Let's create a good language!

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I don't know how exactly, you can ask others. I think we should change vowels/add consonants.

Okay. Also, /r/, /g/, /v/, and /b/ are not in the phonology, and /ai/ is spelled <ai>, not <aj> or <ay>. Please either revise your words or formally alter the phonology/orthography to accommodate them.

Ok sorry. I forgot. Can we formally add /v/? Isn't <j> /j/? /aj/ and /ai/ also sound different. Infinitive is now -(m)aj.

[Hunting]

Okay. Let's make more then. <zyfk> "to say", <slauc> "to speak", <mask> "word". Do you want to make the auxiliaries and tense endings or should I?

Not again, we are not yet at that stage. What tenses do we have?

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Okay. Let's make more then. <zyfk> "to say", <slauc> "to speak", <mask> "word". Do you want to make the auxiliaries and tense endings or should I?

Not again, we are not yet at that stage. What tenses do we have?

I think we can make grammar and words at the same time. We do after all need words to use grammar.

Okay. Also, /r/, /g/, /v/, and /b/ are not in the phonology, and /ai/ is spelled <ai>, not <aj> or <ay>. Please either revise your words or formally alter the phonology/orthography to accommodate them.

Why was it that we didn't have those sounds?

[Hunting]

Okay. Let's make more then. <zyfk> "to say", <slauc> "to speak", <mask> "word". Do you want to make the auxiliaries and tense endings or should I?

Not again, we are not yet at that stage. What tenses do we have?

I think we can make grammar and words at the same time. We do after all need words to use grammar.

I think we are not BokaBB.

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I think we are not BokaBB.

Please don't do this. We are perfectly fine right now. We could use your help and ideas. Also, please make sure any posts you make contribute something.

[fluffykitty]

Ok sorry. I forgot. Can we formally add /v/?

Maybe, but how would that interact with sandhi?

Isn't <j> /j/? /aj/ and /ai/ also sound different.

Aren't vowels in hiatus illegal except as part of a diphthong? I think that was one of those things we kinda agreed upon but didn't formally include anywhere.

Okay. Let's make more then. <zyfk> "to say", <slauc> "to speak", <mask> "word". Do you want to make the auxiliaries and tense endings or should I?

Not again, we are not yet at that stage. What tenses do we have?

I think we can make grammar and words at the same time. We do after all need words to use grammar.

Yep.

Okay. Also, /r/, /g/, /v/, and /b/ are not in the phonology, and /ai/ is spelled <ai>, not <aj> or <ay>. Please either revise your words or formally alter the phonology/orthography to accommodate them.

Why was it that we didn't have those sounds?

/r/ because choosing rhotics is awkward and the others because if we have one voiced sound we pretty much need to have them all because sandhi and writing some of them is awkward.

I think we are not BokaBB.

Please don't do this. We are perfectly fine right now. We could use your help and ideas. Also, please make sure any posts you make contribute something.

Agreed. Plus, we already did some grammar discussion before making words and affixes.

I think the things we should do next are make Schiaparellio's words and affixes compatible with the phonology/orthography (one way or another), add stuff to the page, and make more words and grammar and stuff.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Maybe, but how would that interact with sandhi?

/r/ because choosing rhotics is awkward and the others because if we have one voiced sound we pretty much need to have them all because sandhi and writing some of them is awkward.

Why was it a problem with sandhi?

Aren't vowels in hiatus illegal except as part of a diphthong? I think that was one of those things we kinda agreed upon but didn't formally include anywhere.

What do you mean by "in hiatus"?

I think the things we should do next are make Schiaparellio's words and affixes compatible with the phonology/orthography (one way or another), add stuff to the page, and make more words and grammar and stuff.

What should I add now?

[fluffykitty]

Why was it a problem with sandhi?

Because if we have /v/, an affix could change it to a stop, making /b/. Repeating that can get you too many consonants to write cleanly with the Latin alphabet.

What do you mean by "in hiatus"?

Adjacent with no intervening consonant(s).

What should I add now?

To the page, all the words and stuff we've posted so far. Anything on the page should have already been posted on the thread, so if you want to change anything before adding it, describe your changes in a post here. To the language, more words and maybe some derivational affixes, preferably not violating the existing phonology/phonotactics/orthography.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Because if we have /v/, an affix could change it to a stop, making /b/. Repeating that can get you too many consonants to write cleanly with the Latin alphabet.

So if I understand you correctly, /k/ becomes /x/, which we both already have, but /g/ would need to become /ɣ/. Same problem with /t/ and /d/, except reversed.

Adjacent with no intervening consonant(s).

Could you give an example? As I said before, /j/ isn't a vowel.

[fluffykitty]

So if I understand you correctly, /k/ becomes /x/, which we both already have, but /g/ would need to become /ɣ/. Same problem with /t/ and /d/, except reversed.

Yep

Adjacent with no intervening consonant(s).

Could you give an example? As I said before, /j/ isn't a vowel.

/ai/

[Schiaparelliorbust]

So if I understand you correctly, /k/ becomes /x/, which we both already have, but /g/ would need to become /ɣ/. Same problem with /t/ and /d/, except reversed.

Yep

Can't we have sandhi for only certain consonants?

Could you give an example? As I said before, /j/ isn't a vowel.

/ai/

But my words didn't use that. They used /aj/. Sorry if I can't understand something simple.

[fluffykitty]

Can't we have sandhi for only certain consonants?

Maybe. I don't really like that idea though.

But my words didn't use that. They used /aj/.

That's true.

Sorry if I can't understand something simple.

It's fine.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Can't we have sandhi for only certain consonants?

Maybe. I don't really like that idea though.

Let's ask others their ideas on that.

But my words didn't use that. They used /aj/.

That's true.

Sorry if I can't understand something simple.

It's fine.

Ok so how are my words illegitimate?

[fluffykitty]

Let's ask others their ideas on that.

Okay.

Ok so how are my words illegitimate?

/rgbv/ are not phonemes. (At least, not yet anyway.)

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Ok so how are my words illegitimate?

/rgbv/ are not phonemes. (At least, not yet anyway.)

How are they illegitimate /aj/wise?

[fluffykitty]

I think they're fine in that regard. However, if we're changing our orthography to write /aj/ as <aj> and not <ai>, then the page should be updated.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I think they're fine in that regard. However, if we're changing our orthography to write /aj/ as <aj> and not <ai>, then the page should be updated.

I didn't know that /aj/ was written as <ai>. Thanks for clarifying. I'll revise my words and can you please make the verb endings?

[fluffykitty]

I think they're fine in that regard. However, if we're changing our orthography to write /aj/ as <aj> and not <ai>, then the page should be updated.

I didn't know that /aj/ was written as <ai>. Thanks for clarifying.

Okay. There are still problems with /rbgv/ though.

I'll revise my words and can you please make the verb endings?

I already did that.

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Infinitive		(m)ai
Simple present		han
Continuous present	(X/l)eihc
Simple future		(S/l)uh
Continuous future	(H/h)em

[Schiaparelliorbust]

-(m)ay was infinitive, but irregular verbs are fine. We just need to conjugate them. Are all the verbs you gave irregular? If not, in the future please
make them infinitive. The verbs I'm giving now are regular but if you want to we can change that.
to come - jaray
to want - vablomay
to have -feray
I think the articles are too varying to remember. I propose changing a letter or two, like in German.

Infinitive: -(m)ai
to come - janai
to want - fablomai
to have - fezai

[fluffykitty]

<fablomay> still contains a /b/. Anyway, with that change, we can now say stuff like <Ngwes fezhanlet> "I have food". I just noticed that /ezha/ is tricky to pronounce. Also, we should remove the initial consonants of the person suffixes.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

<fablomay> still contains a /b/. Anyway, with that change, we can now say stuff like <Ngwes fezhanlet> "I have food". I just noticed that /ezha/ is tricky to pronounce. Also, we should remove the initial consonants of the person suffixes.

Sorry.
fablomai -> faplomai
I think <zh> should be banned. I will now update the page.

[fluffykitty]

Maybe we could make all clusters of sounds in /sʃç/ assimilate to the earliest sound. Also, maybe we should make some derivational affixes so we don't have to make as many words.

[Hunting]

So <j> is /j/ and <i> is /i/ but <ai> is /aj/?

I think they're fine in that regard. However, if we're changing our orthography to write /aj/ as <aj> and not <ai>, then the page should be updated.

I didn't know that /aj/ was written as <ai>. Thanks for clarifying. I'll revise my words and can you please make the verb endings?

But why? Aren't they written their IPA character?

Suggestion: Use Chinese Model

[Schiaparelliorbust]

So <j> is /j/ and <i> is /i/ but <ai> is /aj/?
But why? Aren't they written their IPA character?

Suggestion: Use Chinese Model

I don't know when exactly we agreed on it but apparently we did. What is the Chinese model?

[fluffykitty]

One thing I was thinking of doing is handling conjunctions like "and" and "or" with something like "foo and bar" <foo X bar Y>, where X and Y are as-yet undecided words. I imagine that distinctions between conjunctions will be made more on the Ys than the Xs. What do you think?