All directions and infinite speeds

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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Interesting tagalong:

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x = 15, y = 4, rule = All_Speeds
.ED$14.E2$E2.C8.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Weird:

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x = 27, y = 12, rule = All_Speeds
19.E$5.E12.3E$2.E3.E14.E$3.E.E14.B$3.2E$2.E.A20.E$3.2E4.B3.D3.E6.E.E$
3.E12.E.E6.E$.E2.ED5.A3.E$E3.E10.E$.E2.D2.D2.D3.E$.E12.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

Post by Ethanagor »

I threw together some simple icons for the first four states. The written direction is that in which the cell travels, while the arrow is the direction in which it pushes a cell of state 5. To use these, just paste the whole mess at the bottom of the rule.

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@ICONS

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/* width height num_colors chars_per_pixel */
"31 155 2 1"
/* colors */
"A c #FFFFFF"
". c #0000FF"
/* icon for state 1 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA...AA...AA.....AAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA.AAAA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA..AAA..AAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA.AAAA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA...AA...AA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAA.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAA...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.....AAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA.........AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA...............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAA.................AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

/* icon for state 2 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AA....AAA.AAA...AAA.AA.AA.....A"
"AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAAAAA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AA....AAA.AA.AA..AA....AAAA.AAA"
"AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AA.AAA.AA.AAA...AAA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAA...AAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAA.....AAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA.........AAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA...............AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA.................AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA.......AAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

/* icon for state 3 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA...AA...AA.....AAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA.AAAA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA..AAA..AAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.AAAA.AAAA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA...AA...AA.AAAAAA.AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA..............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA..........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA..............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA...............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAA..........AA....AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA........AAAA...AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA......AAAAAA..AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA....AAAAAAAA.AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 4 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AA....AAA.AAA...AAA.AA.AA.....A"
"AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAAAAA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AA....AAA.AA.AA..AA....AAAA.AAA"
"AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAA.AA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AA.AAA.AA.AAA...AAA.AA.AAAA.AAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA..............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAA..........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAA...........AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA.............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA..............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA...............AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAA..........AA....AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA........AAAA...AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAA......AAAAAA..AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAA....AAAAAAAA.AAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAA..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

/* icon for state 5 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"


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/* width height num_colors chars_per_pixel */
"15 75 2 1"
/* colors */
"A c #FFFFFF"
". c #000000"
/* icon for state 1 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA.AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAA...AAAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAA.......AAAA"
"AAA.........AAA"
"AA...........AA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 2 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA.AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAA...AAAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAA.......AAAA"
"AAA.........AAA"
"AA...........AA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAA.....AAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 3 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.......AAA"
"AAAAAA......AAA"
"AAAAAA......AAA"
"AAAAA.......AAA"
"AAAA........AAA"
"AAA......A..AAA"
"AAAA....AAA.AAA"
"AAAAA..AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 4 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAA.......AAA"
"AAAAAA......AAA"
"AAAAAA......AAA"
"AAAAA.......AAA"
"AAAA........AAA"
"AAA......A..AAA"
"AAAA....AAA.AAA"
"AAAAA..AAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 5 */
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
XPM
/* width height num_colors chars_per_pixel */
"7 35 2 1"
/* colors */
"A c #FFFFFF"
". c #000000"
/* icon for state 1 */
"AAAAAAA"
"AAA.AAA"
"AA...AA"
"A.....A"
"AAA.AAA"
"AAA.AAA"
"AAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 2 */
"AAAAAAA"
"AAA.AAA"
"AA...AA"
"A.....A"
"AAA.AAA"
"AAA.AAA"
"AAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 3 */
"AAAAAAA"
"AA....A"
"AAA...A"
"AA....A"
"A...A.A"
"AA.AAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 4 */
"AAAAAAA"
"AA....A"
"AAA...A"
"AA....A"
"A...A.A"
"AA.AAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
/* icon for state 5 */
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
"AAAAAAA"
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

Post by wwei23 »

Breeder:

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x = 23, y = 4, rule = All_Speeds
2E$6.B6.2E$9.E9.B$22.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Smallest still lives:

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x = 13, y = 44, rule = All_Speeds
E10$E$.E9$E.E$.E9$E.E7.E.E$.E9.E$2.E8.E8$2.E7.E.E$.E9.E$2E9.E$.E10.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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You could almost make a caterpillar out of this:

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x = 27, y = 12, rule = All_Speeds
12.E$26.E8$E$3.D$7.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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AforAmpere wrote: Or a 2c/3 orthogonal ship, the fastest orthogonal speed in this rule:

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x = 6, y = 2, rule = All_Speeds
E.AB$5.E!
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Accidentally put my comment in the quotes.
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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lol, this is why i like to click randomly:

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x = 25, y = 33, rule = All_Speeds
11.E$10.E$9.2E7.E.E$19.E3.E$19.E5$11.E4.A2.E2$4.E$E2.E$.E.E19.DE$.E
10.E.C$3.E7.E7.E$9.E.E6.E$6.E.E3.E.B2.2E$8.E.A7$11.E.AB$17.E$9.E$8.E
10.E$6.E.E$8.E3.E2.G.E$9.E.E4.E2.E$11.E4.E!
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x = 28, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
19bo$3bo15bo4b2o$2bobo14bo4bobo$2bobo20b2o$3bo11b3o2$25b3o$b2o22b3o$o
2bo$b2o12b2o$10b2o2bobo$bo8b2o2b2o$obo7b2o!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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easy obique gun:

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = All_Speeds
3.E$E.E.D$2.E5.E$5.E.E$7.E!
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x = 28, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
19bo$3bo15bo4b2o$2bobo14bo4bobo$2bobo20b2o$3bo11b3o2$25b3o$b2o22b3o$o
2bo$b2o12b2o$10b2o2bobo$bo8b2o2b2o$obo7b2o!
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83bismuth38 wrote:easy obique gun:

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = All_Speeds
3.E$E.E.D$2.E5.E$5.E.E$7.E!
It shoots diagonals.
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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oops... it's hard for me to tell for some reason.
looking to support hive five (n+18) and charity's oboo reaction (2n+18)

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x = 28, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
19bo$3bo15bo4b2o$2bobo14bo4bobo$2bobo20b2o$3bo11b3o2$25b3o$b2o22b3o$o
2bo$b2o12b2o$10b2o2bobo$bo8b2o2b2o$obo7b2o!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Next thing to do here, find an isotropic rule with the same concept. I was working on it, and got infinite orthogonal and diagonal speeds, but only works for (1,n) slopes. I don't know how hard it will end up being, symmetry really makes it tougher.
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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AforAmpere wrote:Next thing to do here, find an isotropic rule with the same concept. I was working on it, and got infinite orthogonal and diagonal speeds, but only works for (1,n) slopes. I don't know how hard it will end up being, symmetry really makes it tougher.
Just to clarify for people who want to try, "isotropic" means the same as "rotate4reflect", correct?
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Yes, it does. I have a feeling there is some easy solution to this that I am just not seeing.
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Gun produces cool wavy effect:

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x = 67, y = 13, rule = All_Speeds
27.E2.C35.E2$25.E7.C30.E2$23.E12.C25.E2$21.E17.C20.E$2.E$E18.E18.C3.C
15.E$.2E5.A2.A2.A2.AE$E17.E37.E$.2E3.ED2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D
2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.D2.E$6.E49.E!
Gun for a smaller ship:

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x = 26, y = 7, rule = All_Speeds
3.E14.E.C3.BG$2.E22.E$E.E13.E2.C4.E$.E11.A.E5.2G$.E2.E.E8.E6.E$5.E7.A
2.A2.A.E$5.E15.E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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Decided to mess with this rule again.

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x = 72, y = 17, rule = All_Speeds
2.E2.E$E2.E3.E48.E$2.E.A.E61.E2.E$2.E3.E63.E$3.E66.E$3.E2$42.E2$44.E2$
58.E$43.E13.E$45.E11.E$45.E8.E$45.E7.E$46.E6.E!

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x = 17, y = 12, rule = All_Speeds
$5.E$3.E2$3.E2.D4.D3.E$.E.E3.A2.A2.AE$14.2E$13.2E!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

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A strange pattern.

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x = 31, y = 17, rule = All_Speeds
25.E.AB$24.A2E3.E$21.E3.E$20.EA4.E$18.A2.E2.BE$15.E4.E5.E$14.EA5.E3.E
$12.A2.E2.B.E5.E$14.E6.E3.E$9.A5.E4.E5.E$6.EB6.E6.E3.E$5.AE8.E4.E5.E$
3.EB2.E6.E6.E3.E$2.AE11.E4.E5.E$4.E9.E6.E3.E$A14.E4.E5.E$14.E6.E3.E!

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
obobo$2ob2o$obobo!

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B35/S234i8
2bo$bobo$2ob2o$5o!
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Re: All directions and infinite speeds

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 »

Just wondering if there are any known rules with spaceships of all speeds (of all slopes) less than c, measured using bond Neumann metric (i.e. c orthogonal, c/2 diagonal, (2,1)/3 knightwise etc.)?
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