Suggested LifeWiki edits

[Haycat2009]

Add the 162nd fun fact - 165th fun fact to the fun fact page

[PHPBB12345]

Please update LifeViewer

[dvgrn]

Please update LifeViewer

As far as I understand, LifeWiki pretty much always has the latest version of LifeViewer these days. You might need to hard-refresh your browser to get rid of an older cached copy. Or do you mean some update that isn't in Build 1042 yet?

[PHPBB12345]

Please update LifeViewer

As far as I understand, LifeWiki pretty much always has the latest version of LifeViewer these days. You might need to hard-refresh your browser to get rid of an older cached copy. Or do you mean some update that isn't in Build 1042 yet?

Update that isn't in Build 1042 yet.

[dvgrn]

Update that isn't in Build 1042 yet.

But... what update, then? Requests for new features would generally go somewhere like the Pattern Viewer for forum threads discussion, not in this "Suggested LifeWiki edits" thread.

[May13]

In page Small period-3 oscillators synthesis costs of xp3_g39c4g62z3w2u and xp3_gooofz1w248ecs are marked with "?", but they both have syntheses (44G and 27G respectively).

[PHPBB12345]

Add PMOS (Puffer made of spaceships) and QGMOS (Quadratic growth made of spaceships) to Self-synthesizing page

[confocaloid]

I think these issues could benefit from more attention / additional discussion.

Is the displacement of Fx119 (20, -14), as in h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle and the previous version of Bx106 article, or (20, 14), as in the Fx119 article, or (-20, 14), as in the Herschel conduit article? I've just edited the Bx106 to remove the weird wanted displacement category; for now the part about Fx119 is taken out due to the question above.

The old version of the Bx106 article was apparently using Cartesian coordinates. The old standard from the Hersrch database was to use Golly coordinates (increasing down and to the right, which is a very old screen-coordinates standard also shared by Life32, MCell, XLife and so on). The labels in the h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle collection use Cartesian coordinates, but that's been a relatively rare choice in the Conway's Life world for the last several decades -- it probably makes more sense to change those h-to-h labels than to change everything else.

The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.

why does the wiki have Category:Conduits with output offset (x,y) categories when almost all of them have only one page in them?

[dvgrn]

I think these issues could benefit from more attention / additional discussion.

The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.

Are there any objections to switching the Herschel shown in Herschel conduit to standard Hersrch orientation, and then changing the y-value signs accordingly?

Re: coordinates in gmc_nxtman's collection -- it's way way past time for an update to Golly's h-to-h collection anyway. I have now done the first bit of coordinate-fixing, and have put in a request here for volunteers to find and add discoveries since 2017.

[C28]

I think these issues could benefit from more attention / additional discussion.

The Herschel conduit article uses standard Golly coordinates also, it just specifies a non-standard orientation of a Herschel as the starting point. The content of that article came from an old Life Lexicon entry, but that entry has since been patched to use the Hersrch-standard orientation of a Herschel which is also used by h-to-h-collection-26Aug2017.rle. I'd say we should update the table in the Herschel conduit article to match the Herschel orientation and coordinate system that is used by (almost?) all of the conduit articles that the table links to.

Are there any objections to switching the Herschel shown in Herschel conduit to standard Hersrch orientation, and then changing the y-value signs accordingly?

Re: coordinates in gmc_nxtman's collection -- it's way way past time for an update to Golly's h-to-h collection anyway. I have now done the first bit of coordinate-fixing, and have put in a request here for volunteers to find and add discoveries since 2017.

none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.

[confocaloid]

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none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.

The dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.

For example, see an incomplete table User:Confocal/H. It includes a number of (both elementary and composite) H-to-H conduits.
Sort the table by "x-y", then sort by "m", look through the conduits with output orientation "F", and you'll discover that F171, F117, F166, F114 are interchangeable in certain contexts: all these conduits have x - y = 46.

[Haycat2009]

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none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.

The dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.

For example, see an incomplete table User:Confocal/H. It includes a number of (both elementary and composite) H-to-H conduits.
Sort the table by "x-y", then sort by "m", look through the conduits with output orientation "F", and you'll discover that F171, F117, F166, F114 are interchangeable in certain contexts: all these conduits have x - y = 46.

I like that page, but you mention a F128, F150, Lx86, F244, F246, F250, F256, BF187H, HF110B, HF157R, BR146H. WHat are they actually? Can you put them in lifeviewers on that User:Confocal/H page please?

[confocaloid]

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none here, though i'm not sure why we bother to list the displacement values for conduits at all.

The dx/dy/dt information can be useful to know, if presented systematically. The question is how to present it in a useful way.

For example, see an incomplete table User:Confocal/H. It includes a number of (both elementary and composite) H-to-H conduits.
Sort the table by "x-y", then sort by "m", look through the conduits with output orientation "F", and you'll discover that F171, F117, F166, F114 are interchangeable in certain contexts: all these conduits have x - y = 46.

I like that page, but you mention a F128, F150, Lx86, F244, F246, F250, F256, BF187H, HF110B, HF157R, BR146H. WHat are they actually? Can you put them in lifeviewers on that User:Confocal/H page please?

Not counting composite conduits with an intermediate Herschel, most listed components are the known conduits from the existing H-to-H collection.

The lack of viewers is by design. The table is just a quick reference to get information about the listed conduits.

[qqd]

Should this H to R-turner conduit found by me be added to the R-turner article, despite its low clearance? It doesn't mention any direct conduits with an R-turner output:

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x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$11bo$8b3o$8bo$9b2o$11bo$9b2obo$8bo3bo$9b3ob2o$11bobobo$4b2o7bob
o$4b2o7bo2b2o$12b2o4bo$14b5o$14bo4b2o$17b2o2bo$18bob2o$18bo$o16b2o$ob
o$3o$2bo!
[[ STOP 43 ]]

Or this one, from HB56B?

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x = 19, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o2$17bo$16bobo$17b2o2$17b2o$2bo13bobo$2bobo12bo$2b3o$4bo
!
[[ STOP 39 ]]

[confocaloid]

Should this H to R-turner conduit found by me be added to the R-turner article, despite its low clearance?

Are there many known similar conduits that could then be added as well, for the same reasons?
An article cannot contain too many examples of something, without becoming too long. But if there are very few known examples that can be shown in a reasonable way, there should be no major problems.

[KtT]

I found the canonical variant of p86 R-pentomino hassler can be constructed with 30 gliders.

[wirehead]

Is the OCA Discovery of the Year page going to be updated with the 2022 results now that the voting is closed (and has been for two weeks)?

[MEisSCAMMER]

Is the OCA Discovery of the Year page going to be updated with the 2022 results now that the voting is closed (and has been for two weeks)?

On it.

[haaaaaands]

this rule isn't mentioned anywhere: R2,C80,S0,5,B2-3,5-7,P95,25,4. plz note that i ***didn't*** discover this rule.

[MEisSCAMMER]

this rule isn't mentioned anywhere: R2,C80,S0,5,B2-3,5-7,P95,25,4. plz note that i ***didn't*** discover this rule.

The thing with that rule is it just isn't very *interesting*. It's impossible to engineer anything, it's impossible to make anything really besides chaotic growth. Thus a wiki article wouldn't to it much good. Many rules are similar to this one actually, in that they make pretty patterns but nothing else.

[C28]

the center cell diagram on Template:Conduit should be updated to include the other recognized conduit signals.

[confocaloid]

Template:Conduit

The template documentation is on the subpage Template:Conduit/Doc. Unfortunately I don't think I can help with updating it, because
(a) my understanding of how to improve the page does not appear to be compatible with someone else's understanding of how to improve the page, and
(b) see viewtopic.php?p=168743#p168743

That said, the center cell and orientation of an active object are (mostly) arbitrary choices. And these choices only make sense if everyone interested agrees to use these choices.
viewtopic.php?p=144731#p144731
If someone wants to go ahead and update the affected wiki pages, it could be helpful to add footnotes with links to forum posts where these decisions were made, and also to avoid inventing new "standards" that are not yet commonly followed/agreed in practice.

[hotdogPi]

Adding things like I-heptomino, two-glider octomino, blonk-tie, etc. is unrelated to the debate over the word "signal" and can still be done.

I generally choose "generation of convergence" (i.e. when the predecessors converge to the same pattern) for these regions, although that still doesn't define the center cell.

Plus there are always exceptions:

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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo$4b2o$4bo$4bo!

[squareroot12621]

The p30 beehive hassler in the p35 beehive hassler article should have [[ LOOP 30 ]], not [[ LOOP 35 ]].

[confocaloid]

Requesting deletion of pages listed in Category:Speedy deletion, Category:Pending deletion.