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bubblegum wrote: February 20th, 2021, 9:13 pmI meant that dvgrn double-spaces after full stops, but phpBB reduces it to a single space.
dvgrn wrote: February 20th, 2021, 10:38 pmYeah, I do (and the revision GUYTU6J pointed to is a good example of me doing it).
I've been trying to break the habit lately, but it was drilled into me as the Absolute Only Right Thing To Do After A Full Stop at an impressionable age, when I was learning to type ... on an electric typewriter, in the mid-1980s, when my family was pretty near the only household in town that owned a personal computer.
That was an artifact of manual typography, e.g. where writers used monospaced typewriters, and a wider space was mandated after a full stop. However, these days, with proportional fonts, and layout being handled by computers, such details can (and should) be dealt with by the layout engine itself. Besides, with HTML, multiple spaces are condensed into a single space anyway (unless you're using <pre> tags).
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dvgrn wrote: February 20th, 2021, 10:38 pm I've been trying to break the habit lately, but it was drilled into me as the Absolute Only Right Thing To Do After A Full Stop at an impressionable age, when I was learning to type ... on an electric typewriter, in the mid-1980s, when my family was pretty near the only household in town that owned a personal computer.
It's fine. Don't worry about it. :P
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Hunting wrote: May 9th, 2020, 11:29 am Some c/7 partial:

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x = 15, y = 59, rule = B2n3/S23-q
5b2ob2o$2bo9bo$4bobobobo$2b4o3b4o$2ob3o3b3ob2o$4o7b4o$2bobo5bobo$5bo3b
o2$3b2ob3ob2o$5bobobo$6b3o$3b2o5b2o$2b3o5b3o$2b2o7b2o$bo5bo5bo$b2o2b5o
2b2o$2bo9bo$3bo7bo$3bo2bobo2bo2$3b2o5b2o$3b2o5b2o$4bo5bo$3b9o$3bo2bobo
2bo$4bobobobo$2bo3bobo3bo$2bo4bo4bo$3bobo3bobo4$5bo3bo$5bo3bo$6b3o$bo
11bo$bo5bo5bo$3bo2bobo2bo$b2obo5bob2o$obobobobobobobo$2bo2bo3bo2bo$obo
9bobo$bo11bo$2bo9bo$2bobo5bobo$bo11bo$bo11bo$bo2bo5bo2bo$4b2o3b2o$3bob
o3bobo$4bo2bo2bo$bo11bo$bobo3bo3bobo$3bobo3bobo$5bo3bo$3bo3bo3bo$b2ob
7ob2o$5bo3bo!
I have a loosely connected spaceship partial (in LeapLife but let's just ignore that part) so now what? Short wide search maybe?
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At what size do the diagonal wicks/canoes become some of the most common still lifes of that size instead of some of the rarest? At 15 bits, the ones with long diagonal lines tend to be the rarest. However, at 50 bits, there are about 10^16 still lifes, and the diagonal ones could be created by a wickstretcher that gets cut off. In addition, a 60-bit wickstretcher line will not be much rarer than a 50-bit wickstretcher line (maybe twice as rare), while most 60-bit still lifes are at least three orders of magnitude rarer than a typical 50-bit.
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All evens ≤128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122

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is this reaction in any way useful?

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x = 30, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
19b2o$18bo2bo$19b2o6b3o$23b2o$23b2o19$15b2o$14bo2bo6bo$15b2o7bo$19b2o
3bo$19b2o19$11b2o$10bo2bo$11b2o6b3o$15b2o$15b2o2$3o$bo$b3o!

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C28 wrote: February 22nd, 2021, 8:48 am is this reaction in any way useful?

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x = 30, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
19b2o$18bo2bo$19b2o6b3o$23b2o$23b2o19$15b2o$14bo2bo6bo$15b2o7bo$19b2o
3bo$19b2o19$11b2o$10bo2bo$11b2o6b3o$15b2o$15b2o2$3o$bo$b3o!

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What is the most volatile known P7? I was able to assemble this based off of a reaction that Scorbie pointed out:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
10bo9bo$10bo9bo$10bo9bo3$10b2o2bobo2b2o$10bobobobobobo$9bo2bobobobo2b
o$10b2obo3bob2o$7bo3bo7bo3bo$3o2b2obo13bob2o2b3o$5bo2b2o2bo5bo2b2o2bo
$6b2o3bobo3bobo3b2o$8bo3bo5bo3bo$5b3o15b3o2$5b3o15b3o$8bo3bo5bo3bo$6b
2o3bobo3bobo3b2o$5bo2b2o2bo5bo2b2o2bo$3o2b2obo13bob2o2b3o$7bo3bo7bo3b
o$10b2obo3bob2o$9bo2bobobobo2bo$10bobobobobobo$10b2o2bobo2b2o3$10bo9b
o$10bo9bo$10bo9bo!
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What are the ten unnatural xs15's that have yet to appear from soup?
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
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creeperman7002 wrote: February 25th, 2021, 12:12 pm What are the ten unnatural xs15's that have yet to appear from soup?

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x = 154, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo11b2o17b2o8bobo12b2o15b2o21bo12b2o16b2obo17b2o$2b3o11bo9b2o6bobo8b
2obo11bo16bo21bobo11bo4b2o10bo2b2o18bo$bo15bo9bo5bo14bo12bo16bo19bo2bo
13bobobo9bobo20bo$2bo12bobo9bob2obo15b3o11bo16bo17bo3bob2o9b3o11bobo
20bo$3bo10bobo11bob2o19bo11bo14b2o14bobo5bobo8bo14bo21bo$bobo9bobo34bo
13bo15b2o12b2o18bo14bo19bo$obo10bo35bo13b2o15bobo30b2o15bo17bo$o13bo
33bo16b2o16bobo43b2o16bo$bo13bo32b2o15bo2bo15b2o60bo$2o12b2o51b2o76bo$
144bo$143bo$143b2o!
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creeperman7002 wrote: February 25th, 2021, 12:12 pm What are the ten unnatural xs15's that have yet to appear from soup?
Well, bubblegum got an answer in first, but I'll send this anyway since it has a bit more detail.

The apgcodes for all the N-bitters up to N=30 can be found in Apple Bottom's GitHub repo. There are 1353 15-bitters.

Of these, the following 10 don't have soups:

xs15_04ai3zmp21
xs15_0g8jdz3kp
xs15_2eg8og84213
xs15_321e88gzxca1
xs15_358gzx23c4go
xs15_3lozx31248c
xs15_g0g8421eg8oz11
xs15_j9c8426z23
xs15_o4a5123z056
xs15_y3g853zwg8421z65

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x = 72, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
40bo$38b3o$37bo$38bo$39bo$37bobo$36bobo$36bo$37bo$36b2o$26b2o$26bo$27b
o22b2o$25bobo13b2o6bobo$24bobo15bo5bo$23bobo16bob2obo$23bo19bob2o$24bo
$25bo$24b2o$32b2o18b2o$12bobo17bo19bo$12b2obo17bo19bo$15bo18bo19bo$15b
3o17bo17b2o$18bo17bo18b2o$17bo17b2o18bobo$16bo20b2o19bobo$15bo21bo2bo
18b2o$15b2o22b2o$70b2o$23b2o22b2obo20bo$6bo16bo4b2o16bo2b2o19bo$5bobo
17bobobo15bobo21bo$4bo2bo16b3o17bobo21bo$3bo3bob2o12bo20bo22bo$obo5bob
o13bo20bo20bo$2o21b2o21bo18bo$45b2o17bo$63bo$62bo$61bo$61b2o!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 10 ]]
Just for the record, here's the one-off script I wrote to find these. It could be adjusted, using Apple Bottom's lists of apgcodes, to produce similar no-soups-yet lists for other bit counts. It takes a while to run, though, even for 15 bits, and maybe it shouldn't be run all the time by lots of people since that could add up to quite a lot of Catagolue access (and of course this list doesn't change very often!).

-- Okay, all you Catagoluexperts out there: is there a much simpler way to get these no-soups-yet still lifes, like a textcensus page on Catagolue that I couldn't find?

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# make-list-of-soupless-xsNs.py
import golly as g
import urllib.request

data = """xs15_01784oz35421
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datalist = data.split("\n")

s = ""
count = 0
found = 0
for item in datalist:
    count+=1
    url = "https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/"+item+"/b3s23"
    response = urllib.request.urlopen(url)
    html = response.read().decode()
    if html.find('no sample soups')>-1:
        s += url + "\n"
        found += 1
    g.show(str([count, found]))
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How can I turn a glider into a Herschel at P144? There might be some mechanism with colliding it into an Achim's P144 or something but I can't find anything that would shrink a P1008 gun.
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are there any requirements for making a topic?
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dvgrn wrote: February 25th, 2021, 1:39 pmOf these, the following 10 don't have soups:
Looking at most of those, it's not surprising that they are the ten remaining still lives. (The only things that came as even mild surprises were the fact that the list includes xs15_3lozx31248c but not xs15_xg8o64213z321 and the fact that the list includes xs15_358gzx23c4go but not xs15_wog84213zdb.) There are several components already discussed to be rare, such as long lines of diagonal cells and hook-like/snake-like motifs, found in multiple unnatural still lives. Here are those ten still lives organized by exactly what makes them rare:

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x = 57, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$10bo6b2o$9bo7bo$8bo9bo$7bo11bo$6bo11b2o9b2o$5bo14b2o7bo12b2o$4bo
15bobo7bo11bo4b2o$3bo19bobo5bo12bobobo$2bo21b2o6bo10b3o$bo31bo8bo$o31b
2o9bo$2o32b2o6b2o$34bo2bo$36b2o15b2obo$10bo41bo2b2o$9bobo31bo7bobo$8b
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o12bo9bo2b2o$29b3o8bobo8b2o2bo$32bo6bobo14bo$22b2o7bo7bo14bobo$13b2o6b
obo6bo9bo12bobo$14bo5bo8bo9b2o11bobo$14bob2obo9b2o21bo$15bob2o34bo$54b
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C28 wrote: February 25th, 2021, 4:29 pm are there any requirements for making a topic?
Not really, but generally you should only do so if it meets some threshold of "usefulness". Check existing topics in that forum to see if yours meets it or not (I can help if you're still having trouble). Otherwise, there's probably another thread you can post it in.
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wwei47 wrote: February 25th, 2021, 4:12 pm How can I turn a glider into a Herschel at P144? There might be some mechanism with colliding it into an Achim's P144 or something but I can't find anything that would shrink a P1008 gun.
The gunstar uses this p72 G-to-H that needs to be followed by dependent conduits:

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x = 28, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
25bo$23b2o$24b2o2$2b2o$o2bo2$o2bo$bo2bo17bo$2bobo17bo$3bo18b3ob2o$8b2o
14bob2o$2b2o4b2o$2b2o8b2o$11b3o$11bo2bo$12b2o3$24b2o$25bo$22b3o$22bo2$
2b2o$2bo2bo2b2o$8b2o$2bo2bo$bo2bo$bobo$2bo2$2b2o$2b2o!
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GUYTU6J wrote: February 25th, 2021, 8:38 pm The gunstar uses this p72 G-to-H that needs to be followed by dependent conduits:
Thanks! Is there an option that doesn't launch the Herschel 49 cells away from the input? This didn't reduce it :(

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x = 104, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
24.2B13.2B$23.2A3B.2B3.2B.3B2A$23.2A6B3.6B2A$23.9B.9B$25.7B.7B$25.15B
$25.15B$25.15B$24.2BA14B$24.BABA13B$23.2BABA14B$24.2BA4BABA7B$26.3B2A
8B$27.BAB2AB3A2B$26.2BA5B3A2B$26.2B3A5BA2B$27.2B3AB2ABAB$26.8B2A3B$24.
7BABA4BA2B$23.14BABA2B$24.13BABAB$24.14BA2B4.B5.B$25.16B3.3B3.3B$25.16B
.4BA3.A4B$25.20BA.A.A.A4B$25.7B.13B2A.2A5B$23.25B.7B$23.2A23B.7B$23.2A
3B.13B5AB.B5AB$24.2B3.13BAB4A.4ABAB$28.14B2ABABA.ABAB2AB$27.4B2.10BAB
A.A.A.ABA2B$26.4B7.3B2.2B3A3.3A2B$25.4B8.5B2.BAB3.BAB$24.4B8.6B3.B5.B
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A.AB9.2A.2A2.A$2.2A16.4B5.3B3.11B5.A19.2AB.3B6.B4.A.A7.A$2B2AB14.4B4.
6B2.13B3.2A20.7B3.2AB4A.A7.3A$4B14.7B2.7B.13B4.B20.9B.2A.A3.A11.A$2BA
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A3.A2BABA2BA3BA3DB2A21B.BAB2A6B3.2B2.16B2.2B3A3BA.A2B2.A$2.4B2.A7BA3B
2A2BDB2A23BA2BA16BD12B2.2A2.3B5.2A.2A$.BA2BA2B2A6BA34B2AB2AB3A11BDBD4B
.9B2A3BA5.A$2.2A2.11BAB4.29BA2B2A2BA11B3D4B.4B2.3B2A3BA5.A$6.13B6.B2.
25BA5BA13BD8B4.2A2.3B5.2A.2A$7.11B9.27BA2B2A22B5.2B3A3BA.A2B2.A$7.10B
9.24B2.3B2A8B.4B6.4B6.A4.A2BA.AB3A2.A$8.3B3A3B9.24B2.7B.B5.3B6.4B8.3A
2.A.A.AB2.A.2A$9.4BA3B7.4B.20B15.4B6.4B10.A4.A3.3A2.A$9.BA4BAB7.2A3.18B
17.2A7.4B9.A3.A11.A$8.BA4BA2B8.A4.18B.B15.A6.4B10.4A.A7.3A$7.2BA5BAB5.
3A6.18B2A11.3A6.4B15.A8.A$7.2B2AB6A4.A8.18B2A11.A7.4B14.A$6.8BA2BAB12.
3B3.13B19.4B15.2A$2.2A2.7B2AB2AB13.B2.3B.11B18.4B$.B2A14B17.2A2.9B19.
4B$2.4B2.6B.2B19.A3.7B19.4B$2.BA2B5.3B19.3A5.4B20.4B$.BABA7.B20.A8.5B
17.4B$.A2BA40.2A16.4B$A2BA41.A16.CBCB$4B42.3A13.2CB$A2BAB43.A14.C$2.2A
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wwei47 wrote: February 25th, 2021, 9:25 pmThanks! Is there an option that doesn't launch the Herschel 49 cells away from the input? This didn't reduce it :(
Don't know if this will help, but it was what came to mind: how about building a B-heptomino, then cleaning up its block? Here's a first proof-of-concept, about the same size as the last idea but there are a lot of variations along these lines:

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x = 85, y = 76, rule = B3/S23
33b2o6b2o$31b3o2bo2bo2b3o$30bo4b2o2b2o4bo$30bo2b2o6b2o2bo$29b2obobob4o
bobob2o$32bobobo2bobobo12b2o$32bob2o4b2obo11bo2bo$33b2o6b2o11b2o$53b3o
5bo$33b2o6b2o10bo2bo3bobo$32bob2o4b2obo10b3o3b2o$33b10o$29b2o5b4o5bo8b
3o3b2o$28bo2bo4bo2bo4bobo6bo2bo3bobo$29b2o2bobob2obobo2bo2bo4b3o5bo$
30bob2obo4bob2obob2o5b2o$28bobo2bob2o2b2obo2bo9bo2bo$26b3ob2o2bobo2bob
o2b2o10b2o$25bo57b2o$26b3ob2o51b2o$28bob2o$63b2o$62bob2o$62bo3bo7b3o$
63b5o6b2ob2o$64bob3o8b2o$37bobo27b2o8b2o$36bo2bo$35b2o3bo22b2o8b2o$40b
o22b2o8b3obo$63b2ob2o6b5o$28b2o5b3o2bo24b3o7bo3bo$29bo9b2o35b2obo$26b
3o7b3o38b2o$26bo9b3o$57b2o24b2o$57b2o24b2o5$9b2o4b2o$3bob2obobo4bobob
2obo15b2o8b2o$3b2obobo8bobob2o15b2o8bobo$7b2o8b2o31bo$50b2o3$7bo11b2o
8bo$5b5o8bobo8b2o35bo$5b2o2b2o7bobo7bobo3b2o31bo$6b2o2bo10bo12b2o29b3o
$7bo2bo7b2ob2o$7b3o8b5o12bo$34bobo$29b2o2bo2bo$29b2obo$2b2o29b2o$3bo$
3o$o18bo7b2o$12bobo4bo7b3o$8bo3b3o7bo4bobo$7b2o4b2o7bo$8bo$4b2obo21bo
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dvgrn wrote: February 25th, 2021, 10:52 pm Don't know if this will help, but it was what came to mind: how about building a B-heptomino, then cleaning up its block? Here's a first proof-of-concept, about the same size as the last idea but there are a lot of variations along these lines:
Wow! That gun might be big, but it's one of the simplest ones I've ever seen! There are only three parts! The P144 gun, the P72 gun, and the P7 Kazyanic filter! All my previous attempts have always had at least four parts! The P144 gun, a G->B, BFxH59, THEN the filter, or the P144 gun, a syringe, Fx77 or other conduit, THEN the filter! This is brilliant!
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wwei47 wrote: February 26th, 2021, 8:31 am
dvgrn wrote: February 25th, 2021, 10:52 pm Don't know if this will help, but it was what came to mind: how about building a B-heptomino, then cleaning up its block? Here's a first proof-of-concept, about the same size as the last idea but there are a lot of variations along these lines:
Wow! That gun might be big, but it's one of the simplest ones I've ever seen! There are only three parts!
That was the only one of the three unassisted 2-glider B-heptomino recipes that allowed a direct connection to the Kazyanic filter -- the others all needed a glider to pass through the block-suppressing eater. It's possible that it might work to double the period and knock out the block with an extra glider in the same stream, instead, using one of the other two recipes -- I didn't check that.

There are also quite a large number of known ways to use catalysts with other two-glider collisions, to produce a B-heptomino or a Herschel. Here's the most interesting one I can remember and dig up offhand:

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x = 31, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
23.4B$22.4B$4.2A15.4B$5.A14.4B$4.A14.4B$4.2A12.A3B$5.B11.BABA$5.3B8.
2B2A$4.6B5.4B7.5B$B2.10B.4B6.7B$19B2.10B$7B2A15BD6B$7B2A15BDBD4B$24B
3D4B$26BD4B$30B$4.14B.4B$3.9B.B4.4B$2.4B11.4B$.A3B11.B2AB$B2AB11.3BA$
ABA11.B3A$13.2BAB!
It can insert a signal into a standard BFxH59 conduit. But here again, some solution would have to be worked out for the block-suppressing eater in the Kazyanic filter.
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dvgrn wrote: February 26th, 2021, 9:01 am It can insert a signal into a standard BFxH59 conduit. But here again, some solution would have to be worked out for the block-suppressing eater in the Kazyanic filter.
What about Jormungant's 2G->H? Or a Callahan G->H with another gun to shoot down the extra beehive?
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wwei47 wrote: February 26th, 2021, 9:35 am
dvgrn wrote: February 26th, 2021, 9:01 am It can insert a signal into a standard BFxH59 conduit. But here again, some solution would have to be worked out for the block-suppressing eater in the Kazyanic filter.
What about Jormungant's 2G->H? Or a Callahan G->H with another gun to shoot down the extra beehive?
Yup, those are good examples. There are piles of known 2G-to-Herschel conduits, with different characteristics (like, some allow a single glider to pass through or be absorbed harmlessly if the other glider isn't present, and some of them don't.)

However, most of the 2G->H mechanisms are from the bad old days before syringes, so they're unlikely to be very compact! E.g.,

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x = 78, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
B22.4B$2B20.4B$3B18.4B$4B6.2A8.4B$.3BA4.B2AB6.4B$2.3BA3.3B6.4B23.2A$
3.3AB3.B.B4.BA2B25.A$4.10B2.2A2B25.A$5.12B2A26.2A$6.12B18.2A8.B$7.12B
17.A.A7.3B19.4B4.A$8.12B17.AB6.6B16.5B3.A.A$7.3B2A9B15.2B3.B2.10B11.
7B3.A.A$3.B2.3BA2BA10B10.B2.19B3.2B2.10B4.A$.9B2A12B8.16B2A15BA6B$17B
2A6B6.17B2A15BABA4B$.16B2A8B4.34B3A4B$29B2.36BA4B$71B$2.34B.4B5.13B.
4B$2.39B5.7B.B5.3B$3.B.B2.31B19.4B$4.3B2.28B21.2A$3.B2AB2.27B23.A$4.
2A4.24B22.3A$8.2AB.B.17B25.A$7.A.AB2.6B.9B$7.A6.2B5.6B$6.2A11.8B$19.
2A5B$19.2A3B!
(and a dozen or so variants of that).

Here's some research by Dean Hickerson from almost a quarter century ago -- 11 November 1996. Maybe a few of these are worth checking to see if they fit (I haven't looked).
From: Dean Hickerson
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:19:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 2g -> Herschel catalyses


...

I've been looking at ways to inject the Herschels. It's easily done
using 3 gliders: the first 2 collide to form a B-heptomino and the
third deletes the first block. Also, Paul's stable glider reflectors
do it with just 1 glider, but the reactions are slow because of the need
to delete the beehive.

So I've been trying to use 2 gliders. Buckingham found one such reaction;
it's the beginning of his 2g->3g catalysis that's been used to build guns
from glider reflectors. (See the p460 in the stamp collection.) In this
reaction, 2 antiparallel gliders hit a block, producing an R-pentomino
relative which is catalyzed by a snake to rebuild the block and produce
a Herschel headed east in gen 59:

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This can only be fed into a Herschel-track if the first element is either
the 64-gen turn or the 119-gen glide reflection. Unfortunately both of
those require the spacing between successive Herschels to be fairly large.

In looking for other 2g->Herschel catalyses, the obvious place to
start is with the 3 2-glider collisions that produce B-heptominos.
But deleting the first block is difficult. For the 2 antiparallel
collisions I can't see how to do it. For the perpendicular collision
it can be done using a unix or a blocker; for the latter the first
output glider must also be deleted:

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I haven't found a way to delete the block using only stable stuff. But
I have found catalyses of 2 other 2-glider collisions that produce
Herschels:

In one, based on an 8+ collision, a B is produced in gen 78; it then
interacts with a block and a snake as described by Buckingham to
produce a Herschel headed east in gen 137. (Unfortunately his
B->Herschel reaction won't work with any of the 2g->B collisions.)
There are 2 versions of this, depending on which of the 2 eaters on the
left is used; if the bottom one is used then an extra glider is sent
northwest.

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In the other catalysis, based on a 4- collision, an R-pentomino is
produced in gen 50, which undergoes one of Buckingham's R->Herschel
catalyses; the resulting Herschel is headed north in gen 137:

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... Shows how far we've come in a quarter century -- now we do have a few ways to "delete the [B-heptomino's] block with only stable stuff".
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I got a reduction! 4560 cells:

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x = 60, y = 76, rule = LifeHistory
38.2A$38.A$35.BA.A12.B.2B$21.2A7.3B2.B2A7.2A2B.3B2A$22.A4.3B3A4B7.B3A
B3A.AB$21.A4.2BA4BA2B8.A.BA.2A.BA$21.2A3.2BA4BA2B6.AB.2A.AB.A$6.2A6.2A
7.A3BA2B2A5B4.BA.3AB3AB$4.3A2.A2.A2.3A3.3A13B4.2A3B.2B2A$3.A4.2A2.2A4.
A.A2.13B5.2B.B$3.A2.2A6.2A2.A.2A3.10B6.2B$2.2A.A.A.4A.A.A.A7.9B5.2B4.
2A2.B$5.A.ABA2.ABA.A.A8.8B4.4B2.B4ABAB$5.AB2A4.2ABA.A.2A5.8B4.2B2A3BA
.A2B3A$6.2AB4.B2A2.A.A5.9B3.3ABAB6.B.B$18.A2.A3.5B2A3B3.5B2A4.B2A$6.2A
B4.B2A3.2A2.6BA2BA3B.AB2A2B2AB4.AB$5.A.2A.2B.2A.A4.3A6B2A5BA3BAB3A$6.
10A3.2A2.A6BA6BA3BAB3AB$3.A3.2B4A2B3.A2.2A3.2A6BA3BA2B2AB2A$2.A.A3.BA
2BAB3.A.A.A4.2A6BA2BABA3B2A$A2.A2.A.A.2A.A.A2.A.A2.A3.7BAB3A3BABA$2A.
A.2A.A.2B.A.2A.A.A.2A6.3B.2B2AB2A2BA2B$3.A2.A.2A2B2A.A2.A.A12.3B3ABA3B
A$3.2A2.ABA2BABA2.2A.4A8.4B3ABA3BAB$10.2B6.B4.A7.4B.B2A2B2ABA$11.B4.B
2AB3A7.4B3.2A5B$11.4B.B2A.A8.4B5.BAB3A$10.7B11.4B6.B2A2B3.2A$9.7B.B9.
4B3.2A2.8B2AB$8.10B8.4B3.B2A2B2.3B.4B$7.12B6.4B5.2A2B6.3B$6.4B2.7B5.4B
7.A2B6.B3A3.B$5.15B3.4B3.B3.ABAB7.2A.A.B2A$4.16B2.4B3.3A.A.AB10.2A2B2A
$3.4B.12B.4B4.4ABA12.2A3B$2.4B2.9B2DBA3B6.3BAB13.4B$.BC2B3.B3D4B.2DBA
BA7.4B$2C2B4.2BD4B3.2B2AB$.2C5.2B3D2B2.7B$8.6B2.9B6.2AB6.B8.B6.B2A$7.
7B.4B3.4B4.B2AB4.4B6.4B4.B2AB$6.12B5.4B3.12B6.B2A9B$5.12B7.4B3.12B.2B
.BA2BA7B$5.11B9.4B2.13BAB2AB2A8B$3.2AB2.2BD4B11.4B2.12BA2BA10B$2.A.AB
.2B3D2B8.2B3.20BA11B$2.A4.B2D2BD4.2B.3B2A3.31B$.2A4.6B4.6B2A4.13BA4BA
9B$8.5B3.9B5.4B.7BA4BA7B$8.6B2.7B8.11BA4BA9B$8.15B9.27B$8.15B9.10BA16B
$8.15B9.10BA2BA12B$7.2BA14B8.7B2AB2ABA13B$7.BABA13B9.5BA2BAB.2B.12B$6.
2BABA14B8.6B2AB6.12B$7.2BA14B9.3B2.4B6.4B4.B2AB$9.3BAB2A6B6.A2BA4B4.B
8.B6.B2A$10.2AB2AB2A3B6.A4BA4B$9.B2A2BAB4A2B5.A5BA3B$9.2B4ABA2B2AB4.4B
2AB2A3B$10.3B2AB2AB2A4.2BA7BA3B$9.6B2ABA3B4.BA.AB3AB.AB$7.14BA2B4.2AB
AB3A$6.14BABA2B$7.13BABAB4.2ABAB3A$7.14BA2B2.BA.AB3AB.AB$8.15B2.2BA7B
A3B$8.15B3.4B2AB2A3B$8.15B4.A5BA3B$8.7B.7B4.A4BA4B$6.9B.9B3.A2BA4B$6.
2A6B3.6B2A$6.2A3B.2B3.2B.3B2A$7.2B13.2B!
EDIT: This is a pure gun. For each part of the gun that can be adjusted on its own, there is at least one reason why it cannot be moved any closer caused by at each component. The P72 gun cannot be brought closer in, because trying to do so would make it impossible to weld to the hebdarole in the Kazyanic filter, but also because the unix would interact with the block in the P144 gun. The P144 gun cannot be brought closer in because the block would interact with the unix in the P144 gun, but also because the Rich's P16 would bonk the temporary beehives in the Achim's P144!

The closest spacings possible all work together in the same pattern!!!!!!
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wwei47 wrote: February 26th, 2021, 12:11 pm I got a reduction! 4560 cells...
The closest spacings possible all work together in the same pattern!!!!!!
Nice work! 88-cell reduction. It's not easy to come up with a reduction to anything in the p14-p1024 gun collection these days, and very often it's just a few cells saved by making a pattern more rectangular and less square, or something like that.

It's good to see that Kazyan hasn't forgotten how to invent new technology to wreak havoc among gun-collection bounding boxes...
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dvgrn wrote: February 26th, 2021, 2:08 pm Nice work! 88-cell reduction. It's not easy to come up with a reduction to anything in the p14-p1024 gun collection these days, and very often it's just a few cells saved by making a pattern more rectangular and less square, or something like that.
Good thing Kazyan remembered the hebdarole-if it weren't for Kazyan, I would have ended up using a 1320P7. :P By the way, how many cells is "a few cells"?
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