Let's create a good language!

[fluffykitty]

I'm saying that in the current language, "to sleep" and "to at-sleep" only differ by a promotion affix and have the same meaning except that "to at-sleep" uses its direct object as a location. This video and the next have some information about how to evolve a language. I'd like to make this language more complete before evolving it though.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I'm saying that in the current language, "to sleep" and "to at-sleep" only differ by a promotion affix and have the same meaning except that "to at-sleep" uses its direct object as a location. This video and the next have some information about how to evolve a language. I'd like to make this language more complete before evolving it though.

Well of course we shouldn't evolve it yet. How should we make relative clauses?

[fluffykitty]

Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

[Hunting]

what is case mark?

[fluffykitty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

How does that work? Also, should there be a difference between <that>, <who>, <where>, and <when> in relative clauses? If yes, should we reuse the question words like in English and French or find another way?

[fluffykitty]

Latin uses an inflecting relative pronoun (like English "to/of/etc which", but with cases). Maybe we could do that?

How does that work? Also, should there be a difference between <that>, <who>, <where>, and <when> in relative clauses? If yes, should we reuse the question words like in English and French or find another way?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

[Hunting]

How to say or subsitute "is"?

[fluffykitty]

<saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

[Schiaparelliorbust]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

Will <that> be a word or a suffix? I prefer word. I don't think the question who and relative clause who should be the same word.

<saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

Can you break <saihanein> apart? I don't know of any word that means inanimate. What happened to the t a the end of <saitai>?

[Hunting]

<saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

So we have animate and inanimate form of every word?

[fluffykitty]

Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

We don't have it for nouns, right? Also, please answer my question.

[fluffykitty]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qui#Pronoun_8, so "homō cui dedī" <the person I gave to> (probably). I think "where" and "when" should use the locative case of "that", with "who" staying separate, and that we should use different words for questions and relative pronouns.

Will <that> be a word or a suffix? I prefer word.

Probably a word.

I don't think the question who and relative clause who should be the same word.

Yep.

<saitai> "to be", example inflected form <saihanein> "is (inanimate)"

Can you break <saihanein> apart? I don't know of any word that means inanimate. What happened to the t a the end of <saitai>?

Yes, there should be a /t/ there. <sait-han-ein> "be-PRES-3INAN"

Not every word, but probably quite a few (third person verbs, question words, and relative pronouns so far)

We don't have it for nouns, right?

Nouns are not inflected for animate/inanimate.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Could you please repost some suffixes? I'm going to add them to my user page.

[fluffykitty]

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Person suffixes	
First person		-et
Second person		-o
Third person animate	-ei
Third person inanimate	-ein

Infinitive			(m)ay
Simple present			han
Continuous present		(X/l)eihc
Simple future			(S/l)uh
Continuous future		(H/h)em

Fricative/stop	Singular	Plural	Nasal/approx	Singular	Plural	Monophthong	Singular	Plural
Nominative	-e		-oi	Nominative			-e	Nominative			-(l)u
Accusative				Accusative	-Sa		-e	Accusative	-s		-n
Genitive	-Ha		-Si	Genitive	-Ho		-oi	Genitive	-ne		-noi
Dative		-Fu		-Foi	Dative		-Xu		-Xoi	Dative		-l		-(m)it
Instrumental	-Ho		-Si	Instrumental	-Ho		-oi	Instrumental	-ni		-ne
Locative	-Ha		-Foi	Locative	-Ho		-Xoi	Locative	-ne		-(m)it

and passive <-(s)o->

[Schiaparelliorbust]

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Person suffixes	
First person		-et
Second person		-o
Third person animate	-ei
Third person inanimate	-ein

Infinitive			(m)ay
Simple present			han
Continuous present		(X/l)eihc
Simple future			(S/l)uh
Continuous future		(H/h)em

Fricative/stop	Singular	Plural	Nasal/approx	Singular	Plural	Monophthong	Singular	Plural
Nominative	-e		-oi	Nominative			-e	Nominative			-(l)u
Accusative				Accusative	-Sa		-e	Accusative	-s		-n
Genitive	-Ha		-Si	Genitive	-Ho		-oi	Genitive	-ne		-noi
Dative		-Fu		-Foi	Dative		-Xu		-Xoi	Dative		-l		-(m)it
Instrumental	-Ho		-Si	Instrumental	-Ho		-oi	Instrumental	-ni		-ne
Locative	-Ha		-Foi	Locative	-Ho		-Xoi	Locative	-ne		-(m)it

and passive <-(s)o->

I can't put these in a table unfortunately because the syntax to make tables and suffixes both use dashes.
Edit: There is a part on how to put negative numbers, so the problem should probably be solved.

[fluffykitty]

Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

[fluffykitty]

Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

I suppose we could do that. (Also, that was your 1111th post.)

[Hunting]

Okay. We should make more words, like <nwail> "cat" and <pli> "person". Also, do adjectives precede or follow nouns?

We could have it change meaning like in French <homme pauvre> <poor man (monetarily)> while <pauvre homme> <poor man (normal meaning)>. Usually when it comes after it has a more literal meaning.

Your 1111st post.

We could also have it in the middle.

[fluffykitty]

In the middle of what?

[Schiaparelliorbust]

We could also have it in the middle.

In the middle of what?

I was wondering that too.

(Also, that was your 1111th post.)

Your 1111st post.

Nice.

[fluffykitty]

Do you have any proposals for expanding the lexicon? Some obvious choices are animals and body parts (from which we can derive sense verbs using the instrumental+verb endings).

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Do you have any proposals for expanding the lexicon? Some obvious choices are animals and body parts (from which we can derive sense verbs using the instrumental+verb endings).

I was thinking body parts too. Not all body parts have an obvious/primary function like fingers, arms, mouth etc, so we shouldn't have every single body part be a "tool" for a verb. Calling a mouth "eater" would shadow that it is also used for speaking or other body parts also help with eating, so it might be kind of ambiguous.