this before calling it good but I've already spent nine months doing nothing
nine days left if nothing interrupts it - if something does interrupt it I'll need to get around to implementing "resuming partially completed searches" which there's currently no way to do

Exa — 10/6/2024 at 9:49 PM
first four-digit uses (though that xp4 seems to have a new synth on catagolue that no longer goes by this intermediate)

Object xs30_mkkmkkl3y18kk8z1w1w23 (pseudo) (previous cost 6, this cost 5)
(used by 1208, first 5 uses: ['xp4_0s89998sz330888033', 'xs23_gbb8raarz23', 'xs24_09v0rbz6430346', 'xs24_09v0v9z6430346', 'xs25_09v0rbz64303426'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o8bo$9bo$9b3o5bo$16bo$16b3o3$7bo$5b2o$6b2o4$5b3o$5bo$6bo!

And one that looks neat
Object xs17_8e1t246z311 (true) (previous cost 6, this cost 5) (used by 201, first 5 uses: ['xs18_178baiczx65', 'xs19_0ciab871z6221', 'xs19_178baicz06421', 'xs19_178baiczwca1', 'xs19_ciab871z643']) produced by the following collision:

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x = 23, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o17bobo$20b2o$21bo2$11bobo$11b2o$12bo$7bobo$7b2o$8bo3$8b2o
$7b2o$9bo!

Exa — 10/6/2024 at 10:09 PM
Also, the only two so far with old cost >=10 and uses >0
Object xs19_4s0c9jzw113452 (true) (previous cost 14, this cost 5)
(used by 3, first 3 uses: ['xs21_0358g0ggz8kid543', 'xs21_0gs2qbgz3421x56', 'xs23_31e88gz64134bic'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 26, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
5bobo$2bo3b2o$obo3bo$b2o5$16bo$16bobo4bobo$16b2o5b2o$24bo$11b3o$
13bo$12bo!

Object xs16_3pmzg6qz11 (pseudo) (previous cost 12, this cost 5)
(used by 6, first 5 uses: ['xs20_3pmzg6qzdd', 'xs22_gbq23zlmz69c', 'xs28_9f0ckg8o0o8gkc0f9', 'xs29_32qbgzxml8zwc96z3113', 'xs33_03lk453zgbc1z0djozw6226'])
produced by the following collision:

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#CLL state-numbering golly
x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o8bo$bo8bo$10b3o4$6bo$6bobo$6b2o7bo$13b2o$14b2o$7b2o$6b2o$8b
o!

Exa — 10/6/2024 at 11:20 PM
System locked up and I had to restart 😔
Now on hold until I implement resuming
Exa — 10/6/2024 at 11:47 PM
Nevermind, it was easy, resumed.

[dvgrn]

An improvement of the B29 synthesis recipe to 15 gliders (so far):

Kazyan — 10/9/2024 at 1:17 AM
Improvement to the B29 synthesis, found via QuFince. It replaces the cool mango-fourteener scaffold.

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x = 39, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
12bo$10bobo$11b2o12bobo$25b2o5bo$26bo3b2o$13bo17b2o$14b2o$13b2o2$5bo$
3bobo4bo$4b2o5b2o24bo$10b2o11b2o11bo$22bobo11b3o$22b2o2$22b2o$21bobo$
21bo$20b2o$bo$b2o3bo$obo3b2o22b3o$5bobo22bo$31bo$22b2o$14bo8b2o$14b2o
6bo$13bobo2$24bo$10b3o10b2o$12bo10bobo$11bo!

DroneBetter — 10/9/2024 at 7:55 AM
this is 18G, however Catagolue now contains a 16G one, was this your doing also?

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x = 35, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
13bo$14b2o$13b2o$21bo$21bobo$21b2o3$16bobo$17b2o5bo$17bo6bobo$4bo19b
2o$5b2o4bo$4b2o6bo$10b3o19bobo$32b2o$20b2o11bo$19bobo$b2o16bo$obo3b
2o10b2o7bo$2bo2bobo18b2o$7bo18bobo2$22b3o$14b2o8bo$13bobo7bo$15bo2$
11bo7b2o$11b2o6bobo$10bobo6bo!

DroneBetter — 10/9/2024 at 8:00 AM
in particular it is a variation of the one you shared which looks somewhat QuFincy

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x = 39, y = 36, rule = DoubleB3S23
14.B$12.B.B$12.A2B$10.A.A12.B.B$11.2A12.CBA$25.AC5.A$26.A3.2A$13.A3.B13.2A$
14.2A2.B$13.2A.3B9.B.B$28.2B$5.C23.B$3.C.C4.C$4.2C5.2C24.C$10.2C11.2A11.C$
22.A.A11.3C$22.2A2$22.2C$21.C.C$21.C$20.2C$.C$.2C3.C$C.C3.2C22.3C$5.C.C22.
C$31.C$22.2C$14.C8.2C$14.2C6.C$13.C.C2$24.C$10.3C10.2C$12.C10.C.C$11.C!

Kazyan — 10/9/2024 at 9:09 AM
Yep, also mine

I'm sure those four green gliders could be three, but I'm far out of practice and don't have synthesize-patt.py up and running

...

Moosey — Today at 9:25 AM
what an elegant synthesis, wow
impressively little scaffolding

dvgrn — 10/9/2024 at 9:27 AM
... I'm almost finished with the Lx65-spine toolkit, so I want to try using the hopefully-improved version of this recipe to build a glider-to-B29 converter -- see how much more compact the new Lx65 tech is in practice.

DroneBetter — 10/9/2024 at 9:40 AM
[actually] all one needs to do that spark in 3G is Niemiec's old beehive synthesis collection

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x = 37, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
24bo$22bobo$23b2o2$25bo$25bobo$19bo5b2o$17bobo$18b2o2$4bo$5b2o4bo$4b2o6bo$
10b3o21bobo$34b2o$35bo$21b2o$20bobo$20bo$b2o16b2o$obo3b2o21bo$2bo2bobo20b
2o$7bo20bobo2$22b3o$14b2o8bo$13bobo7bo$15bo2$11bo9b2o$11b2o8bobo$10bobo8bo!

[confocaloid]

[...] Speaking of 'remarkable collisions', I think the following reaction deserves a mention in some "Did you know?" item, although I'm unsure what could be an accurate description of this reaction in the DYK format:

AforAmpere's recent discovery of an ash constellation that turns into its mirror image with an 8-cell offset when you hit it with a single glider --

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x = 581, y = 368, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o46$579bo$578bo$578b3o46$81bo$82bo$80b3o46$499bo$498bo$498b3o
46$161bo$162bo$160b3o46$419bo$418bo$418b3o46$241bo$242bo$240b3o46$339b
o$338bo$338b3o25$306b2o$306b2o$296bo17b2o$296bo16bo2bo$296bo17b2o!
#C [[ X 21 Y 150 Z 6 AUTOSTART ]]

[...]

Not exactly a crosspost, but here is an extracted preceding discussion that started when that collision was discovered.
This is extracted from the old "out.json" archive mentioned earlier ( viewtopic.php?p=192498#p192498 ).
Some interleaving flood of synthesis-related messages was filtered manually.

#578725238385410060 aforampere [Thu May 16 23:27:29 2019 UTC] Woah:
#578725241300451348 aforampere [Thu May 16 23:27:29 2019 UTC]

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x = 25, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
23bo$22bo$22b3o5$10b2o$10b2o$o17b2o$o16bo2bo$o17b2o!

#578726404200464407 pc101 [Thu May 16 23:32:06 2019 UTC] If in the far future we find 2 period 112 glider rakes we could make this structure as a tagalong for both
#578726594764472321 aforampere [Thu May 16 23:32:52 2019 UTC] I wonder if this has any other potential
#578729404360949763 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:44:02 2019 UTC] Unfortunately it would need rakes slower than c/10.
#578729528818532366 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:44:31 2019 UTC] Ooh -- by how much does a Caterloopillar advance?
#578729609802153994 pc101 [Thu May 16 23:44:51 2019 UTC] Or perhaps a blockstacker that produces gliders
#578729620187381801 pc101 [Thu May 16 23:44:53 2019 UTC] Not sure
#578729640538013696 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:44:58 2019 UTC] (Oh, 250 cells at a time. :/ )
#578729897258909702 pc101 [Thu May 16 23:45:59 2019 UTC] !wiki shieldbug
#578730291775012884 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:47:33 2019 UTC] Oh, *that* thing -- ouch, 31 is coprime to 16, so you'll need 31 shield bugs with output thinned by a factor of 16.
#578730376604811274 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:47:54 2019 UTC] (on each side, so 62 shield bugs in total)
#578730570381787146 pc101 [Thu May 16 23:48:40 2019 UTC] What about the centipede?
#578730658768224286 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:49:01 2019 UTC] Again, that's the same.
#578730752464781312 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:49:23 2019 UTC] I suppose, in theory, you could make one centipede produce all 62 glider streams at the back.
#578730761734324224 aforampere [Thu May 16 23:49:25 2019 UTC] So it could be built?
#578730879581683722 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:49:53 2019 UTC] Yes, but it would be huge.
#578730995746865152 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:50:21 2019 UTC] Wait a moment...
#578731014952583168 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:50:26 2019 UTC] Orthogonoids are a thing.
#578731537743478815 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:52:30 2019 UTC] And I think if someone makes an Orthogonoid with a spatial period of 16 (mod 32) and a temporal period of 0 (mod 4), then one Orthogonoid could drag that reaction behind it.
#578731783693139973 apgoucher [Thu May 16 23:53:29 2019 UTC] It would look like an isosceles right-angled triangle, where the Orthogonoid is the hypotenuse.
#578734186802970624 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:03:02 2019 UTC] <@!>, is there a nice way to send extra glider from it?
#578734785787068434 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:05:25 2019 UTC] We can take Chris Cain's Orthogonoid and tighten it up to have a spatial period of 208 instead of 256:
#578734901948317697 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:05:52 2019 UTC]

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x = 335, y = 146, rule = B3/S23
36bo$35bobo198b2o$35bobo197bobo$34b2ob3o189b2o4bo$40bo186bo2bo2b2ob4o$
34b2ob3o187b2obobobobo2bo$34b2obo192bobobobo$230bobob2o$16b2o8b2o203bo
$16bobo7b2o$18bo225b2o$18bobo214b2o7bo$19b2o214b2o5bobo$242b2o2$260bo$
39b2o219b3o$39b2o222bo$214bo47b2o8b2o$214b3o55bo$217bo14b2o36bobo$216b
2o15bo36b2o$24bo205b3o23b2o$23bobo204bo25b2o26b2o$23bobo258bo$24bo257b
obo30bo$21b3o258b2o22bo7bobo$21bo197b2o35b2o48b3o6bo$218bo2bo34b2o51bo
$219b2o9bo77b2o$229bobo$230b2o2$b2o277b2o$b2o277b2o$301b2o25b2o$301b2o
25bo$4b2o320bobo$3bobo320b2o$b3obobo$o5b2o$2o311b2o$304b2o6bobo$305bo
6bo$302b3o6b2o$302bo$219b2o$219b2o53b2o$274bo$272bobo$240bo31b2o41b2o$
238b3o73bobo$237bo76bo$237b2o74b2o$272b2o$272b2o3$331b2o$331bobo$247b
2o84bo$247b2o84b2o$267b2o$266bo2bo3b2o$267b2o4b2o$210b2o$210b2o$216b2o
32b2o$216b2o33bo71b2o$248b3o63b2o7b2o$248bo24bo41bo$214b2o57b3o39bobo$
214b2o5b2o53bo33b2o4b2o$221b2o38b2o3b2o7b2o18bo15bo20b2o$261b2o3b2o25b
3o15bobo18bo$292bo19b2o16bobo$292b2o36b2o$254b2o$255bo$255bobo$256b2o
2$295b2o$295b2o4$259b2o63b2o$260bo63b2o2b2o$257b3o28b2o38bobo$257bo31b
o40bo$286b3o41b2o$286bo5$272b2o$272b2o$264b2o$265bo$262b3o$262bo2$263b
o$262bobo$262bobo$260b3ob2o$259bo$260b3ob2o$262bob2o2$272b2o8b2o$272b
2o7bobo$281bo$279bobo$279b2o4$259b2o$259b2o5$275bo$274bobo$274bobo$
275bo$276b3o$278bo4$240bo$241bo$236bo4bo55b2o$237b5o55b2o3$294b2o$294b
obo$292bobob3o$292b2o5bo$298b2o!

#578735099332263946 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:06:40 2019 UTC] !sim 1600 16
#578735569866326016 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:08:32 2019 UTC] Then the left half emits 13 gliders per cycle (SE), the right half emits another 13 gliders (SW), and they interleave perfectly like a zip at the reaction site.
#578736216204247040 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:11:06 2019 UTC] What's your plan?
#578737817035735096 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:17:28 2019 UTC] I realised in retrospect it wouldn't work as well as I wanted -- to somehow arrange some extra semi-Snarks attached to an output so that the Orthogonoid would produce the extra gliders at uniform intervals throughout the recipe (and then to pad out the recipe to ensure it's 13 * 2^N gliders in length).
#578737858261549058 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:17:37 2019 UTC] Perhaps it's still somewhat salvageable.
#578738253914701828 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:19:12 2019 UTC] Every way seems really hard or really massive, or both
#578738672611098645 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:20:51 2019 UTC] It's only slightly larger than a normal Orthogonoid, so I wouldn't say 'really massive'.
#578739068796665873 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:22:26 2019 UTC] Also, Chris Cain's Orthogonoid won't work because it's restricted to have even glide symmetry.
#578739098735607818 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:22:33 2019 UTC] We need odd glide symmetry.
#578739150031683594 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:22:45 2019 UTC] Let me see whether Dave Greene's Orthogonoid496 suffices.
#578739410510807071 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:23:47 2019 UTC] Ooh, excellent -- Orthogonoid496 works.
#578739712525860864 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:24:59 2019 UTC] (But with the parameter 128 reduced to 120.)
#578740046006452260 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:26:19 2019 UTC] Would you only need 2 orthogonoids for this?
#578740170380148737 apgoucher [Fri May 17 00:26:49 2019 UTC] One Orthogonoid.
#578740542733680640 catisfluffy [Fri May 17 00:28:17 2019 UTC] How was that reaction discovered?
#578740593593942027 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:28:29 2019 UTC] Pure accident
#578740740113563669 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:29:04 2019 UTC] I was trying to do cleanup on a synthesis, and I saw the block and beehive shift.
#578740778101243905 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:29:13 2019 UTC] I thought it was weird, so I played with it for a bit
#578741372329132073 aforampere [Fri May 17 00:31:35 2019 UTC] 2c/25 seems to be the fastest it can go.
#578742002523570188 catisfluffy [Fri May 17 00:34:05 2019 UTC] K
#578776652579078155 dvgrn [Fri May 17 02:51:47 2019 UTC] That... is an impressively unlikely discovery. Fairly large automated searches have been run without turning up anything quite that good.
#578778857503588362 catisfluffy [Fri May 17 03:00:32 2019 UTC] How big would a Blockic eater be?