Self-Replicator Competition?

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Tezcatlipoca
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

I like the features of the non-symmetrical battlefields and the promise of "ecological niches" within them. However, I think we'll all agree that under normal circumstances in a bounded area, the starting location and position of a shape contributes greatly, down the line, to its overall pattern and even its evolution. A little difference can lead to vastly different results in my experience. So I have tried my hand at creating a battlefield that will allow us to standardize starting position without sacrificing the features.

Below is my result for us to test(linked for size). I will tell you straight off that it's a "rough" symmetry of starting position and not the pristine and equal playing ground we'd desire if we were to allow ourselves to be ideal, but I think it's progress in the right direction. (Maybe you all can take the concept or the field and improve upon it.)

http://pastebin.com/rKddKQLV

Further I think we should standardize loop orientation and arm starting position and perhaps starting pattern order with respect to arm bud. I am unsure for loop orientation. I have done some tests where the longer portion of the loop, if it is not symmetrical, runs parallel to the x-axis. Maybe someone will have a better system. However arm starting position could easily be standardized by allowing only the single block with the starting white or green bud(s) of the arm extending beyond the loop body. As for starting pattern order, I am uncertain on the relevance of this, however in my genetic analysis I use as a patterns "start" the first meaningful--"bud interactive"--green block after the longest sequence comprised only of blue and orange--"forward lengthening"--blocks. Again maybe someone will have a better system for this.

Also, does anyone have a comprehensive list of the most up to date challengers of each lineage to use test in testing these new ideas? If so, I hope you'll share.

Happy life creating! And I hope to have a surprise soon to share with you all.
c0b0p0
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Tezcatlipoca wrote:... I have another more stable and efficient variant ...
Is it the pattern below?

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x = 17, y = 8, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
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c0b0p0
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Here is the current competition, with a large bias against my loops, after I added another loop.

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x = 1051, y = 686, rule = 2armshapeloop2-a
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Here is a loop that lasts against the dismal tide for more than 10,000 generations.

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x = 454, y = 205, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
189.127N$171.18N127.12N$154.17N157.10N$141.13N184.20N$133.8N217.6N$
125.8N231.6N$119.6N245.6N$115.4N257.5N$111.4N266.2N$108.3N272.3N$104.
4N278.2N$101.3N284.2N$97.4N289.3N$94.3N296.2N$91.3N301.3N$87.4N307.2N
$84.3N313.2N$81.3N318.2N$77.4N323.N$74.3N328.N$71.3N332.2N$69.2N337.N
$67.2N340.N$65.2N343.2N$63.2N347.N$61.2N350.2N$59.2N354.N$57.2N357.N$
55.2N360.2N$53.2N364.N$51.2N367.N$49.2N370.2N$47.2N374.N$45.2N377.N$
43.2N380.N$40.3N382.N$38.2N386.N$38.2N387.N$38.2N388.N$38.2N388.N$38.
N390.N$38.N391.N$38.N392.N$37.N393.N$36.N395.N$35.N397.N$34.N398.N$
34.N399.N$32.2N400.N$31.N403.N$30.N404.N$29.N405.N$28.N407.N$27.N408.
N$27.N409.N$26.N410.N$25.N412.N$24.N413.N$23.N414.N$22.N416.N$22.N
416.N$21.N418.N$20.N419.N$19.N420.N$18.N422.N$18.N422.N$17.N424.N$16.
N425.N$16.N426.N$15.N427.N$15.N427.N$14.N429.N$13.N430.N$13.N431.N$
12.N432.N$11.N433.N$11.N433.N$10.N435.N$9.N436.N$9.N436.N$8.N437.N$8.
N437.N$7.N438.N$6.N440.N$6.N96.G343.N$5.N91.DF2ACAB343.N$4.N92.AJ4HA
343.N$4.N92.D2H2.HA343.N$3.N93.3AH.HA343.N$2.N96.A3HC344.N$2.N96.DC2D
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27.2N419.N$29.N418.N$30.N416.N$31.N413.2N$32.N411.N$33.N409.N$34.2N
405.2N$36.N403.N$37.N401.N$38.2N397.2N$40.N395.N$41.2N392.N$43.N389.
2N$44.N387.N$45.2N384.N$47.N381.2N$48.N379.N$49.2N376.N$51.N373.2N$
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$110.3N157.7N$113.4N144.9N$117.7N125.12N$124.10N103.12N$134.19N58.26N
$153.58N!
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

As the rule created two arm loops have trouble against one arm loops as far as density and speed of expansion go, and I have found several two arm loops in the single armed competition, I wonder if we shouldn't stick to the latest single arm loop for the best competition.
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

c0b0p0 wrote:
Tezcatlipoca wrote:... I have another more stable and efficient variant ...
Is it the pattern below?

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x = 17, y = 8, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
5.G$AC2DAD$A4HA$AH2.HD$DH.2HA10.I$A2HD3A2DCBAFDADA$D2HD2.10HI$FABC!
This is it:

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x = 9, y = 16, rule = shapeloop2a-bounded
.F4A$.D3HB$.AH.H3A$.DH2.2HC$.A4HJA$.3ADC2DG$HA$HD$HA$HD$HF$HD$HA$HD$H
A$IDI!
Last edited by Tezcatlipoca on February 25th, 2015, 10:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

The first result I got when putting my last loop and the rebel tide together is below.

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x = 454, y = 205, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
189.127N$171.18N127.12N$154.17N157.10N$141.13N184.20N$133.8N217.6N$
125.8N231.6N$119.6N245.6N$115.4N257.5N$111.4N266.2N$108.3N272.3N$104.
4N278.2N$101.3N284.2N$97.4N289.3N$94.3N296.2N$91.3N301.3N$87.4N307.2N
$84.3N313.2N$81.3N318.2N$77.4N323.N$74.3N328.N$71.3N332.2N$69.2N337.N
$67.2N340.N$65.2N343.2N$63.2N347.N$61.2N350.2N$59.2N354.N$57.2N357.N$
55.2N360.2N$53.2N364.N$51.2N367.N$49.2N370.2N$47.2N374.N$45.2N377.N$
43.2N380.N$40.3N382.N$38.2N386.N$38.2N387.N$38.2N388.N$38.2N388.N$38.
N390.N$38.N391.N$38.N392.N$37.N393.N$36.N395.N$35.N397.N$34.N398.N$
34.N399.N$32.2N400.N$31.N403.N$30.N404.N$29.N405.N$28.N407.N$27.N408.
N$27.N409.N$26.N410.N$25.N412.N$24.N413.N$23.N414.N$22.N416.N$22.N
416.N$21.N418.N$20.N419.N$19.N420.N$18.N422.N$18.N422.N$17.N424.N$16.
N425.N$16.N426.N$15.N427.N$15.N427.N$14.N429.N$13.N430.N$13.N431.N$
12.N432.N$11.N433.N$11.N433.N$10.N435.N$9.N436.N$9.N436.N$8.N437.N$8.
N437.N$7.N134.F4A299.N$6.N135.D3HB300.N$6.N135.AH.H3A298.N$5.N136.DH
2.2HC298.N$4.N137.A4HJA298.N$4.N137.3ADC2DG297.N$3.N137.HA304.N$2.N
138.HD305.N$2.N138.HA305.N$.N139.HD305.N$.N139.HF305.N$N140.HD305.N$N
140.HA305.N$N140.HD306.N$N140.HA306.N$N140.IDI305.N$N316.G131.N$N309.
ADF2ACAB131.N$N309.DJ5HA131.N$.N308.A2H3.HA132.N$.N308.3AH2.HA132.N$.
N310.D4HC132.N$.N310.C2DADA132.N$2.N447.N$2.N447.N$2.N448.N$2.N448.N$
2.N448.N$3.N447.N$3.N447.N$3.N447.N$3.N448.N$4.N447.N$4.N447.N$4.N
447.N$5.N446.N$5.N446.N$5.N447.N$6.N446.N$6.N446.N$6.N446.N$7.N445.N$
7.N445.N$8.N444.N$8.N444.N$9.N443.N$9.N443.N$10.N442.N$10.N442.N$11.N
441.N$11.N441.N$12.N440.N$13.N439.N$14.N438.N$14.N438.N$15.N437.N$16.
N436.N$17.N435.N$17.N435.N$18.N433.N$19.N432.N$20.N430.N$20.N430.N$
21.N429.N$22.N427.N$23.N426.N$24.N425.N$25.N423.N$26.N422.N$27.2N419.
N$29.N418.N$30.N416.N$31.N413.2N$32.N411.N$33.N409.N$34.2N405.2N$36.N
403.N$37.N401.N$38.2N397.2N$40.N395.N$41.2N392.N$43.N389.2N$44.N387.N
$45.2N384.N$47.N381.2N$48.N379.N$49.2N376.N$51.N373.2N$52.2N370.N$54.
N367.2N$55.N363.3N$56.2N358.3N$58.N353.4N$59.2N348.3N$61.N344.3N$62.N
340.3N$63.2N335.3N$65.N330.4N$66.2N325.3N$68.N321.3N$69.2N315.4N$71.N
309.5N$72.2N302.5N$74.N296.5N$75.N290.5N$76.2N283.5N$78.N275.7N$79.2N
263.10N$81.2N252.9N$83.4N238.10N$87.3N227.8N$90.3N217.7N$93.4N207.6N$
97.3N197.7N$100.3N187.7N$103.4N176.7N$107.3N167.6N$110.3N157.7N$113.
4N144.9N$117.7N125.12N$124.10N103.12N$134.19N58.26N$153.58N!
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

c0b0p0 :D Strong competition! Promising to see your slightly larger loop holding its own against the smaller rebel tide. I am however with the others that have said already, I really wish we could make the breakthrough to a large loop that has natural advantage over small. Has anyone learned anything about the portion of the pattern that modulates initial arm length and thus density of the loop pattern in their playing around?

Oh, and is anybody interested in a large loops only competition? Something like loops with a perimeter > 100 points? Maybe such a competition would be illustrative and help us make it to that breakthrough!
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

@Tezcatlipoca: The point I was making was that the rebel tide was less fit for competition than the dismal tide. In all of the competitions I have observed between the rebel tide and the elongated tide (my second latest loop; the loop with one arm is the one-armed tide), the elongated tide lasts for more than 16,000 generations.
To make that even clearer, my new loop beats the rebel tide but not the dismal tide, as shown below.

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x = 454, y = 205, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
189.127N$171.18N127.12N$154.17N157.10N$141.13N184.20N$133.8N217.6N$
125.8N231.6N$119.6N245.6N$115.4N257.5N$111.4N266.2N$108.3N272.3N$104.
4N278.2N$101.3N284.2N$97.4N289.3N$94.3N296.2N$91.3N301.3N$87.4N307.2N
$84.3N313.2N$81.3N318.2N$77.4N323.N$74.3N328.N$71.3N332.2N$69.2N337.N
$67.2N340.N$65.2N343.2N$63.2N347.N$61.2N350.2N$59.2N354.N$57.2N357.N$
55.2N360.2N$53.2N364.N$51.2N367.N$49.2N370.2N$47.2N374.N$45.2N377.N$
43.2N380.N$40.3N382.N$38.2N386.N$38.2N387.N$38.2N388.N$38.2N388.N$38.
N390.N$38.N391.N$38.N392.N$37.N393.N$36.N395.N$35.N397.N$34.N398.N$
34.N399.N$32.2N400.N$31.N403.N$30.N404.N$29.N405.N$28.N407.N$27.N408.
N$27.N409.N$26.N410.N$25.N412.N$24.N413.N$23.N414.N$22.N416.N$22.N
416.N$21.N418.N$20.N419.N$19.N420.N$18.N422.N$18.N422.N$17.N424.N$16.
N425.N$16.N426.N$15.N427.N$15.N427.N$14.N429.N$13.N430.N$13.N431.N$
12.N432.N$11.N433.N$11.N433.N$10.N435.N$9.N436.N$9.N436.N$8.N437.N$8.
N437.N$7.N134.F4A299.N$6.N135.D3HB300.N$6.N135.AH.H3A298.N$5.N136.DH
2.2HC298.N$4.N137.A4HJA298.N$4.N137.3ADC2DG297.N$3.N137.HA304.N$2.N
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by pi_guy314 »

Tezcatlipoca wrote:I am however with the others that have said already, I really wish we could make the breakthrough to a large loop that has natural advantage over small.
I am currently developing a rule in which loops are required to use a food particle in order to reproduce. However, the loops survival rate is currently low due to some bugs. The rule is suppose to select loop size based on food density. A small loop in a low food density will starve and won't be able to reproduce. I'll release the rule table as soon as the survival rate is high enough, which might be a in few days.
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Tezcatlipoca
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

That's exciting news! I think this could absolutely be a step toward the explosion in complexity that we are all looking and hoping for.

Wish I knew enough to offer my help on the rule. I guess one thing I can offer to speculate on with you is the nature of analogy. And if this is a technicality or unhelpful, do excuse it or correct it, but I think "food" is the wrong level to be thinking on at where we are in the world of life with CA right now. Before there was seeking and finding generalized resource, there was a world where "the food" was very much like the entity doing the eating. I'm referring to the self-replicating macro molecular world that we infer was the antecedent to what is commonly recognized as "life". And that could be worth thinking about in the abstract I guess because while fundamentally "eating" is just consuming composing resources, the degree of difference between the food and the eater is much different. It was more re-configuring very similar things to a configuration much like itself. Think a prion and not a cell. I come at this from a place of near ignorance, but in my struggles to come up with what a very life like rule would look like, I imagined a liberally seeded world of similar states some of which had the power to configure each other in certain ways and then lock in place, then move together and be resistant to change. (Got a few details on that if it's interesting but not anything like a cogent plan).

But really I'm just looking forward to this more lifelike world coming out as you've envisioned and built it. You don't know how thrilled I will be to have to eat those words above on the nature of the analogy :D
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Evidently the execution of the principle that greener is better can be overdone.

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x = 454, y = 205, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
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c0b0p0
Posts: 645
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

A 6x6 loop, as before, is the winner.

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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by Tezcatlipoca »

The

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tag will make this thread a lot more useful and interesting. I have edited my posts to utilize it rather than the code tag in this discussion. Perhaps we should reopen the conversation with this new tool to easily compare interesting and competitive loops visually! :D I don't know how to control the color scheme yet so unfortunately a few of my posts are a different color scheme and thus harder to examine, but I think it can be altered.

Does anyone have any new competitive loops to share?
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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Tezcatlipoca wrote:I don't know how to control the color scheme yet so unfortunately a few of my posts are a different color scheme and thus harder to examine, but I think it can be altered.
The Viewer has predefined sets of colors for a number of rules:
  • LifeHistory
  • WireWorld, WWE, WWE2, WWEJ, WWEJ2, WWEJ3
  • Novoloop
  • shapeloop, shapeloop2, shapeloop-ltd, 2armshapeloop-a, shapeloop2a-bounded, foodshapeloop, foodshapeloop2
If the pattern uses a different multi-state rule then it will use Golly's default 256 colors. Looking at your posts in a few cases you've used a rule not recognised in the library and the Viewer has defaulted to Golly's set.
  • shapeloop:P1400,880
  • shapeloop:P8400,5280
  • shapeloop-b
For the first two I assume that it's the standard "shapeloop" rule and I should identify the ":" character as the end of the rule name?
For the last one I just don't have a color set for that but I guess it should be the same as the other shapeloop color sets?

You can also easily define your own color sets for multi-state patterns. Either in pattern comments or after the terminating "!" symbol add the following Viewer script command:

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[[ COLOR <state number> <red> <green> <blue> ]]
For example here is the WireWorld color set written as script commands:

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[[ COLOR 0 48 48 48
COLOR 1 0 128 255
COLOR 2 255 255 255
COLOR 3 255 128 0 ]]
There are several other Viewer script commands you can use to control the appearance and you can get a list of them by typing 'H' on a selected Viewer to display the help. If you scroll down to the bottom of the help it will show you the current color set values.

Best regards,
Chris
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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rowett wrote:For the first two I assume that's it's the standard "shapeloop" rule and I should identify the ":" character as the end of the rule name?
For the last one I just don't have a color set for that but I guess it should be the same as the other shapeloop color sets?
Right on both counts. That syntax is so you can set up your patterns to run on a bounded grid -- plane, torus, Klein bottle, cross-surface or sphere -- though often at the cost of a serious slowdown in Golly's simulation speed. The numbers give the X and Y size of the grid.

This means that the viewer might not run such patterns accurately, so defaulting to a VIEWONLY option might be safer here, even for rules that are otherwise supported -- unless you want to think about supporting all of the possible strange grid sizes and boundary connection types. The viewer uses a torus of some kind, right? but with the size increasing automatically up to 8192^2. So the "T" option might be relatively easy. "P" is an odd one, where around the border the cells just never turn on. So you get some weird edge effects, like a Conway's Life LWSS bouncing off the border and turning into a glider, which the next border converts to a block.

Can't really show that here, because the viewer does strange things with the bounded-grid syntax:

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x = 50, y = 50, rule = B3/S23:P50,50
23$24b3o$23bo2bo$26bo$26bo$25bo!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL ]]

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x = 50, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory:P50,50
23$24.3A$23.A2.A$26.A$26.A$25.A!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL ]]
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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dvgrn wrote:
rowett wrote:For the first two I assume that it's the standard "shapeloop" rule and I should identify the ":" character as the end of the rule name?
For the last one I just don't have a color set for that but I guess it should be the same as the other shapeloop color sets?
Right on both counts.
OK fixed in Build 135, which also adds support for grid lines:
  • correctly handle ":" character in rule names
  • added "shapeloop-b" and "2armshapeloop-a" to the "shapeloop" colour set.
  • added grid line diplay (disabled by default)
    • will only display at zoom levels >= 4 and angle 0
    • hotkey 'X' to toggle
    • script command "GRID" to enable on startup
    • script command "COLOR GRID R G B" will define grid line colour (or "COLOUR GRID R G B")
dvgrn wrote:-- unless you want to think about supporting all of the possible strange grid sizes and boundary connection types.
No, that's what Golly's for :)
dvgrn wrote:The viewer uses a torus of some kind, right? but with the size increasing automatically up to 8192^2.
Not quite. The full LifeViewer supports wrap X, wrap Y, wrap both (torus), or bounded but only on grids whose dimensions are a power of 2. But for the plugin I stripped all that out and it just supports a bounded grid of 8192^2. The grid actually starts of at 1024^2 and dynamically grows (to the limit) as needed to save memory since I was mindful there could be many Viewers on a single page.
dvgrn wrote:Can't really show that here, because the viewer does strange things with the bounded-grid syntax
Those will now work once the new build is installed. i.e. they'll function as if unbounded.

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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Since this has become the 2armshapeloop thread, I will post these one-armed loops here, even though this does not relate to the competition.

There are two nonalternating one-armed loops that are not 7x6 that are natural mutations of the one-armed tide, shown below.

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#CXRLE Pos=401,191
x = 21, y = 7, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
3A2DC$D2H2JB$AHI2HA11.K$D2HADEDADADAC2DADA$D2HD2.11HA$CADA12.HACD$17.
HJDJ!

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#CXRLE Pos=137,241
x = 9, y = 16, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
2AC2DADA$A6HD$D2H3.HA$ADFH2.HD$2.A4HA$2.BCDC2AG$.HA$.HF$.HD$.HA$.HD$.
HA$.HD$.HA$.HD$.IAI!
By adding two right-turn genes and a left-turn gene to the one-armed elongated tide (the second loop) and deleting some genes of state 4, I found a symmetrical version of the one-armed elongated tide, shown below.

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x = 7, y = 12, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
5.G$2.BAFD$2.CHJA$ACD2HC$A2H.HA$AH2.HD$DH2.HA$AH.2HD$D2HBCAK$A2HC$DA
2DKD$4.2HI!
By adding genes of states 2, 4, and 3, respectively, and running the pattern for 13000 generations, I found the four one-armed loops shown below.

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x = 427, y = 336, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
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CD$390.I25.D2H.J3HA$416.CH5.HD$416.AH5.HA$416.DH5.HD$416.FH5.HA$416.A
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

Post by c0b0p0 »

Here is a one-armed alternating loop that alternates between a 6x6 body and a 6x10 body.

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x = 10, y = 20, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
5.D3A$.IH2.F2HA$.DKCBA2HD$.I.D2H.HD$3.DH2.JAJ$3.AH$3.AH$3.AH$3.DH$3.A
H$3.DH$3.AH$3.DH$3.DH$4A2.I$D2HD.KH$FHIDAD$AHI2HA$B4HD$C2D3A!
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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dvgrn wrote:I haven't had time to look back through the other threads -- has this little critter showed up elsewhere, and does it already have a name?
This loop was mentioned on the same page as the above quote as an unnamed mutant that evolved from the second competition I posted.

Here is a very interesting competition between three loops. In pairwise competitions, loop A (as yet unnamed) outcompetes loop B (the one-armed 6x6 (the first loop in my last post)), which outcompetes loop C (the dismal tide), yet loop C outcompetes loop A.

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x = 1051, y = 686, rule = 2armshapeloop2-a
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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Here is a spiral loop.

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x = 8, y = 6, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
GADA2DFD$.D5HA$.DH.2IHA$.DH.HBCD$.A3HC$.3DCD!
Here is a 12x10 symmetric one-armed loop.

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x = 7, y = 6, rule = 2armshapeloop-a
GADBCDC$.D2H2JB$.DHI2HA$.D2HADE$.D2HD$.CADA!
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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c0b0p0 wrote:Here is a spiral loop...
Here is a 12x10 symmetric one-armed loop...
It still takes an unpleasant amount of detective work to find where the rule is posted, for any given pattern. For whatever reason, the "2armshapeloop-a" rule was not installed in my current copy of Golly, and neither Google nor Tezcatlipoca's collection of rulesets seemed to be able to locate the right one. There's an extra "2" in the definition in that last link.

[Also, just by the way, http://patterns.boundstechconsulting.com/ unfortunately seems to be collecting a lot of spam all of a sudden.]

Seems as if the simplest solution would be to have every posting include a pointer to the message(s) where the relevant ruleset(s) are posted -- especially if it's been a few weeks or months since the last pattern was posted using that rule.

Looks like 2armshapeloop-a rule is the right link for these two patterns.

I really like the spiral pattern -- will have to think if this kind of interaction might allow a simpler design for a quadratic-growth Geminoid replicator in Conway's Life. The second pattern is interestingly chaotic, without getting too messy too quickly -- it seems somewhat resistant to mutation... by T=50,000 there are at least four distinct new species, though.
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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dvgrn wrote: It still takes an unpleasant amount of detective work to find where the rule is posted, for any given pattern.
It would have been better if 2armshapeloop was used instead. There's no difference between the two rule table other than how barrier states act. This is true for a lot of variant rules. I added in a link in the new thread to the post containing the 2armshapeloop rule.
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Re: Self-Replicator Competition?

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I have a competition entry:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = shapeloop3
E3A$D2HA$C2HA$D2H4A$BH.3HA$DH3.H4A$C3H2.3HA$BDCDH.3HA$3.C2HB3A$3.D2HD
$3.BCDC!
jarring cyan
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