Let's create a language!

[Schiaparelliorbust]

If the language had case affixes (like the <-(o)r> I proposed earlier), then nouns might get marked with two case affixes (case in the relative clause, and case in the main clause), eg "I saw the cat that ate my food" has "cat" as the object of the main clause but the subject of the relative clause. I think this could be confusing, especially with a more complex case system.

I see your point. I agree with having cases, but I don't know how to get around this problem. Maybe making a new suffix with the same meaning for a new case? That sounds too hard though. What do you propose?

[BokaBB]

My ones fit well.

that sounds highly biased

Please repost the spreadsheet,I want it to be closer.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1126530732

Just making spreadsheet closer.
We need to call something with bad taste noke.
Also,
Si - interesting,nice
I am on the spreadsheet, please visit me.
Who is Davis?
Does we have this and that?If not,then ent and abent.
Also,comparation:
Ngong rigen. - I shine.
Shyu rigenel. You are shiner.
Pvia rigenor. - He /she /it is the most shining.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

We need to call something with bad taste noke.

Agreed.

Who is Davis?

Saka

Does we have this and that?If not,then ent and abent.

You already posted <le> "this" and <able> "that". However, we could use the new set for determiners ("that book") and the old set for pronouns ("I like that").

Also,comparation:
Ngong rigen. - I shine.
Shyu rigenel. You are shiner.
Pvia rigenor. - He /she /it is the most shining.

If we implement my verb reform and vowel harmony, then the imperfective comparative participle would end in <-elel>/<-ilil>, which seems awkward. I can change the imperfective participle ending though. Other than that, this seems fine, but we still need mechanisms for "They are as tall as me" and "You're less tall than/not as tall as me".

[fluffykitty]

I've added a new subsheet with roots revised to fit my proposed phonology and phonotactics. There are apparently many more duplicates than I previously thought, many of which were duplicates even before the revision. There are also columns containing a variant of my system that closes most non-word-final syllables, which were generated by a buggy version of my program. I don't think using that system is a good idea, but I've left it on the sheet because it might be interesting.

[Moosey]

PACIFIKEO

oh also I abstain from making words until we discuss phonotactics

[fluffykitty]

I have already made multiple posts about that. If they continue to be ignored, I will assume that everyone agrees with my changes and apply them to the sheet. You have been warned.

[Moosey]

I have already made multiple posts about that. If they continue to be ignored, I will assume that everyone agrees with my changes and apply them to the sheet. You have been warned.

I'm good with your changes. Anyone disagree?

[BokaBB]

We need to call something with bad taste noke.

Agreed.

Who is Davis?

Saka

Does we have this and that?If not,then ent and abent.

You already posted <le> "this" and <able> "that". However, we could use the new set for determiners ("that book") and the old set for pronouns ("I like that").

Also,comparation:
Ngong rigen. - I shine.
Shyu rigenel. You are shiner.
Pvia rigenor. - He /she /it is the most shining.

If we implement my verb reform and vowel harmony, then the imperfective comparative participle would end in <-elel>/<-ilil>, which seems awkward. I can change the imperfective participle ending though. Other than that, this seems fine, but we still need mechanisms for "They are as tall as me" and "You're less tall than/not as tall as me".

Change it then.
I never agreed on your things,you know.
As the very beginning of the talks I ask you to change all the endings that I already made to my ones. My version will still be official unless I say so,these are just talks about the compromise.
Pes ret - here
Pes abret - there
Sol - big
Neg - small
Lak - equal
I want the language to be easy and will fight for that.
The sound of ch is Serbian Ч(I am from Serbia).
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I have already made multiple posts about that. If they continue to be ignored, I will assume that everyone agrees with my changes and apply them to the sheet. You have been warned.

I'm good with your changes. Anyone disagree?

I agree with fluffykitty's phonology (I'm only looking at the opinions page, is there anywhere else I should look at?), except for c. I think it should be /t̠ʃ/, but if no one likes that, then we can do /c/. I really don't want /ts/. I'd also like i to be /i/ always, but I don't want my opinion on i to slow things down. Allophones are completely fine by me too.

[BokaBB]

I have already made multiple posts about that. If they continue to be ignored, I will assume that everyone agrees with my changes and apply them to the sheet. You have been warned.

I'm good with your changes. Anyone disagree?

I agree with fluffykitty's phonology (I'm only looking at the opinions page, is there anywhere else I should look at?), except for c. I think it should be /t̠ʃ/, but if no one likes that, then we can do /c/. I really don't want /ts/. I'd also like i to be /i/ always, but I don't want my opinion on i to slow things down. Allophones are completely fine by me too.

I really want /ts/.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I really want /ts/.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

You had said you wanted c to be /c/ or /ts/. Can we please have it be /c/?

[fluffykitty]

...
If we implement my verb reform and vowel harmony, then the imperfective comparative participle would end in <-elel>/<-ilil>, which seems awkward. I can change the imperfective participle ending though. Other than that, this seems fine, but we still need mechanisms for "They are as tall as me" and "You're less tall than/not as tall as me".

Change it then.

Done.

I never agreed on your things,you know.
As the very beginning of the talks I ask you to change all the endings that I already made to my ones. My version will still be official unless I say so,these are just talks about the compromise.

We can overrule you. Also, I kept the <-eo> and <-en> endings, and the <-ao> ending is incompatible with the idea of my verb system (the final suffix should not indicate tense).

Pes ret - here
Pes abret - there
Sol - big
Neg - small
Lak - equal

Added, although I'm not sure how you would translate something like "We're stronger than you" using those words.

I want the language to be easy and will fight for that.

I think my verb system is fairly easy.

The sound of ch is Serbian Ч(I am from Serbia).

/ʈʂ/ according to Wikipedia. Comparison with the pages for /ts/, /tʃ/, and /c/ indicates that those sounds are much more common across languages than /ʈʂ/. Also, <ch> is generally agreed to be /x/, if anything. Did you mean <c>?

(I'm only looking at the opinions page, is there anywhere else I should look at?)

I've made a couple of posts about it here, but the only phonological information I can think of that's in those but not the "mess around here" sheet is the vowel harmony system, which I'm pretty sure you already know about.

I think it should be /t̠ʃ/, but if no one likes that, then we can do /c/.

I really want /ts/.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

You had said you wanted c to be /c/ or /ts/. Can we please have it be /c/?

I would prefer /ts/, but /tʃ/ and /c/ are also fine.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I would prefer /ts/, but /tʃ/ and /c/ are also fine.

Can I ask if there are any languages where c is /ts/?

[fluffykitty]

Can I ask if there are any languages where c is /ts/?

Many old Romance languages, when used before "i" or "e".

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Can I ask if there are any languages where c is /ts/?

Many old Romance languages, when used before "i" or "e".

If we want ch to be /x/, will we have /t̠ʃ/?

[BokaBB]

...
If we implement my verb reform and vowel harmony, then the imperfective comparative participle would end in <-elel>/<-ilil>, which seems awkward. I can change the imperfective participle ending though. Other than that, this seems fine, but we still need mechanisms for "They are as tall as me" and "You're less tall than/not as tall as me".

Change it then.

Done.

I never agreed on your things,you know.
As the very beginning of the talks I ask you to change all the endings that I already made to my ones. My version will still be official unless I say so,these are just talks about the compromise.

We can overrule you. Also, I kept the <-eo> and <-en> endings, and the <-ao> ending is incompatible with the idea of my verb system (the final suffix should not indicate tense).

Pes ret - here
Pes abret - there
Sol - big
Neg - small
Lak - equal

Added, although I'm not sure how you would translate something like "We're stronger than you" using those words.

I want the language to be easy and will fight for that.

I think my verb system is fairly easy.

The sound of ch is Serbian Ч(I am from Serbia).

/ʈʂ/ according to Wikipedia. Comparison with the pages for /ts/, /tʃ/, and /c/ indicates that those sounds are much more common across languages than /ʈʂ/. Also, <ch> is generally agreed to be /x/, if anything. Did you mean <c>?

(I'm only looking at the opinions page, is there anywhere else I should look at?)

I've made a couple of posts about it here, but the only phonological information I can think of that's in those but not the "mess around here" sheet is the vowel harmony system, which I'm pretty sure you already know about.

I think it should be /t̠ʃ/, but if no one likes that, then we can do /c/.

I really want /ts/.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

You had said you wanted c to be /c/ or /ts/. Can we please have it be /c/?

I would prefer /ts/, but /tʃ/ and /c/ are also fine.

Overrule?We should make compromise where everyone agrees and is happy. Peace,please!
I also prefer /ts/.
Sala aken begenel shyu.
Begeo -to be strong
Beg - strength
Bege - muscles
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Overrule?We should make compromise where everyone agrees and is happy. Peace,please!
I also prefer /ts/.
Sala aken begenel shyu.
Begeo -to be strong
Beg - strength
Bege - muscles
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I don't think bege should be muscles because -e mean a tool, but muscles aren't tools. Also, don't we have a word for "to be"? I can't look it up in the spreadsheet because there are too many words with "be" and it turns up 31 results.

[BokaBB]

Overrule?We should make compromise where everyone agrees and is happy. Peace,please!
I also prefer /ts/.
Sala aken begenel shyu.
Begeo -to be strong
Beg - strength
Bege - muscles
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I don't think bege should be muscles because -e mean a tool, but muscles aren't tools. Also, don't we have a word for "to be"? I can't look it up in the spreadsheet because there are too many words with "be" and it turns up 31 results.

Akeo - to be
-e can mean anything used for something,not just tools.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Akeo - to be
-e can mean anything used for something,not just tools.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Then I don't think begeo should be to be strong. Just use akeo. If we don't have a word for to open, then it will be turadeo, and key will be turade.

[BokaBB]

Akeo - to be
-e can mean anything used for something,not just tools.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Then I don't think begeo should be to be strong. Just use akeo. If we don't have a word for to open, then it will be turadeo, and key will be turade.

Your words are longer and inconsistent with my ones. Shorter,please!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Your words are longer and inconsistent with my ones. Shorter,please!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

This word is barely long at all. All languages have multi-syllable words. My words are normal.

[fluffykitty]

Added words posted in this thread, and the backformation <turad> "lock".

Then I don't think begeo should be to be strong. Just use akeo.

Many languages use constructions like that for sentences like "You are green".

This word is barely long at all. All languages have multi-syllable words. My words are normal.

Agreed. We should have more non-<CVCeo> verbs.

[BokaBB]

I would prefer /ts/, but /tʃ/ and /c/ are also fine.

Can I ask if there are any languages where c is /ts/?

Serbian.
fluffykitty, just muscle,you were dubious about that in the sheet. Also,lizni is dangerous instead of danger.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

A bunch of words that should make rare combinations and sounds not that rare.
Haceo - to lie
Hac - lie
Stal - mountain
Gestal - hill
Pvang - sand
Pvangap - desert
-ap - an area with some characteristic
Ap - area
(I feel like pv must have sound other than /pv/,I am open for change there)
Tilt - truth
Tilteo - to speak truth
Tarve - metal
Tarveo - to melt,to work with metal
Poh - jump
Poheo - to jump
Pohe - pogo
Krameo - to break
Krame - glass
Grel - pot, glass (as a glass of water)
Shyan - whistle,rustle
Shyaneo - to wristle,to rustle
This is not a protest,just an attempt to normalize alone combinations in the language. No more are allowed to be created.
fluffykitty, please don't speak like ,,We can overrule you.".I
don't like that.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

A bunch of words that should make rare combinations and sounds not that rare.

I don't think it's a good idea to introduce more unusual clusters.

Gestal - hill

I don't think it's a good idea to use the same prefix for "negation of" and "weaker version of". I propose <be-> for "weaker version of".

(I feel like pv must have sound other than /pv/,I am open for change there)

My translation script converts that to /p/, but /pw/ would also be compatible with my phonotactics.

fluffykitty, please don't speak like ,,We can overrule you.".I
don't like that.

You can't always get what you want.