Let's create a language!

[Moosey]

Ban from here.
I read Wikipedia to know the sounds.
I am the founder of this and have rights to incorporate some parts of my ideas even if they are a minority view.
I already said how everything should be read when I said that everything will be phonetical.
Now phonotactics.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

You do not have the right to ban anyone. If you don't like these ideas, I could create an offshoot of this thread (but I will not obstinate like you).

Agree. This is a collaborative language; BokaBB does not have the right to get what they want if most others disagree.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

You do not have the right to ban anyone. If you don't like these ideas, I could create an offshoot of this thread (but I will not obstinate like you).

Agree. This is a collaborative language; BokaBB does not have the right to get what they want if most others disagree.

Please vote on the sounds we talked about. Read the last page or two to know what to vote for.

[BokaBB]

Everyone,please sorry. I just wanted everything to be easier. I accept ee to be the other e.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Everyone,please sorry. I just wanted everything to be easier. I accept ee to be the other e.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Thanks! By "other e" do you mean /ɛ/?

[BokaBB]

Everyone,please sorry. I just wanted everything to be easier. I accept ee to be the other e.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Thanks! By "other e" do you mean /ɛ/?

Yes.
Please call Saka,Moosey and Hunting back.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Thanks! By "other e" do you mean /ɛ/?

Yes.
Please call Saka,Moosey and Hunting back.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

Ok, I'll send PMs to them.

[Saka]

Please, please fill out this spreadsheet so we can all see and know what is going on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... FW1zm/edit

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Please, please fill out this spreadsheet so we can all see and know what is going on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... FW1zm/edit

Ok, I will try to do it by the end of the day. Is there any way to make versions for each of us that everyone can edit by themselves? That way we can all have our ideas and suggestions.

[BokaBB]

Please, please fill out this spreadsheet so we can all see and know what is going on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... FW1zm/edit

Ok, I will try to do it by the end of the day. Is there any way to make versions for each of us that everyone can edit by themselves? That way we can all have our ideas and suggestions.

We can use the notebook.
Can we use my orthography in writing on paper,with the exception that the thing about other J is oriented to the bottom and not up?We can use simplified orthography here.
Someone,please study the Vietnamese phonology and alphabet,that language has lots of weird letters in one keyboard. We may use some.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

We can use the notebook.
Can we use my orthography in writing on paper,with the exception that the thing about other J is oriented to the bottom and not up?We can use simplified orthography here.
Someone,please study the Vietnamese phonology and alphabet,that language has lots of weird letters in one keyboard. We may use some.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

What j are you talking about? Also, I spent a few minutes trying to pronounce /æ/, /a/, /ä/, and /ɐ/, I think I can pronounce them well. The first two and the latter two sound similar, I think we should all try to pronounce them to see whether we can even hear the difference between them, not only pronounce them. I just want everyone to agree on what sound we are talking about. If we can't hear the difference or don't think it matters too much, we can reach an agreement quicker. What specifically about Vietnamese phonology is interesting?

[BokaBB]

We can use the notebook.
Can we use my orthography in writing on paper,with the exception that the thing about other J is oriented to the bottom and not up?We can use simplified orthography here.
Someone,please study the Vietnamese phonology and alphabet,that language has lots of weird letters in one keyboard. We may use some.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

What j are you talking about? Also, I spent a few minutes trying to pronounce /æ/, /a/, /ä/, and /ɐ/, I think I can pronounce them well. The first two and the latter two sound similar, I think we should all try to pronounce them to see whether we can even hear the difference between them, not only pronounce them. I just want everyone to agree on what sound we are talking about. If we can't hear the difference or don't think it matters too much, we can reach an agreement quicker. What specifically about Vietnamese phonology is interesting?

It is the alphabet that is interesting since it appears to have many weird letters in one keyboard. Please see if it has sounds that we use here,we may use some letters. If something is missing, just good old digraphs.
The thing above Ĵ should be oriented to the bottom when writing on paper.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

I really don't like articles. Fun fact:I know lots of English very well,but I don't know when exactly I should use the articles even today. I usually add them by feeling.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Hunting]

Please, please fill out this spreadsheet so we can all see and know what is going on
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... FW1zm/edit

Don't forget the Great Firewall of China...

[Hunting]

I know lots of English very well

Fun fact: The above sentence is self-contradictory.

[BokaBB]

I know lots of English very well

Fun fact: The above sentence is self-contradictory.

It isrelative.I know approximately when I should,but I don't know the exact rules.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[wwei23]

BokaBB. The principle of emergence is a powerful one, let it guide you. Let the language grow, not necessarily in the exact way that any one person wants it to do so. This rule has two oblique ships, but neither were found by design, and both were found by emergence.

Code: Select all

x = 6, y = 17, rule = B3-ceky4enrt5cjkn6aei7c/S2-kn3-eiy4aitw5an7e
b3o$o$2b2o$3o7$2b3o$3b2o$obob2o$3b3o$2o$bo$3bo!

[Schiaparelliorbust]

BokaBB. The principle of emergence is a powerful one, let it guide you. Let the language grow, not necessarily in the exact way that any one person wants it to do so. This rule has two oblique ships, but neither were found by design, and both were found by emergence.

Code: Select all

x = 6, y = 17, rule = B3-ceky4enrt5cjkn6aei7c/S2-kn3-eiy4aitw5an7e
b3o$o$2b2o$3o7$2b3o$3b2o$obob2o$3b3o$2o$bo$3bo!

I agree. Otherwise it would too artificial.

It is the alphabet that is interesting since it appears to have many weird letters in one keyboard. Please see if it has sounds that we use here,we may use some letters. If something is missing, just good old digraphs.
The thing above Ĵ should be oriented to the bottom when writing on paper.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I think it has too many diacritics for this language. Diacritics could also be hard to type, as I said before, though I do remember your suggestion for typing on phones. I will look at the sounds tomorrow.

[BokaBB]

BokaBB. The principle of emergence is a powerful one, let it guide you. Let the language grow, not necessarily in the exact way that any one person wants it to do so. This rule has two oblique ships, but neither were found by design, and both were found by emergence.

Code: Select all

x = 6, y = 17, rule = B3-ceky4enrt5cjkn6aei7c/S2-kn3-eiy4aitw5an7e
b3o$o$2b2o$3o7$2b3o$3b2o$obob2o$3b3o$2o$bo$3bo!

If you say so.
Have a good day!

BokaBB

[Hunting]

I still want e to be /ɛ/ and ee be /e/, not the reverse.

[wwei23]

My thoughts on this ee vs. e thing is that e going to /e/ might be more intuitive, because e would then basically go to itself.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I still want e to be /ɛ/ and ee be /e/, not the reverse.

My thoughts on this ee vs. e thing is that e going to /e/ might be more intuitive, because e would then basically go to itself.

I agree with Hunting, picking symbols for sounds just based on appearance is a bad idea. I have changed my mind on i though, I agree with BokaBB on it being /i/.
Edit: I am filling the vocabulary part of the spreadsheet, but I am omitting words that (to me) sound wrong.
Edit: I think we need to rethink our vocabulary. The words just sound too short and simple. I know BokaBB said that root words should be one syllable, but no language that I know of is like that. Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosyllabic_language

[BokaBB]

I still want e to be /ɛ/ and ee be /e/, not the reverse.

My thoughts on this ee vs. e thing is that e going to /e/ might be more intuitive, because e would then basically go to itself.

I agree with Hunting, picking symbols for sounds just based on appearance is a bad idea. I have changed my mind on i though, I agree with BokaBB on it being /i/.
Edit: I am filling the vocabulary part of the spreadsheet, but I am omitting words that (to me) sound wrong.
Edit: I think we need to rethink our vocabulary. The words just sound too short and simple. I know BokaBB said that root words should be one syllable, but no language that I know of is like that. Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosyllabic_language

I changed my mind. That is not nesecarry.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I agree with Hunting, picking symbols for sounds just based on appearance is a bad idea. I have changed my mind on i though, I agree with BokaBB on it being /i/.
Edit: I am filling the vocabulary part of the spreadsheet, but I am omitting words that (to me) sound wrong.
Edit: I think we need to rethink our vocabulary. The words just sound too short and simple. I know BokaBB said that root words should be one syllable, but no language that I know of is like that. Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosyllabic_language

I changed my mind. That is not nesecarry.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Thank you! I do agree with you that i should be /i/, though it seems like everyone (including me) wants e to be /ɛ/.

[BokaBB]

I think we are going to need a compomise for the sound of a.
Can it be /a/ at the beginning or at the end of the word or if it borders other vowels and the other a sound in the rest of cases?
I leave to you the compromise for e sound.
Are you hardcore and harsh?I invite you to participate in the game An Extremely Unfunny Game!
I will try to decrease my authority as a sorry to what I was doing. Please talk with me the same beautiful and friendly way as wwei23.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I think we are going to need a compomise for the sound of a.
Can it be /a/ at the beginning or at the end of the word or if it borders other vowels and the other a sound in the rest of cases?
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I was thinking it could be /a/ before non-plosive consonants. It should definitely be /ɐ/ in diphthongs though.