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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:21 am
BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:17 am
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 10:14 am Ok, can we get started on designing the combustion CA?
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Yes, I saw that too. I will post there. I think the combustion CA should have heat.
Heat and energy are definitely needed if you ask me,altrough they shouldn't be like athoms.Heat and energy are needed in some reactions and they are often released or used too and they are needed because of that. I think the second edition is going to need nitrogen.
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BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 11:53 am Heat and energy are definitely needed if you ask me,altrough they shouldn't be like athoms.Heat and energy are needed in some reactions and they are often released or used too and they are needed because of that. I think the second edition is going to need nitrogen.
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I think heat should move through atoms by contact and through space by radiation. A certain temperature will be needed to start a certain reaction.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 11:59 am
BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 11:53 am Heat and energy are definitely needed if you ask me,altrough they shouldn't be like athoms.Heat and energy are needed in some reactions and they are often released or used too and they are needed because of that. I think the second edition is going to need nitrogen.
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I think heat should move through atoms by contact and through space by radiation. A certain temperature will be needed to start a certain reaction.
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BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 12:06 pm Yes!
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How should it spread by radiation? Maybe hotter atoms can release higher energy photons?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 12:13 pm
BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 12:06 pm Yes!
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How should it spread by radiation? Maybe hotter atoms can release higher energy photons?
Maybe something like that or something similar to your proposals in Building A Human Body. I am not sure but I think hotter things move faster.
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BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 12:20 pm Maybe something like that or something similar to your proposals in Building A Human Body. I am not sure but I think hotter things move faster.
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I don't think they should move faster. That would cause weird problems. Heat should only be a method a starting reactions.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 28th, 2020, 1:21 pm
BokaBB wrote: October 28th, 2020, 12:20 pm Maybe something like that or something similar to your proposals in Building A Human Body. I am not sure but I think hotter things move faster.
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I don't think they should move faster. That would cause weird problems. Heat should only be a method a starting reactions.
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A chemical CA involving heat will inevitably have WAYYYYY too many states. Imo keep it as simple as possible at least at first
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Re: Chemical CA

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Moosey wrote: October 28th, 2020, 7:23 pm A chemical CA involving heat will inevitably have WAYYYYY too many states. Imo keep it as simple as possible at least at first
I don't think that chemicals should react with every other chemical at all times though . If we want some elements to be less reactive than others, we could rephrase that as those elements need to be hot to react. Likewise, we can say that reactive elements don't need a lot of energy to react. I don't know how many states that will use, but I think it's worth a try. Maybe with the combustion CA we can not use it, because there's essentially only one type of reaction, but if we make it more complex we need heat.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 3:20 am
Moosey wrote: October 28th, 2020, 7:23 pm A chemical CA involving heat will inevitably have WAYYYYY too many states. Imo keep it as simple as possible at least at first
I don't think that chemicals should react with every other chemical at all times though . If we want some elements to be less reactive than others, we could rephrase that as those elements need to be hot to react. Likewise, we can say that reactive elements don't need a lot of energy to react. I don't know how many states that will use, but I think it's worth a try. Maybe with the combustion CA we can not use it, because there's essentially only one type of reaction, but if we make it more complex we need heat.
Keep things simple first. For example, first create a CA with two atoms and no bonds and no heat and no reactions. They just moves.
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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:10 am Keep things simple first. For example, first create a CA with two atoms and no bonds and no heat and no reactions. They just moves.
I think it should have bonds but no reactions. We could test how they should collide and bounce off each other.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:12 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:10 am Keep things simple first. For example, first create a CA with two atoms and no bonds and no heat and no reactions. They just moves.
I think it should have bonds but no reactions. We could test how they should collide and bounce off each other.
Simple first. We need to test how simple particles collide and bounce. Then complex "particles".
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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:19 am Simple first. We need to test how simple particles collide and bounce. Then complex "particles".
Fine, but then bonds. I think there should be different states for atoms travelling in different directions instead of there being a "tail" state. That would just make collisions hard because you have to do something with the tail too. It would also be bad for molecules.
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:23 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:19 am Simple first. We need to test how simple particles collide and bounce. Then complex "particles".
Fine, but then bonds. I think there should be different states for atoms travelling in different directions instead of there being a "tail" state. That would just make collisions hard because you have to do something with the tail too. It would also be bad for molecules.
Yes. Then what? I think we could use a model like Snakes (Rule Table Rule).
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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:51 am Yes. Then what? I think we could use a model like Snakes (Rule Table Rule).
The rule in the Golly rule table repository? I don't really know how it works. I just know that the snakes behave randomly.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:56 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:51 am Yes. Then what? I think we could use a model like Snakes (Rule Table Rule).
The rule in the Golly rule table repository? I don't really know how it works. I just know that the snakes behave randomly.
Randomly? There's no such thing called random (said Freywa). It's a pseudo random 1D CA.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:57 am Randomly? There's no such thing called random (said Freywa). It's a pseudo random 1D CA.
I know it's pseudorandom. What point are you trying to make?
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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:59 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 5:57 am Randomly? There's no such thing called random (said Freywa). It's a pseudo random 1D CA.
I know it's pseudorandom. What point are you trying to make?
I'm trying to emulate Freywa.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:32 am I'm trying to emulate Freywa.
What is Freywa?
Edit: I found a user named Freywa.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:33 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:32 am I'm trying to emulate Freywa.
What is Freywa?
Edit: I found a user named Freywa.
That's a CA meme. Freywa have absolutely no sense of humor.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:43 am That's a CA meme. Freywa have absolutely no sense of humor.
Sorry, I don't get it. Can we please go back on topic?
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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:45 am
Hunting wrote: October 29th, 2020, 6:43 am That's a CA meme. Freywa have absolutely no sense of humor.
Sorry, I don't get it. Can we please go back on topic?
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Re: Chemical CA

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BokaBB wrote: November 2nd, 2020, 7:03 am Yes,we can.
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Please don't post just to give an answer to a rhetorical question. What do you think atoms/molecules should do when they collide?
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Re: Chemical CA

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Schiaparelliorbust wrote: November 3rd, 2020, 2:40 am
BokaBB wrote: November 2nd, 2020, 7:03 am Yes,we can.
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Please don't post just to give an answer to a rhetorical question. What do you think atoms/molecules should do when they collide?
They should bounce off each other as of now, because there are no bonds.
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Re: Chemical CA

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Hunting wrote: November 4th, 2020, 1:01 am They should bounce off each other as of now, because there are no bonds.
What different types of atoms should there be?
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